[TheBigApple]

I am considering getting a 12 inch powerbook for school, but after reading various reviews I wanted to clear some things up with you guys. Some reviews were also from 2003, and I wasn't sure if Apple had cleared anything up sense then.

1) I've heard the powerbook gets overheated alot. Is this just when charging, or when running multiple programs, or what?

2) I read that when placed on a desk the powerbook "wobbles" from side to side a little. Is this true? I was shocked to read that in a review becuase I'm sure Apple puts their stuff through a rigorous testing process, and something like this would have immediatley shown...

3) Any other gripes about the current 12 inch powerbook? Or maybe any good things about it?

Thanks in advance

[TheBigApple]

Not sure if this should be in Purchasing Advice or not....Move it if neccessary

[rollercoaster375]

I would recommend waiting until January to buy. MWSF should have some news.

[TheBigApple]

Ehhh...I was considering waiting, but the current powerbooks have such great specs that I think I'm going to go ahead and buy. I'm expecting MWSF to have iBook updates anway, not PB, but that's another thread ....

[screensaver400]

If an intel iBook is released, it will likely be faster than the current Powerbooks for most uses. However, professionals who use Photoshop all the time will still be better served by the older G4-based machines, until PS is made a Universal Binary.

For most people, the sort of Intel iBook expected at MWSF (see other threads) will be more than sufficient. I'll probably be selling my Rev. D 12" PB w/SD in favor of an iBook if one is released. I use Photoshop and the like, but I can deal with an extra 5 seconds for a filter if it means a system that is faster overall.

[BlueRabbit]

Yes, my 12" PB does get hot a bit easily. Usually only when running CPU-intensive stuff, though, such as gaming. During normal use, not too much.

As for the wobbling, it only wobbles if the table is uneven. The person who wrote the review you heard should get a better table.

Overall, I like it a lot. Nice and small, and the screen isn't too much of a problem because of cool stuff like Exposé.

[TheBigApple]

All these MWSF questions are driving me insane! Ahhhhhh

[TheBigApple]

Thanks Blue Rabbit. So only when the CPU is used alot does it get hot? Not for just one program? That makes sense...

And thanks for clearing up the "wobbling". I new Apple wouldn't let a thing like that past them!

[TheBigApple]

Do most all laptops get hot easily? My dad has a 17 inch windows running laptop and it gets really hot and I HATE it, it does of course run windows so that may be part of the reason.

How about for watching DVDs? Does it get hot then?

[turano]

Love my 12in PB runs a little hot during heavy processing, but i do a lot of video stuff on it great and portable. light fits in any case. lower the screen brightness and extend battery life significantly.

I might wait the additional 4 weeks to see what comes out, but thats just cause i already have my mac. Oh, runs on my 20in screen awesome.

turano

[rasmits]

1. Hot, kinda, but not "overheated". There is a difference. In my experience, the PowerBook doesn't get any hotter then other laptops I have used.

2. My PowerBook does wobble, but it never bothered me enough to do anything about it. You can just trim the non-skids on the bottom so they're even if you have the problem though.

[atomicbartbeans]

Sometimes the PowerBook feels pretty hot, but it is cooler on the inside than most other laptops. The reason? Aluminum is a great conductor of heat. It's better for the computer to be able to breathe than for it to be cool on the surface, but circuit-scorchingly hot inside.

[stevegong]

I would really wait till january if I were you. The current 12 inch (which is what I have) is really nothing to get excited about, especially the fact that it hasn't been updated since january.

[nato64]

mine wables a little bit... but that may be caused that my bag broke and it feel the third day i had it. the drop warped one of the edges in so that might have done it. never heard of it on another machine so maybe this one isn't my fault.

[Brad]

Mine wobbled until I ripped off one of the feet. Now it sits perfectly on practically any flat surface.

[Franz Josef]

1. Yes, a little hot (but not dangerously so) when running CPU intensive apps. Personally I've never found it a problem.
2. No, never, in my experience.
3. The 12" PowerBook is still a very good laptop and better than the 12" iBook, though in value terms, the price difference looks a bit hard to justify these days. As mentioned above, probably worth waiting until Jan before you buy, but bear in mind if it is a PowerBook, not an iBook you want, they may not be updated to Intel for a good number of months after the iBook. Also bear in mind that the 12" PB is rumored by some to be discontinued in the Intel line-up.

I particularly like the 12" PB because it is very light and portable.

[stevegong]

Originally Posted by Brad Mine wobbled until I ripped off one of the feet. Now it sits perfectly on practically any flat surface.

Dude, I can't believe you did this.

The wobble thing is a pretty common phenomenon, basically with heat and a bad surface, such as on your lap, the aluminium will warp.

The fix for this is to set the pb on the edge of a table and apply a little force to bend it back.

I'm serious, that's what the techs at apple do. That's what I've been doing. It doesn't damage the computer at all, just the al has a nature of bending, that's all.

[Luca]

Yet another recommendation to wait. The 12" PowerBook has undoubtedly the worst value of any Mac at the moment. Based on how it compares to the $999 iBook, it should only cost about $1200... and that's taking into account Apple's rather high prices. Unless it's urgent, I'd advise waiting until they get an update, since as stevegong points out, it's been a year since the 12" PowerBook has gotten any better. And even if you need a computer right now, I'd still suggest getting the 12" iBook because it's such a better deal than the PowerBook. $500 less and it's only barely less capable.

[TheBigApple]

Well I have considered the iBook, but I really want a SuperDrive in a 12 inch screen size laptop.

[TheBigApple]

Seriously, Stevegong, they just bend it? Wow?

Oh, another Q

What (edit) revision 12 inch pb is this (a,b,c,?). And if it is a later rev., have any improvements been made since the original introduciton?

[DMBand0026]

The fan doesn't turn on unless I'm rending video/applying photoshop filters...CPU intensive stuff. It's not overly warm.

No wobbling here. Never had a problem with that in the year and a half I've owned this thing.

I love my computer, but I'd recommend you wait until at least January if you don't need it today.

[DMBand0026]

Right now I believe it's rev. D, I have rev. C and I think only one more has come out since than. Since its inception they've added a lot of things, mostly under the hood. The biggest external change was the addition of Mini-DVI.

[psmith2.0]

BigApple, I highly recommend Mactracker, as an easy, quick way to help answer these types of questions!

It's a great app, totally free. Many here swear by it, and it's always my "go to" source to find out what came out, when it did and what it had.



But, to answer your question, according to Mactracker the 12" is on its Rev. D (the last entry for it was the January 2005, with SMS, 5400rpm hard drive, scrolling trackpad, etc.)

The software does include the October dual-layer SuperDrive and higher resolution display updates to the 15" and 17" models, but no mention of the 12" (since it didn't receive any love that day).

So the January 2005 12" PowerBook looks to be the fourth revision (D) since it was introduced in January 2003.

In any case, Mactracker goes into much more specifics (release, discontinue dates, features added, history of each model, general specs of that specific model, etc.).

Go get it...chances are, you'll get A LOT of your questions answered. A week doesn't go by that I don't launch it 1-2 times to check something, or satisfy my curiosity...

[chucker]

Originally Posted by TheBigApple What "revolution" 12 inch pb is this (a,b,c,?). And if it is a later rev., have any improvements been made since the original introduciton?

You mean "revision". The first 12-inch PowerBook was introduced January 08, 2003. September 16, it was first updated. Then April 19, 2004 and January 31, 2005. Finally, the 12-inch PowerBook hardly changed at all on October 19. So I'd say we're on Rev D. Or D.5, if you will. The default options changed in October; for example, a SuperDrive is now included rather than an option, and the 60 GB hard drive was replaced by an 80 GB one.

Really, what you're getting is a laptop that's virtually unchanged from late January, and even then, it wasn't much of a compelling option. It lacks widescreen (unlike the other PowerBooks), it lacks a high resolution (unlike the other PowerBooks), it lacks a decent graphics card (unlike even the $500 less iBook), it lets you install less, not more, RAM than the iBook for $500 less does, it doesn't have PCMCIA (unlike the other PowerBooks), nor FireWire 800 (unlike the other PowerBooks), etc. At least it has DVI and officially-supported spanning, and, well, a SuperDrive. It comes with one of the best laptop keyboards that exist, although it lacks illumination (unlike the other PowerBooks). It comes with Gigabit Ethernet, unlike the iBook. But are those features worth $500? I don't believe so.

[TheBigApple]

Thanks DMBand, I was starting to get a little worried!

Thanks guys for all of your advice, keep it coming! One thing that I have learned from my iMac G4 (bought 2.5 years ago) is that no matter what updates are released, I will still have a great product that I will love anyway. Granted, who doesn't want the latest stuff, but I think I will be happy either way.

And thanks pscates, I've downloaded Mactracker and I love it!

[TheBigApple]

Oh yes, I meant revision...sorry

[Satchmo]

Originally Posted by pscates2.0 BigApple, I highly recommend Mactracker, as an easy, quick way to help answer these types of questions!

Hey pscates, thanks for this app link. It's wonderful! It sure brings back many fond memories of our beloved Macintosh.

If anything, it really illustrates how far (and how long) it has taken for Apple to be where they are today. It also makes me realize how fanatical we Macheads are to have stuck in there.

[Luca]

Originally Posted by chucker It comes with Gigabit Ethernet, unlike the iBook.

Actually, it doesn't. Depressing, isn't it?

[chucker]

Originally Posted by Luca Actually, it doesn't. Depressing, isn't it?

I wasn't sure about that one, and obviously remembered it wrong. I'd call it "retardedly stupid" (even though AppleSpell inexplicably marks that as wrong) rather than depressing.

[BFG]

1) I've heard the powerbook gets overheated alot. Is this just when charging, or when running multiple programs, or what?

If you have it on your lap it gets hot, very hot. If you have it on a table top etc it gets hot yes but i wouldn't say that i could flip it over and cook my breakfast on it. it also gets icy cold when its asleep or turned off which i love though.

2) I read that when placed on a desk the powerbook "wobbles" from side to side a little. Is this true? I was shocked to read that in a review becuase I'm sure Apple puts their stuff through a rigorous testing process, and something like this would have immediatley shown...

I thought it was just me!! Yeah on a flat table etc mine does indeed have a rather nasty wobble... but i can't remember if it did when i first got it (there was a nasty accident where the powerbook took a bit of a knocking and needed some emergency repairs and a little bit of body work adjustment!!

3) Any other gripes about the current 12 inch powerbook? Or maybe any good things about it?

Not really - it does exactly what i initially asked it to do. - be a very small and portable laptop that i could take to and around Uni running word etc, use for email and web browsing, and to log and digitise video footage. (ok the last one wasn't so ideal but when your out shooting its great to have such a small laptop)

Then again id suggest you don't go for anything til post January - you might find you can get a very nice ibook that will do just what you want