View Full Version : Please Apple Help us with Digidesign...there killing us with there prices !
carygrant
2004-07-23, 02:28
Really, every so often they want so much more money....
DMBand0026
2004-07-23, 02:39
What exactly do they charge more for?
NosferaDrew
2004-07-24, 00:54
Hardware.
Whenever the next generation hardware/software for Pro Tools comes out, it's pretty much like buying your system all over again. Sure, you get more capability and functionality, but it gets damn expensive.
Luckily, my boss is a complete gear freak and spends the companys' money as fast as new products are available.
The smaller, independant guy has a much tougher time keeping up with the new stuff.
UberDuck
2004-07-26, 16:27
Gawd this kind of whining is tiresome...
Please choose one and act upon it:
a) find a less expensive hobby
b) learn how to get the most out of what you have before crying about needing more new/upgraded stuff
c) wise up and make upgrades part of your business plan
d) go back to being a hobbyist if you can't make a living with the gear
e) post at gearslumz or blosoundweb, not here, if you want to find other whiners
UD
NosferaDrew
2004-07-26, 19:29
First off, who the fuck is whining.
Second, nice first post. We welcome attitudes around here. :rolleyes:
I also think that protools is way over priced, but there is nothing Apple can or should do about it.
If you don't like the cost of Pro Tools use Logic, or DP, or Live, or Cuebase SX -- There are a lot of choices out there for pro audio right now.
I really like DP - but I'm not running it yet. I've been told a G4550Ti is not the right beast to house the software on. :(
I think I'll have to wait to upgrade my computer before I fully invest in that s/ware ... as a hobbyist. (I hope MOTU are still around and manage to beef up the performance of DP in the meantime though! ;) )
UberDuck
2004-07-27, 07:37
In a forum where people gather to discuss (and with some regularity defend) a computer platform for which a premium is paid for design, ease of use, and efficiency, it's funny that there would be resistance to paying for the same when offered by Digi.
You can still trade an AudioMedia III card in towards an 002 system, receiving credit for the list price of AM III against the list price of an 002. Who else gives you something for trading in a many years old, unsupported piece of lower end hardware?
As for whining, the title might well qualify.
Digi has had their gaffs, but over the long haul they've delivered.
Many folks ride the upgrade roller coaster by carefully skipping generations of hardware; both Digi's and Apple's. Between the Mbox and an HD Accel|192 there are lots of options for choosing your poison.
UD
What does this have anything to do with speculation? Moving to Third-Party Products.
You people need to learn how to use variations of simple words properly too. In the thread title, the first "there" is supposed to be a contraction of "they are". Ergo, you would use "they're" as the proper form of the word. Likewise at the end, when you're talking about someone's property, in this case digidesign's, you are showing possessiveness, and we indicate that with the word, "their". I realise the poster had a roughly sixty-six percent chance at getting at least one of them right, but instead borked both of them.
It's really pretty simple, guys. I think we learned all of this in third grade. I've seen these mistakes in college and high school papers before, and that is totally unacceptable and they are not marked down nearly enough for it.
You people need to learn how to use variations of simple words properly too. In the thread title, the first "there" is supposed to be a contraction of "they are". Ergo, you would use "they're" as the proper form of the word. Likewise at the end, when you're talking about someone's property, in this case digidesign's, you are showing possessiveness, and we indicate that with the word, "their". I realise the poster had a roughly sixty-six percent chance at getting at least one of them right, but instead borked both of them.
It's really pretty simple, guys. I think we learned all of this in third grade. I've seen these mistakes in college and high school papers before, and that is totally unacceptable and they are not marked down nearly enough for it.
The man said to his wife:
Its how you except the words they are elude to. Allot of the time adolescents don't pay attention to their excess to knowledge in school and have problems deer ;)
If you were in my English class I would so ask you to leave on the first day and never bother coming back. :)
Hmm, I'm not exactly sure what were are talking about here. Can someone give me the full name of the software/hardware in question so I can do some research?
Scratch that... just looked up Digidesign. Thanks anyway.
In a forum where people gather to discuss (and with some regularity defend) a computer platform for which a premium is paid for design, ease of use, and efficiency, it's funny that there would be resistance to paying for the same when offered by Digi.
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Many folks ride the upgrade roller coaster by carefully skipping generations of hardware; both Digi's and Apple's. Between the Mbox and an HD Accel|192 there are lots of options for choosing your poison.
UD
Although most of the people gathered in this forum love Macs, a lot of them complain about the high cost and/or low performance of Apple products. You see people lamenting the price of Digidsign's hardware in Pro Tools forums, why would you not expect to see complaints about its cost in a general Mac forum?
Pro Tools had its time in the sun, but nowadays there are other options that make more sense for most people and budgets.
Pro Tools HD starts around $10,000 (and quickly goes up from there). For my $10,000 I would much rather have a Metric Halo 2882 and Logic pro (about $2000) and $8000 worth of mics, effects, plug ins and other goodies.
Pro Tools LE with an Mbox is just way too limiting.
Pro Tools LE with a Digi 002 (or Digi 002 rack) is ok, but there are much better interfaces out there, and you are stuck with limitations of Pro Tools LE.
I think that Digidesign is coasting along on it past glory, and if Pro Tools was not already a "standared" it would not do well in the current market place (at least not at these exorbitant prices).
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You people need to learn how to use variations of simple words properly too. In the thread title, the first "there" is supposed to be a contraction of "they are". Ergo, you would use "they're" as the proper form of the word. Likewise at the end, when you're talking about someone's property, in this case digidesign's, you are showing possessiveness, and we indicate that with the word, "their". I realise the poster had a roughly sixty-six percent chance at getting at least one of them right, but instead borked both of them. :lol:*
It's really pretty simple, guys. I think we learned all of this in third grade. I've seen these mistakes in college and high school papers before, and that is totally unacceptable and they are not marked down nearly enough for it.Great post LoCash - it irked me too... but I don't have the power to change it. Do mods? If so, go for it - please!
* red color and smilie added by me
hmurchison
2004-07-28, 03:15
Digi has really dropped the ball on Protools code. It flat out is sucks regarding optimizations. A dual 2 Ghz will struggle to hit 32 native tracks. Throw Logic on and it'll crank out 50+ tracks. Digi doesn't really have much of an incentive to make native PTLE fast. They want people to jump up to the HD systems.
Apple needs a two pronged approach here. Ship Logic 7 and optimize the hell out of it. Then create another app aimed out post production and strong in audio editing. Then plan on converging the code base of Logic and this new PP DAW over the next 3 generations. Thus in 4 years you have one Uber app that handles midi and audio editing like a champ.
Digi can have the high end..Apple doesn't care about that. They'd be happy to peacefully co-exist selling their Pro apps to those that want them and supporting 3rd party hardware(low risk and cheap)
Nuendo 2.0 (http://www.steinberg.net/ProductPage_sb.asp?Product_ID=2024&Langue_ID=7) is a very cool chunk of code, and it works with just about everything.
I think that Digidesign is coasting along on it past glory, and if Pro Tools was not already a "standared" it would not do well in the current market place (at least not at these exorbitant prices). That is exactly the sentiment expressed to me by several friends of mine who have to use this stuff day in and day out.
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