View Full Version : Leopard: What will it do? (wish list, speculation)
World Leader Pretend
2006-02-12, 12:58
This thread is to discuss the possibilities and the additions that Mac OS 10.5 (aka Leopard) will have. Of course, most of this is speculation, but what will you want it to do?
I want to see everything that Tiger has and:
Software:
+Front Row 2.0
+Spotlight 2.0
+A DVD ripping suite
+Very fast performance (duh!)
+More Disk Utility options
+3D GUI Finder (see below)
GUI
+A 3D user interface, where your files and programs are "floating" in the background for you to see and interact with. It would be easier than clicking through multiple User>Library>iPhoto>Pictures>1025452 to get a specific picture if you could just see a thumbnail floating in a web that branches from a specific folder or sub-folder. Of course, you could turn this feature off for a simpler look.
+Smart Folders that are easy to work with and are useful to everyone.
+Expose on steroids, where you can pick apart elements of open windows and tile them across your screen, so if you have a webpage with Text, Pictures and a Movie, you can select each different element and arrange them separately across the screen so selecting and copying just the picture is easy and looks good.
+A mode where the screen will go blank and become a very simple "clipboard" so you can arrange and view pictures like they were laying on a table. It would have some basic editing tools, as well as the ability to move and re-size the pictures anyway you want to. This feature would be handy for those people (like me) who take lots of screenshots to the desktop. It could show up much like the "Dashboard" does now, just floating over the rest of the screen and not interfering with whatever else is going on.
+Dashboard that allows for multiple "screens" of widgets, faster loading performance
General
+Smaller Footprint (under 10GB)
+Lots of optional installs and developer tools
+Support for .11n wireless networking
...and of course, do it in a way that puts Vista to shame!
Let's just settle for resolution independent GUI. 3D will just bog down old G4's and take G3's to the floor for no practical purpose.
Vista is just fluffing at us.
Dave Hagan
2006-02-12, 13:12
I think we can anticipate the 3D aspect of Leopard just from the way we interact with widgets in Dashboard. You know when you click on the "i" they flip over. I would think a similar implementation of that concept could be expected in the Finder and other apps like iLife.
Perhaps Apple should buy PathFinder. Apple needs to make the Finder much much more docile than it is now. I think it should have Safari web browsing built-in to the Finder. And be able to do more with the Finder.
Firstly, I want Apple to FtFF, and to try to make everything that already exists better. Then, they can focus on new features. As always, I think they will make something no-one thought they'd make. And which everyone then will need.
Software:
+Front Row 2.0
+Spotlight 2.0
Elaborate on the two. I could put "Address Book 5.0, TextEdit 2.0, Safari 3.0" but it wouldn't have much of a meaning at all. If, however, I were to state "Safari 3.0 with SVG support", that would be a different story.
+A DVD ripping suite
DVD ripping? In most cases, that's not even legal. I don't think Apple would want to go down that grey line. As for a movie collection app akin iTunes, however, I'd love for it to happen.
+Very fast performance (duh!)
It already has that. I've found Mac OS X to be a highly efficient OS. It uses a lot of RAM, sure, but it makes good use of it.
+More Disk Utility options
Such as? It would be nice to have more partitioning flexibility, but other than that, I cannot think of much.
+3D GUI Finder (see below)
Please, no pseudo-3D UIs.
+A 3D user interface, where your files and programs are "floating" in the background for you to see and interact with. It would be easier than clicking through multiple User>Library>iPhoto>Pictures>1025452 to get a specific picture if you could just see a thumbnail floating in a web that branches from a specific folder or sub-folder. Of course, you could turn this feature off for a simpler look.
Has been done to death. There's an app on MacUpdate that you can do that with. It's not practical at all, unless you go and buy one of those concept 3D screens. Your screen is 2D and your input devices are 2D; why would the presented UI be 3D? It's not intuitive, it adds unnecessary complexity and it's really only "cool" unless you try and use it for extended periods of time.
+Smart Folders that are easy to work with and are useful to everyone.
Again: a little more detail would be useful. Smart Folders are quite easy to work with right now, if you ask me. What do you find lacking? Where do you see possible improvements? I'm not saying they're perfect, but since you're opening a thread, you should be more clear in your ideas rather than just putting "this should be better". :)
+Smaller Footprint (under 10GB)
You can't ask for new features and then want less footprint. ;) Since you state "10 GB", I presume you mean hard drive space, not RAM. A normal installation currently takes up about 4 GB, not 10.
+Lots of optional installs and developer tools
Such as?
+Support for .11n wireless networking
Not standardized yet. Two competing, entirely incompatible techniques.
try to make everything that already exists better
That's a great suggestion. ;)
I think we can anticipate the 3D aspect of Leopard just from the way we interact with widgets in Dashboard. You know when you click on the "i" they flip over. I would think a similar implementation of that concept could be expected in the Finder and other apps like iLife.
I agree that if there is any implementation at all it will be very simple and not some kind of revolution. The fact is that there isn't demand for a 3D interface in personal computers, so one doesn't exist (ie. we don't need one - yet - so one doesn't exist). When 3D becomes a necessity we will see it. You could certainly argue that our current hardware - particularly input devices - are completely unsuited to any kind of major 3D interactive visualisation. It is worth noting just how many adults can't cope with videogames on any level at all - my own parents just have no 3D visual awareness, they simply cannot visualise themselves within a 3D world. A video game like Civilisation (effectively, 2D), they can do, but something like GoldenEye (first person 3D) they really struggle with.
+A DVD ripping suite
No way. "DVD ripping" of commercial titles is illegal in the USA and many other countries. Plain and simple. Apple isn't going to touch this one.
+More Disk Utility options
Such as? The only thing I can think of that it's missing it the ability to alter partitions without reformatting.
+3D GUI Finder
I've worked with several pseudo-3D filesystem and they have all been cumbersome, cluttered, and slow to use. As long as we have actual two-dimensional displays and two-dimensional inputs, 2D UIs will rule the market.
I do think Dave Hagan has the right idea, though. The trend to add subtle, 3D-like or "2.5D" effects will probably continue, but I doubt it will take any major precedence over the generally flat interface.
+Smart Folders that are easy to work with and are useful to everyone.
The current UI for Smart Folders is indeed terrible and needs a major overhaul in general. Are there any other features you are thinking of, though?
+Expose on steroids, where you can pick apart elements of open windows and tile them across your screen, so if you have a webpage with Text, Pictures and a Movie, you can select each different element and arrange them separately across the screen so selecting and copying just the picture is easy and looks good.
This sounds kind of cool, but I don't see any practical application for it. Exposé was created to solve a problem: we have too many windows and it's difficult to dig out the one you need from a pile of others. What problem or need does this address? Who would use this? How could such a system decide consistently to break apart different documents?
+A mode where the screen will go blank and become a very simple "clipboard" so you can arrange and view pictures like they were laying on a table. It would have some basic editing tools, as well as the ability to move and re-size the pictures anyway you want to. This feature would be handy for those people (like me) who take lots of screenshots to the desktop. It could show up much like the "Dashboard" does now, just floating over the rest of the screen and not interfering with whatever else is going on.
This sounds interesting too, but it would be better off as a separate productivity application. It sounds like of like Motion for images.
+Dashboard that allows for multiple "screens" of widgets, faster loading performanceDashboard already allows you to have multiple instances of any widget. How is this any different?
+Smaller Footprint (under 10GB)With added features? Yeah right. :p
+Lots of optional installs and developer toolsI'll admit that the OS installer used to be pretty anemic, but with 10.4 Apple did a good job of making all the additional applications and such optional. Is there any specific change you'd like to see?
What's missing from the developer tools?
+Support for .11n wireless networkingThis is not so much an OS issue as it is a hardware one. We need to see the 802.11n standard be finished (or closer to it) first.
edit: dagnabit! I thought you were gone, chucker! ;) I step away for a few minute to make a sandwich and... pfft.
The current UI for Smart Folders is indeed terrible and needs a major overhaul in general. Are there any other features you are thinking of, though?
I'd be interested in how you would re-implement this if you had the chance to.
Dashboard already allows you to have multiple instances of any widget. How is this any different?
I'm pretty sure he was talking about multiple sets of widgets. Kind of like having multiple Docks. A "home" set of widgets (weather, TV shows, etc.) vs. a "work" (calendar, address book, conversions, etc.) one, for instance.
edit: dagnabit! I thought you were gone, chucker! ;) I step away for a few minute to make a sandwich and... pfft.
I only came back yesterday or so; I was asked to. Sorry, man. :)
+A mode where the screen will go blank and become a very simple "clipboard" so you can arrange and view pictures like they were laying on a table. It would have some basic editing tools, as well as the ability to move and re-size the pictures anyway you want to. This feature would be handy for those people (like me) who take lots of screenshots to the desktop. It could show up much like the "Dashboard" does now, just floating over the rest of the screen and not interfering with whatever else is going on.
I'm not sure if you've seen this but it's been doing the rounds. The movie on this site shows a new touch screen type of interface and a minute or so in it shows a photo manipulation/management type app that looks VERY neat. One of the first times I've seen a touch screen interface and thought that it was worthwhile.
http://mrl.nyu.edu/~jhan/ftirtouch/
That's a great suggestion. ;)
Hey! I was just stopping by to make a short post. You can't always get into the details. ;)
On the subject of the Finder interface, I think the idea of a 3D-interface is good, but not yet feasible. As others here have pointed out, with input and output interfaces being 2D, making the process in between 3D just overcomplicates things. :err:
Instead, I think we need to think in another way, outside the box. The interface is supposed to be made for the user, the user shouldn't have to adapt to the interface. To make it as easy to use for the user as possible, we need to have the user connect to the real world, and still make use of the possibilities the virtual world gives us. :)
That's why I hope Apple makes good use of the touch interface, and takes it to the next level. A computer should be useable for someone who hasn't ever seen one. The system with files and folders was the best one when the GUI was first introduced (was it Apple that did it first?), but now we have a different situation and much more advanced technology.
Maybe it's time for something else than our good ol' keyboard and mouse?:smokey:
Gargoyle
2006-02-12, 14:06
Windows with inertia.
I'd be interested in how you would re-implement this if you had the chance to.
I don't know that I'd re-implement it entirely as much as "fix" a bunch of problems, some of which stem from the UI-duality of the Finder, some from its broken accessibility options, some from its assumptions about default criteria, and some from the inability to use the "OR" operator. Siracusa demoed some of his problems here (http://media.arstechnica.com/images/tiger/finder-smart-folder.mov).
I'm pretty sure he was talking about multiple sets of widgets. Kind of like having multiple Docks. A "home" set of widgets (weather, TV shows, etc.) vs. a "work" (calendar, address book, conversions, etc.) one, for instance.Ah! Okay, I didn't get that.
I only came back yesterday or so; I was asked to. Sorry, man. :)
Well, I for one am glad to have you back so soon. :)
I'm pretty sure he was talking about multiple sets of widgets. Kind of like having multiple Docks. A "home" set of widgets (weather, TV shows, etc.) vs. a "work" (calendar, address book, conversions, etc.) one, for instance.
Yeah, a kind of desktop switcher. That's something I'd like to be implemented into the whole system and especially by a company like Apple. (It's already been implemented into KDE for example, but not at the level I'd like to have it made, and not with all the features it could make possible. I don't want to dig into that right now, maybe later.) It's also something that has been rumored to come as a feature in Leopard.
I'm not sure if you've seen this but it's been doing the rounds. The movie on this site shows a new touch screen type of interface and a minute or so in it shows a photo manipulation/management type app that looks VERY neat. One of the first times I've seen a touch screen interface and thought that it was worthwhile.
http://mrl.nyu.edu/~jhan/ftirtouch/
I should have posted that link. That's what I was talking about.
3D interfaces are a waste of time, and will never be feasible. This is not due to technical limitations, but perceptual ones. We don't really see the world in 3D, we only have a bit of added depth to our vision. Knowing what is where in 3D space is extremely hard, and few people can do it properly. One example are those tests where you have to rotate a 3D object in your head and figure out which out of a few choice it ends up as. Few people get that right.
And then, there's occlusion. Hanging stuff into thin air is all good and well until you get so many things that you can't see them all any more. Then it gets difficult to remember what you put where, and navigation in 3D is a big pain, even if you constrain it.
There are studies where people experimented with 2.5D and 3D interfaces both on computers and in real-world mock-ups (they put little pieces of paper into a 3D chicken wire contraption). It turned out that the 2.5D worked much better, but was still worse than 2D.
A 2D interface with fast scrolling and zooming, and focus+context distortion (like the dock) seems a much better choice. It retains the very useful 2D layout, but gives you fast access to details where you want them.
I don't know that I'd re-implement it entirely as much as "fix" a bunch of problems, some of which stem from the UI-duality of the Finder, some from its broken accessibility options, some from its assumptions about default criteria, and some from the inability to use the "OR" operator. Siracusa demoed some of his problems here (http://media.arstechnica.com/images/tiger/finder-smart-folder.mov).
Yeah, I've read the Siracusa Tiger report. I don't agree with all of his assertions. Let's not turn this thread into another "How to FTFF" though.
It would definitely be beneficial to have a transparent operator-enabled search UI, e.g. being able to use "OR" queries, group various queries together with parentheses, etc. Not just in the Finder, but elsewhere as well. Spotlight internally can do it; now we need a UI for that.
Well, I for one am glad to have you back so soon. :)
Thanks :) I'm surprised that I've been warmly welcomed by some. Not sure if I shall stay, though. ;)
In that particular case they had the documents organised as "cards" of equal size, that were sitting on a "3D" desktop that extended into the screen. But instead of lying on the desk, they were standing there upright. So you could arrange them by depth, but really only in two dimensions.
And to add something to the depth perception thing: another study on shape perception showed that if you haven't seen an object before, guessing its extent in the dimension pointing away from you is extremely error-prone, even if there would be enough depth cues. We are just so used to knowing our 3D environment well from walking around in it. Once you get into an environment that is completely unfamiliar (like any virtual 3D space will be), navigation is much, much harder.
What defines 2.5D?
There's no official definition to it, and it can mean multiple things. Wikipedia gives (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2.5D) various examples. For the purposes of this discussion, I'd define it as "trying to simulate 3D-like behaviour of objects and interaction with them on a 2D space".
Output devices, specifically screens and printers, we use are still all 2D (3D monitor prototypes have existed for a while but won't become useful any time soon, if ever), as are input devices (mice and keyboards).
There's some exceptions: a graphics tablet pen, for instance, can have 3D-like properties through its pressure (you could simulate "altitude" or "height" with that).
For all intents and purposes, you use a 2D input device to interact with a 2D output device. An increasing number of UI elements visible on that output device do, however, try and give you a 3D "feeling". Looking at the OS X GUI, these immediately come to mind: 1) the shadow underneath windows, menus and UI elements (such as buttons) as well as the cursor and 2) the three-dimensional / pseudo-photographic icon design (usually again with a drop shadow). There's also some less obvious things. Some UI elements have lighting applied (the title bar widgets — close, minimize, zoom, show/hide toolbar — come to mind), making them look plastic.
Then there's some "eye candy" effects used by Apple. The cube, for example, when switching users, when importing photos in Image Capture or when used in Keynote transitions. The Dock genie and suck effects. The fact that windows are layered on top of each other (i.e., multiple virtual layers are created, so we'd have multiple 2D "planes").
Thanks :) I'm surprised that I've been warmly welcomed by some. Not sure if I shall stay, though. ;)
Curious as to why you left in the first place?
....Still we're glad to have you back :)
faramirtook
2006-02-12, 15:14
Native Virtual Desktops, as in all of the various Linux desktops. It needn't be on by default, but the third-party apps are less than perfect.
Curious as to why you left in the first place?
....Still we're glad to have you back :)
Two negative reputation points, various negative replies, and the realization that I was compensating my empty, meaningless life with increasingly opinionated forum posts.
But mostly, I felt that I should start therapy first before having too much human contact. That feeling, however, was wrong. I'm not trying to be mysterious or anything, and I genuinely appreciate your concern :) but I just don't think this kind of discussion should take over an otherwise fine Leopard thread.
I suppose if it's wanted, I can always talk a little about it on AppleOutsider or something. Otherwise, I can point you to my blog's 'Me' (http://chucker.mystfans.com/category/me/) category, where a little bit of browsing will give you a few clues as to what is "wrong" with me.
Cheers!
World Leader Pretend
2006-02-12, 15:23
Elaborate on the two. I could put "Address Book 5.0, TextEdit 2.0, Safari 3.0" but it wouldn't have much of a meaning at all. If, however, I were to state "Safari 3.0 with SVG support", that would be a different story.
Ok : FrontRow 2.0- Faster, stable performance; Added features; more options to customize theme (so you can add custom backgrounds, etc instead of the blackground with those drop-shadows.
Spotlight 2.0- not much new, more stable and useful performance in the Finder window, perhaps something about it that acts like LaunchBar to open websites and programs quickly.
It already has that. I've found Mac OS X to be a highly efficient OS. It uses a lot of RAM, sure, but it makes good use of it.
Yes, OS X is a very fast OS, but I have 756MB RAM and it is almost used up in normal activities. I just want the normal tweaks to make it less resource-hungry.
You can't ask for new features and then want less footprint. ;) Since you state "10 GB", I presume you mean hard drive space, not RAM. A normal installation currently takes up about 4 GB, not 10.
Again just tighten the code and perhaps add more upgrade options (I never saw an "archive and install" option when I upgraded to Tiger, even though it is there) Mainly just keep everything on a single-layer DVD. :)
About the DVD ripping, I have an open-source program called Handbrake, is it illegal? :confused:
Ok, the 3D GUI was a stretch, and I admit that even I am not sure how it would work in a way that would be more efficient than the current setup. That said I would still like to see a view option in the Finder that allows you to see files and folders in a 2.5D tree layout, so you can get a sense for where your iPhoto library is located on your disk (for instance).
Also I want to see lots of support for touch-screen tech, since I think that is the tech of the future! :eek:
Do you think that Leopard is going to be much different than Tiger?
Two negative reputation points
Ahhh...screw reputation points. Honestly they should be disabled completely from the forum...they have no task but showing how much of the forum likes you.
Near the top of my (long) list of desired Leopard improvements are some MAJOR speed improvements for Safari and the Widgets. The widgets take WAY too long to update themselves. Safari is also fairly slow. For example, go to a certain page, scroll 1/2 way down and click a link on that page to go to another page. Now, press the back button to go back to your previous page and see how long it takes Safari to load the previous page at the place you were at when you clicked the link (1/2 way down). It takes several seconds. And these speed problems are coming from a user on a 1.67 Ghz Powerbook w/ 1.5 GB of RAM and a T3 connection speed. This is a problem.
In that particular case they had the documents organised as "cards" of equal size, that were sitting on a "3D" desktop that extended into the screen. But instead of lying on the desk, they were standing there upright. So you could arrange them by depth, but really only in two dimensions.
And to add something to the depth perception thing: another study on shape perception showed that if you haven't seen an object before, guessing its extent in the dimension pointing away from you is extremely error-prone, even if there would be enough depth cues. We are just so used to knowing our 3D environment well from walking around in it. Once you get into an environment that is completely unfamiliar (like any virtual 3D space will be), navigation is much, much harder.
That's why we should wait until there are 3D touch-screens?;)
About the DVD ripping, I have an open-source program called Handbrake, is it illegal?
Depends on where you live. If you live in the US, the answer is yes.
About the DVD ripping, I have an open-source program called Handbrake, is it illegal? :confused: If you live in the USA or a country that has strong trade ties with the USA, the answer is yes. Circumventing the CSS encryption scheme of commercial DVDs is a violation of the DMCA.
World Leader Pretend
2006-02-12, 15:38
So it's illegal even if I own the DVD and rip it to my computer for the sole purpose of watching it on a trip without having to bring the DVD?
Ok : FrontRow 2.0- Faster, stable performance; Added features; more options to customize theme (so you can add custom backgrounds, etc instead of the blackground with those drop-shadows.
Sure enough, but what features specifically. ;) For example: the ability to watch TV?
Spotlight 2.0- not much new, more stable and useful performance in the Finder window, perhaps something about it that acts like LaunchBar to open websites and programs quickly.
Spotlight is often confused with a launcher, which it is not; I wouldn't mind seeing Apple create a launcher (aside from the Dock), but I don't think it's gonna happen.
Yes, OS X is a very fast OS, but I have 756MB RAM and it is almost used up in normal activities. I just want the normal tweaks to make it less resource-hungry.
Used RAM is good RAM. Free RAM is wasted RAM. "All RAM is being used" is not a useful metric to determine resource-hungriness .
About the DVD ripping, I have an open-source program called Handbrake, is it illegal? :confused:
Decrypting the copy protection, if it exists to begin with, is illegal in many countries, such as the US and Germany.
Do you think that Leopard is going to be much different than Tiger?
It is reasonable to assume that it will bring the same evolutionary changes to Mac OS X that Jaguar, Panther and Tiger did. Nothing revolutionary, nothing shocking, but something useful. Just as previously, it will be heavily debated whether the update is truly worth $129. :)
Ahhh...screw reputation points. Honestly they should be disabled completely from the forum...they have no task but showing how much of the forum likes you.
Well, up until that point, I had received many, many positive reputation points. A few neutral ones, but only a single negative one, from someone who's been banned multiple times anyway. So yeah, it did kind of make an impact.
So it's illegal even if I own the DVD and rip it to my computer for the sole purpose of watching it on a trip without having to bring the DVD?
Sadly, yes. Provided the DVD has copy protection, which almost all commercial ones do, yes, it is illegal.
What about this (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/02/20060212164115.shtml)?
Apple is looking for an interface designer. Do you think they'll be able to update the interface in Leopard a lot if they employ one now? Or is it something for 10.6 as well (as the Finder developer)?
I'd be very glad if they only previewed the new technologies in Leopard, and not the interface. 'Cause if they do, Microsoft will do an even bigger rip-off in Vista. And then, a few weeks before Vista's release, they'll release Leopard and take the world by surprise.
Maybe?:o :D
BlueRabbit
2006-02-12, 15:59
A couple things that came to mind for me:
Spring-loaded Dock folders
System interface sounds (like in the Aperture movies on Apple's site) :)
Real FTP in the Finder
A more versatile version of Automator (i.e. more useful actions)
Front Row for everyone (i.e. it's bundled with the OS, and if you don't have a remote you can use the keyboard or a remote + universal dock)
Something really new and cool, that none of us are expecting
More rumors (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/02/20060212165558.shtml). (Should i really post this here?)
Now Apple is looking for someone to design/develop a gesture/handwriting interface for Mac OS X.
I hope this is about the multi-touch technology. It would be great if Apple could come out with some kind of touchscreen computer next year (this year seem a little bit too optimistic).
(Should i really post this here?)
"Do not post a link or quote an article while contributing little to nothing of your own," say the posting guidelines (http://forums.applenova.com/guidelines.html). :p
A couple things that came to mind for me:
Something really new and cool, that none of us are expecting
Yeah, that popped into my mind too.:p ;)
"Do not post a link or quote an article while contributing little to nothing of your own," say the posting guidelines (http://forums.applenova.com/guidelines.html). :p
Umm, okay. :o Well, I know now, don't I?:)
And, I'm a bit tired right now, don't have the spark to right a one-page essay on a little rumor I found. Is it OK? I don't really want to get banned...
You don't have to write an essay about it. It would just be appreciated to gave a little more than some nondescript links that just say "this" and "rumors" without any indication of their relevance to the topic at hand.
I would like to see a full screen control like Quicktime, in itunes full screen!
World Leader Pretend
2006-02-12, 16:37
What I also want to see is a very fast and lightweight music player that can play a plethora of file formats. I get very angry when I have to open up GarageBand just to here a song that I enhanced in its true state of audiophile-ness. iTunes is great at most everything, but I just need like a little program that will play any music file anytime!
What I also want to see is a very fast and lightweight music player that can play a plethora of file formats. I get very angry when I have to open up GarageBand just to here a song that I enhanced in its true state of audiophile-ness. iTunes is great at most everything, but I just need like a little program that will play any music file anytime!
What does GarageBand let you do, player-wise, that iTunes won't? Turning off certain channels doesn't exactly seem an "audiophile" feature to me.
i would like to have Smart Folders be more like iTunes smart folders, where you can have multiple cases of this OR that AND that, not just one thing.
also, the ability to have smart folders to be saved anywhere, not just your user folder and saved searches
iChat TABS PLEASE!!!
finder windows that flip like dashboard widgets for preferences on that specific window/folder. heck, maybe all app preferences can be turned into that :p JK, that's would be way inefficient.
i think apple will do a lot with the semi-transparent black theme that first appeared in iPhoto 5 and is now in all the pro apps besides FCP. that could be like the "Get Info" window for files.
Safari RSS notification in the menu bar when Safari is not running
font colors on the desktop that detect what color background is behind them and change accordingly (so when i have a white background, the font will be black). naturally, no odd colors, just white to black (like how ical changes font colors when changing calender theme colors). does anyone get what i'm saying in this one?
better "Show All" window in Spotlight (more keyboard-operated controls).
i can't think of anything other than that
World Leader Pretend
2006-02-12, 16:47
What does GarageBand let you do, player-wise, that iTunes won't? Turning off certain channels doesn't exactly seem an "audiophile" feature to me.
I used GarageBand to greatly improve the Bass and add some reverb and a slight echo to a track of mine ("In the End" by Linkin Park) and it sounded very nice on my headphones in GarageBand, but when I sent the track to iTunes, it sounded horible and distorted. Something along the way got out-of-whack.
Granted, it's not audiophile quality but you know what I mean...
A FEW MINOR THINGS.
1. The scroll-bar and the minimize, close and maximize buttons could do with being a hair bigger, I find them to be ever so slightly to small.
2. The maximize button could enlarge every window in every application to full-screen. Dare I i say like shitty 'Windows'!
3. The windows should go all the way to the bottom of the screen, Garage Band is an example of that not happening. Minor, but annoying. (maybe 10.4.5).
5. But the most annoying thing is this! Why is the mail (.mac) so damn slow and soooo unreliable!
2. The maximize button could enlarge every window in every application to full-screen. Dare I i say like shitty 'Windows'!
Oh god no. It's not Maximize, it's Zoom. Each app analyzes the content of the window, and determines what the optimal size is to show everything it can *without wasting space*. Why is this good? Because Drag-and-Drop is *ubiquitous* on a Mac. It's not on Windows. You want to have your target *and* source windows showing, so full-screen is useless and wasteful. Under Windows, meh, who cares if it's full screen, since Drag-and-Drop is basically non-existent?
3. The windows should go all the way to the bottom of the screen, Garage Band is an example of that not happening. Minor, but annoying. (maybe 10.4.5).
And then the Dock covers the resize tab. Nope.
Not if your dock is on the left ;) (can't stand it at the bottom, makes absolutely no sense to me)
True dat. :) Mine's in the same place, and the avoidance of the Dock should be dynamic in such cases, and the app go all the way to the bottom. If not, the app is screwing up, and it's time to file a bug with Apple. :)
i have a love-hate relationship with the dock. it's beautiful but annoying, logical but out-of-place, useful but at the same time gets in the way a lot... but my main argument for the dock is that i couldn't ever think of a better way to do it. thus, i think it's great, even though it's not perfect.
jondaapplegeek
2006-02-12, 17:45
can't stand it at the bottom, makes absolutely no sense to me
Really? Why?!? I think it makes a lot more sense at the bottom, and also I have so much junk in it it doesn't fit along either side.
World Leader Pretend
2006-02-12, 17:46
I have mine set to hide when I'm not using it, and it doesn't seem to get in the way all that often. I just have to make sure that my windows are resized correctly. :) Mine's at the bottom (I agree with the post above, the side doesn't make sense to me) and it is set ot around 30% magnification.
I really like the ability to magnify icons in the dock, very handy for people who have lots of junk in their dock.
And that's why it's moveable. :)
Dave Hagan
2006-02-12, 18:37
I think that Apple should also include for free Apple Remote Desktop. Or at the very least, a lite version of the app (Ã la Quicktime vs. Quicktime Pro). Windows XP has the client and the controller built-in.
World Leader Pretend
2006-02-12, 18:38
I really want to see a magnifying glass! As stupid as it sounds, I think it would be neat to have a little window shaped like a magnifying glass lens that magnifies any part of the screen to a selectable magnification. I know that there already is an option in the Universal Access that will do this for the whole scree, but sometimes it isn't very useful. Not to say that having a digital magnifying glass would be useful but hey, why not? ;)
Also for the luck people with an iSight Camera, Apple should include something built into the system that makes the entire display a mirror using the camera. It would be the ultimate screen saver!
Really? Why?!? I think it makes a lot more sense at the bottom, and also I have so much junk in it it doesn't fit along either side.
I set mine to disappear when I don't need it, and the magnification so that everything fits on the screen - with a nice mouse-over blow-up. I'd actually prefer it on the right, but that always got in the way with the scroll bars.
ZachPruckowski
2006-02-13, 00:56
In re. the iSight mirror, Apple is developing a camera built into screens to make iChat AV less awkward (having to look up at the camera). If that mirror isn't a screensaver on models with that, I'll be very sad. ::Drools::
There is a problem with the inevitable introduction of the video ipod and/or DVR... It will NOT be as successful as iTunes without DVD ripping. I have a friend that has 400+ DVD's and would be thuroughly pissed if he had to buy all his DVD's all over again just to play on a portable player.
I believe the MPAA (evil incarnate) would agree to a ripping capability (it has to happen eventually, they're fighting a losing battle) if the format is DRM'd. Apple would probably use its M4P format with fairplay. I think good terms would be:
1. Burn at least one backup copy.
2. Same 5 device limit as music.
3. Unlimited iPod use.
4. Can convert to other resolutions but not other formats.
5. Includes a plugin for other apps so they can read the format but cannot capture the stream.
Native Virtual Desktops, as in all of the various Linux desktops. It needn't be on by default, but the third-party apps are less than perfect.
Yes, I vote for this too. I'd like to see certain interface elements like this appear in Leopard as part of a "pro" Desktop. I.e. you would have a preference switch to turn on the Pro-Desktop which has features like Virtual Desktops added for users that need them. I'm not advocating a seperate "pro" version of Leopard here of course, just that one can have an "Advanced" preference feature to turn on less commonly used UI elements.
I think this is the way to go because I believe that pro-users and home users have different requirements for how to organize their desktop and work. I need virtual desktops at work, as I have a Desktop full of windows that monitor the temperatures/voltages etc of the experiment I work on. However I don't want those cluttering up my regular work desktop (they literally fill my entire screen). I use Desktop Manager for this, but an integrated solution would be much better, for example adding another button to the windows to allow windows to be "sticky".
faramirtook
2006-02-13, 10:16
Yes, I vote for this too. I'd like to see certain interface elements like this appear in Leopard as part of a "pro" Desktop. I.e. you would have a preference switch to turn on the Pro-Desktop which has features like Virtual Desktops added for users that need them. I'm not advocating a seperate "pro" version of Leopard here of course, just that one can have an "Advanced" preference feature to turn on less commonly used UI elements.
I think this is the way to go because I believe that pro-users and home users have different requirements for how to organize their desktop and work. I need virtual desktops at work, as I have a Desktop full of windows that monitor the temperatures/voltages etc of the experiment I work on. However I don't want those cluttering up my regular work desktop (they literally fill my entire screen). I use Desktop Manager for this, but an integrated solution would be much better, for example adding another button to the windows to allow windows to be "sticky".
I use DesktopManager too, but it's quite buggy and crashes if I leave it idle for too long. :confused: I'm trying to do the OS X Thingâ„¢ by not using all of my screen space for one or two apps (like I did with DesktopManager) and using only one desktop.
I was a lifetime Windows user, so I have the habit of making windows huge, because that's what I did when I used it, and what I still do in school. I also used Ubuntu Linux for a while, so I got used to virtual desktops and maximising windows at the same time. So when I got to OS X, the first thing I did was hunt for a virtual desktop app, and I couldn't fine one that was a s good as the Linux ones, so I had to settle for DesktopManager.
There has to be a decent-sized percentage of users that would want this.
beardedmacuser
2006-02-13, 10:24
Ahhh...screw reputation points. Honestly they should be disabled completely from the forum...they have no task but showing how much of the forum likes you.
I've been enjoying this forum for months and I didn't even realise such "reputation points" existed. Hmmm...
I use DesktopManager too, but it's quite buggy and crashes if I leave it idle for too long. :confused: I'm trying to do the OS X Thingâ„¢ by not using all of my screen space for one or two apps (like I did with DesktopManager) and using only one desktop.
I was a lifetime Windows user, so I have the habit of making windows huge, because that's what I did when I used it, and what I still do in school. I also used Ubuntu Linux for a while, so I got used to virtual desktops and maximising windows at the same time. So when I got to OS X, the first thing I did was hunt for a virtual desktop app, and I couldn't fine one that was a s good as the Linux ones, so I had to settle for DesktopManager.
There has to be a decent-sized percentage of users that would want this.
Almost everyone I know who works in my field and as a Mac uses either Codetek virtual desktop or Desktop Manager. This may be a function of the fact that we were all used to using Suns and then Linux before Mac so got used to using Virtual Desktops as a concept. That said the stuff I run does fill the entire screen, so Virtual desktops make the most sense. I guess instead I could "Hide" the windows I don't want, but it becomes somewhat cumbersome to do this when you're using X11 (you can't hide only certain windows, its all or nothing).
I find that at home I don't use Virtual Desktops, but at work I need to. I like the idea that I can separate out my work onto several desktops, one for each of the projects I'm currently working on. I need this separation to help me multitask.
That said, I don't have too many issues with Desktop Manager. Occassionally it seems to lose the ability to keep windows on multiple screens, but I haven't noticed any other bugs.
it would be nice to have some sort of auto-sensing location... it could use wireless networks to detect location (IE, a different set of preferences, desktop picture, widget set, etc... when it sees my work wifi network as opposed to my home network)
Mr Beardsley
2006-02-13, 12:10
Here's the list of things I'd like to see.
Add garbage collection to Objective-C and Cocoa to bring it up to speed with other rapid development languages like Java/C# (There are clues that this is likely)
Move WebObjects back to Objective-C and use the foundation framework from Cocoa. Then we can write client/server apps all in full Cocoa glory. Maybe they could also figure out some way with AJAX to add a "Cocoa Bindings-esque" functionality on web pages.
Expand Core-Data to cover using a sql server in addtion to SQLite, XML, and binary. This would be part of the new WebObjects and expanded Cocoa (See above)
Start moving more parts of the OS over to Objective-C and Cocoa. Starting with our favorite problem child, the "Finder"
The new finder shoul allow better meta-data input and use ACLs by default.
The previoulsy mentioned improvements to SpotLight that allow more complex searching
With the KPIs being published maybe they can do some more work sprucing up the kernel. I'm not sure what the situation really is, but the Anand articles looking at kernel performance were not flattering.
Bring about the final death of brushed metal with a new uniform gradient window appearance.
Resolution Idependent UI utilizing more vectors for GUI componenets, and yes they will finally have Quartz 2D Extreme turned on.
Yeah that'd do nicely ... :D
Desktop Manager is a free application, of course it sucks! Personally, I use You Control : Desktops ($9.99), which is roughly equivalent to Codetek's version. It's not perfect as it has the tendency to crash unexpectedly, but that only happens once every few weeks.
All this talk about DVD ripping and no has yet mentioned that Vista will support ripping. I see no reason that OS X couldn't introduce the same DRM'ed ripping that Vista is going to use.
Add garbage collection to Objective-C and Cocoa to bring it up to speed with other rapid development languages like Java/C# (There are clues that this is likely)
Apple didn't invent the Objective C language (although Apple did buy NeXT, the original inventor) and it is used elsewhere besides Cocoa. I believe a change as wide-sweeping as this would necessitate calling the new language something different altogether. Exactly what clues do you see that make this appear likely?
Apple didn't invent the Objective C language (although Apple did buy NeXT, the original inventor) and it is used elsewhere besides Cocoa. I believe a change as wide-sweeping as this would necessitate calling the new language something different altogether. Exactly what clues do you see that make this appear likely?
http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Cocoa/Reference/Foundation/ObjC_classic/Classes/NSObject.html
Called by the garbage collector when the receiver is not referenced by other objects.
Note: Garbage collection is not available for use in Mac OS X v10.4, nor in earlier versions.
As I understand it, though, the garbage collector in ObjC is not the same as it is in Java as Mr Beardsley alludes, though. In ObjC, you have to explicitly mark an object for collection by releasing it. In Java, it's automatic as soon as the process moves out of the object's scope.
This isn't necessarily a language extension, garbage collection could be built into Cocoa. There are many C++ libraries that perform garbage collection without touching the language.
Mr Beardsley
2006-02-13, 14:32
Apple didn't invent the Objective C language (although Apple did buy NeXT, the original inventor) and it is used elsewhere besides Cocoa. I believe a change as wide-sweeping as this would necessitate calling the new language something different altogether. Exactly what clues do you see that make this appear likely?
Objective-C was actually invented by Brad Cox at a company called Step Stone. NeXT licensed Objective-C for use in their rapid development framework. Adding garbage collection to Obj-C involves changes to the compiler, and changing the Cocoa frameworks to use it. GNUStep already implements automatic garbage collection in their implementation of Obj-C and their frameworks. Apple and GNUStep are about the only large users of Obj-C, and they already have some differences in their implementations.
As for clues, it's a selection under the compiler that appeared as of I believe 10.4 along with accelerated Object-C message dispatch. The inclusion of the checkbox leads one to believe that it will be a reality when they finish implementing it.
Interesting. Thanks. :) I had no idea that GNUStep had automatic garbage collection.
Mr Beardsley
2006-02-13, 14:41
Yeah GNUStep might be cool if it didn't look so crappy. I think they've held over the old NeXT look from the early nineties. If the look of grey, mid 90's OSes floats your boat, then GNUStep is computing heaven!
All I ask is that Apple changes "iCal" and "iSync" to "Calendar" and "Sync." I mean, really. They're not part of iLife, and it bugs the obsessive compulsive side of me to have "iCal" and "iSync" but just "Mail" and "Address Book." Unified names would be nice.
Of course, I'm expecting 10.5 to encompass more than that. If you've read my 2006 prediction thread, you know that I'm expecting resolution independence to be a major part of it. The Finder might be updated, too.
But I have a question for someone more knowledgeable than me: Would it be too early for a fully 64-bit OS? Merom, Conroe, and Woodcrest would be out by then...would a fully 64-bit OS mean that it wouldn't work at all on a G4 (or even a Core)?
Mr Beardsley
2006-02-13, 15:14
I think that 10.5 being fully 64 bit is too early. They may make more portions able to use 64 bitness, but I doubt they'd make the whole thing 64 bit from top to bottom.
I think that 10.5 being fully 64 bit is too early. They may make more portions able to use 64 bitness, but I doubt they'd make the whole thing 64 bit from top to bottom.
I know.
But I am expecting 10.5 to be the largest upgrade to OS X yet. It's up against Windows Vista, after all. Not that that's much of a contest...
Would a fully 64-bit OS be incompatible with 32-bit processors? Is there anyway Apple could make it...I hate to say it..."universal"?
would a fully 64-bit OS mean that it wouldn't work at all on a G4 (or even a Core)?
No. OS X is perfectly suited to have multiple binaries in one. Universal Binaries / Fat Binaries (same thing) aren't limited to just two architecture in one; you can have as many as you like.
In fact, you'll find that some files in the system are already for three architectures: ppc (32-bit PowerPC), ppc64 (64-bit PowerPC, in this case for the 970* / G5) and x86 (32-bit Pentium/Core/etc.).
Further, some apps may optimize specifically for a CPU; for instance, there's G4-optimized builds of Firefox. Those could be compiled, too, with multiple architectures: ppc (for a PowerPC that can't take advantage of G4 optimizations, such as a 740/750/G3), ppc7400 (for a PowerPC G4), ppc7450 (for a PowerPC G4+, with improved AltiVec), etc.
So in short, no, a 64-bit OS wouldn't lock anyone out at all. :)
Objective-C was actually invented by Brad Cox at a company called Step Stone. NeXT licensed Objective-C for use in their rapid development framework. Adding garbage collection to Obj-C involves changes to the compiler, and changing the Cocoa frameworks to use it.
Notice that NeXT acquired full rights for Objective-C in 1995, and as of 2002, Stepstone ceased to exist.
Cox never worked for Apple, though he did work as a consultant for NeXT.
For all intents and purposes, Objective-C now belongs to Apple.
No. OS X is perfectly suited to have multiple binaries in one. Universal Binaries / Fat Binaries (same thing) aren't limited to just two architecture in one; you can have as many as you like.
In fact, you'll find that some files in the system are already for three architectures: ppc (32-bit PowerPC), ppc64 (64-bit PowerPC, in this case for the 970* / G5) and x86 (32-bit Pentium/Core/etc.).
Further, some apps may optimize specifically for a CPU; for instance, there's G4-optimized builds of Firefox. Those could be compiled, too, with multiple architectures: ppc (for a PowerPC that can't take advantage of G4 optimizations, such as a 740/750/G3), ppc7400 (for a PowerPC G4), ppc7450 (for a PowerPC G4+, with improved AltiVec), etc.
So in short, no, a 64-bit OS wouldn't lock anyone out at all. :)
Thanks, chucker. That's what I thought - I think OS X will stay 32-bit compatible until, well, OS XI.
I wouldn't say that I'm expecting 10.5 to be 64-bit, but it would play a major part in making Leopard the largest OS X upgrade yet.
Windows is going 64-bit (for real, this time) with Vista. Intel is making a major 64-bit push with Merom, Conroe, and Woodcrest.
The time really is right for OS X to go entirely 64-bit. Whether Apple make the leap is another story, but I certainly hope they do.
Mr Beardsley
2006-02-13, 15:37
Notice that NeXT acquired full rights for Objective-C in 1995, and as of 2002, Stepstone ceased to exist.
Cox never worked for Apple, though he did work as a consultant for NeXT.
For all intents and purposes, Objective-C now belongs to Apple.
I was just giving a little history and wanted to point out that Objective-C was not invented by NeXT or Apple. I'm curious if anyone really "owns" Objective-C. It seems that since the GCC can compile Objective-C, and GNUStep has an Obj-C runtime, anybody could extend Obj-C anyway they saw fit.
I was just giving a little history and wanted to point out that Objective-C was not invented by NeXT or Apple.
Sure :)
I'm curious if anyone really "owns" Objective-C. It seems that since the GCC can compile Objective-C, and GNUStep has an Obj-C runtime, anybody could extend Obj-C anyway they saw fit.
Of course, but there's probably some sort of copyright/trademark/whatever on it that some entity owns. Whether it's Brad Cox, ex-Stepstone, ex-NeXT or actually Apple, I don't know. It probably doesn't matter.
World Leader Pretend
2006-02-13, 16:08
All this talk about DVD ripping and no has yet mentioned that Vista will support ripping. I see no reason that OS X couldn't introduce the same DRM'ed ripping that Vista is going to use.
Ahh! that's where I got the idea from in my original list, it was on the features list for Vista! Everyone has been bashing the idea and saying that it is illegal, but apparently the M$ heathens can bend laws to suite their needs. I have no idea why Apple couldn't just implement their "fair-play DRM" (or whatever) to DVD ripping.
I also want to see a more unified theme throughout the system. The brushed steel is nice, but maybe something more transparent or, um, streamlined... I don't know. Lots of 3rd party apps like Firefox use a silver top instead of the brushed metal, so a more unified theme could look cool.
Also I want lots of customizable options like the colors of the top-bar or elements of the system.
I REALLY want to see an option to have a screen saver-like graphic as your desktop. I know that currently you can set the desktop to change as close as five seconds apart, but a motion graphic that is subtle would be a real eye-catcher. Of course, you can turn it off when you get tired of it.
:confused:
Why should Apple implement a half-ass DVD ripping that's borderline on illegal when they just could let some small fries develop the programs and weather the storm.
They are not in DVD ripping business.
Ahh! that's where I got the idea from in my original list, it was on the features list for Vista! Everyone has been bashing the idea and saying that it is illegal, but apparently the M$ heathens can bend laws to suit their needs.
DVD ripping being illegal (or not) and producing an application or OS that facilitates it are not necessarily the same thing.
Shooting people is illegal (even if you're the Vice President :-) ) but owning guns is not.
Remember that the media companies have tried to outlaw virtually every type of mechanical means used to copy content - records, cassettes, VCRs and so on - and have failed every time. They'll fail this time too.
DVD ripping being illegal (or not) and producing an application or OS that facilitates it are not necessarily the same thing.
Shooting people is illegal (even if you're the Vice President :-) ) but owning guns is not.
Remember that the media companies have tried to outlaw virtually every type of mechanical means used to copy content - records, cassettes, VCRs and so on - and have failed every time. They'll fail this time too.
But they also didnt have the evil DMCA on their side either....
As long as the format DVD's are ripped into is DRM'ed the MPAA will agree. If they don't make any consessions then even with the DMCA they will eventually lose; if the majority is happy then no one will fight for totally DRMless files. *coughitunesmusicstorecough*
Shooting people is illegal (even if you're the Vice President :-) ) but owning guns is not.
True, but they didn't write the DMCA by taking the gun laws and doing a search&replace. Producing (and perhaps even owning, not sure) a copy protection circumvention device is illegal. MS (and also Apple) may agree with the MPAA on a way of doing this that would be officially sanctioned, which may work. Though if that's possible, it would only prove those people right who say that the DMCA basically gives the MPAA and others the power to make their own laws on IP.
oldmacfan
2006-02-13, 19:00
What bugs me the most is that DVD's and even some CD's are so easliy damaged by scratches or bending that they are defective by nature and that people are legally forced not to protect their investment meaning these copyright holders are making more money with the repurchase of the Media and that the government is protecting their rights over the right of the people and fair use.
We as a people need to take to court in a massive class action suite against any company that sells their product on these types of media and take back through the courts the right to protect our investments in their product.
Anyone know where we can find an Attorney to take on this case. ;)
But they also didnt have the evil DMCA on their side either....
True of course, as is what ghoti said in the following post. But they had some other pretty strong industry pressure groups on their side. It seems incredible now, but even live performances on radio were attacked as far as Congress by the early C20th musicians' unions!
I'm not saying it's a done deal - perhaps my having said "they will lose too" earlier was a little too confident - but it's certainly not fully decided in the media companies' favor.
World Leader Pretend
2006-02-13, 21:05
I agree that it is illegal to make exact copies of DVDs so you can give on to your friend for free, but what if it is for archival purpose? It is a real gray area, and one that I want to see cleared up in the future. I don't want to break the law on purpose but hey, the Powers That Be seem to make it really hard on people.
Apple should really work in that area, since people will want their home DVDs on their Video iPods :)
...but what if it is for archival purpose? It is a real gray area, and one that I want to see cleared up in the future.
No, it's not really a gray area at all.
If you circumvent the encryption of the DVD, you are in violation of the DMCA (section 1201). It's as simple as that. "Fair Use" need not apply.
Unless you're a library. Libraries got an exemption, they are actually allowed to break the copy protection. Everybody else is simply screwed.
No, it's not really a gray area at all.
If you circumvent the encryption of the DVD, you are in violation of the DMCA (section 1201). It's as simple as that. "Fair Use" need not apply.
Isn't that then saying because a media has copy protection that Fair Use no longer applies? I smell another BetaMax case brewing on this one. Someone with money and balls needs to take this one to the supreme court. Also, this prevents people from decoding these mainstream formats without a license, which is why DeCSS was created in the first place, to facilitate DVD playback on Linux.
Sometimes I wonder if having the part of your brain that provides logical thought surgically removed is a requirement to run for congress.
This thread is to discuss the possibilities and the additions that Mac OS 10.5 (aka Leopard) will have. Of course, most of this is speculation, but what will you want it to do?
I want to see everything that Tiger has and:
Software:
+Front Row 2.0
+Spotlight 2.0
+A DVD ripping suite
+Very fast performance (duh!)
+More Disk Utility options
+3D GUI Finder (see below)
GUI
+A 3D user interface, where your files and programs are "floating" in the background for you to see and interact with. It would be easier than clicking through multiple User>Library>iPhoto>Pictures>1025452 to get a specific picture if you could just see a thumbnail floating in a web that branches from a specific folder or sub-folder. Of course, you could turn this feature off for a simpler look.
+Smart Folders that are easy to work with and are useful to everyone.
+Expose on steroids, where you can pick apart elements of open windows and tile them across your screen, so if you have a webpage with Text, Pictures and a Movie, you can select each different element and arrange them separately across the screen so selecting and copying just the picture is easy and looks good.
+A mode where the screen will go blank and become a very simple "clipboard" so you can arrange and view pictures like they were laying on a table. It would have some basic editing tools, as well as the ability to move and re-size the pictures anyway you want to. This feature would be handy for those people (like me) who take lots of screenshots to the desktop. It could show up much like the "Dashboard" does now, just floating over the rest of the screen and not interfering with whatever else is going on.
+Dashboard that allows for multiple "screens" of widgets, faster loading performance
General
+Smaller Footprint (under 10GB)
+Lots of optional installs and developer tools
+Support for .11n wireless networking
...and of course, do it in a way that puts Vista to shame!
I like these ideas very much... Seems like you're basically saying that you'd like a multiple clipboard layer with a user interface much like Expose and Dashboard.
That by itself is nothing less than a brilliant idea I think. So simple. So useful.
But! Now that I think of it...
Isn't the desktop just that? You select a picture in a web page or a text snippet or a sound file, you press F11 and you drag it to the desktop.
Desktop is really my multiple clipboard. Just like a real desktop, actually...
Isn't that then saying because a media has copy protection that Fair Use no longer applies?
Correct.
Correct.
Be nice if this got the same kind of publicity that software patents did. Then we may have a chance of winning before HDMI takes away our last remaining loophole to easily record something without DRM.
Adamacintosh
2006-02-19, 03:37
I'm pretty sure it will feature Apple's "Red Box," enabling the OS to run Windows apps natively. Also, an advanced speech rcognition will be introduced which recognizes what you say more easily, and also featuring more human-like voices, and possibly losing the older ones Apple has been using for many systems in the past. A redesigned finder is most likely as well, the features of which were already discussed countless times. With the release of Leopard, Apple will also feature the renamed/redesigned iTunes 8 (iTunes 7 will be released this April 1st, seeing as how Apple will be celebrating its "billion songs downloaded.")
julesstoop
2006-02-19, 03:41
No. No "Red Box". Developers would loose there incentive to write OS X native software.
Adamacintosh
2006-02-19, 03:49
Sorry, but I'm pretty sure the Red Box is on it's way. First of all, read all the rumors of it online, and most Apple rumors of this magnitude tend to be true. Also, read my extended explanation of why it wouldn't matter in the "Will Apple Ditch OS X for Windows?" topic.
Unbeliever
2006-02-19, 09:14
Sorry, but I'm pretty sure the Red Box is on it's way. First of all, read all the rumors of it online, and most Apple rumors of this magnitude tend to be true. Also, read my extended explanation of why it wouldn't matter in the "Will Apple Ditch OS X for Windows?" topic.
Rumors don't make it any more plausible ;)
Rumors don't make it any more plausible ;)
Especially when you consider that the more "reliable" rumor sources have said nothing to the effect.
I can start a rumor that Apple intends to drop Mac OS X and start installing Windows on its computers (oh wait, that one's already been started!) but that doesn't make it any truer than it was five minutes before I started it.
Adamacintosh
2006-02-19, 15:25
First of all, I realize that rumors don't make it any more plausible. I am merely saying that there are several very good sites out there that research what Apple is doing, and all of the ones that I know to almost always be correct have said that there will be a red box. Plus, it just seems like the logical thing to do next according to myself and many other people who research this sort of thing every day. I think the smart thing to do would be to just wait until Leopard comes out before saying who knows what and who is just spreading rumors. ;)
applenerd
2006-02-23, 11:46
I agree with some of the previous stuff. I have one small thing about safari. 3.0 should allow text to be inserted into a text area in an spot (not just added to the end). Firefox can already do this. I have fallen in love with tabs and I expect that to happen a bit more. Maybe there will be tabs for finder windows. I think apple may make a program to easily make your own app with a gui, with no programming required. Then you could run applescripts, automator things, and something else that they come up with. They have been leading up to this. First applescript for programmers to expand apps. Then automator to let stupid people expand apps. Then iWeb to let more stupid people create websites. And now an app to let stupid people make their own SIMPLE apps. This program may actually be part of ilife 07 though. Also I'm pretty sure apple is already working on a widget making app. If they haven't already they will make this also have a drag-and-drop feature to easily make simple widgets!
axel
I haven't seen any "very good sites" writing about "Red Box." Links please?
I find it incredibly unlikely that Apple will ever ship "Red Box" along with OS X, as it would be a serious blow to native OS X application development. What on earth would convince major vendors to continue OS X development for their apps? What would stop the OS X user experience from declining as a result?
I have no doubt, though, that *one* of the reasons to switch to Intel was have third-party vendors offering near-native virtualization options, and perhaps even to give Apple the *option* of the much-discussed, rarely-justified "OS X for x86" (if only the sake of leverage, and a different strategic future). Nor would it surprise me if there was a secret internal "Red Box" project at Apple. That, however, is a world away from shipping it in a final product.
I've been predicting a natural voice synthesis engine + much better speech recognition (esp as a supplement to general UI commands) for an OS version or two now, so I hope Leopard is the one. But I'm not counting on it.
I do expect a very striking visual refresh for Leopard, with more animations utilizing CoreImage, some long-delayed dramatic enhancements for the Dock and Finder, and a far better integration of Spotlight.
All I want in Leopard is for Mail to hide on startup, really, that's all.
All I want in Leopard is for Mail to hide on startup, really, that's all.
You (http://forums.applenova.com/showthread.php?p=301190&highlight=hide#post301190) aren't (http://forums.applenova.com/showthread.php?p=294637&highlight=hide#post294637) alone (http://forums.applenova.com/showthread.php?p=287451&highlight=hide#post287451) . (http://forums.applenova.com/showthread.php?p=259202&highlight=hide#post259202) . (http://forums.applenova.com/showthread.php?p=255185&highlight=hide#post255185) . (http://forums.applenova.com/showthread.php?p=216534&highlight=hide#post216534) . (http://forums.applenova.com/showthread.php?p=198259&highlight=hide#post198259)
Why don't you disable it on startup?
If I remember correctly.
System
Accounts
Login items
uncheck for hide at startup
Correct me if I am wrong.
Adamacintosh
2006-02-24, 10:16
What do you mean? Everything's always worked fine with Tiger for me. What is the problem you have with Mail?
Adamacintosh
2006-02-24, 10:17
And Hobbes, just do a search on Google for Red Box on Google and see the list that you get. Wikipedia even talks about it in their article about Mac OS Leopard.
And whenever something is said enough on the internet, it must be true!
Adamacintosh
2006-02-24, 13:51
And whenever something is said enough on the internet, it must be true!
Yeah, lol. Everyone knows that. ;)
But, seriously, like I said, there are sites out there that say this that are very respectable, and don't post random rumors. Wikipedia is a big enough name for everyone here to realize that it doesn't make up stuff for its articles, or take rumors made by any old person. If it's in Wikipedia, or any of the other countless sites out there that you SHOULD listen to, it most likely has some form of reasoning behind it and shouldn't be taken as BS.
Well, actually, Wikipedia does accept articles from anybody. That doesn't mean it's a bad source of information, far from it, it is usually a good source to find overviews of topics that you don't too know much about. However, anyone can contribute, a fact that got Wikipedia into trouble a few months ago when someone went and posted libelous charges in one of their entries, since then they've clamped down a bit, but still the basic concept is that anyone can change anything(which is why articles on controversial subjects change frequently), I could go on there right now and change the information about Red Box if I was of the mind (not that I would, but you see my point.)
Adamacintosh
2006-02-24, 14:12
huh. i didn't know that. cool. i see your point. still, i stick to my personal opinion that red box should become real. i mean, apple has always surprised me by coming up with technology that surpasses my wildest dreams, and compatability remains a big issue, so i just hope that it really does come out. :)
I'd rather see Cocoa and Xcode for Windows than Red Box for Mac OS.
Tick a box, and you've got true universal binaries, the Windows and Mac app all in one package.
Wasn't that their original plan with Interface Builder a long time ago?
Wasn't that their original plan with Interface Builder a long time ago?
Sort of. Search for info about "Yellow Box" to answer your queries. :)
Sort of. Search for info about "Yellow Box" to answer your queries. :)
Searched around, and there really was a Yellow Box for Windows (http://www.shawcomputing.net/resources/apple/os_pictures/yb2k//)... It wouldn't surprise me if they've still got that project going.
That's exciting!
jondaapplegeek
2006-02-27, 12:23
It would be really nice if you could make any window 'always on top'. Was thinking how this could be done, and easiest idea is a fourth button top left - although I'm sure there is a MUCH better idea . A quick (but very bad) mock up would look something like this: (i'm not very good at photoshop yet!)
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/7590/extrabutton6yz.jpg
This would mean you could quickly and easily turn this feature on and off. Often think this would be useful for different things, like when you're watching a small quicktime movie, but want to work in Word/Photoshop/Keynote etc at same time (on a Powerbook, I don't have the space for both side by side.
There's a very good reason this isn't done: KISS.
jondaapplegeek
2006-02-27, 12:54
There's a very good reason this isn't done: KISS.
KISS??? Sorry, don't understand....
ZachPruckowski
2006-02-27, 12:57
Kiss is "keep it simple stupid/silly". You want to keep something as basic as possible, because confusing users is a bad move.
In total violation of that premise, I want so way to be able to work in Exposé, because it is really useful if you are summarizing articles or something. Like maybe type a three key combo to unlock it or something.
KISS??? Sorry, don't understand....
"Keep It Simple Stupid". Aka "Less is More". Apple thrives because of simplicity (http://forums.applenova.com/showthread.php?t=14253) and not by adding every possible feature.
jondaapplegeek
2006-02-27, 13:10
surely it would be possible, even if it was a key combo like ZachPruckowski suggested opposed to another option. It would be really useful.
ddrueckhammer
2006-02-27, 14:10
I found this thread so interesting I decided to get a username on this board and reply. This is what I would like to see in Leopard although much of this has been suggested before and some are more suggestions for apps....
1. Consistent UI across all applications and the OS.
2. Resolution Independence
3. Better Samba networking
4. Make finder sortable by various criteria (iTunes currently is)
5. A separate movie store and application to organize movies in the user/movies folder (I know not really part of the OS)
6. The ability to burn Photo Disks from iPhoto that doesn't include the file structure
7. A boot-loader for loading different OS's if the user wants.
8. A separate administrator account created by default
9. More canned automator routines.
10. An iTunes alarm clock widget that will wake the computer and play a song from iTunes (I know there are ways of achieving this but it could be more elegant)
11. A TV and DVR app (probably won't happen but I can dream) added to Front-Row
12. Fullscreen video in QT standard
13. Support for virtual desktops built-in
14. The ability to replace text in text-edit, pages etc from the system dictionary/thesaurus and widget (without copy and paste).
15. Support for more chat clients in iChat
16. More codecs included with Quicktime (maybe even a WMV one?)
17. Virtual surround sound decoder for DVD player (for those with 5.1 speakers but no external receiver)
18. Front Row Released as a download for all macs
19. Finder preferences, disk utility, airport admin utility, keychain, directory access etc all located in system preferences...(What new user would think to look in the applications/utilities folder for these apps?)
20. A cocktail like maintenance app by apple
21. An app for networking...(Again what new user would think to hit command k to connect to a network?)
22. The ability to share, lock, and encrypt individual folders without using filevault, moving files to your home folder, or a third-party app
23. An apple cd/dvd app...I know they don't want to put Toast out of business but I'm sure they could build in more burning functionality out of the box.
24. Finally, perhaps Apple should create there own virus detection/quarantine app (Currently there aren't any but thats not to say that there won't be...I don't think Apple should rely on 3rd party companies to ensure our security..)
25. DRM DVD Ripping
26. The ability to convert to different file formats besides AAC using iTunes (again not an OS change but still needed) I wanted to convert a song I imported from a CD to a ringtone...I had to download Audacity to do this because you can't save in .mp3 in iTunes or Quicktime (this is ridiculous!)
27. Better support for various plug-ins in Safari (there should never be a website Safari can't open)
ZachPruckowski
2006-02-27, 14:43
26 - Go to Preferences, then Advanced, Importing, and change the importing engine or whatever to whichever iTunes codec MP3/AAC/AAIF/Apple Lossless/WAV you want, then right click on the song, and there should be a convert to ______ option. You can only use this on non-DRMed music.
27 - there's a way to change the agent string via the debug menu you enable via Terminal (get help for that). Also, some websites use ActiveX, which is MS only, and also dumb and dangerous, so at least some sites will always fail.
Great first post.
I would also like to add the ability to ADD DRM to an iMovie file.
If I create a movie or promo video using iMovie and iDVD I should be able to ad copy protection to the disk via a checkbox or whatever.
First off, Welcome!!! You have some great ideas, but I have some questions for debate :p
I found this thread so interesting I decided to get a username on this board and reply. This is what I would like to see in Leopard although much of this has been suggested before and some are more suggestions for apps....
1. Consistent UI across all applications and the OS.
2. Resolution Independence
3. Better Samba networking
4. Make finder sortable by various criteria (iTunes currently is)
5. A separate movie store and application to organize movies in the user/movies folder (I know not really part of the OS)
6. The ability to burn Photo Disks from iPhoto that doesn't include the file structure
7. A boot-loader for loading different OS's if the user wants.
8. A separate administrator account created by default
9. More canned automator routines.
10. An iTunes alarm clock widget that will wake the computer and play a song from iTunes (I know there are ways of achieving this but it could be more elegant)
11. A TV and DVR app (probably won't happen but I can dream) added to Front-Row
12. Fullscreen video in QT standard
13. Support for virtual desktops built-in
14. The ability to replace text in text-edit, pages etc from the system dictionary/thesaurus and widget (without copy and paste).
15. Support for more chat clients in iChat
16. More codecs included with Quicktime (maybe even a WMV one?)
17. Virtual surround sound decoder for DVD player (for those with 5.1 speakers but no external receiver)
18. Front Row Released as a download for all macs
19. Finder preferences, disk utility, airport admin utility, keychain, directory access etc all located in system preferences...(What new user would think to look in the applications/utilities folder for these apps?)
20. A cocktail like maintenance app by apple
21. An app for networking...(Again what new user would think to hit command k to connect to a network?)
22. The ability to share, lock, and encrypt individual folders without using filevault, moving files to your home folder, or a third-party app
23. An apple cd/dvd app...I know they don't want to put Toast out of business but I'm sure they could build in more burning functionality out of the box.
24. Finally, perhaps Apple should create there own virus detection/quarantine app (Currently there aren't any but thats not to say that there won't be...I don't think Apple should rely on 3rd party companies to ensure our security..)
25. DRM DVD Ripping
26. The ability to convert to different file formats besides AAC using iTunes (again not an OS change but still needed) I wanted to convert a song I imported from a CD to a ringtone...I had to download Audacity to do this because you can't save in .mp3 in iTunes or Quicktime (this is ridiculous!)
27. Better support for various plug-ins in Safari (there should never be a website Safari can't open)
1. Agreed. I think we all know the style we're talking about. The iLife '06 look for finder, Safari, and everything else.
2. I still have NO CLUE what Resolution Independence means and how the heck it'll benefit a user.
3. no clue what this means
4. Oh, I've been wishing for that since day one! I'm sure it'll happen.
5. A separate video-handling app would be wonderful. Somehow it'll be really integrated w/iTunes. Maybe it'll just be a secondary user-interface of iTunes that'll be like "Launch Video Manager" or something. I don't know. Probably a bad idea.
7. I have no clue why someone would want to load windows on an mac...
8. Why??? I've never heard of this.
9. YES!!! I want the ability to apply a iPhoto filter to a number of images. They need to support 3 times the amount of scripts.
10. That'd be awesome.
11. Apple won't do DVR. I forget who posted something along those lines, I think it was yesterday, but I agree with them 100%. No Apple DVR.
13. Not sure what this means either. Virtual desktops?
15. Yeah. AND TABS!!
17. Again, niche market.18. Unlikely.
21. Not a new app, but better interface!!
23. I think the burning in Mac OS X is very sufficient for normal users
24. I think it's more important to make the system secure, not just write apps to look for things that go through the cracks. Eliminate the cracks.
25. YES. What a great idea.
I guess I'm trying to point out that most of the stuff you mentioned are not huge things and for a very small user base. I don't know how Resolution Independence will benefit me. I don't know a lot of the things people are mentioning in this thread will benefit me. The only things that I think NEED to happen, is consistent UI, overall Finder redesign, Spotlight speed, Dashboard speed and interface, and other things Apple has up their sleeve. Everything else seems like tiny requests from users that want this or that. To me, that's what 3rd party apps are for.
I just can't imagine looking at Apple's Mac OS X web-page and seeing the main features being advertised as resolution independence and the slew of other features everyone is asking for. Does that make sense? The basic user needs to see the feature and think it's something they NEED. How many people understand things like that? I'm not sure. I don't and I consider myself a semi-prosumer type guy. Just my thoughts.
[nate]
2.
Resolution independence can easily be marketed as a feature. What about people with bad eyesight? As display's get larger and their resolutions higher onscreen text is getting almost impossible to read even with the largest system font (im thinking windows here since its the majority). Whats the solution to this debacle you ask? Resolution Independent UI. Instead of just getting impossibly small as resolution goes up the UI will gain pixel density and stay the same perceived size, or even better, youcould adjust the overall scale of the UI to cater to your individual needs.
When little johnny gives his grandma a Mac to keep in contact with the family all he has to do is goto display prefs and drag a slider till everything is nice, big, and easy to read. :)
7.
Why would you want this? One word DirectX.
OpenGL is a very good technology but Apple's priority doesn't seem to be gamers sadly. Thus, the OpenGL routines in the OS are not optimized nearly to the level of even PC side OpenGL. The biggest reason I would dual boot Windows and OSX would be for gaming. I have a good example for you. Unreal Tournament 2004 can only achieve about 30-40FPS average on my Powerbook with a Radeon 9700 mobile. In tests on gaming sites for the 9700 this was almost doubled (60-80FPS) on comparable hardware. Also I'd like to play the games that never make it to Macs like GTA. No, I wont play it on a console The load tiimes between different areas of the city are ridiculous (not to mention the visual quality is in the toilet compared to the PC version) and I like to play my own music on the radio.
13.
If you've used Linux you would know what these are. Basically, you can have up to 4-5 different desktops with there own windows and destop items. You could say have your web browser in one, Photoshop session in another, and your email open in the other then just "command+tab" between the different desktops instead of just apps.
16.
WMP is no longer developed for OSX, but Microsoft is now offering a pluggin for quicktime. (sadly it works better than WMP ever did :lol: )
Okay...
Resolution Independence makes sense now. I see how it could be marketed.
Virtual Desktops seem too complicated for an average user. Wouldn't that take up even more RAM than Mac OS X already does?
I still think Apple wouldn't ever support dual-booting into Windows. But I see why you'd want to.
I agree with you, nato - I don't think Apple will support dual-booting. But I don't think they'll prohibit it, either.
Actually I believe virtual desktops were originally created to solve the UI problems associated with the maximize button. Kinda funny, creating a big 'ol complicated "feature" to fix the problems of screen space created by maximize instead of just replacing it with a zoom type button as in osx. :lol: :no:
Oh and 3.
Samba or SMB is basically open source windows networking. In other words it's what allows you to fileshare between a Mac and Windows over a network. Saying its a little buggy is a huge understatement.
Oh, and while your at it read AND FRIGGIN WRITE to NTFS disks!! :mad: :grumble:
Or, I have an even better idea... APPLE write a friggin pluggin for Windows and Linux to read and write to HFS+! That would be an even better solution to the problem!
It would be really nice if you could make any window 'always on top'. Was thinking how this could be done, and easiest idea is a fourth button top left - although I'm sure there is a MUCH better idea . A quick (but very bad) mock up would look something like this: (i'm not very good at photoshop yet!)
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/7590/extrabutton6yz.jpg
This would mean you could quickly and easily turn this feature on and off. Often think this would be useful for different things, like when you're watching a small quicktime movie, but want to work in Word/Photoshop/Keynote etc at same time (on a Powerbook, I don't have the space for both side by side.
Steve actually had that feature in the dev releases of OS X 10.0 (as a "Steve" feature), but it was axed before it went to production. Or at least I think so ...
:lol: :eek:
Steve actually had that feature in the dev releases of OS X 10.0 (as a "Steve" feature), but it was axed before it went to production. Or at least I think so ...
:lol: :eek:
No, that was the purple button on the right side enabling single-window mode. Not quite the same. :)
applenerd
2006-02-27, 18:36
One more small thing for safari 3. I find it useful when you reload a page it returns to where you were last on the page. But I hate this when I scroll while it loads and then it jumps back to where I was before. It should not jump back if the user scrolls while it loads!
axel
One more small thing for safari 3. I find it useful when you reload a page it returns to where you were last on the page. But I hate this when I scroll while it loads and then it jumps back to where I was before. It should not jump back if the user scrolls while it loads!
axel
Gah! Pure annoyance, I hate that too.
ddrueckhammer
2006-02-28, 09:38
Nate-
I think that many of the features I pointed out are niche features however I think that Apple should offer support for them. To me beefing up an existing features while needed doesn't really add appeal or make me want to purchase an update.
2. I still have NO CLUE what Resolution Independence means and how the heck it'll benefit a user.
It looks like Resolution Independence has already been explained so I won't go into this. Its not a huge gripe for me because you can change the sizes of icons already...
3. no clue what this means
SMB networking is horrible! This is networking with mixed Windows or Linux systems. While this was standardized by Microsoft, I believe Apple can improve on this feature.
7. I have no clue why someone would want to load windows on an mac...
I was with you on this until I needed to use a couple of Apps pertinent to my career. (AutoCAD and SolidWorks) I know there are substitutes for these programs but they still aren't the same as the originals. Also, my girlfriend has just applied to law school and I am told that most of the apps for most law schools are web based and can only be opened with windows and i.e.. Can someone confirm this?
If gaming is the reason you want Windows, I understand, but I still think console gaming is better. I personally am happy with World of Warcraft for my gaming.
8. Why??? I've never heard of this.
I threw this in because of the recent trojan horse attack over on Mac Rumors. If the default account is set to a normal user, the admin password must be entered before an app can be installed.
9. Not sure what this means either. Virtual desktops?
Just more and more useful automator routines. Automator has great potential but every time I've tried to use it I can quite get what I want. I know if it is that advanced I could just write an Apple script but still this app could be beefed up.
17. Again, niche market.
I think a lot of people watch movies from their computer. I have had mine hooked up to surround sound from day one and watch movies on a 30 inch screen connected to it with DVI. I think you are right in that most people who want to do this can just use a separate receiver but still this feature would be nice. Another request is to be able to stream to Airport Express' from other apps besides iTunes like perhaps DVD player.
18. Unlikely.
If Apple releases a movie store I don't think this is unlikely. Front Row is the perfect interface for downloading and watching movies.
Reading and writing to NTFS disks would be awesome also! I'm actually surprised nobody but me wants to be able to replace words like Word's Thesaurus does only with the entire system dictionary and widget. I know this is niche but I think a lot of users who want to use Pages would welcome this. Also, I could put big words in my posts on forums more easily!
applenerd
2006-02-28, 17:17
Got another small idea (this may have already been said). I love dashboard but have 2 probs with it. One, I have a ton of widgets open at once. I would love expose for widgets!!! Two, I would love a better way of organizing my widgets (I don't have any good ideas on how to do it, but that is apples job).
axel
Computers that are at a 20% margin instead of a 40% to run it on!!!
Computers that are at a 20% margin instead of a 40% to run it on!!!
Your ranting is starting to get old.
Computers that are at a 20% margin instead of a 40% to run it on!!!
Note the thread title.
This isn't a wish list about random other products.
applenerd
2006-03-09, 15:04
Ok. Talked with my friend a little today and we have some ideas. The applications folder should be "Smart" and hold ALL APPS. Then in the dock a little button that opens search. Ok, now I have a bigger idea. Either split the os into two different kinds or be able to turn on advanced mode (better). OK, the idea is to have more advanced options for highly experienced users. The biggie would be intergration w/ command line. You could hit f6 and a transparent widow comes up letting you run a quick command.
Another idea. You know in the top bar of an app (like in safari where the back buttons are and the url ). We all love how you can move some of that stuff around. well do the same thing with the menubar. While holding apple-option-shift when you click you can move elements around. This would give total customization. Menu bar on the bottom? Just move it. Heck you could move the menu bar to the middle of the screen!
When do y'all think we will see this much anticipated leopard. AFter apple took so long to make it I expect some big stuff coming out.
Ahh, what should I do while I wait for leopard.
axel
Then in the dock a little button that opens search.
How is that much different than opening up Spotlight by clicking on its icon in the menu bar? Either way you're clicking on something and Spotlight comes up. :confused:
Ok, now I have a bigger idea. Either split the os into two different kinds or be able to turn on advanced mode (better). OK, the idea is to have more advanced options for highly experienced users. The biggie would be intergration w/ command line. You could hit f6 and a transparent widow comes up letting you run a quick command.
You mean like an OS XP Professional and a regular OS XP? I don't see that as a road we need to go down! It's not a bad idea for those who use command line, but you have to realize that a lot of "professional" people never touch the thing, it seems like a third party app could add that functionality without too much trouble.
If you need access to a command line often, just leave the Terminal open (but close it when you leave your computer!). Hit F9 and arrow over to it.
"Dock-flip"
Access another dock @ the click of a mouse!
doublem9876
2006-03-09, 20:38
Oh Ireland, you and your ideas. "What's the Limit?"
World Leader Pretend
2006-03-09, 20:54
You know, the genius of Apple computer is that everything is simple to look at, but powerful and efficient. Most of the Green Isles' ideas seem to be about making things more complex and graphics intensive. While this is a cool thing for a while, it can be RAM hungry.
I appreciate people coming up with new and fresh ideas, but we need to take a step back and consider all of the downsides of the proposals.
I Love Lamp
2006-03-09, 21:17
If we're going to go with total 3D environments, we might as well go all the way and use the operating system Tom Cruise uses in 'Minority Report'.
http://www.donnarosenartists.com/artists/dale-rutter/big-art/minority-report.jpg
Uber interactivity!
I have a feeling it'll be even more confusing-
Everthing it does now, but faster, better and sleeker.
doublem9876
2006-03-09, 22:18
That's more like it, Ireland!
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