View Full Version : More products than just the new imac at Paris?
Quagmire
2004-08-24, 16:38
Ai reports apple is quietly preparing new products for next week and start to show Monday evening.( the evening part smells fishy to me) We all know the ibooks are closing in on there update time. But, the ibooks will not go faster unless the pbooks go faster. We all know apple used the cram and jam promotion in the past to get inventory out and screw the people who just bought the notebooks and intro new ibooks and pbooks. What chip will the pbook have if it is refreshed at Paris? The only other G4 chip we know that is being developed is freescales dual core G4. But, they said that they are not going to show a prototype intill October. So the only chip is available is the G5. So will we see G5 pbooks at Paris? What other products do you think could be released? There is still those Powerbook numbers(7,1 and 7,2) and that Pmac number(9,1). Could we see a cube2? A 20th anniversary Mac?
http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=613
Messiahtosh
2004-08-24, 17:38
A modular Mac may make a debut, along with the iMac, but I wouldnt hold my breath for it.
Messiahtosh
2004-08-24, 17:43
We could see the introduction of the next iSight video camera.
Maybe something will incorporate the 60 GB micro drive that Apple has apparently been buying up.
Messiahtosh
2004-08-24, 17:55
Also interesting is the fact that the place we do not speak of, is saying that the iMac will sport a aluminum/chrome motif...consistent with my source, and reported by me in a thread over a month ago.
http://forums.applenova.com/showthread.php?t=971
This is from AppleInsider's current report:
In addition to previously published descriptions of the new all-in-one desktop, tipsters added that the iMac G5 would sport an aluminum and chrome motif; a scheme consistent with the majority of the company's current hardware offerings.
You can eat your hats, after the intro.
Barracuda
2004-08-24, 23:04
I think the new G5 iMac will be based on the same half-dome form factor as the current one; with the same *Brilliant* chrome arm, but it will be anodized aluminum and available in iPod mini colors...and the display will be very similar to the newly introduced Cinema Displays, ie: aluminum with white sides.
The only chrome part will be the Apple logo and of course the arm.
This will be a very compelling product!
I don't beleive the pizza-box rumors...Apple invested too much money into the chrome arm and it's exceptionally functional and gorgeous at the same time! There were rumors that it was expensive to produce that arm....but after time, the production costs naturally come down, so I think Apple would be smart to keep it. However, I would like for the display to have a little more "angle up" ability for the sight impaired. (My mom has glaucoma, and that is the only thing she didn't like about the iMac...if only she could tilt the display at an angle where the display is more like the angle you would read a book, then that would be a HUGE improvement
for her).
Since the G5 chips emit so much heat, I doubt the form factor will be smaller. There is a chance it might not be a half dome...but I don't think there is any other more elegant or functional solution; a more box-like computer would look really bad...so my bet is that they keep the half dome.
There may be more accessable USB, Firewire & headphone outlets on the front and possibly slot loading drive, which might give more room in the internals for the cooling system.
I would be very happy with a machine like that! (just as long as they are at the same price points as the last range of iMacs!)
As far as the "other products"...it's anyone's guess...I think something is coming though, and it's the perfect time of year to launch a whole new product! It used to be "killer" apps...but I think it will be another "killer" Digital Life Device. If Apple had something with the same "joie de vivre" as the iPod, they would really be on a roll! It would also give them some successful breathing room while G5 production continues to ramp up!
oh...and one more thing...I think we'll still get our Steve fix and he will be on iChat AV with Phil. :D
pscates2.0
2004-08-24, 23:08
I see an orange 6GB iPod mini on the horizon...
And some new iPod/automotive products and announcements. And some sort of AirPort Express/iTunes remote solution.
And a big honkin' secret that'll knock everyone's eyes out.
Barracuda
2004-08-24, 23:20
Orange? :eek: You could be right...iPod mini's prolly will be bumped up, too.
Same with your other predictions...they have a distinct chance of reality in Paris, including the surprise!
I don't know when it will happen, but I think the next iBooks will take on the iPod mini likeness which you superbly rendered for us a while back, Pscates!
The rounded edges and anodized aluminum colors will be the "new white" (talked elsewhere on here), for consumer products. The iMac G5 will be the first to implement this scheme. iBooks to follow.
I don't think we'll see any new iPod Minis until demand for the current ones has cooled. I'd really like the Paris Expo to be more about computers and less about music. Let's see that modular Mac of which Messiahtosh spoke! :eek:
Barracuda
2004-08-25, 00:30
I agree...more about computers! It's TIME!
iPods: New iPm colors - likely, 60GB iP - possible, 6 GB iPm - possible but unlikely, iPm price drop - possible but unlikely.
Desktops: iMG5 - given, PMG5 speed bump - possible but unlikely, lower-end headless Mac - hopeful but unlikely.
Notebooks: PBG4 speed bump - possible, some sort of weird new portable (7,1/7,2) - possible, PBG5 - you're dreaming, pal.
Other: Something to celebrate 20 years of Mac - likely, something to suprise us - hopefully!
I have no clue what will be announced at the Paris Apple Expo. As long as Phil (or Steve via iChat AV) reveals the new iMac G5, I will be happy. What I can say is...
Less than 6 days to go!
Let's keep up the countdown tradition. ;)
Escher
pscates2.0
2004-08-25, 09:38
Less than 6 days to go!
Let's keep up the countdown tradition.
If, by that, you mean everyone goes half nuts and posts 230 "teh iMacG5 specs...what I expect" threads by Saturday afternoon, followed with whining and bitching about a product that isn't even out yet, let's not, shall we?
:lol:
The other place tends to have that to spare in their Future Hardware forum.
:eek: :rolleyes:
bassplayinMacFiend
2004-08-25, 11:16
If, by that, you mean everyone goes half nuts and posts 230 "teh iMacG5 specs...what I expect" threads by Saturday afternoon, followed with whining and bitching about a product that isn't even out yet, let's not, shall we?
:lol:
The other place tends to have that to spare in their Future Hardware forum.
:eek: :rolleyes:
If nothing else, it's been an exciting debate. For all my posts in other future hardware forums, the discussion hasn't raised my blood pressure. I like to know what other macheads hope/desire/expect from Apple when they release the new iMac. Apple was probably more direct than it's ever been when they put the little, "Sorry, we're out of stock. Please refresh your browser in 2 months to see the new iMac." blurb on the iMac page then they've ever been.
Probably the closest to this was the, "Way beyond the rumor sites, way beyond" stuff they pulled for the release of iMac2.
Seeing as my Mazda Protege will be sold on Friday, I happen to have a windfall of cash coming right when new Apple hardware comes out. So all of a sudden, I have a much higher level of interest in Apple's new offerings then I would've say, oh a week or so ago.
unixguru
2004-08-25, 13:07
Notebooks: PBG4 speed bump - possible, some sort of weird new portable (7,1/7,2) - possible, PBG5 - you're dreaming, pal.
I don't know that the PBG5 will be announced at the expo, but the Powerbook 7,1 and 7,2 are MacRISC4 architecture, according to the plist in OS 10.3.5. MacRISC4 is, without question, the G5 architecture. The only two released MacRISC4 machines are the PowerMac G5 and the XServe G5, that's it. The iMacG5 (PowerMac8,1) is a MacRISC4 machine also.
In addition to that, I don't think people that are hoping for a PBG5 are dreaming anymore. If support in the latest OS isn't enough evidence, Norman Rohrer, the IBM engineer who designed the PowerPC 970FX, said that PowerTune brings the chip's power consumption into a range that would allow it to be used in a notebook computer. In fact, he almost comes right out and says that Powertune was added at the request of a customer so it could be put in a notebook. (eWeek interview)
Powertune allows the processor to scale frequencies in a single clock cycle. It can even enter a deep nap state where it uses just 1 watt of power.
Then there's the statement made last year by Jobs, where he said that they would like to have a PBG5 done by about this time this year. I don't think that carries as much weight, as it only says, "We would like to," but it still gives an idea of plans, which have to be made way in advance.
Messiahtosh
2004-08-25, 13:52
This is circulating now.
http://spinbox.techtracker.com/DA/6615/totem_apple_expo_pro_uk.gif
DMBand0026
2004-08-25, 14:08
"A supercomputer in your lap" ???
<crosses fingers>
Quagmire
2004-08-25, 14:08
iBooks can't get a speedbump intill the pbook does. There has only been one faster G4 announcement which was a dual core G4 by freescale. That won't be ready to ship in quantity intill at least spring 05. Apple isn't going to allow their notebook lines go stale a year. That code posted by Unixguru seems a confirmation that the next rev of the pbook is G5. The latest apple can push the ibook refresh is January. I think by January that 10.3.6 will be out. So those pbook numbers will rather have to show up at paris, they had a problem and got delayed, or apple was pulling our leg.
Messiahtosh
2004-08-25, 14:24
I'm thinking PowerBook too, regardless of how many people will say this is in reference to an iMac.
That banner certainly does make you think laptop... it wouldn't be:
A supercomputer on your desk.
And then:
A slightly slower, esthetically pleasing AIO supercomputer on your other desk.
Would it?
:p
Messiahtosh
2004-08-25, 16:41
A supercomputer on your wall? haha i dont know
Wall-mounted iMacs? :smokey:
I'm thinking PowerBook too, regardless of how many people will say this is in reference to an iMac.
The end of that line could be, "a supercomputer in your home."
I just don't see how they could've worked out the cooling issues yet. I'd be afraid to set a PBG5 on my lap. MacDonald's wouldn't be the only one with a severe lap-burns lawsuit in their past. :lol:
Messiahtosh
2004-08-25, 17:12
Don't homes have desks? Arent desks where every desktop computer goes? Maybe floors too, but you see what I'm saying?
The only way they could say "now a supercomputer in your home" is if the tag line says something like, "You dont need an office budget to afford a supercomputer anymore."
colonelforbin
2004-08-25, 17:31
This is circulating now.
http://spinbox.techtracker.com/DA/6615/totem_apple_expo_pro_uk.gif
where's it circulating? do we know it's real?
pscates2.0
2004-08-25, 17:39
What about "a supercomputer in your pants"? Could that mean something?
Anyway, that's an interesting banner. I would, however, feel better about it if I could see it in context (say on Apple's site or whatever). Goodness knows any puddinghead with Photoshop and 5 minutes can pretty much create whatever he wants...
;)
A supercomputer on your desk...
Yes, the logical flip-side to that is indeed "now a supercomputer in your lap" or whatever. Surely not! :eek:
Then again, maybe the wall thing has an angle? What if the new iMac was indeed just a big damn slab, meant to be stuck on the wall? Since it's not on your desk and won't be viewed as much from all angles, the whole "glomming the guts onto the back of the display" thing isn't as offensive and problematic...all you're going to see is the display.
However, the problem with this is the lack of convenience to reach the optical drive or USB/FireWire ports. Not to mention the fact that not everyone has their computer desk up against their wall. What about all those people with desks or tables sitting in the center of a room, not against a wall?
I don't know.
Messiahtosh
2004-08-25, 17:52
I grabbed that banner from AppleInsider...but I think I can confirm that it's real...
It came from this link: http://spinbox.techtracker.com/DA/6615/totem_apple_expo_pro_uk.gif and if you go to http://spinbox.techtracker.com you can see that site seems to be an ad hosting place of some sort.
Messiahtosh
2004-08-25, 17:59
Also kind of cool is http://www.apple.com/fr/
It may take a couple refreshes.
I grabbed that banner from AppleInsider...but I think I can confirm that it's real...
It came from this link: http://spinbox.techtracker.com/DA/6615/totem_apple_expo_pro_uk.gif and if you go to http://spinbox.techtracker.com you can see that site seems to be an ad hosting place of some sort.
Click here for the wide-screen version...
http://spinbox.techtracker.com/DA/6614/
Dave
Quagmire
2004-08-25, 20:54
Also kind of cool is http://www.apple.com/fr/
It may take a couple refreshes.
I couldn't make it pop up. I tried like 15 times.
Messiahtosh
2004-08-25, 21:03
I couldn't make it pop up. I tried like 15 times.Haha, I was talking about the fact that the French store is advertising for the Paris Expo. The french writing says something like, "A world of solutions," and "will you be there?"
Sorry if you thought I meant there was something else to see.
Quagmire
2004-08-25, 21:05
Haha, I was talking about the fact that the French store is advertising for the Paris Expo. The french writing says something like, "A world of solutions," and "will you be there?"
Sorry if you thought I meant there was something else to see.
I thought it was that banner you posted.(in the wide screen version dave linked to)
unixguru
2004-08-25, 22:37
The end of that line could be, "a supercomputer in your home."
I just don't see how they could've worked out the cooling issues yet. I'd be afraid to set a PBG5 on my lap. MacDonald's wouldn't be the only one with a severe lap-burns lawsuit in their past. :lol:
I have desk in my home, as do many people. I'm sitting at my desk right now. The only thing that makes sense is "a supercomputer on your lap".
I just happened to think of something else too. I know most people take a look at the heat sinks on the Power Mac G5 and say, "There's no way that's going into a notebook!!!" But have you looked at the heat sinks on a PowerMac G4? They're pretty big too! In the portables, though, more of the chip's power-saving features were implemented.
I also think that the heat sinks for a 1.8Ghz 970FX are probably overkill. At 2.0 Ghz, the 970FX has an average consumption of 24.5 watts, and I'm sure that's without PowerTune. At 1.4Ghz, it consumes 12 watts. The MPC7447A, used in the current Powerbooks, consumes 20W at 1.42Ghz; more, but no telling how much more, at 1.5Ghz. I would guess a few watts more, putting it right in the same range as the 970FX. In fact, in all probability, the 970FX consumes less power at 1.8Ghz than an MPC7447A would. Enable Powertune, and you've got a Powerful notebook with the same cooling requirements and battery life as the current G4 models. If you're just word processing, PowerTune could likely cut processor power consumption by half or more.
I just find it really hard to dismiss the new Platform Extension plist in 10.3.5.
Either way, my money's on a 1.8Ghz Powerbook G5 by the end of the year. And with these banners, apparently real, I'm thinking Powerbook G5 annoucement in Paris!
Messiahtosh
2004-08-25, 23:14
What if the iMac/PowerBook lines merge? Kinda cool.
I mean, the two cross paths in terms of price range, so why not make the iMac/Powerbook into one line?
The eMac can be the AIO.
iBook is the low end portable.
Make an all new modular towerMac to fit where the old price range of the iMac was.
Keep the PowerMac as the top tier desktop.
Seems to work, no?
I don't know. How portable could you make it? Not portable enough I think. Your talking about some sort of middle ground that isn't covered by the PowerBook. What would this mystical combo have that the PowerBook doesn't? I am afraid it would make it un-portable. I don't... remember what I was trying to say tho. I think you are trying too hard to come up with a new, ultra weird concept.
In my opinion Apple should look into some sub-notebooks. But this is a different story.
Messiahtosh
2004-08-26, 00:02
Ultra weird?
AIO desktops are just big-ass laptops.
iBook-portable and inexpensive from $1100
iMac-Portable and from $1400-$2700
ModuMac-Expandable, headless, cheap at $1000
eMac-AIO desktop for schools and such $799
PowerMac-desktop from $1999
I don't see how the iMac is portable at all? It doesn't even have a battery.
Messiahtosh
2004-08-26, 00:09
I don't see how the iMac is portable at all? It doesn't even have a battery.It has laptop components, an LCD, and has a small footprint, is expensive as hell right now, and is all-in-one, just like laptops.
Just rid of the iMac and make it the next PowerBook, call it an iMac though. Slap a G5 in there and replace the old iMac's spot with a modularMac.
bborofka
2004-08-26, 00:28
What if the iMac/PowerBook lines merge? Kinda cool.
I mean, the two cross paths in terms of price range, so why not make the iMac/Powerbook into one line?
The eMac can be the AIO.
iBook is the low end portable.
Make an all new modular towerMac to fit where the old price range of the iMac was.
Keep the PowerMac as the top tier desktop.
Seems to work, no?
This is what people (well, me at least) have been clamoring for all over here and AI. Everyone that is an advocate for LCD AIO designs, especially for the upcoming iMac, can you not see the similarities between the PoweBook and the iMac? They are so strikingly similar, I fail to see why we even need the latter. I think Mac users feel the same too, which is why they're buying more 'books and less iMacs, according to Apple's sales statistics. Unlike the iMac, you can get a space-saving, integrated LCD all-in-one design and portability.
The iMac should be phased out and its price-point replaced by a PowerMac G5 Express. Apple should remember why people use desktop PCs on their desk: because they have space for a computer and a monitor of their choice, want affordability and flexibility.
bborofka
2004-08-26, 00:37
It has laptop components, an LCD, and has a small footprint, is expensive as hell right now, and is all-in-one, just like laptops.
So it's basically just a laptop except it's not portable. And doesn't cover the qualities like small footprint, integration, attached LCD as well as a PowerBook. And we wonder why more and more Mac users are buying laptops instead of iMacs?
Just rid of the iMac and make it the next PowerBook, call it an iMac though. Slap a G5 in there and replace the old iMac's spot with a modularMac.
Why call it an iMac? PowerBook has been around longer and the name is more fitting. Replace the $1000-$2000 range with a minitower PowerMac G5 Express.
Messiahtosh
2004-08-26, 01:07
Sure, call it a PowerBook and the new modular mini tower can be called the iMac.
Wow, after seeing that banner Messiahtosh posted...well, if it's legit, bump PBG5 from "you're dreaming, pal" to "Jobs actually CARES!!!" :D
Seriously, though, that banner really, really hints at a "supercomputer for anywhere."
I didn't think we'd see a G5 in a Powerbook until January's Macworld, but if that ad is for real, I might be very happily suprised.
Of course, leave it to Apple to tease like that and get all our hopes up and then say "...now, a supercomputer for UNDER your desk!!! Oh, and G5 Powerbooks in 2005."
:D
Maybe they'll give us some kind of 17" G5 PB tablet with a docking station / stand to make it look like a cinema display... :p
AlmostBoughtaLisa
2004-08-26, 07:05
Maybe they'll give us some kind of 17" G5 PB tablet with a docking station / stand to make it look like a cinema display... :p
Now you're talkin'! :D It could even be made to be used with an optional VESA-compliant mount adapter (http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?productLearnMore=M9649G/A) so you could mount it on a wall or an articulating arm.
"A Supercomputer on your Desk. Next? A Supercomputer..."
... in your Briefcase
or
... in your Hand
or
... in your Car
or
... on your Wall
or maybe even all of the above.
The large tablet form factor could do all of these. And Steve has said that he is not interested in PDAs because he doesn't think they have the power people really need. A tablet Mac (iPad?) would.
This is not entirely wishful thinking (another rumor site has discussed Apple's interest in touch-sensitive/tablet screens), but if forced to bet money on what will be unveiled in Paris, I admit I'd put it on a G5 PB.
For me, ergonomics outweigh portability. Since a non insignificant number of people share this preference, laptops will never 'replace' non-portable computers.
However I too hope that the banners allude to a G5book. :)
Messiahtosh
2004-08-26, 09:04
For me, ergonomics outweigh portability. Since a non insignificant number of people share this preference, laptops will never 'replace' non-portable computers.
However I too hope that the banners allude to a G5book. :)But laptops could replace AIOs, because of the similarity in components, overall size, and price.
For me, ergonomics outweigh portability. Since a non insignificant number of people share this preference, laptops will never 'replace' non-portable computers.
However I too hope that the banners allude to a G5book. :)
According to my idea (A 17" G5 PB Tablet on a stand) ergonomics wouldn't be such an issue since the stand / docking station could have it's own full size keyboard /mouse with the PB keyboard folded up behind the screen when its on the stand - maybe someone needs to try and make a mock up of this... :)
Messiahtosh
2004-08-26, 09:34
According to my idea (A 17" G5 PB Tablet on a stand) ergonomics wouldn't be such an issue since the stand / docking station could have it's own full size keyboard /mouse with the PB keyboard folded up behind the screen when its on the stand - maybe someone needs to try and make a mock up of this... :)Everything would be vertically mounted...at this point, why not just make it a laptop...ridiculous.
If Apple makes an AIO yet again, it needs to be designed like one, which means something similar to the current iMac.
Messiahtosh
2004-08-26, 09:56
http://homepage.mac.com/ihepworth/.cv/ihepworth/Sites/.Pictures/DCP_1763.jpg-thumb_269_202.jpg Over at AI this is being talked about. What the hell is it? It's surely not an Apple Cinema display, is it? I thought it might be at first, of course, but look at the positioning of the Apple logo.
http://homepage.mac.com/ihepworth/PhotoAlbum1.html
pscates2.0
2004-08-26, 10:03
That Apple logo is at the top, isn't it? What the hell is that? :confused:
It it was a Cinema Display it would have the white sides, right? At first I was looking at it, as though the logo were on the bottom, but if you tilt your head to the left, the Apple logo is more recognizable, making it at the top.
:err:
That's that black rubber-y flooring too. I was trying to place that as well (a restroom at an Apple Store?).
:p
Everything would be vertically mounted...at this point, why not just make it a laptop...ridiculous.
Because you don't always want your screen at desktop level, you don't always want your keyboard attached...
All I was suggesting was they could make one thing - a PB tablet type thing - but give it the ergonomics of an AIO (good posture, nice floaty screen etc) with a stand and external keyboard - if you want... (I guess maybe you don't :D )
Messiahtosh
2004-08-26, 10:09
Because you don't always want your screen at desktop level, you don't always want your keyboard attached...
All I was suggesting was they could make one thing - a PB tablet type thing - but give it the ergonomics of an AIO (good posture, nice floaty screen etc) with a stand and external keyboard - if you want... (I guess maybe you don't :D )USB keyboards, PowerBook risers. Case closed.
Messiahtosh
2004-08-26, 10:09
That Apple logo is at the top, isn't it? What the hell is that? :confused:
It it was a Cinema Display it would have the white sides, right? At first I was looking at it, as though the logo were on the bottom, but if you tilt your head to the left, the Apple logo is more recognizable, making it at the top.
:err:
That's that black rubber-y flooring too. I was trying to place that as well (a restroom at an Apple Store?).
:pYeah, the logo is at the top! So this is definitely not an ACD.
IF that really is the new iMac, that's Dull. Bigtime.
Where's the Apple flair? I know they like simple, but I think they've taken it a bit too literally. When you work out it's size from the skirting board and the rubber flooring (those circles are about an inch in diameter), I guess that's conceivably the 20" screen.
...On the other hand, someone has taken an old LCD & made a great fake with a plastic/card bezel around it!
Messiahtosh
2004-08-26, 12:26
http://homepage.mac.com/ihepworth/.Pictures/DCP_1764.jpg
bassplayinMacFiend
2004-08-26, 12:27
http://homepage.mac.com/ihepworth/.cv/ihepworth/Sites/.Pictures/DCP_1763.jpg-thumb_269_202.jpg Over at AI this is being talked about. What the hell is it? It's surely not an Apple Cinema display, is it? I thought it might be at first, of course, but look at the positioning of the Apple logo.
http://homepage.mac.com/ihepworth/PhotoAlbum1.html
The url http://homepage.mac.com/ihepworth/PhotoAlbum1.html , is dead now. What does that mean? Anything?
pscates2.0
2004-08-26, 12:36
Why can't this knob simply take a picture of the #%@%! box OR lay the damn thing down and get a GOOD, straight-on pic of it and dispense with all the weird-angle, blurry, hoax-y looking nonsense?
:rolleyes:
He's there, with a camera supposedly. Quit screwing around and take a picture of the box where it says "iMac G5" or whatnot.
I could take my digital camera here at work, take a couple shots of my G4 tower at a weird enough angle and blur/finesse the result in Photoshop and have everyone here thinking it's the new G6 iBook...
:D
:rolleyes:
This is getting lame...
Slowly-offered "tease" pics, I call 'em. A real person, onto a REAL product, would take the sorts of pics that actually confirm/proove everything.
Think about it and use common sense...
NosferaDrew
2004-08-26, 12:37
The Apple logo on the side of that box isn't even centered.
Apple has more attention to detail than that.
I smell PhotoShop.
Messiahtosh
2004-08-26, 12:46
Yeah, this is pretty fucking weird....though the Apple logo on my PowerBook box is not centered, it's about 1/3 of the way up from the bottom when the box is standing straight up and down.
colonelforbin
2004-08-26, 12:47
if this is real, could it just be a new metal-coloured 17" display?
The Apple logo on the side of that box isn't even centered.
Apple has more attention to detail than that.
I smell PhotoShop.
Ugh...
Never seen the side of an iBook box or a PowerBook box then have ya?
Logo isn't centered it's offset a few inches from the bottom of the box. The box is intended to 'stand' upright (or tall). I'm not saying this is 'for real' but the logo was NOT photoshoped on the cardboard box. That much I know.
Dave
Messiahtosh
2004-08-26, 13:39
http://homepage.mac.com/elmacintismo/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2004-08-26%2011.34.20%20-0700/Image-785BE3EEF78E11D8.jpg
If it was real, we'd have glimpsed the expansion connectors somewhere - they wouldn't all live on the bottom/right hand side (as we are looking at it).
Fake.
baltimacguy
2004-08-26, 14:30
The fact that the .mac site where the picture was hosted is shut down is still somewhat curious, don't you think? :err:
I almost hope that is the real thing (I doubt it though). Because that would make my new computer decision easy. I probably wouldn't get that and would instead get a nice used iMac G4 so I can have my upgrade fix and then wait for the new PB G5.
MacRGood4U
2004-08-26, 15:26
Before every big Apple event, just like clockwork, an image pops up on the 'net purporting to be something "new". It's always rather poorly photographed and somewhat awkwardly postioned so it isn't really clear what the hell it is. Phony.
Ive just realised: The polystyrene top of the packaging has a protrusion that would probably snap/crack the screen if the box was dropped. That isn't how Apple/anybody makes this kind of polystyrene packaging - well, not for the device in the picture anyway (top lid of the Powerbook yes, Open LCD, No).
Ive just realised: The polystyrene top of the packaging has a protrusion that would probably snap/crack the screen if the box was dropped. That isn't how Apple/anybody makes this kind of polystyrene packaging - well, not for the device in the picture anyway (top lid of the Powerbook yes, Open LCD, No).
Funny, I realized the same thing a few hours ago and someone was good enough to correct my vision... it's not a tab or protrusion its just the bunched up white protective 'cloth' thats used to protect the device (Apple uses the stuff on most hardware/displays they ship). Look at it again but change the part of the polystyrene your focusing on and you'll see.
Eyes can play tricks on ya...
(still leaning towards hoax tho)
Dave
My take? They could just as easily be real or fake. There is nothing in those pictures that can settle the matter conclusively.
It looks exactly like I was expecting the new iMac to look, like the new Al displays but with a slight hump in the back and perhaps a different stand. But like I said, they could just as easily be fakes. Convincing images are trivial to create when examined only at low resolution.
As years go by and I see more and more of these threads... this game and it's zealous participants become even more amusing. :lol:
I have desk in my home, as do many people. I'm sitting at my desk right now.
People have desks at home? Really? Gee, thanks everyone for clarifying that for me. :rolleyes:
My point was that the top of the banner showed a PowerMac (professional line, purposed for work enivironments). I don't think it's unreasonable to think that they'd be making a comparison with their iMac (non-professional line, purposed for home use) products.
If the G5 iMac was delayed partly because of heat issues, how does that bode for the timeline of any future PBG5? I may be proved wrong, but I just don't see it any time soon.
Quagmire
2004-08-26, 18:20
People have desks at home? Really? Gee, thanks everyone for clarifying that for me. :rolleyes:
My point was that the top of the banner showed a PowerMac (professional line, purposed for work enivironments). I don't think it's unreasonable to think that they'd be making a comparison with their iMac (non-professional line, purposed for home use) products.
If the G5 iMac was delayed partly because of heat issues, how does that bode for the timeline of any future PBG5? I may be proved wrong, but I just don't see it any time soon.
Key word is partly. Yes, heat did have a play in the delay. But, not as much as the yields I would presume. Also with the pbook numbers 7,1 and 7,2 and the MacRISC4 architecture pointing to pbook G5. You can not fight the evidence presented. Sure it could be apple pulling our legs but, will apple really do that?
What is more interesting to me is the Powermac 9,1. What is it? A cube2? 20th anniversary Mac? Could it be both mixed together?
alcimedes
2004-08-26, 18:29
that looks like an iBook box or 12" powerbook box with some other monitor in it.
if you look, the styrofoam is cut to fit a smaller shape that what's supposedly being pulled out of the box.
whatever they're holding didn't come in that box, i'm sure it's a hoax.
Can some kind mod PLEEEZE fix the thread title? I've ignored it as long as I could stand...but now I'm about to pop a vein. :mad:
On topic:
Why couldn't this be part of the new iMac? Maybe the new iMac isn't an AIO unit as we know it.
Monitors sold in 17,20 & 23" sizes...all attachable to the same base unit. Pick your base by Ghz/extras and choose your screen size. Items shipped separately.
I could take my digital camera here at work, take a couple shots of my G4 tower at a weird enough angle and blur/finesse the result in Photoshop and have everyone here thinking it's the new G6 iBook...
:lol: LOL. That's exactly what all this garbage is, pscates.
The shark feeding frenzy before a big Apple event still cracks me up. I mean, people are actually eating out of Messiahtosh's hand. He's got everybody wrapped around his little finger. ;)
I'll believe it when I see it, next Tuesday in Paris.
Escher
Messiahtosh
2004-08-26, 19:04
:lol: LOL. That's exactly what all this garbage is, pscates.
The shark feeding frenzy before a big Apple event still cracks me up. I mean, people are actually eating out of Messiahtosh's hand. He's got everybody wrapped around his little finger. ;)
I'll believe it when I see it, next Tuesday in Paris.
EscherOMG LOL :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quagmire
2004-08-26, 19:08
Can some kind mod PLEEEZE fix the thread title? I've ignored it as long as I could stand...but now I'm about to pop a vein. :mad:
What is wrong with the title? It was an ai report of the possibilty of more products then just the imac at paris. Then the thread took another direction in interest. The title was relevant to the beginning post.
alcimedes
2004-08-26, 19:12
no, it was "then", i changed it to "than".
it was incorrect english, nothing else.
NosferaDrew
2004-08-26, 19:16
Ugh...
Never seen the side of an iBook box or a PowerBook box then have ya?
Logo isn't centered it's offset a few inches from the bottom of the box. The box is intended to 'stand' upright (or tall). I'm not saying this is 'for real' but the logo was NOT photoshoped on the cardboard box. That much I know.
Dave
You and Messiahtosh are right. Sorry about that.
I just got home and looked at my iBook and PB boxes. I was thinking about the Cinema Display box which has the logo pretty much centered on one side.
Anyway, I still think it's fake. pscates said it - why the hell would someone standing right next to the box take two or more pics at pretty much the same angle?
Why? Because it's a fake, non-Apple product or mock up created simply to ignite threads and forums like this.
Quagmire
2004-08-26, 19:18
no, it was "then", i changed it to "than".
it was incorrect english, nothing else.
Okay. Thanks for correcting me then alcimedes and 709. I need to take things better. I had no idea what he meant.
alcimedes
2004-08-26, 19:26
np, i had to read it twice before i saw it. :D
mongrelcat
2004-08-26, 22:12
I hoping for a product other than imac.
Logic 7?!?! *drools*
torifile
2004-08-26, 22:17
Anyone have the banner shot anywhere? It's gone now.
Messiahtosh
2004-08-26, 22:40
Anyone have the banner shot anywhere? It's gone now.?
http://spinbox.techtracker.com/DA/6615/totem_apple_expo_pro_uk.gif
?
I suspect that the problem is that he, like I, had blocked the spinbox domain because it only feeds ads. Thus he didn't see it and I attached it.
However, the problem with this is the lack of convenience to reach the optical drive or USB/FireWire ports. Not to mention the fact that not everyone has their computer desk up against their wall. What about all those people with desks or tables sitting in the center of a room, not against a wall?
Industry-standard mounting surface?
Perhaps Apple could engineer such a mount that would incorporate an articulated arm? Attach it to a wall or edge of a desk, run USB/Firewire/network/power down the inside of the arm, and have the ability to move the whole thing forward and back with the same ease the current iMac offers?
Messiahtosh
2004-08-26, 23:09
I suspect that the problem is that he, like I, had blocked the spinbox domain because it only feeds ads. Thus he didn't see it and I attached it.Gotcha. Now go and make that 600th post! :D
A supercomputer on your desk
next?
A supercomputer under your hospital bed!
;)
Messiahtosh
2004-08-27, 09:23
The image is a fake IMO. Look at this Lacie display....
http://www.streetwise.com.au/images/site_images/accessories/lacie_arm.jpg
BenRoethig
2004-08-27, 10:55
I don't know if it's real or not. However, I do think that's about what we're getting.
unixguru
2004-08-27, 11:02
The image is a fake IMO. Look at this Lacie display....
http://www.streetwise.com.au/images/site_images/accessories/lacie_arm.jpg
Wow, good sluething. I'm inclined to agree with you.
pscates2.0
2004-08-27, 11:06
I think Paris is going to be where that month-ago Think Secret talk of orange, purple and yellow iPod minis comes into play.
:eek:
Granted, Apple can't seem to make enough blue, silver, green, pink and gold ones yet, but...what the hell. Colors is purty.
:D
If an orange 6GB model came to be, I might be forced to part with my 3G 15GB...I'll make someone here a good deal.
My friend works at a hospital and he found this under Steve's bed.
It's got an Ati graphics card don't ya know. :lol:
http://idisk.mac.com/bobenstien/public/spoofsmall.jpg
We have got to stop doing this to ourselves.
Messiahtosh
2004-08-27, 12:20
Wow, good sluething. I'm inclined to agree with you.Wow, that's a first....someone agrees wi....flat lining..... :D
Wow, that's a first....someone agrees wi....flat lining..... :D
Step away from the defibrillator. HE'S GOT A DNR! :lol:
pscates2.0
2004-08-27, 12:24
My friend works at a hospital and he found this under Steve's bed.
It's got an Ati graphics card don't ya know. :lol:
http://idisk.mac.com/bobenstien/public/spoofsmall.jpg
We have got to stop doing this to ourselves.
:D
Hey, what is that though? It does look kinda neat (and, in the white box and all, seems more "iMac-y". :p
If you hadn't tipped your hand, you could've got this one going. SO much nicer than the DeGaulle airport one. :rolleyes:
If the above pic had more appropriate background/surroundings (and obviously not someone's bedroom or whatever), I'd almost be taken by it!
:eek:
Messiahtosh
2004-08-27, 12:27
It's a Gamecube, aint it? Yeah, I'm pretty sure.
It's a Gamecube, aint it? Yeah, I'm pretty sure.
Yup, It's a gamecube sitting on a targus usb powered laptop cooling pad. Just goofing off this morning.
pscates2.0
2004-08-27, 12:36
Well it's VERY convincing (then again, I don't know what a Game Cube looks like). Posted at the right place, this could create a 54-page thread.
:lol:
MacRGood4U
2004-08-27, 13:46
The MacObserver has posted this photo of the Expo under construction. The black drape means that indeed something new is coming. Looks kinda big to be an iMac though. :D
http://www.themacobserver.com/article/2004/08/parisone.jpg
MacRGood4U
2004-08-27, 14:02
That "iMac" on the floor of an elevator is probably a plasma screen used by Apple to display endless loop movie presentations. Surface is too shiny to be a computer screen. (These comments from a wise poster somewhere).
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/phillip_briggs/images/pic1.jpg
http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=16642
hobbit.2
2004-08-27, 14:58
usurp, those pics look soooo fake. :rolleyes:
Looks like someone put a Sony or Samsung 19" or 21" LCD monitor into an empty PowerBook box and then photoshoped the original logo off and the Apple logo on.
Messiahtosh
2004-08-27, 15:17
The MacObserver has posted this photo of the Expo under construction. The black drape means that indeed something new is coming. Looks kinda big to be an iMac though. :D
http://www.themacobserver.com/article/2004/08/parisone.jpgThere's rooom for about 4 iMacs on there, probably each different colors or possibly different beauty shot angles of one product.
LudwigVan
2004-08-27, 16:22
That "iMac" on the floor of an elevator is probably a plasma screen used by Apple to display endless loop movie presentations. Surface is too shiny to be a computer screen. (These comments from a wise poster somewhere).
Credit where credit is due. As quoted in the thread over at AI:
Friends, I think I know what this is.
It's the side view that gives it away. This isn't a computer, or a display, but a TV.
The Apple Stores have been redecorating a bit over the last few months, an the new scheme includes wall-mounted plasma displays that show ads, or do demos, that sort of thing.
I think that's what this is: a wall-mounted TV screen, headed to some Apple store. Or I suppose it could be headed to the Apple booth at the Expo, where it will play endless loops of iPod commercials or Steve Jobs's Greatest Hits.
That's why the packaging is unmarked and unguarded. It's just for Apple's own internal use, and not a secret product. It's not a "product" at all; just a display device.
Whaddayathink?
Victor
HP just released a plasma screen today. Maybe Apple is releasing one also. Although this is too small for a plasma screen. Could be a new interactive display or something..
Messiahtosh
2004-08-28, 18:25
Philbot admitted that the whole thing was a hoax. It WAS the Lacie display in a box.
MacRGood4U
2004-08-28, 18:49
Philbot admitted that the whole thing was a hoax. It WAS the Lacie display in a box.
I think the whole thing was funny. Gullible Mac fans wanting to believe anything. There were so many clues that it wasn't what it was represented to be, but damn logical thinking. One of the biggest to my thinking was that Apple never tried to stop the photos from being published. I'm afraid there may be some disappointment when the actual new iMac is revealed. Nothing can live up to the hype/anticipation/hope. Remember when Apple tried the pre-release hype route with the LCD iMac?. When it was unveiled by SJ the silence was deafening at the Keynote. I have a prediction. SJ will make a surprise appearance via iChat to actually introduce the new iMac. 3 days.
Messiahtosh
2004-08-28, 19:12
I have a prediction. SJ will make a surprise appearance via iChat to actually introduce the new iMac. 3 days.Hi, my name is Messiahtosh, I don't believe I got your name...have we met? :confused:
:no: :p
"This message is hidden because Messiahtosh is on your ignore list."
Sweet, this ignore feature works great, in the "Preferences" button in the very top bar (when logged in).
Back on topic, I do enjoy these bogus leaks, but it does make the real ones harder to verify. Remember the G4 Powermac MDD pictures that someone snapped right at the assembly line? No one believed it could actually look like that. Also with the leaked schematic drawings of the same Powermac, with a massive heatsink and rear panel so full of holes that just couldn't be for real -- which it was. :lol:
AlmostBoughtaLisa
2004-08-30, 15:57
...if forced to bet money on what will be unveiled in Paris, I admit I'd put it on a G5 PB.
Please excuse me quoting myself, but I'm changing my bet... I think a Tablet Mac will be announced in Paris.
The Boy Who Cried ‘Mac Tablet' (http://blog.ziffdavis.com/rothenberg)
Euro filing reveals Apple 'handheld computer' (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/08/13/apple_tablet_mac/)
Apple contracts Quanta to build wireless display (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/04/14/apple_contracts_quanta_to_build/)
Digital Hubris: Apple's Tablet Computer Might Finally Be That Link Between Your PC and TV (http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20031127.html)
pscates2.0
2004-08-30, 16:22
At one time, I would've pooh-poohed that whole thing. But now? Gee, I don't know...
I don't think it would have to be G5-powered, just merely to be a wireless music/photo/e-mail/surfing/writing device.
Something like a 12-inch iBook, minus the body (rather, the body pooched onto the rear of the display). And there is that whole Inkwell thing.
People always say "PDAs are dead" or "the tablet thing sucks and is dead". But put it into this context: three years ago, would any of us have thought a simple little mp3 player from Apple would have this sort of impact? And what about the iSight?
"Aww man, it's a stupid web camera rumor...yeah, like I'm SURE Apple is going to make one of those...there are a million to choose from already!"
:eek:
The thing about Apple is they do it better than it's been done before. Just because Microsoft and goodness-knows-who-else couldn't do anything useful with a tablet type of device, consider one made by a company in the unique position of having everything in house: the hardware, OS and applications. Like the iPod - and to some extent, the iSight - what if Apple took a mundane, "been done before to no huge success" concept like a tablet and simply "did it right"?
Weirder, sillier things have happened.
It wouldn't surprise me, and for many people - if the price was reasonable and well, well under $1000 - what if something like this did all the things they needed done? Say, they already have a G5 or iMac or PowerBook...this would be more of an augmentation. A quick, snazzy way to keep in touch, keep stuff synced (AirPort and Bluetooth), check e-mail, store photo albums and music, etc.
Wireless Internet access is only getting MORE commonplace. What would you rather take to the coffee place: your PowerBook or a smaller, sleeker device that let you do just the things you'd typically do at a coffee house (surf, e-mail, chat, scribble some thoughts or a shopping list, read, etc.). And that's for people WITH iBooks or PowerBooks. What about G5, iMac and eMac owners? THEY'D be the ones that benefit because they'd have options other than full-blown Apple laptops to take out on the weekend, or on vacation, etc.
What became of those Toshiba 60GB drives we heard about several months ago?
:confused:
I could EASILY imagine something roughly 6x8 or even 8x10. Something that delivered on the promise of the Newton, and surpassed it - AND everything else out there - in such a way that Apple's OTHER 800 pound gorilla became this cool, sexy way to check your mail, send mail, take notes, store and display photos, store and view PDFs, lets you write letters and e-mails, surf the Web, play music, etc.
That's not a lame product, IMO. More kick-ass and beefy than a PDA, but not quite a full-blown iBook either. Something neat, in between. It wouldn't need to be a powerhouse, because it's not meant to be a full-blown computer. You wouldn't edit and work with photos and music as much as you'd simply display and organize them. And writing, surfing and e-mail can't possibly require much muscle. If it was FireWire (plus the other wireless options), you've got several ways to sync/mate it to your "real" Mac, before heading out. But you could also write and edit stuff once it's on there too (the handwriting thing). Wouldn't have to be full-blown OS X or iTunes, but rather a streamlined, simplified take on each, made to work solely on this device, to do what this device was intended to do? Kinda like the iPod interface. That's not OS X, but it lets you do what you need. An expansion of that idea, done up a bit prettier and OS X-LIKE. But not requiring the horsepower and graphics muscle Panther and Tiger do.
Thinking about something like THAT excites me more than a G5-based iMac, to be honest.
I tend to discount most "those things suck" or "they wouldn't get into that area" talk because, quite simply, Apple hasn't done it (translation: it hasn't been done right). Any company can certainly half-ass it, we know that. Name me one, besides Apple, who could do it in a way that would make you actually WANT one.
:)
torifile
2004-08-30, 16:28
Shit, scates. You really should write copy for Apple's anti-marketing brigade. I'm ready to stand in line with my credit card at the ready just hearing you talk about it.... I want one. :)
Cybermonkey
2004-08-30, 17:08
Name me one, besides Apple, who could do it in a way that would make you actually WANT one.
:)
Sony :D
http://www.themacobserver.com/article/2004/08/parisone.jpg
As long as we are in the truly silly season, how about my vision that the black screen in the picture above is hiding huge metallic letters that say:
InteliMac
The first Intel-powered iMac, with Craig Barrett on-stage to announce it!
Definitely not confirmed.
:lol:
LudwigVan
2004-08-30, 22:21
I'm afraid there may be some disappointment when the actual new iMac is revealed. Nothing can live up to the hype/anticipation/hope. Remember when Apple tried the pre-release hype route with the LCD iMac?.
The hype surrounding the iMac this time around is not Apple induced, but generated by the Mac-heads. A short message on their site regarding a delay in release and a brief aside about G5 processors during a conference call are pretty much all we got from the mothership.
Fedorenko
2004-08-31, 01:59
My bet is that there is going to be a simple Powerbook G4 speedbump, and mabye a G5 iMac.
Considering that Apple Australia is recieving a shipment of a 100 or so Powerbook G4 12" on the 1st of September, I dobut Apple would send so many here when they are going to be replaced the same day.
Unless Australia's is getting shafted :P
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