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theshadow
2004-08-25, 06:06
On September second or third microsoft will go public with their music store, with MS Tunes in America or whatever they'll call Mediaplayer Ten and extend and extinguish music choice all over Europe.
Apple beware, you are about to get thrashed. Make friends and pound your enemies now!
pscates2.0
2004-08-25, 06:56
I'm shaking in my boots... :rolleyes:
Let's meet back here in, say, three months to discuss what a cheeseball non-event and flatlining enterprise this is, shall we?
:)
Microsoft couldn't find it with two hands and a flashlight, so I'm not particularly worried about anything they put out. Why anyone thinks - after years of evidence to the contrary - that they'll release a superior solution than Apple is beyond me.
Unless, of course, they outright copy the entire damn thing which is the likely scenario.
I can't wait to see it. And within a week there will be reports about how downloading songs from it has opened some huge security hole and some kid in Colorado has his entire computer accidentally erased by the orbiting space shuttle.
:D
Please...bring it on.
;)
theshadow
2004-08-25, 07:16
Unless, of course, they outright copy the entire damn thing which is the likely scenario.
;)
Mediaplayer10 will look like iTunes and America will get an Apple Music Store clone that stands alongside Expedia and HOtmail and such.
It really is coming at the end of next week. CHOMP!
Overseas, theyll continue to partner with third-party companies to tighten their grip on the market since iTunes has a lot of traction, but also a lot of anti-us feeling. Strange that the most anti-american Euros all use microsoft.
Like Paul said, I'm shaking in my boots. No, really.
Terrified.
IBL.
bassplayinMacFiend
2004-08-25, 07:56
I'm shaking in my boots... :rolleyes:
Microsoft couldn't find it with two hands and a flashlight, so I'm not particularly worried about anything they put out. Why anyone thinks - after years of evidence to the contrary - that they'll release a superior solution than Apple is beyond me.
MS has shown again and again (and again and again) that they don't need to put out the best solution. They only need to release a solution that's "good enough". You might laugh, but MS has 50+Billion in the bank to steamroll over anyone they feel like.
WMP10 will be pushed out via Windows Update so most Windows users will have this on their PC within weeks of its release. If it's anything like iTunes, where people decide, "What the heck, I'll check it out" and they get 1% of Windows users to buy one song apiece, that equates to roughly 3Million songs. That would be a rousing start for an online music service.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not rooting for MS in the slightest. I'm just saying, don't discount them. Apple did that once before and we know where that got them.
SilentEchoes
2004-08-25, 08:09
MS has shown again and again (and again and again) that they don't need to put out the best solution.
Bingo.
You guys seem pretty quick to forget the past, or even how MS works for that example. When has MS ever played fair? You guys do remember Netscape right?
Second, MS has a huge market share. Their music store could ship on every new PC, not just HP ones. Apple maybe doing pretty well now but there is still a lot of PC users out there who do not know about iTMS or anything of the like.
Third, MS has played unfairly before. I wouldn't look to the DOJ to help out if they do decide to play naughty.
And last, should something happen MS has a HUGE war chest, Even if they get sued by any one player in the music download for any reason its still going to be like shooting an elephant with a bb-gun. Also, MS has a hand in several industries. All they have to do is get a foothold and next thing you know you will be downloading music from the MS Music store via satellites into your car..
All I am saying is you guys should not be so quick to dismiss MS on this one.
pscates2.0
2004-08-25, 08:34
And all I'm saying is that it will be a pale rip-off to Apple's 18-month head start. No Mac person I could imagine is going to go this way, and I've had a fair share of PC people tell me that the Apple iPod/iTMS/iTunes combo is the only thing they're interested in (they're PC users who hate Microsoft, oddly enough).
Point is, it isn't going to hurt Apple and I don't see it as any threat. Apple isn't going to suddenly stop what they're doing. At worst, maybe a year from now, is stop development on Windows-based iTunes/iTMS.
Big deal. Let 'em. Apple doesn't exactly need them (otherwise, ALL their iApps would have a Windows counterpart), and last year's extension of iTunes to the other side was merely a gracious gesture, and Apple doing people a favor.
:)
If this upcoming Microsoft thing was a big steamrolling hit on the PC side, fine. iTunes can go back to be being a stellar, kick-ass Mac only product and Apple can simply focus on making it and the store an even better product for their loyal, demanding base.
I'm aware of Microsoft's history and tactics. And I don't care. If people opt for their approach, fine. But Apple's got momentum, they offer the entire widget (software/store/player), it's easy as pie to use, etc.
I'll bet $50 the Microsoft thing will be nowhere near as simple and elegant as Apple's and many PC users - already owning an iPod, already having an iTMS account, etc. - will gladly continue dancing with the one that brought them.
;)
Another example of Microsoft showing up late, with their shoes untied, and bullying their way onto the floor when no one is really asking them (how's all that for a cool prom analogy?).
:D
Akumulator
2004-08-25, 08:42
Microsoft plans to quietly launch the MSN online music store with the new version of its Windows Media 10 player.
Early-release versions of the player look like knock-offs of Apple's iTunes Music Store, complete with brushed nickel finish. But hey, why mess with success? A button in the upper right corner of the player will take consumers to the download store. LINK (http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/business/technology/personal_technology/9471751.htm)
supermegatron
2004-08-25, 08:52
Microsoft's music store will be fully compatible with the iPod. Songs purchased from their store can also be imported into iTunes but not vice versa.
alcimedes
2004-08-25, 08:54
what you haven't taken into account is the RIAA's and MPAA's wariness of Microsoft. There's legitimate worry in the entertainment industry that giving MS a strong foothold in their market will relegate them to niche players, with MS being the dominating force. Apple has some nice partners/people on their side with this one.
another thing that people seem to forget is that for every XBox and IE, MS has had dozens of failed attempts at taking over a market. considering the online music business is a money losing proposition, or close to it, there isn't the same incentive to take over. even if you're king, you're left with crap. now if MS starts selling an MP3 player, i might start to worry, that might be enough to make them throw piles of money down the drain, i just don't see it yet.
although after looking at the whole Netscape debacle, everyone lauged at IE when it came out, and it wasn't really a money maker back then either. of course, i don't expect Apple to sit on their asses like Netscape did, so i'm still not overly worried.
Microsoft's music store will be fully compatible with the iPod. Songs purchased from their store can also be imported into iTunes but not vice versa.
perhaps, but it's not listed on their "supported players" list. if the songs are coming out as DRM'ed WMA files, then it won't support the iPod. that's probably a bigger indication of success of failure than anything else.
pscates2.0
2004-08-25, 08:58
Microsoft's music store will be fully compatible with the iPod. Songs purchased from their store can also be imported into iTunes but not vice versa.
For people concerned with that stuff, that's great news I suppose.
I usually tend to find and settle on one thing that works well. I don't use Illustrator, Freehand AND Canvas...just Illustrator. I don't use Mail and Entourage...just Mail. And I won't use iTunes, Real's solution AND the new Microsoft one...I use iTunes.
Gets confusing and bulky the other way, keeping multiple libraries, duplicates everywhere, remembering what works with what, etc. No thanks! But that's just me and how I prefer to do things.
theshadow
2004-08-25, 09:15
Seriously folks I saw the details last week for it all and it doesnt look pretty for Mac. They're going in for the kill on ALL fronts - digital players, online services including their own, partnerships worldwide - and Im afraid Apple wont be able to compete.
Apple REALLY needs some partners. The Macrovision thing will lead where ... ?
WHAM!
SilentEchoes
2004-08-25, 09:16
I'm the same way Paul, I mean thats what owning a Mac is all about. ;) I was simply suggesting that this should not simply be passed off as nothing. I really don't see Apple losing to much ground to this.
Keep in mind that supermegatron's other two posts have been to claim that the eMac will be discontinued and to predict that the next iBooks will have a BTO option for internal bluetooth.
Seriously folks I saw the details last week for it all and it doesnt look pretty for Mac. They're going in for the kill on ALL fronts - digital players, online services including their own, partnerships worldwide - and Im afraid Apple wont be able to compete.
Apple REALLY needs some partners. The Macrovision thing will lead where ... ?
WHAM!
what a load of bullocks! just like m/s now owns the game console industry.
Messiahtosh
2004-08-25, 09:57
There was a report on the Microsoft Music Store on MSNBC yesterday, and the report was very favorable to Apple, calling the legal download business, "iTunes and the 7 dwarfs."
The thing they pointed out was that there is nothing even close to the popularity of the hardware that Apple has with the iPod, and they said Microsoft will never be able to duplicate that success...I agree.
hmurchison
2004-08-25, 10:11
Seriously folks I saw the details last week for it all and it doesnt look pretty for Mac. They're going in for the kill on ALL fronts - digital players, online services including their own, partnerships worldwide - and Im afraid Apple wont be able to compete.
Apple REALLY needs some partners. The Macrovision thing will lead where ... ?
WHAM!
Wow three tries and you've yet to post anything worth a second of thought. Try harder.
billybobsky
2004-08-25, 10:18
Seriously folks I saw the details last week for it all and it doesnt look pretty for Mac. They're going in for the kill on ALL fronts - digital players, online services including their own, partnerships worldwide - and Im afraid Apple wont be able to compete.
Apple REALLY needs some partners. The Macrovision thing will lead where ... ?
WHAM!
"pretty for Mac," eh?
alcimedes
2004-08-25, 10:24
IMO, you've got two choices if you want to break into the online music biz, at least as of now.
1. you have to come out with a better player than the iPod. then build your online music distribution around said format/hardware. it's possible, but not likely. the iPod is both chic and usable. it's a perfect example of form following function, but in this case, the form is immaculate.
2. come out with a better or competitive music store than iTunes. make your songs play on the iPod, seeing as it's by far the most popular player. if you choose to go this route, you'll hit two snags. first, to get any kind of selection you'll have to DRM your songs. otherwise no artist will allow you to distribute them. (shady russian mp3 sites aside). if you choose to DRM them, you basically have two choices. license Fairplay from Apple, or go with MS's WMV. i would guess that MS is going to go with their own media format. if that's the case your songs won't play on iPods.
if you sell them in an iPod compatitble format, odds are you'll just push iPod sales (the entire premise behind the iTunes store). more money for Apple.
really the only way to unseat Apple at this point is to attack on both fronts at once. to pull that off you'll need a better/cheaper player, better online music store, and have a marketing campaign that will weaken the iPods death grip on the mp3 player market.
good luck.
oh, and new guy who thinks he knows everything. when your info conflicts with MS's own press releases regarding their as-of-yet unreleased products, you're going to need more than "trust me, i know" to convince anyone.
Comparing iTunes to Netscape is silly.
:no:
Unless you're a MS fanatic, their entry into the music market is a non-event.
The only possible things that could worry Apple:
* MS came out with their own hardware that they massively subsidized - although look at the marketplace failure of the heavily subsidized xbox
* MS manages to break/hamper iTunes on MS OSes - much tougher to get away with these days, but still possible
* MS uses it's relations with partners to shut out iTunes - ie what they were able to do to Netscape. Not really effective since iTunes is an easy download from Apple's site and OEMs are no longer so easily bullied as they were in the nineties with the rise of Linux and the post trial environment
Unless some company comes up with a real iPod competitor that only works with MS solutions, Apple/iTunes/iTMS/iPod/AAC will remain dominant.
bassplayinMacFiend
2004-08-25, 10:38
I thought MS was coming out with a player in Sep./Oct.? Granted, it's going to be an audio + video thing (big, bulky and fugly, no doubt), but I swear I read something a month or so ago that it was on track to be MS's answer to Apple's iTMS + iPod strategy.
Point is, it isn't going to hurt Apple and I don't see it as any threat. Apple isn't going to suddenly stop what they're doing. At worst, maybe a year from now, is stop development on Windows-based iTunes/iTMS.
Big deal. Let 'em. Apple doesn't exactly need them (otherwise, ALL their iApps would have a Windows counterpart), and last year's extension of iTunes to the other side was merely a gracious gesture, and Apple doing people a favor.
I'm glad you aren't running Apple. Do you remember just how many more 'Pods & songs Apple sold once they released it for Windows? Killing Win operability would probably kill Apple's ability to get more new releases for their store. Not only that, but they would be conceding 95% of the possible download market to the Virgin's, Napster's and Microsoftw's of the world. IOW a big fat strategical blunder, IMO.
supermegatron
2004-08-25, 10:45
For the record the iPod can play wma files now. iPods use the "Portal Player chip" this chip supports AAC,WMA,MP3 & I believe Reals format. Your a firmware upgrade away from having a player without limits.
pscates2.0
2004-08-25, 10:47
Do you really believe that (a non-Windows iTunes/iTMS influences getting more product onto the store), bassplayer? That doesn't even make sense. They were doing just super great before last fall and the Windows iTunes rollout.
If, worst case scenario, they had to go back to Mac-only, it wouldn't be the end of anything, I bet. I'm not HOPING for that, mind you, but I'm saying I don't sit and quiver over everything Microsoft says or does OR worry about catering to PC users. I don't think that factors in to the song selections and improvements. Hell, most musicians and artists and producers are probably Mac people anyway. They wouldn't go anywhere or take it as a slam that iTunes was suddenly "Mac-only" once again.
I doubt they'd care...they'd still sell stuff left and right to devoted fans.
Again, if that were the absolute, end-all/be-all case, Apple would have iPhoto and the other stuff in a Windows version by now, wouldn't they? They're better, more elegant and fun-to-use solutions.
In any case, there would be worse scenarios than me running Apple.
:)
Messiahtosh
2004-08-25, 10:47
I thought MS was coming out with a player in Sep./Oct.? Granted, it's going to be an audio + video thing (big, bulky and fugly, no doubt), but I swear I read something a month or so ago that it was on track to be MS's answer to Apple's iTMS + iPod strategy.You swear you read something? And that makes it true and probable? You think MS has an answer to Apple in terms of hardware?:smokey:
I'm glad you aren't running Apple. Do you remember just how many more 'Pods & songs Apple sold once they released it for Windows? Killing Win operability would probably kill Apple's ability to get more new releases for their store. Not only that, but they would be conceding 95% of the possible download market to the Virgin's, Napster's and Microsoftw's of the world. IOW a big fat strategical blunder, IMO. Apple won't do that, and you know why? They own music now, and there is not much that can change that, as Alcimedes so wonderfully pointed out. Paul was just saying that for most people, if the market ceased to go in Apple's favor, Apple would retain a large number of users regardless.
For the record the iPod can play wma files now. iPods use the "Portal Player chip" this chip supports AAC,WMA,MP3 & I believe Reals format. Your a firmware upgrade away from having a player without limits.
So? Are we "a firmware upgrade away" from being able to play WMA, or can the iPod "play WMA files now?" Which is it? I'll answer it for you - it's the former. Apple likes to keep their options open, but supporting WMA on the iPod would be a suicide move. They need AAC to take hold as the dominant format. Sure, some people might be able to hack WMA support onto an iPod, but it won't be easy enough to do to get really widespread. Besides, even if it can play WMA files, will the iPod be able to decode the DRM used on WMA-encoded music downloads? I don't think so.
Apple also has an x86 box hidden somewhere in Cupertino running OS X, I'm sure. It doesn't mean they're going to actually make it available to the public.
trailmaster308
2004-08-25, 11:09
I thought MS was coming out with a player in Sep./Oct.? Granted, it's going to be an audio + video thing (big, bulky and fugly, no doubt), but I swear I read something a month or so ago that it was on track to be MS's answer to Apple's iTMS + iPod strategy.
You talking about this thing? It's competing more with the Creative Zen video player rather than the iPod.
link (http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/10100)
bassplayinMacFiend
2004-08-25, 11:09
You swear you read something? And that makes it true and probable? You think MS has an answer to Apple in terms of hardware?:smokey:
No, I was offering an opinion, kinda like what you're doing. Everyone's got one, you know. I was saying if MS comes out with the complete package, just like Apple has, they have a chance of growing their market quickly, thanks to the world of NBMers.
After doing more checking, it looks like MS is just offering the PMC, or Portable Media Centre platform ( link (http://www.dmeurope.com/default.asp?ArticleID=2673) ). So, no hardware from MS directly.
Even if it somehow manages to be "almost as good" as iTunes, it's not going to get PC users already using iTunes to switch. That just leaves the unwashed masses who don't / won't have an iPod, who don't give a shit about a music jukebox or downloading music, or are currently using MusicMatch, WMP 9 or some other Peece o Crap.
The only concern would be the increasing WMP user base going forward, of consumers buying new Dells and deciding to stick with the "default" music player (assuming they never buy an iPod). It will take a while for that user base growth to gain any kind of critical mass, if it indeed becomes a factor. And these are just the "followers" - the "leaders" are already using iTunes.
bassplayinMacFiend
2004-08-25, 11:11
You talking about this thing? It's competing more with the Creative Zen video player rather than the iPod.
link (http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/10100)
Yea, my brain warped articles like this to read "MS is producing PMP/PVP hardware" when in reality, they are just producing the PMC platform.
DMBand0026
2004-08-25, 12:31
The thing they pointed out was that there is nothing even close to the popularity of the hardware that Apple has with the iPod, and they said Microsoft will never be able to duplicate that success...I agree.
I'm gonna have to agree with you here too. If indeed MS does come out with the latest "iPod killer" (of which there have been literally hundreds since the first iPod), it will suck, just like the store will suck, just like WMP 10 will suck. Have any of you actually seen the latest version of WMP, <barf>. Horrible UI, slow, big, bulky, everything I don't want in an app. And no amount of copying from MS will make WMP a good app, or the MS store a good store.
I'm slightly concerned, but only about 1% of me, cause that's all the marketshare that MS will manage to take from Apple here. I'd bet on it ;)
Edit:
Oh yeah, did I mention how badly the MS "iTunes+iPod" combo will fail because it wont work? Cause it wont. It's gonna be extremely hard to figure out and even worse to keep working correctly once you do get it. I had a friend who had a Dell DJ and it took her three days to figure out how to get a song on it before she called me an enlisted my help. So I went to her house and we troubleshot for a few hours before I called Apple and ordered her an iPod, she returned the DJ, got the iPod and sat there open mouthed as I plugged the iPod in and all the songs loaded, with one click. MS's products will be like the DJ, it just won't work. Contrary to what we've come to expect from our favorite fruit company :D
After reading this thread and several others concerning the immanent introduction of Microsoft's Music Store, my thoughts turned to the inevitability of a hacker writing a worm that tunnels into Microsoft's Music Store, begins downloading random selections of music to every Windows machine connected to the internet. Each song infected with another worm causing all of these infected machines to automatically join Kazaa and reignite the illegal file-sharing phenomenon. :eek:
alcimedes
2004-08-25, 13:41
There's a difference between being able to play WMV files and being able to play DRM'ed WMV files.
Just like there's a difference between playing .AAC files and playing DRM'ed .AAC files.
Apple would have to buy a license from MS to play their DRM'ed WMV files in order for songs sold from MS to play on the iPod. i'm guessing that's not going to happen.
After reading this thread and several others concerning the immanent introduction of Microsoft's Music Store, my thoughts turned to the inevitability of a hacker writing a worm that tunnels into Microsoft's Music Store, begins downloading random selections of music to every Windows machine connected to the internet. Each song infected with another worm causing all of these infected machines to automatically join Kazaa and reignite the illegal file-sharing phenomenon. :eek:
That's a pretty bizarre speculation. See microsoft!? this is what happens when you have a lousy OS! :p
That said, the iTMS isn't going anywhere, it might lose a *tiny* bit of popularity as more stores open up, but ultimately it's going to remain king. I even got a guy who used to LOATH macs, to try it out, he LOVES it now, uses it all the time, he also bought a powerbook because he was so impressed.
nowayout11
2004-08-25, 15:19
what a load of bullocks! just like m/s now owns the game console industry.
Sorry for being OT, but MS is nowhere near close to "owning" the game console market. They're lucky if they have 25%. PlayStation 2 is wiping the floor with everybody.
Seriously folks I saw the details last week for it all and it doesnt look pretty for Mac. They're going in for the kill on ALL fronts - digital players, online services including their own, partnerships worldwide - and Im afraid Apple wont be able to compete.
Apple REALLY needs some partners. The Macrovision thing will lead where ... ?
WHAM!
Oh, wait wait! I know the end of this joke. Apple will be out of business in 18 months right? Just like the last time? And the time before that, and before that.... :no:
Purgatos
2004-08-25, 18:19
Sorry for being OT, but MS is nowhere near close to "owning" the game console market. They're lucky if they have 25%. PlayStation 2 is wiping the floor with everybody.
He was being sarcastic.
Also, I'd like to note that this 'theshadow' guy seems to be going to every major macforum he can find on the interweb and copy and pasting the exact same message.
How boring.
DMBand0026
2004-08-25, 18:22
He was being sarcastic.
Also, I'd like to note that this 'theshadow' guy seems to be going to every major macforum he can find on the interweb and copy and pasting the exact same message.
How boring.
We call them trolls, and we ask that you please not feed them :)
Apple beware, you are about to get thrashed. Make friends and pound your enemies now!
Now let's see, where have I heard that before? Wasn't it buymusic.com? Weren't they the ones saying they would put Apple out of business? I don't know, I'm having a hard time finding them because they don't seem to show up on google when you do a seach for "online music service". I'll give you one guess as to which service is link #1 though. :lol:
This is like the Profile 4, Gateway's answer to the iMac. It was supposed to utterly crush the iMac, wasn't it? Hmm. Yeah, that didn't really work out like they planned, and now all their retail stores are closed.
On an unrelated note, wasn't Apple supposed to go out of business like a few dozen times over already? "Beleaguered" was the term I believe. At this point I just have to laugh when anybody says somebody's going to "crush" or "thrash" Apple at their own game.
AlmostBoughtaLisa
2004-08-25, 18:34
A USA Today article (http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/money/20040823/3b_apple23.art.htm) (linked from Apple's news page) says that there is a significant growth in iBook sales thanks in large part to the success of the iPod. So when Steve said that iTMS was there to help sell the iPod, it turns out he also meant that iTMS and the iPod are also there to sell Macs. Gawrsh! Who'd a-thunk it? :D
The Gen 4 iPod more than ever resembles the latest iBooks; the two are a matched set. It seems that this is just one element of a design strategy that exposes people to Apple quality at an attainable price (in the form of an iPod) and entices them to "upgrade," if you will, to the iBook.
We might hope that the recent announcement of Apple's superior quality ratings (http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/040824/245050_1.html) will further add to the average iPod owner's interest in purchasing an iBook. (Apparently the integrated, reliable software, the cool factor, and some MS software help promote interest, too.) This is something Microsoft's music service will have a hard time competing against, thanks to MS's "well-earned reputation."
The threat to Apple in this, if it exists at all, would stem from two places. One would be if MS provides a common service and, if you will, music OS (be it the Windows Media standard or whatever) to any and all other manufacturers of music players. The same market factors that were brought to bear to make the Wintel platform dominant in the PC marketplace would then be in play. With this in mind, I wouldn't be surprised to hear of a major chip manufacturer announcing a RISC chip designed to provide iPod-like services. (I have no information on this; I'm just guessing.) Even so, Apple's established market share and constant innovation could overcome this threat.
The other threat would be if MS manages to provide a significantly more complete repertoire. If people thought they could get far more music (games) on MSTunes (Windows), then they'll slowly but surely abandon the iPod (Mac). The fact that musicians prefer to sign with big names (i.e., broad-based distribution channels) could work in MS's favor in this regard, and it is for this reason that I believe Apple absolutely had to write a version of iTunes for Windows, in order to overcome this threat. Having iTunes in front of the faces of millions of Windows users would have to be a big attraction to recording companies.
So you see the analogy, don't you? The coming music battle is more like Wintel vs. Mac than it is like XBox vs. Playstation.
futuretheory
2004-08-25, 19:17
Strange that the most anti-american Euros all use microsoft.
Which would be why they are moving to Linux in droves??
curiousuburb
2004-08-25, 20:08
Microsoft might have significant advantages in bundling:
Buy a song, get a free virus/trojan/worm! 25 new prizes each week! Auto-share with friends!*
[* Cannot copy songs, but prizes are transferrable to your whole buddy list :\ ]
Download MSTunes free player (pay to burn cd's) or upgrade to our premium player (still pay to burn cd's) and get complimentary tech support headaches and security holes with each weekly patch you'll have to (re)install. Skins like Winamp too. (http://news.com.com/Digital+attacks+on+Winamp+use+%27skins%27+for+camo uflage/2100-1002_3-5323990.html?tag=st_lh)
Use MSTunes and surreptitiously send Microsoft or the interweb even more personal information about yourself (your company (http://www.nwfusion.com/columnists/2003/0512schwartau.html)) and/or the contents of your computer without the pesky complication of seeing it happen or having to chose to. New (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=144e54ed-d43e-42ca-bc7b-5446d34e5360&displaylang=en) and Improved (http://news.com.com/Software+maker+exposes+hidden+data/2100-1012_3-5320006.html?part=rss&tag=5320006&subj=news.1012.5) over previous versions (http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,13342,00.html) because this time we're really serious about security and privacy. Trust us.
And just think of the International (http://news.com.com/How+eight+pixels+cost+Microsoft+millions/2100-1014_3-5316664.html?tag=st.rc.targ_mb) marketing expertise they can deploy.
Who wants simple and elegant iTunes when you can troubleshoot problems with new, talking Clippy (http://www.remote-films.com/salmondays/downloads/paper_clip.mpg) to assist you. (Also available with Tina voice).
How can Apple compete in these areas? Doomed, I tell you. :rolleyes:
theshadow
2004-08-26, 04:52
The Shadow is everywhere - but only posts here. Where IS the interweb exactly? As you sow evil so shall you reap evil!
What do you think are the statistics for - recent - QuickTime adoption - and how much media is actually delivered as QuickTime content anymore?
The Shadow is everywhere - but only posts here. Where IS the interweb exactly? As you sow evil so shall you reap evil!
I'm scared mummy!
:has another beer:
:lol:
Microsoft might have significant advantages in bundling:
Buy a song, get a free virus/trojan/worm! 25 new prizes each week! Auto-share with friends!*
[* Cannot copy songs, but prizes are transferrable to your whole buddy list :\ ]
Download MSTunes free player (pay to burn cd's) or upgrade to our premium player (still pay to burn cd's) and get complimentary tech support headaches and security holes with each weekly patch you'll have to (re)install. Skins like Winamp too. (http://news.com.com/Digital+attacks+on+Winamp+use+%27skins%27+for+camo uflage/2100-1002_3-5323990.html?tag=st_lh)
Use MSTunes and surreptitiously send Microsoft or the interweb even more personal information about yourself (your company (http://www.nwfusion.com/columnists/2003/0512schwartau.html)) and/or the contents of your computer without the pesky complication of seeing it happen or having to chose to. New (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=144e54ed-d43e-42ca-bc7b-5446d34e5360&displaylang=en) and Improved (http://news.com.com/Software+maker+exposes+hidden+data/2100-1012_3-5320006.html?part=rss&tag=5320006&subj=news.1012.5) over previous versions (http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,13342,00.html) because this time we're really serious about security and privacy. Trust us.
And just think of the International (http://news.com.com/How+eight+pixels+cost+Microsoft+millions/2100-1014_3-5316664.html?tag=st.rc.targ_mb) marketing expertise they can deploy.
Who wants simple and elegant iTunes when you can troubleshoot problems with new, talking Clippy (http://www.remote-films.com/salmondays/downloads/paper_clip.mpg) to assist you. (Also available with Tina voice).
How can Apple compete in these areas? Doomed, I tell you. :rolleyes:
:lol:
I bow to your superior sarcasm and wit.
SledgeHammer
2004-08-26, 14:53
Seriously folks I saw the details last week for it all and it doesnt look pretty for Mac. They're going in for the kill on ALL fronts - digital players, online services including their own, partnerships worldwide - and Im afraid Apple wont be able to compete.
Apple REALLY needs some partners. The Macrovision thing will lead where ... ?
WHAM!::cough::troll::cough::
Also, this snippet, "the current market leader, Apple." from one of the linked articles above, just put a smile on my face.:)
You know, I've been thinking and I think our friend theshadow might be right after all. See, Microsoft is really starting to get their act together on security. I just don't know how we can survive when they're working this hard...
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1639276,00.asp
;)
With that kind of security, users will feel much more comfortable downloading music than with our silly OS. I don't see how they won't dominate. :err:
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