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Messiahtosh
2004-08-26, 23:37
According to an article cited by Macminute.com
http://www.macminute.com/2004/08/27/hpipod
Analyst: HP-branded iPod will outsell Apple version
August 27 - 00:18 EDT** According to at least one analyst, the HP-branded iPod will quickly outsell Apple's version of the popular audio device. "The expectation on the iPod is that HP's version will probably outsell Apple's version relatively quickly" due to HP's broad distribution at electronics retailers, said analyst Rob Enderle of market research firm Enderle Group. In early January, HP said that it would begin selling a branded version of Apple's iPod and bundling iTunes with its desktops and notebooks as part of a partnership with Apple. HP plans to unveil its iPod at a press event later today.
I think Apple actually has a fighting chance, because everyone wants an iPod with an Apple logo on it. I don't know what the HP one will look like yet, but if it is perfectly similar to Apple's then yes, it will probably outsell Apple's own version.....my question is, who cares?
LudwigVan
2004-08-26, 23:50
...said analyst Rob Enderle of market research firm Enderle Group.
Hmm. Rob Enderle. He has a certain reputation in some Mac circles. A quick search over at AtAT (http://www.appleturns.com/) will turn up some interesting things he has said over the last couple of years.
As far as outselling goes, that depends. Has the iPod reached saturation level with consumers yet? Probably not. Will the price be the same as Apple's? Maybe. Will the iTunes/iPod combo on/with HP's hardware increase HP's mindshare among the public? Perhaps. Will that (i.e., HP = Windows computers = recognizable, if mediocre, operating system) contribute in part to a greater number of sales? Could be.
I think that's just stupid. The iPod has three years of marketing behind it, it's an amazing brand that is recognised the world over. Certainly it can decline over time, but be defeated by a single new product? Yeah, right.
According to an article cited by Macminute.com
http://www.macminute.com/2004/08/27/hpipod
I think Apple actually has a fighting chance, because everyone wants an iPod with an Apple logo on it. I don't know what the HP one will look like yet, but if it is perfectly similar to Apple's then yes, it will probably outsell Apple's own version.....my question is, who cares?
Doesn't really matter, I agree. The one Carly Fiorina showed at whatever conference (I think MWSF) showed basically an iPod but in some pukish HP blue color. I'd imagine it should outsell the iPod, any units sold is good for Apple.
my question is, who cares?Exactly. Whether it's an Apple-branded iPod or an HP-branded iPod, it's still an iPod and it's still putting money in Apple's bank!
It's still an iPod, how could it possibly outsell itself.Exactly.
But, to explore this line of reasoning, let us hope that the hPod outsells Apple-branded iPods. This more than doubles the current (total) iPod volume, and while Apple won't make as much on the hPods, the incremental total iPod volume will support lower component and manufacturing costs, which benefits us all in the long run.
Plus, most everyone buying one will know it's "actually" an Apple iPod with a different logo. That's good for that mindshare thing.
Not to mention that marketshare thing.... or that Trojan Horse thing...
Do you guys think the hPod will be of lower quality or anything?
Do you guys think the hPod will be of lower quality or anything?No, that would be phenomenally stupid, IMO. It's been said already that it's exactly the same iPod, only re-branded.
alcimedes
2004-08-27, 00:24
the only thing i wonder is if the hPod would play DRM'ed WMA files.
if so, that would be a big plus in their corner. in either case, it would stregthen apple's hold on the .aac format in downloadable music. not a bad thing in light of MS's online store, and Real's and everyone else's.
"what kind of motorcycle do you have?"
"It's a harley....compatible...harley-compatible, it's basically...the same parts, mostly the same thing..."
the only thing i wonder is if the hPod would play DRM'ed WMA files.
HP already said that they are *not* going to support WMA.
http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/01/20040112145522.shtml
http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/01/20040113162137.shtml
the only thing i wonder is if the hPod would play DRM'ed WMA files.
if so, that would be a big plus in their corner. in either case, it would stregthen apple's hold on the .aac format in downloadable music. not a bad thing in light of MS's online store, and Real's and everyone else's.
Not a chance in hell. We've been over this.
It would be insanely stupid for Apple to play mugwump by supporting WMA on the HPod but not on the Apple version. That's almost as stupid as supporting WMA at all. The current state of the market says Apple's doing just fine.
Popular lossy format: MP3
Popular lossless format: WAV
Modern lossy format: AAC
Modern lossless format: Apple Lossless
For now Apple's bases are covered. I'm curious...why do you think adding WMA support would strengthen AAC's position at all. The only sure thing is that it would strengthen WMA's position.
alcimedes
2004-08-27, 02:01
um, it wouldn't.
i was drunk, and that post makes no sense.
i meant to say i didn't think they would, but the only way the hPod would outsell the iPod was if it had WMV playability.
however, since it won't it will strengthen the iPod/aac hold on the market. oops.
torifile
2004-08-27, 06:02
um, it wouldn't.
i was drunk, and that post makes no sense.
i meant to say i didn't think they would, but the only way the hPod would outsell the iPod was if it had WMV playability.
however, since it won't it will strengthen the iPod/aac hold on the market. oops.
And you're sober an hour and a half later? :err: ;)
MacRGood4U
2004-08-27, 07:48
There will be webcast of the unveiling of the HPod along with other HP consumer digital products on 8/27/04 at appx. 9:30 EDT. Go to the following:
http://www.hpbroadband.com/program.cfm?key=B3Launch27Aug2004EXT
alcimedes
2004-08-27, 08:29
well, sober enough to read what i'd written.
then read it again wondering wtf eugene was talking about.
then getting ready to laugh at him for not making sense, while reading it over a third time.
then realizing what i wrote made no sense. you can write while drinking, you just need to make sure all the words in your head make it to the keyboard.
Messiahtosh
2004-08-27, 08:39
Maccentral.com is reporting that the HP iPods are the same exact design and configurations at the same prices that Apple lists them. No difference. Again Mr. Enderle, who cares? :lol:
There will be webcast of the unveiling of the HPod along with other HP consumer digital products on 8/27/04 at appx. 9:30 EDT. Go to the following:
http://www.hpbroadband.com/program.cfm?key=B3Launch27Aug2004EXT
if you try to get on the above webcast on safari, you are told to try again with IE.
Messiahtosh
2004-08-27, 08:44
if you try to get on the above webcast on safari, you are told to try again with IE.And if you try with IE, it tells you that you need a plugin and Windows. Windows should be a fucking plug-in. :no:
pscates2.0
2004-08-27, 08:47
These are already up and on the HP online store. They're exactly like Apple's version: white. Same price and everything.
Is this re-branding simply to allow the iPod into more outlets (places like Office Depot and others that carry HP gear)?
Because that seems to be the ONLY difference/reason I can imagine. Same exact look, features, capacity, price, compatibility, etc. as the ones from Apple.
Just an HP branding, huh?
These days, wouldn't most towns with an Office Depot or Staples ALSO have a Best Buy and/or Circuit City (which carries Apple's iPods)? And also, tons of people simply buy stuff online these days too.
I'm trying not to be dense here, but I'm not 100% sure I "get" this. I mean, it's great...more iPods. But enough to make a difference? And, as someone mentioned above, don't many people tend to be conscious and aware of brands? Wouldn't most people, given the choice, simply get an Apple iPod (the "real thing"?). I find it hard to believe that there's this huge mass of rabid Apple haters out there, who've been waiting for a year or two to buy an iPod, as soon as that little Apple on the back of them is gone.
:err:
Surely that can't be the case? How many people like that could there POSSIBLY be? 12-15?
If the HP model had a different color or look to it, or was cheaper or had a snazzy Windows-only set of features, okay...THEN I could easily see. No problem.
Take a Harley Sportster. Strip all references to Harley-Davidson from it, slap a "DynoCycle" (or whatever) logo on the tank. Sell it at Honda and Saturn dealerships (and Toro lawnmower outlets) for the same exact price as the Harley Sportster, with no special features or added "kick" whatsoever: same colors, same engine, tires, etc.
Wouldn't most just opt for a Harley-Davidson branded machine? Honestly, I would if everything else was the same. May as well have a cool, bankable name.
Are there actual die-hard HP nuts out there who would choose an HP over Apple for any real, valid reason? I honestly expected them to be in a different color, at the very least. Give SOME sort of reason for someone to go "ahh, I'd like a blue HP model...it'll be different from all those white ones out there...".
:confused:
Messiahtosh
2004-08-27, 08:55
They even have the Apple logo, laser engraved on the back, obviously just like Apple's.
www.macrumors.com
spotcatbug
2004-08-27, 08:56
There will be webcast of the unveiling of the HPod along with other HP consumer digital products on 8/27/04 at appx. 9:30 EDT. Go to the following:
http://www.hpbroadband.com/program.cfm?key=B3Launch27Aug2004EXTI'm watching it now on my PeeCee. There's no sound, though. Most likely something on my PeeCee is mis-configured. Like I'm going to bother trying to find out what's going on. "Windows: It Just Works (not)"
Anyway, at one point in the (silent) produced video (it's not a live event yet), somebody peels a large, iPod-shaped sticker off a backing and wraps it around what looks to me to be a stock iPod. I wonder if that's how they're going to differentiate from Apple's version. They'll include a sticker in the box? "Please wrap this big sticker around your hPod so it will look right." ???
Oh! It just went live and I have sound.
Messiahtosh
2004-08-27, 08:58
pscates, the reason people will choose the HP iPod over the Apple one is because of compatability fears, probably. When they buy their media center PC they can get a deal on an HP iPod, probably.:p
Think of a PC user in an HP retail outlet (a place where Apple had no presence before), the buyer walks in and is going to get a PC, then wants an HP iPod because "it's compatable" and goes along with his Media Center PC.
That's what I think this is all about.
pscates2.0
2004-08-27, 09:06
Okay, that makes sense, I guess.
I guess I'm just too close to it all, and assume that everyone knows - or should know - by this point that iPods are Mac AND PC compatible.
:\
I suppose there are tons of people who don't. I withdraw my above post...
On a slightly snide side note, looks like those much-talked about "dancing silhouette" ads aren't much more than iCandy, are they? I mean, they ALL say "Mac + PC" in them, right? Who's not paying attention? People just watching that woman wiggle her butt and not reading what's on the screen?
:D
Messiahtosh
2004-08-27, 09:10
I know you're half joking there but not everyone watches a lot of tv, people change the channels, and some people are just thiiiiick. :D
Rob Enderle is an idiot IMO... he usually makes predictions and comments that stir up controversy, whether or not they have any basis in reality. Usually it's something that shows favoritism towards the PC-world... something that he knows will get people riled up in defense of Apple. I think he likes the attention. If you search through his arguments on various topics, his logic is usually flawed at best, non-existant at its worst.
I've corresponded with him a couple of times after some of his more famous comments. The guy has a bunch of lugnuts and washers banging around inside his skull AFAICT.
I'm sure the HP iPod will sell very well (and good for Apple that will be!), but this is just another way for Enderle to draw attention to himself and his organization. He's a tool.
HP Retail Outlets > Apple Retail Outlets
:D
MacRGood4U
2004-08-27, 09:45
It's white and it has an HP logo along with the Apple log etched on the. HP is taking pre-orders now for September 15 delivery. It's still called iPod. Actualyl iPod+HP. Enderle is wrong again..... and again, and again.
Indeed HP will sell as many as they can have Apple supply them with. 100 times more stores and business clients. Also watch iTMS show an increase in downloads. And when other markets open iTMS stores, well M$ won't dominate.
Go here:
http://www.shopping.hp.com/cgi-bin/hpdirect/shopping/scripts/home/store_access.jsp?BV_SessionID=%40%40%40%4015183515 10.1093610141%40%40%40%40&BV_EngineID=ccdiadcmgjdejghcfngcfkmdfondfgg.0&template_type=product_detail&page=home&site=main&product_code=PE435A%23ABA
pscates2.0
2004-08-27, 10:06
Now this is cool (http://www.macminute.com/2004/08/27/hpads). HP is really going balls-out on this! :eek:
They're doing more in one weekend, marketing-wise, than...ah, never mind. :p
And you know what might be kinda funny, down the road? HP is REALLY gonna help these iPods move, right? Well, all these people that get these in their hands (and experience the iTunes/iTMS combo)...some of them are gonna have to - out of curiosity - go "hmm, what else is Apple up to..." and maybe check them out?
In a righteous bit of irony, what if this whole thing with HP somehow managed to wind up selling more Macs, as things moved along into the holidays and 2005?
:D
Cool.
Bring it on HP...
I'm still a Canon guy, but I see good things for this. Maybe HP could sell a rebranded iSight too? :p
MacRGood4U
2004-08-27, 10:21
An HP exec. commented in an interview a while back that the iPod deal was only the beginning of a relationship with Apple. The iSight idea might indeed happen as well as Airport Express and other peripherals to add to HP's new consumer line up of TV's and other items.
pscates2.0
2004-08-27, 10:36
Good. Have you tried the "video chat" thing on a PC? Jeez-louise. Those poor people NEED an iSight/iChat solution. :(
Hell, the whole world could EASILY do the video chat thing then, thanks, again, to Apple.
I'm warming to some of these small excursions into previously uncharted territory. Where there's a need and where the solution trumps anything currently offered. More money and recognition for Apple, right? As long as Apple doesn't simply "give it away" or enter some agreement where they remove their logo/name from the product, I'm all for it.
Do most newer PCs come with FireWire these days? I'd imagine so. I wouldn't mind seening an HP-branded iChat/iSight combo package next. That opens up SO many people around the country I could easily talk to and see (they're on PCs). I'd love to see that particular combo become the iPod/iTunes of online chatting (video, text, etc.). If partnering up with HP gets that into more places or helps in the "comfort factor" for some, so be it. It's still Apple's technology and coolness driving it all.
And for things like this - intensely personal and emotional endeavors like music and communication - this is a great crossroads to tap into. Everyday stuff that most people would enjoy and use. I can't imagine anything else besides iSight/iChat and perhaps iPhoto that I'd like to see for PC people, realizing that covers so much of what people do for fun or in their spare time or dabble in most on their PCs (music/communicating/digital photography).
Those three things, I wouldn't mind at all putting out there into the hands of PC users. Goodness knows they could use 'em.
:)
Anything beyond that, I'd have to give it some thought. I don't want Apple to become PC-obsessed at all. Just a few well-done solutions to help make themselves look good to the other side, and help people enjoy music, stay connected and get the most from their digital cameras.
That's a reasonable, worthwhile mission. Because of this, HP will probably become, unofficially or otherwise, the expected standard peripheral company Apple likes to promote and bundle with (printers, scanners, cameras, etc.).
They both help each other out. HP will probably really stay on top of the OS X driver/software thing too.
OMFG! Rob Enderle! I can't believe this shit still comes up. The man is a freakin moron! Anything he says the exact opposite is more likely to occur. Why do people still quote him? He's an imbecile!
thegelding
2004-08-27, 10:49
i like the skins/tattoos hp is offering....nice start up
g
here (http://h10049.www1.hp.com/music/us/en/index_flash.jsp)
pscates2.0
2004-08-27, 11:01
:D
I know! I saw those and thought "I wouldn't mind getting my hands on a few of those!".
agent302
2004-08-27, 13:35
Now you can have you're orange iPod ;)
Quagmire
2004-08-27, 14:07
If it is a direct copy of apples ipod why doesn't it work with Macs? According to the capability section in only lists a windows symbol. So are mac users screwed if they see a hp ipod and buy it?
MacRGood4U
2004-08-27, 14:24
It's being sold as a PC compatible player by HP. They wouldn't say it can be used on a Mac. They are a Windows OS company. I'm reasonably sure with the proper software downloaded it will work with a Mac. You're not being "screwed". Buy an iPod from an Apple reseller instead if you're concerned. That being said, wait until the players are available next month and watch various Apple sites. I'm sure they'll report if it is Mac-compatible and post an article. :)
Anything beyond that, I'd have to give it some thought. I don't want Apple to become PC-obsessed at all. Just a few well-done solutions to help make themselves look good to the other side, and help people enjoy music, stay connected and get the most from their digital cameras.How would it benefit Apple exactly to ensure that people on the other side of the fence have a more enjoyable computer experience?
thegelding
2004-08-27, 16:20
:D
I know! I saw those and thought "I wouldn't mind getting my hands on a few of those!".
you're just waiting for the porn iPod tattoo wrap of
this
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/3036/images/balk66.jpg
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nowayout11
2004-08-27, 17:46
How would it benefit Apple exactly to ensure that people on the other side of the fence have a more enjoyable computer experience?
What's the other option? Make it run like crap or not at all on a PC, and keep themselves locked into their 5% at the expense of financial success?
iPod and iTunes are good Apple products. Just maybe, they'll consider other Apple products. Not likely, but you never know. ;)
SilentEchoes
2004-08-27, 18:23
I didn't finish reading this thread so I am sorry if this has been posted already
That said, PScates. It is possible that this wait for the HP-iPod was purely lawyers straitening out formalities. Give it time and I am sure you will see the two iPods differentiate themselves. It is also possible that HP simply wanted to make some money off the iPod, struck a deal, got them for cheap, and is going to just be a front for Apple. Who knows.
pscates2.0
2004-08-27, 18:40
How would it benefit Apple exactly to ensure that people on the other side of the fence have a more enjoyable computer experience?
Oh, is Apple doing this for free, then? They're just giving all these iPods to HP? :confused:
Surely not. :err:
But, just for giggles, take the whole money/business thing out of the equation and simply approach it from this angle: the fact that these people having a "more enjoyable computer experience" will know - whether they want to or not - that their "joy" is brought to them, courtesy of Apple. Perhaps, just maybe, when time comes to buy a new computer or display or whatever, they might be inclined to consider Apple in a way they never have before?
Their name and logo would be pasted on any of these solutions. Surely a few open-minded, quality-seeking types might put two and two together ("gee, Apple sure makes a kick-ass mp3 player AND I love that I can talk to my family back East...if their peripherals are this simple and snazzy, I wonder what their computers must be like!")
Do I have to explain this? Seems pretty clear-cut and simple to me.
:confused:
Messiahtosh
2004-08-27, 18:42
Do I have to explain this? Seems pretty clear-cut and simple to me.It is clear cut and simple, but like I pointed out before, some people are thiiiick. :p
If it is a direct copy of apples ipod why doesn't it work with Macs? According to the capability section in only lists a windows symbol. So are mac users screwed if they see a hp ipod and buy it?
Well, it shows that they are selling 'their' iPods with windows and mac versions of iTunes. That kinda says it all.
http://h10049.www1.hp.com/music/us/en/specs_flash.html
Oh, is Apple doing this for free, then? They're just giving all these iPods to HP? :confused:
Surely not. :err:
But, just for giggles, take the whole money/business thing out of the equation and simply approach it from this angle: the fact that these people having a "more enjoyable computer experience" will know - whether they want to or not - that their "joy" is brought to them, courtesy of Apple. Perhaps, just maybe, when time comes to buy a new computer or display or whatever, they might be inclined to consider Apple in a way they never have before?
Their name and logo would be pasted on any of these solutions. Surely a few open-minded, quality-seeking types might put two and two together ("gee, Apple sure makes a kick-ass mp3 player AND I love that I can talk to my family back East...if their peripherals are this simple and snazzy, I wonder what their computers must be like!")
Do I have to explain this? Seems pretty clear-cut and simple to me.
:confused:Well I was curious, do you think that the profit Apple could make from iSight sales would make up for the development costs of maintaining iChat PC? iChat would be a given as Apple wouldn't want to advertise the iSight for PC aspect (I believe it already works, no?) without providing the software aspect.
I personally don't see the iSight having the same "must-have" appeal as the iPod. I could get an iSight right now with some spare cash, but like lots of other people I know, they think they're cool, but they just don't have a real use for them. I may be wrong, but I think that there are fewer people who need to video chat than those who enjoy having their entire music library with them. But like I said, do you think that sales of iSights would increase enough to make producing iChat PC profitable?
With iPhoto, Apple doesn't even provide a hardware solution, so you have to rely solely on the trojan horse effect. Could Apple rely on enough people switching to Macs to cover the development costs of iPhoto and iChat for PC? And then at that point you have iTunes, iChat and iPhoto on a PC.. 2 of which make up the whole iLife suite. Arguably the most used iLife components. While iDVD and iMovie are rather cool, I think there are a lot more casual photo takers than videographers that take their iMovies to DVD. And I would think that Garageband would appeal to an even smaller niche, but it may be on par with the iDVD/iMovie people.
I think that iPhoto and iChat are part of the appeal of the Mac, and that as soon as you port them to Windows, that's just one less advantage the Mac holds. Personally, I feel that the iTunes+iPod combination already fills the "trojan horse" role perfectly. I could possibly see the argument that Apple would sell enough iSights to make up for the cost of maintaining an iChat for Windows, but I don't think the demand is great enough. iPhoto on PC, would just be utterly pointless IMHO, for the reasons I listed above.
Oh and Messiahtosh, I won't hold it against you, but I'd really refrain from the whole "people are just attacking me for no reason" angle from now on :)
pscates2.0
2004-08-27, 19:30
I don't know. A small teaser. Give 'em just enough to get hooked. If they want the full dose, they gotta buy a Mac. :p
As I said earlier, I'm not aware of a video chat solution as hassle-free and sensible on the PC side. And maybe a full-blown iChat for Windows wouldn't have to be used? The hardware only, although that might be tough without the software controlling the experience.
I did make clear, early on, that I wouldn't want to see anything beyond those three things. But I chose those three things because a) Apple does them well, b) those are the three things most people would probably use and appreciate (knowing some of the offerings already on the PC side and how many aren't up to snuff).
In any case, HP's own statement about this is only the beginning (or however it was phrased) has to make one wonder.
I don't think iPhoto is pointless at all. I know a hell of a lot more digital camera-owning PC people than Mac people. Who wouldn't dig a nice print/share/organize/package/web gallery/e-mail, etc. solution?
Again, I don't know the economics and all of that. But if Apple's GOING to go down that road a tad, those would indeed be my three choices (well, two...one is already in place and happening, of course).
:)
Would iChat - a seemingly simple, basic program (nowhere near as complex and full-featured as iTunes) - be something fairly easy to port to XP? I don't know, I'm asking.
I re-read your post and noticed the part about the "not much of a demand for video chat". But you're kinda hitting on the problem...maybe it's a self-solving thing, if there were more people set up this way? I mean, my family and a huge chunk of my friends (including ones back in California and Arizona) are PC-based. Most of them, even. We do the AIM/iChat thing, but it would be really nice to sit and talk to them and see them. And there are enough computer-owning people in the world - Mac AND PC - who are separated from their loved ones, hundreds or thousands of miles.
If something like iChat and the iSight came along for the PC crowd, I bet quite a few people would jump. Properly marketed, of course. Maybe that's where HP would come in, calming those fears many might have by seeing an Apple logo/name on it ("oh, it says Apple +HP, like my new iPod...okay, this will work just as well!").
I think the reason the iSight interest might seem a tad lukewarm is because we're just using it amongst us lowly 3%.
:)
Open that up, to where my good buddy Tiffany in Phoenix can "ring me up" one night...she can see me, I can see her, we can have a fun, natural face-to-face talk. I can give an honest evaluation of her breast augmentation. :D
Multiply that times all the PC users out there.
I think it could be HUGE, if I had more people to do that with, other than just a few Mac users here and there! Hell, it's the promise that was finally delivered! Every half-ass sci-fi film, TV show, etc. for the past 50 years has shown "video conferencing" or "TV phones" or whatever. This brings it. Half the puzzle is in place, on the Apple side. And broadband is only getting more widespread (when my Mom and others like her aren't "big into technology" have embraced the whole cable modem thing, that's a good sign). I FINALLY talked my Mom into cable over a year ago. She tells me all the time she'd never go back.
She's got a brand new HP tower (with FireWire). If the iSight and iChat were there for her, I know that no matter where I lived, we'd have a way to keep in touch that was cheaper and MUCH more friendly than a telephone could ever be. That means something. To me, to her, to thousands - if not millions - of others out there. Would I rather talk to my girlfriend studying in Germany on a phone and worry about the cost, or see her face and expressions for free?
It would be huge. Apple should do it. It would do for families, friendships, staying in touch - and simply communicating - what the iPod/iTunes/iTMS did for the enjoyment of music. Read that David Pogue article sometime, where he was in London for a conference and used an iSight to simply see his family back home in the States. Multiply that times all the people separated by more miles - and for longer times - and the reasons are clear.
iChat is written in Cocoa, whereas iTunes is written in Carbon.
iChat depends on many frameworks, whereas iTunes pretty much only depends on QuickTime.
Most of iChat's frameworks don't exist on Windows, whereas QuickTime has been on Windows for years.
Cocoa on Windows is to my knowledge only used in WebObjects. Carbon on Windows is used in QuickTime and iTunes, and possibly other lil' apps (AirPort Admin Tool, etc.).
BenRoethig
2004-08-28, 14:38
An HP exec. commented in an interview a while back that the iPod deal was only the beginning of a relationship with Apple. The iSight idea might indeed happen as well as Airport Express and other peripherals to add to HP's new consumer line up of TV's and other items.
Just a thought. Apple has a certain image that prevents it from really making mainstream computers. HP does not. If Apple wanted to take a partner to start making mainstream computers based on Apple chipsets and hardware, HP would make a good choice. Once again just a thought. I think the partnership will go no farther than plasma displays and possibly special versions of HP printers to be sold by Apple. However, if Apple wanted to keep its image and still go mainstream, this wouldn't be a bad way to go.
Bananajr
2004-08-31, 03:06
You are missing the bigger picture world wide hp distribution. for example in estonina there is one apple importer who markes up apple products on average 20%+ and there is no apple store here and the apple store in finland will not ship to estonia. so an ipod prices here are 430 usd and 570 usd that is a mark up of 40% hp is sold every where and retail price is retail price thus 299 and 399. I have not bought ipod here because of the price that is finaly not going to be the problem (I got my 17" powerbook in the uk for the same reasion cheper to fly to england buy and fly back then to pay his prices) ok ther real solltion is to integrate estonia into apple finland so we can order direct and get rid of this expensive distrbuter for good. I am assuming this is a simmilar situation is alot of the other markets out side of the USA.
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