View Full Version : Jon Stewart Kicks Crossfire's ASS
drewprops
2004-10-16, 00:11
Did you folks catch the video of Jon Stewart righteously kicking the ass of the two hosts of CNN's CROSSFIRE program? The transcript is here (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0410/15/cf.01.html) and the video is now available on iFilm (http://www.ifilm.com/filmdetail?ifilmid=2652831) (thank you FARK).
This is remarkable.
It's one lone voice, crying out in a wilderness of partisanship and spin. Stewart begs for the end of what pass as hard-hitting political shows today. He calls these guys on hosting shows that do nothing but play into politicians' talking points, becoming part of the story instead of getting to the BOTTOM of the story.
Regardless of your political stance, Jon Stewart's actions on Crossfire should be the first shot fired in a battle to reclaim governance from the claws of the spinmeisters.
Of course, I can't see how this will change popular culture's present take on politics - but this certainly endeared Stewart to me, even if we do disagree on politics.
Read and/or watch the links.
I wish that guests on other political talk shows would take up this cause.
Saw this when it first aired since I follow everything Stewart. The bowtie and Crank Yankers comments were precious.
My God, I didn't think Jon Stewart could be funnier or more insightful than he usually is but it's like he went into OVERDRIVE!
AVI and WMA BitTorrents (http://dv.open4all.info/?postid=84) via Boing Boing (http://www.boingboing.net).
The ending was kind of disappointing, but other than that, it was pretty entertaining, I think that jon would have liked to have said a lot more, but that dork on the right kept being a dork. I was expecting more of an all out gloves are off tirade, but I guess the show hosts had to keep control.
You know what it reminded me of though, when people parse posts in political threads online, they often get down to the sentence, sometimes even parsing sentences into many pieces, that's kind of the vibe I got from that, only it was in real time, as the guy on the right kept interjecting every fucking 2 seconds.
It was still very entertaining though, Jon is such a funny person.
InactionMan
2004-10-16, 00:54
That was incredible. Clearly those douchebags weren't expecting that. Stewart is probably a pretty passive guy but it seemed like he really would've enjoyed breaking Tucker Carlson's nose.
"I thought you were going to be funny"
"I'm not going to be your monkey."
Man. That was just fantastic.
Akumulator
2004-10-16, 01:12
Thanks for the link to this... I finally got to see it. I read the transcript this afternoon after my girlfriend, who also works with me at CNN, told me what happened. She said they were all watching the live feed in between commercials and that Jon Stewert and Fucker Carlson were talking back and forth in what appeared to be a heated exchange.........but there was no audio.
Akumulator
2004-10-16, 01:53
I'm just going to cut and paste this because there's no direct link to it on Salon.com
Jon Stewart: Crossfire "hurting America"
"I think you're a lot more fun on your show," said Tucker Carlson to "Crossfire" guest Jon Stewart this afternoon. "And I think you're as much of a dick on your show as on any other," Stewart shot back. It wasn't the faux avuncularity we've come to expect from Stewart on "The Daily Show" but there, of course, he's playing a role. Here he was himself -- and he wasn't buying any of it.
From the moment Stewart sat down he made no secret of how repugnant he found the show. In fact, he said to Carlson and co-host Paul Begala that he had been so hard on the show he felt it was his duty to come on and say to their faces what he has said to friends and in interviews. What he said was that their show was "hurting America," and he was being only slightly hyperbolic. Stewart told them that when America needed journalists to be journalists they had instead chosen to present theater.
Carlson, trying to affect an air of dry amusement that a comedian would presume to lecture him, important pundit that he is, but looking as if his bow-tie were about to start spinning, could barely contain his outrage. In an absolutely mind-boggling moment, Carlson tried to counter Stewart's criticism by pointing out that during John Kerry's recent appearance on "The Daily Show," Stewart asked the candidate softball questions. "If you want to measure yourself against a comedy show," Stewart said, "be my guest."
Paul Begala tried to put a more conciliatory face on things by pointing out that theirs was a "debate" show. Stewart was having none of it. "I would love to see a real debate show," he said. And went on to tell them that instead of holding politicians' feet to the fire by asking tough question, "you're part of their strategy. You're partisan -- what's the word? -- uh, hacks."
It's almost a cliche by now to talk about "The Daily Show" being more trusted than real newscasts, but Stewart showed why. He pointed out to Carlson that he had asked Kerry if he really were in Cambodia but "I don't care," and when Carlson asked him what he thought about the "Bill O'Reilly vibrator flap," Stewart said, "I don't." It was as concise a demonstration of the triviality of the media as you could hope for.
"I thought you were going to be funny," Carlson said toward the end of the interview. Stewart responded, "No, I'm not going to be your monkey." And that was what was so bracing.
Stewart's "Crossfire" appearance is going to generate talk about how prickly he was, how he wasn't "nice" like he is on "The Daily Show." But prickliness is just what was needed. If you've built your reputation as a satirist pointing out how the media falls down on the job, you're not going to make yourself a part of their charade.
I've heard people talk about "The Daily Show" as an oasis of sanity, a public service. I couldn't agree more. Stewart's appearance on "Crossfire" was another public service. He went on and acted as if the show's purpose really was to confront tough issues, instead of being the political equivalent of pro wrestling. Given a chance to say absolutely what he thought, Stewart took it. He accomplished what almost never happens on television anymore: He made the dots come alive.
alcimedes
2004-10-16, 02:05
the lead in to my show is puppets making prank phone calls. you're CNN.
:lol:
curiousuburb
2004-10-16, 02:06
It was good. Not totally gloves off like Stewart could have been, but good.
I liked the monkey retort.
Wow! My respect for Jon Stewart just went up another notch.
The guy really is amazing for telling it like it is. :)
WOW, reading it and watching it are two completely different experiences...
I thought he was making jokes half the time (because of the laughter pauses) but he was dead-pan serious; the laughs were NERVOUS laughs (from the audience and the hosts). The jokes he did make were not meant to be funny...
The definition of irony.
The sad thing is that Jon will probably be blacklisted from major media other then Comedy Central from here on out. :(
Huh? The transcript is pretty representative of what transpired. It is, of course, funnier to watch the video since it captures the moment a bit better.
CARLSON: I do think you're more fun on your show. Just my opinion.
(CROSSTALK)
CARLSON: OK, up next, Jon Stewart goes one on one with his fans...
(CROSSTALK)
STEWART: You know what's interesting, though? You're as big a dick on your show as you are on any show.
(LAUGHTER)
They were all pretty surprised by that... and again, I don't think Jon was trying to make a joke there. He is serious about Carlson being a dick.
From the (TV) viewer's perspective it all seemed funny; but for the audience and the two hosts especially, very little was humorous about the segment. That is why Carlson made that "fun" comment.
I got the feeling that these guys were being yelled at by their producers through their earpieces (extremely unlikely) but they were clearly unconfortable. The audience felt that too. Stewart really got to them and they were doing all they could to keep from losing their composure while on the air.
Also, I read the transcript four or five hours before I watched the clip and it was a rougher earlier work-in-progress transcript. Your quote seems much more refined compared to what I remember reading.
Of course he's being serious. Even if there wasn't any paragraphing or direction in the transcript, it's crystal clear... I don't see how any word-for-word transcript of his appearance could be cited as ambiguous.
Jon needs to get some qualifications, and run for president.
He'd have 18-24 yr olds probably. Just run on medicare for the old and social security and you have elderly votes.;)
Seriously though, I really love Stewart, he is funny, but he knows hit stuff. I mean, I really believe he sits around and watches news, and soaks up as much information as he can, he seems very informed on real news topics.
Has anyone read, or started to read his book? I am not a big book reader, but I'd be willing to give that a try.
It's sad when the comedians are telling the truth and the politicians are the joke.
It's sad when the comedians are telling the truth and the politicians are the joke.
Look up a comedian named Bill Hicks - he was telling the real deal
(RIP)
drewprops
2004-10-16, 08:28
I'm not sure if I'd agree with all of Jon's platforms but it would certainly be nice to see him run for office one day....but what is that Douggie once said?
Oh yes:
"Those who most desire to rule are, by definition, those least qualified to do so."
Look up a comedian named Bill Hicks - he was telling the real deal
(RIP)
I liked him.
John Stuart is a good one but Real Time with Bill Maher kicks all of their asses. Real guests and satellite guests, not overdone on the comedy thing and Maher is a liberal thinker who actually thinks (and admits when the right has a good idea or the left is off-base on something); he brings up the subjects that the media never will.
Good show and good thread. Thanks
pscates2.0
2004-10-16, 13:18
I agree with Stewart. These "debate" shows (Crossfire, Hannity & Colmes, etc.) are such unwatchable, annoying trainwrecks these days. There's no true debate, just the usual cast of characters from both sides spouting scripted talking points, flinging around veiled insults, being smartasses, interrupting each other, acting like morons.
And those are the hosts!
:eek:
When you add "guests" to the mix...holy shit, what a disaster. Four people all talking at once (yeah, that's enjoyable television!) and people going totally off the topic to insert their pre-made points and echo their side. No one budges an inch, the hosts egg it on, the guests are the same 15-20 people, all acting like assholes and just angling for face-time and going for the big "gotcha" comment.
An embarrassment, all of them.
Honestly, how many more times can we see Ann Coulter, Terry McAuliffe, Dick Morris, Gloria Alred, and about 15 others (always the same ones from a small, select pool who never have anything substantive to say) do this?
I've never learned ANYTHING watching Crossfire, H&C, etc. Just an excuse for grown-ups to act like 11-year-olds for an hour each evening.
Double :rolleyes: with sauce and extra pickles.
I'm not sure if I'd agree with all of Jon's platforms but it would certainly be nice to see him run for office one day....but what is that Douggie once said?
Oh yes:
"Those who most desire to rule are, by definition, those least qualified to do so."Or better yet, to quote the great warrior Kahless:
"Great men do not seek power; they have power thrust upon them."
curiousuburb
2004-10-16, 13:42
Kplah!
curiousuburb
2004-10-16, 13:48
My only beef with the scheduling gods is the fact that all the best teevee hosts are on at the same time.
Charlie Rose, Jon Stewart, Bill Maher (not that I get HBO anyway).
If I time it right, I get the Detroit PBS feed of Charlie, then Jon on Comedy... if not they duel at midnight.
Naderfan
2004-10-16, 14:29
As always, Jon hit the nail right on the head. I don't remember where I read/heard this but Cable News isn't news, it's op-ed pieces. And yet, that's where the majority of our fellow citizens get their news. :no:
As always, Jon hit the nail right on the head. I don't remember where I read/heard this but Cable News isn't news, it's op-ed pieces. And yet, that's where the majority of our fellow citizens get their news. :no:
Apparently the majority of college students get their news from the daily show. :lol:
Akumulator
2004-10-16, 14:39
The shows like Crossfire are definitely op-ed pieces, that's obvious. It's all opinion based. The rest of what's on these channels that's made to look like news is more infotainment than anything.
Btw, my girlfriend just told me that after the show.. on the feed they were watching a couple security guards come out to make sure they didn't get into it.
For the non-torrenting members here, I've put the .avi file on my iDisk:
http://homepage.mac.com/murbot/.Movies/Crossfire_John_Stewart.avi
Enjoy. I sure as hell did. :)
(save linked file to desktop, play with VLC or similar player)
BTW, I forgot to mention earlier, Tucker Carlson is a fucking moron. I've seen this guy a few times and have a weaker constitution than Stewart because I can't even watch the guy for more than about 30 seconds.
It kills me that he wouldn't even acknowledge the difference between Stewart interviewing a politician on a COMEDY show, and Crossfire AS JOURNALISTS (i.e. it's their job to make the candidates present and address facts, not provide entertainment). What a complete GOP dickhead.
The fact that he'd rail Stewart for those three questions, which are all perfectly normal questions to ask a person whose been through a tough race, is indicative of the backwards-ass mentality the GOP tools carry around with them.
Dodge, dodge, dodge and counter-attack. CNN should be ashamed to even have him on as the GOP rep.
autodata
2004-10-16, 16:56
Carlson, in a series of political attacks, has also been making jokes about a real incident where a little girl got disemboweled.
Mass Appeal
2004-10-16, 16:58
For the non-torrenting members here, I've put the .avi file on my iDisk:
http://homepage.mac.com/murbot/.Movies/Crossfire_John_Stewart.avi
Enjoy. I sure as hell did. :)
(save linked file to desktop, play with VLC or similar player)
Thanks for the link Murbot. I was able to catch it when it aired but I want a friends of mine to see it for themselves.
Apparently the majority of college students get their news from the daily show. :lol:
That would be because they're in college... smarter than the average bear and all that. :)
Truly, a freaking *COMEDY SHOW* has better news coverage than most *NEWS SHOWS*. It's just wrong.
Akumulator
2004-10-16, 18:27
CNN should be ashamed to even have him on as the GOP rep.
It's to be expected that cable news stations have overbearing loudmouths to bring in viewers on the opinionated shows. But what really gets me is that Tucker has his own show on PBS. What's the world coming to. :no:
I'd also like to add... the reason news channels have gone to shit is because they're relying on ratings and that determines how much they can charge for commercials. It's a company and relies on money. That's a problem when it comes to programming because it puts it on the same level as any other entertainment show.
drewprops
2004-10-16, 18:43
I'm conservative on a lot of issues, but I'll be darned if I want that bowtie-wearing frat boy out there acting as a public advocate for my beliefs. I don't have cable, so this is the first time that I've seen the show. Stewart's points about this show being "theater" seem dead-on.
I'm sorry but Jon Stewart trumps Bill Maher any day. Maher is always THIS close to whine-factor 12.
bborofka
2004-10-16, 20:51
Heh, this has made it to the front page of Ars even.
link (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20041016-4316.html)
Now if only CNN.com would have an article about it :lol:
I'm sorry but Jon Stewart trumps Bill Maher any day. Maher is always THIS close to whine-factor 12.
If you just take what they say and write down on paper I think you'd be surprised. Maher has a lot of very good insights; it's just his mannerisms and tone of voice that seem whiny at times (and I agree he does). But his complaints and comments are usually astute and the stuff the media "experts" refuse to acknowledge and comment on.
I think also that while both shows are somewhat comedic by definition, Maher's is definitely more serious in tone generally.
drewprops
2004-10-17, 00:25
That's because Bill is such a tortured soul...for real. Ever see him on Leno? Jay is just having fun with the man, but Bill Maher can't resist rising to Leno's bait every time. That's what is so hard for me to digest with Bill's show... his absolute lack of humor. Yes, I agree that it is his mannerisms that repel.
BuonRotto
2004-10-17, 01:13
Stewart's correct (I'll avoid using the term "right"), though he did struggle a bit with articulating his thoughts, aside from being talked over and cut off. He looked very frustrated, both hosts are just so thick and such tools. This thing isn't limited to Crossfire by any means. Watch almost any news show and when the guests come on, the shows try to "balance" them out by making one a self-proclaimed lefty and the other a self-proclaimed righty. The idea is in itself flawed, and it only exacerbates this echo chamber effect either faction is looking for.
The networks of course don't care and are inching closer to reality TV production methods and ethics in order to generate ratings boosts which generate advertising revenue. That's the other lie about the media: that the general culture of the media leans left or right. At the end of the day, while a lot of news people do lean left in personal life, they're just opportunists who looks for advertising revenue, and the God almighty dollar trumps any political allegiance.
I saw an interview with Maureen Dowd, who leans left but hated Clinton and, as far as I can tell, almost any politician out there for playing politics. Anyway, she was saying in this recent TV interview that she gave up on TV and radio shows for a while because she had to declare herself one way or the other. Between her raising a fuss over this and her not playing her role as court liberal, she got out of it for a time and I'm sure shows stopped calling at the same time. I can speculate on what brought her back just as easily, but her point's the same.
Stewart is getting frustrated more and more on his show, and he's starting to get a little too preachy and outraged all the time. I think he's going to have to decide soon whether he's going to get into things on a serious level like Maher or take a step back towards being more generally satirical again.
I downloaded the file that murbot provided a link for and then I downloaded VLC, but I cannot hear anything. (I'm not too clued up on other video formats) Has anybody else experienced this? Any tips?
TIA :)
alcimedes
2004-10-17, 11:13
check the mute button.
:p
<snip>
Stewart is getting frustrated more and more on his show, and he's starting to get a little too preachy and outraged all the time. I think he's going to have to decide soon whether he's going to get into things on a serious level like Maher or take a step back towards being more generally satirical again.
Very true. While he is smart, I think one of his big appeals is that he makes the news fun for a lot of people and points out the bullshit...which is also funny.
It's an interesting choice, I love the daily show, but maybe a non-partisan-hack in the media is what we need more. Question is, could he influence as many people as he does now?
curiousuburb
2004-10-17, 13:54
Jon's comments on the lack of 'journalism' in favour of spin and 'political hackery' should have been primetime criticism four years ago. Accurate then and now.
There's a clip to this effect in the DailyShow archives about actual questions and pushing for actual answers at one Bush press conference from 2003.
RealVideo clip (http://www.comedycentral.com/mp/play.jhtml?reposid=/multimedia/tds/stewart/jon_8097.html&setplayer=real_media)
Priceless.
Messiahtosh
2004-10-17, 14:30
Stewart has done nothing in politics, what does he know about the political process? He makes conjecture based on how he thinks things work, then he throws stones from the side. It's easy to do that.
He knows a lot more then you think.
Have you seen the book? It is basically a HS level poly sci textbook (actually it may be more in-depth then that, I don't know). He knows how things are *supposed* work but in modern day Washington things don't happen that way.
Also, politics is almost an aside in this. The main thing Jon is getting at is the MEDIA's role in this... And he has EVERY right-and credential-to criticize that.
Stewart has done nothing in politics, what does he know about the political process?
And right there you prove his point.
EVERY CITIZEN IN THIS COUNTRY SHOULD KNOW ABOUT THE POLITICAL PROCESS.
The lame-assed US history, social studies, or whatever you want to call it is a massive failure in the educational system.
The other failure is our media, who go for entertainment ratings instead of informing the public.
The fact that you think that this knowledge is esoteric, or only attainable through working *in* politics, shows the frightening state of ignorance in this country at this point in time.
He makes conjecture based on how he thinks things work, then he throws stones from the side. It's easy to do that.
If it were so easy, how come he's one of the few in media screaming correctly that the emperor has no clothes? He was attacking the role of media as part of the political PR machine, and he's utterly 100% right.
curiousuburb
2004-10-17, 15:24
And right there you prove his point.
EVERY CITIZEN IN THIS COUNTRY SHOULD KNOW ABOUT THE POLITICAL PROCESS.
The lame-assed US history, social studies, or whatever you want to call it is a massive failure in the educational system.
The other failure is our media, who go for entertainment ratings instead of informing the public.
The fact that you think that this knowledge is esoteric, or only attainable through working *in* politics, shows the frightening state of ignorance in this country at this point in time.
If it were so easy, how come he's one of the few in media screaming correctly that the emperor has no clothes? He was attacking the role of media as part of the political PR machine, and he's utterly 100% right.
True.
He makes conjecture based on how he thinks things work, then he throws stones from the side. It's easy to do that.
I'd give Jon a lot more credit than your average spinmeister in this regard.
Satire requires an informed audience for best effect.
Perhaps your comment was as much reflection as observation.
Messiahtosh
2004-10-17, 18:24
Jon is arrogant and while on the mark about the way the media spins things, he doesnt understand things very well when he talks about this administration clowning around and acting crazily.
billybobsky
2004-10-17, 18:39
And I suppose you and your 19 years do? The problem is that this is Jon Stewart's life -- mocking the going-ons of the US and the world; it takes an informed person to put together a series of acts by the president that are contradictory etc etc, and Mr. Stewart does it with humor...
Messiahtosh
2004-10-17, 19:58
it takes an informed person to put together a series of acts by the president that are contradictory etc etc What are you talking about?
Whatever you do, don't try to defend Carlson; he's a complete hack-job moron who IMO is a LESS astute political observer than comedian Jon Stewart. I also believe Jon Stewart could probably best a very young, naive and inexperienced lad like yourself in debate so don't be so eager to sound authoritative on these matters.
If my calculations are correct, this will be your first presidential vote coming up so....
Messiahtosh
2004-10-17, 22:05
Whatever you do, don't try to defend Carlson; he's a complete hack-job moron who IMO is a LESS astute political observer than comedian Jon Stewart. I also believe Jon Stewart could probably best a very young, naive and inexperienced lad like yourself in debate so don't be so eager to sound authoritative on these matters.
If my calculations are correct, this will be your first presidential vote coming up so....
I would not discount me against the likes of Jon S. He's probably got 20x the wit I do, but his knowledge of the political process is no more advanced than my own.
And yes, this will be my first vote...
BTW, Tucker is an arrogant/moronic asshole, I in no way defend or approve of him. Jon was just being a complete hole in that segment though. They all were, he in no way stepped beyond what he claimed they did so badly. He was his own show, a circus act (this time triangulated) Crossfire as much as the next Factor, Hardball, Hannity and Colmes etc...
Jon trashed the Crossfire format and used their platform to promote his own book, hilarious, ironic, and ridiculous all at the same time. :p
autodata
2004-10-17, 22:25
I would not discount me against the likes of Jon S. He's probably got 20x the wit I do, but his knowledge of the political process is no more advanced than my own.
Spoken like a true teenager. ;)
Chris,
I didn't see Jon plug his book one time. Begala did that all on his own; I'm sure if he had not said a word of it, Stewart would not have cared at all. His book was already a best seller.
His whole point was to put these guys on the spot and make them own up to their hackery. He was trying to get them to understand that what the public needs from networks like CNN, are people who do not so closely resemble campaign managers for each party, but relatively non-partisan types that hold people's feet to the fire.
Even in the debates, the only two people who did a moderately good job of at least trying to get the candidates to stay on point where the PBS people. Bob Reefer was awful... he would ask questions and both candidates would just go completely off-point from word 1 and he never interjected once.
The job of the moderator is to keep the debaters on point. If they start dodging the questions from word one, the moderator is supposed to speak up and say "you can speak to that later if you wish, but that's not the question I asked you Mr. ____. Please answer the question that was asked and only the question that was asked."
But almost no one has the balls to do that.
Anyway, glad you're smart enough not to defend Tucker, but there is nothing wrong at all with Stewart going on that showing and questioning its very format. Took some real guts to do it IMO, and the points he made were quite valid, though Crossfire certainly isn't alone in terms of politicial hackery masquerading as journalism.
I would not discount me against the likes of Jon S. He's probably got 20x the wit I do, but his knowledge of the political process is no more advanced than my own.
That may just be the stupidest thing you have ever said here.
Messiahtosh
2004-10-17, 22:40
That may just be the stupidest thing you have ever said here.I can back up my statements. I have a background that Stewart does not. It's called being at political events, shaking hands and talking with the "big-wigs" in Washington and Harrisburg, having these people sleep at your house and getting to know them at personal levels.
Jon Stewart didn't have that kind of experience and horizon expansion as a 19 year old kid, not many people do or even will ever approach the type of exposure I've had to real politics and politicians in America.
Silver spoon meet silver tongue.
I can back up my statements. I have a background that Stewart does not. It's called being at political events, shaking hands and talking with the "big-wigs" in Washington and Harrisburg
What do you think he does for a living now? Do you think he doesn't have contact with politicians? Possibly McCain and Kerry for starters I know have been on the show....but he's not exposed to them because......?
Apparently getting to speak with all kinds of politicians and pundits behind the scenes and getting to interview them on television for several years is a less immersive experience than that of the worldy and wise Messiahtosh (aka Mr. Smooth). Ah to be 18... is to know everything and nothing at the same time.
;)
pscates2.0
2004-10-17, 23:15
...and here we go. Again.
Nice, Chris. That internal monologue regulator is still broken, I take it?
Trouble finding parts?
:D
Yikes!
Messiahtosh
2004-10-17, 23:23
My point is, Jon is doing this now in the prime of his career, most people never do it, and I've met these people (on a smaller stage) by the age of 19.
M'tosh - I don't normally buy into threads with you ranting on ... in fact, I find this type of stuff tedious. However, I posted a question about getting the link that murbot posted to play on my TiBook with sound and you are taking the focus away from it.
Can you please start a thread dedicated to "the forming of your political smarts" some place else.
TIA. :)
For the record, folks - I'm trying to get VLC 0.7.2. to play the .mov file that I downloaded from murbot's iDisk with sound so I can hear how this all came out.
My point is, Jon is doing this now in the prime of his career, most people never do it, and I've met these people (on a smaller stage) by the age of 19.
the ones that do meet with them before the age of 19 are usually family members of special interest groups and lobbyists...
that explains a lot.
Messiahtosh
2004-10-17, 23:36
the ones that do meet with them before the age of 19 are usually family members of special interest groups and lobbyists...
that explains a lot.And University lobbyists are so underhanded, right? It's an admirable job and it's cause is great. Some Americans are far too cynical these days...
M'tosh - I don't normally buy into threads with you ranting on ... in fact, I find this type of stuff tedious. However, I posted a question about getting the link that murbot posted to play on my TiBook with sound and you are taking the focus away from it.
Can you please start a thread dedicated to "the forming of your political smarts" some place else.
TIA. :)
For the record, folks - I'm trying to get VLC 0.7.2. to play the .mov file that I downloaded from murbot's iDisk with sound so I can hear how this all came out.
It should work without any problems... outside of checking VLC's volume control, there shouldn't be anything to worry about. Maybe try MPlayer instead?
If that doesn't work, parts of it are available over at iFilm:
http://www.ifilm.com/filmdetail?ifilmid=2652831
An aside: Keep it up you guys, this is entertaining to watch :lol:
Thanks for chiming in MCQ but that website causes Safari to crash *everytime* for some reason. :err: I'm on 10.2.8 running Safari v1.0.3 (v85.8)
I'll take this to the Genius Bar now.
And University lobbyists are so underhanded, right? It's an admirable job and it's cause is great. Some Americans are far too cynical these days...
Lobbyists are lobbyists - paid mercenaries that are only necessary because the system has been yanked out of the hands of the people and placed into the hands of special interest groups who hire... lobbyists. Gotta love those circular self-justifying systems.
And please. By age 10, I had met Jacque Cousteau, played one on one with an NBA champion (Jack Sikma), and spent summers with the family of a state representative. But that doesn't make me an oceanographer, a pro basketball player, or a politician. Don't pose. It's unbecoming.
Messiahtosh
2004-10-18, 00:19
Please, you wouldn't know what a university lobbyist really did unless one was your father.
Ooooooooh, you really shouldn't hand out straight lines like that.
"Are you sure yours is?" :D
I keed.
Seriously, being a lobbyist for a good cause is like being a mercenary for a good cause... the ends are great, the means still suck.
BarracksSi
2004-10-18, 00:36
Dodge, dodge, dodge and counter-attack. CNN should be ashamed to even have him [Tucker Carlson] on as the GOP rep.
I think CNN wants to have him there specifically to trash the GOP's image. :lol:
I also think that Stewart was too nice, although I can't guess how Carlson would have responded if Stewart had said, "Hey, SHUT YOUR HOLE, I'm talking now."
drewprops
2004-10-18, 00:59
'Tosh, shush up or learn to come to an argument with informational ammunition, quick. I'm telling you this for your own good. I am *not* talking about your current beliefs or political affiliations. I'm conservative, but I'm not stupid and I won't argue an issue with someone if they have a good point. The internet isn't really the best place to learn debate techniques because on the internet, everyone is as well-informed and clever as three hours of googling for obscure facts will allow.
Internet chat rooms are right up there with flava-fave cable "debate" shows. Fairly worthless. Yet another phenomenon that is "hurting" America (nay, the WORLD). Just STOP. Please. (that wish being directed to the world of internet politics).
Thanks to MCQ who pointed me to a QT file of this interview. I liked the way Jon conducted himself and I thought that he showed considerable restraint letting Carlson (the bow tie guy) have the last little dig before signing off.
Good on him for making his stand and being upfront about his feelings on this matter - moreso, for being direct about it with his hosts on their show.
Messiahtosh
2004-10-18, 09:18
Ooooooooh, you really shouldn't hand out straight lines like that.
"Are you sure yours is?" :D
I keed.
Seriously, being a lobbyist for a good cause is like being a mercenary for a good cause... the ends are great, the means still suck.If there are some things that go on that are not exactly clear-cut, but in the end, the result is a happy lesiglator, a richer school, and a better off community and family, then I think what goes on is fine. Of course, there are some things that should be cleaned up within the system, but that's not my dad's job. He knows the system and accepts it, it's not his job to change it, he works within it and does what he has to do (legally of course) to help Penn State's funding.
BuonRotto
2004-10-18, 09:52
Ah to be 18... is to know everything and nothing at the same time.
;)
That's why they're called "sophomores," literally!
I get irked by the idea that some celebrity has more input and clout on politics than I do, but that doesn't mean they can't say what they feel. The idea that someone sides with an issue because it's Jon Stewart or Alec Baldwin or Charleton Heston is what bugs me. I can't blame them for taking advantage of their prviliege in this way, and certainly can't rightly say that they should keep their mouth shut. Really, doesn't the fact that Crossfire had Jon Stewart: Comedian! on its program speak to how the show is more about entertainment than political issues? I mean, Stewart proves his own point by getting on the show to begin with. :D
Also, the Democrat lapdog in that show basically kept quiet. He's hard to notice anyway, but at least Carlson, flawed arguments and all, made an effort to justify himself. Better to defend your position than to be milquetoast in the middle of that.
__________
So before we get this political thread locked, let's realize that what is so repugnant about the goings-on at AI and other political forums isn't a discussion of politics per se, it's the refusal to actually discuss them which means really considering other points of view. The dogmatic, ossified and absolute intolerance of other points of view is what is so fruitless there. If those people don't want others opinions getting in the way, set up a soapbox/blog for the purpose of pontificating without dissent (and be sure to turn off comments ;) ). If you believe what you believe, state it and move on. No sense in doing the AI thing and restating your position in a billion similar threads with the same general point to be made in all of them. No one here should expect to convert anyone else no matter how much they carry on.
Also, the Democrat lapdog in that show basically kept quiet. He's hard to notice anyway, but at least Carlson, flawed arguments and all, made an effort to justify himself. Better to defend your position than to be milquetoast in the middle of that.
Wow, I interpreted his silence as a singular moment of clarity for him, in that keeping his mouth shut only helped him not look like more of a fool. Carlson... not so much.
This thread was closed for renovation and has now been reopened after a cleanup on aisle seven.
Keep it clean, guys. Please.
curiousuburb
2004-10-18, 17:37
*sniffs*
Hey, fresh pine scent. Thanks for the cleanup.
curiousuburb
2004-10-18, 17:42
I think there are some stray e's in my Lipogram thread if you've still got the mop handy. ;)
Carlson thinks Stewart looked stupid on the show??!
Moron (http://www.canada.com/ottawa/ottawacitizen/news/arts/story.html?id=37392a9c-b59b-4c29-ae4a-a8d848407e93).
Yeah, but your national anthem smells like.....um, I mean, you have to admit you're from....umm......yeah, um...canada.com?...You're like....Canadian!!!
I love beer.
Molson (http://www.molson.com/home/index.php).
I think that is what he was going for, but wanted to keep it relevant to the topic.
Yeah, but your national anthem smells like.....um, I mean, you have to admit you're from....umm......yeah, um...canada.com?...You're like....Canadian!!!
You're an asshole.
:lol:
heh heh
Oh, and I'm losing my Molson love. I'm chugging Kokanee lately. :p
Dude! Don't they like, kick you out of the country for that? I mean, grabbing a Kokanee on the *side* is one thing, but *replacing Molson*?!? That's... that's... Uncanadian!
I think that's the first time I've ever seen that word... :D
curiousuburb
2004-10-19, 00:04
Kokanee used to be a BC secret. Others are discovering it.
Messiahtosh
2004-10-19, 00:10
Do any of you have jobs?
Nope.
Tell your dad this academic needs money, so he needs to work harder.
You're an asshole. :D :D :D
Messiahtosh
2004-10-19, 00:24
Nope.
Tell your dad this academic needs money, so he needs to work harder.He works ungodly hours and travels 3-4 days a week. My mom does too, as she was in Texas over the weekend, chasing donors. It aint easy.
Akumulator
2004-10-19, 00:30
My mom does too, as she was in Texas over the weekend, chasing donors. It aint easy.
Actually, she wasn't in Texas... she was in Atlanta. I have her a HUGE donation.
Messiahtosh
2004-10-19, 00:36
Actually, she wasn't in Texas... she was in Atlanta. I have her a HUGE donation.You should be banned. :)
Oh shit. Here we go again...
He works ungodly hours and travels 3-4 days a week. My mom does too, as she was in Texas over the weekend, chasing donors. It aint easy.
sprinkles!
curiousuburb
2004-10-19, 02:11
Jon was hilarious tonight addressing his Crossfire appearance.
Should be online tomorrow.
eventhorizon
2004-10-19, 04:43
Where do you guys go for daily show video archives? i can't find a decent bittorrent tracker that has them.
drewprops
2004-10-19, 07:59
This is off-topic, please skip ahead if you're not reading Messiahtosh's hijack of this thread into a discussion of lobbyists. Thank you.
We recently hired lobbyists to help us with an attempt to get a bill passed in our state to make Georgia more competitive in the film industry. One was a Democrat the other a Republican, together they were quite a team. We were amazed that it was so difficult to get passage for a bill which was so obviously (to us anyway) beneficial to the state's income. It seemed like such a short putt that lobbyists were a frivolity. They weren't. The Governor quietly put a hit on the bill because he wants to get the credit for the passage of such legislation, not his opposition (who happened to introduce the bill (which passed the House with flying colors)). This year our Governor has his own hand-picked committee "studying" this issue. In the meantime five to ten more features have gone to Louisiana, millions of dollars which might have buoyed the state's depleted budget. So lobbyists don't have ultimate power in the system, even if they do have far-reaching influence.
There. This was an OFF-TOPIC discussion. Should've been turned into a DIFFERENT THREAD, much as MANY of one of our FREQUENT POSTER'S (no names :rolleyes: ) posts tend to be. Please, in future, consider STARTING a new thread instead of trashing up a thread like I have just done (as an example).
I'll bet we both get sent to the Principal's office for this. But it was worth it.
drewprops
2004-10-19, 08:07
On topic, since I don't have cable (quelle horreur!), I'm curious to find out what kind of tack Jon took on the show. Is it "all over" or is Neo all tingly with his newfound power? Can we expect to perhaps see him go onto another political talk show to press his plank? Without the confrontational element it might not reverberate across the net though.... we did respond to the shock value. If he had gone onto Charlie Rose and had a well-stated four minute condemnation would it have caught our collective attentions? Nope.
Part of the problem is that WE allow shows like Hardline and Crossball to exist. Who's the enabler?? WHO'S THE ENABLER???
Sorry cha-cha, I got a little out of control.
Messiahtosh
2004-10-19, 10:10
A discussion of lobbyists is certainly more interesting than rehashing a discussion about Jon Stewarts Crossfire appearance. What were the ratings of that show before Jon came on? I doubt they were high.
drewprops
2004-10-19, 10:28
Murbot: nailgun please.
Where do you guys go for daily show video archives? i can't find a decent bittorrent tracker that has them.
Comedycentral.com streams highlights from every episode, they also have a fairly large archive of various footage from episodes.
Jon was hilarious tonight addressing his Crossfire appearance.
Should be online tomorrow.
If you find it want to link it?
curiousuburb
2004-10-19, 15:24
Older videos from the comedy central archive are often in RealVideo format.
Sadly, they've recently switched to WMP9.
To their credit, the Daily Show was actually worth downloading WMP for.
curiousuburb
2004-10-19, 15:24
If you find it want to link it?
I looked this morning, and it doesn't appear to be up yet... maybe once tonight's show airs.
curiousuburb
2004-10-19, 15:28
As I recall, Jon starts the show with:
"So what did you do on Friday. <pause> I got a haircut... and called a guy a Dick on national television." :lol:
Continues with highlights from the last 2 presidential debates.
Ed Koch as guest (not bad, but the opening segments are better).
boing boing link to the video... (http://www.boingboing.net/2004/10/19/jon_stewart_on_his_c.html) which is currently swamped... I have yet to see it.
Greatest line ever from that site, (orginally from the washington post) " But, in fairness, Stewart admitted that the "Crossfire" gang had come back at him pretty strong.
"They said I wasn't being funny. And I said to them, 'I know that, but tomorrow I will go back to being funny, and your show will still blow.' "
By the way Jon Carvelle can now kiss my ass.
curiousuburb
2004-10-19, 16:42
I also loved his dig at Robert Novak last night... among 3 other Crossfire hosts who "are also dicks":
"I don't think Novak broke his hip... I think his hip was trying to escape." :D
alcimedes
2004-10-19, 16:49
Jon's bit on his show (http://www.alcimedes.com/stewart.mov)
curiousuburb
2004-10-19, 17:09
Jon's bit on his show (http://www.alcimedes.com/stewart.mov)
edit: works now. but a bit slow to load.
alcimedes
2004-10-19, 17:12
web server reboot. should work fine now.
curiousuburb
2004-10-19, 17:22
As far as the opening digs went, that clip is great (if short).
Jon came back to the Crossfire appearance a few more times until Ed Koch came on.
If folks find a torrent of the whole show or longer segments, they're worth watching as well.
Thanks Alcimedes, and that was hilarious.
Last nights will be replayed at 7 EST tonight.
A discussion of lobbyists is certainly more interesting than rehashing a discussion about Jon Stewarts Crossfire appearance. What were the ratings of that show before Jon came on? I doubt they were high.
http://www.comedycentral.com/tv_shows/thedailyshowwithjonstewart/images/071.pdf
drewprops
2004-10-21, 23:46
Jon Stewart will be on 60 Minutes this weekend....set your PVR's~
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/21/60minutes/main650690.shtml
curiousuburb
2004-10-31, 11:03
Show summary is up... looks good.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/21/60minutes/main650690.shtml
And if you haven't watched his Oct 13 appearance on C-Span, it's well worth the hour.
Direct RealVideo link (rtsp://video.c-span.org/project/c04/c04102304_stewart.rm)
LudwigVan
2004-10-31, 14:43
And if you haven't watched his Oct 13 appearance on C-Span, it's well worth the hour.
Direct RealVideo link (rtsp://video.c-span.org/project/c04/c04102304_stewart.rm)
Thanks for the link. (Buffering... Buffering... Buffering...) Interesting stuff.
;)
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