Am I the only one who can't wait for the iPhone SDK? [Archive]

Gizzer

2008-02-06, 05:34

Maybe it's just me, but I've been looking forward to the release of the iPhone SDK just as much as I was looking forward to MacWorld 2008.

To my mind, this is going to place the iPhone into a whole new playing field. As a consumer, this will add a longevity to the phone that could just run and run.

Just think:
Enhanced messaging (MMS/Corporate email compatability etc.)
Productivity software,
Games,
Plus crap loads of stuff I can't even think of.

My personal wish list is for 2 more apps: SplashID and an MMS client - that would make my iPhone complete :D

I can't wait to see how the next couple of weeks will pan out. I'm hoping an announcement of some sort followed by some useful developer walk-throughs on what you can and can't do with the SDK. And hopefully, I would imagine 3 or 4 launch apps just to get the ball rolling.

Even if iTunes is the delivery method (just like iPod games) that would be okay by me - I'd pay similar money for the enhanced functionality. Plus (you'd hope) that the iTunes delivery method is a reasonable guarantee of application quality and stability.

Not that I like wishing time away, but roll on the next couple of weeks :D

Is anyone else excited by this? Also, would you prefer a completely iTunes managed delivery method, or a more open WinMo/Symbian ecosystem where you just buy software direct from the developer?

chucker

2008-02-06, 05:50

iTunes delivery is happening, or at least planned; there was some hidden string or other form of evidence discovered a few weeks ago. (Sorry, I don't recall the details.) However, that doesn't have to mean it'll be the exclusive means.

Excitement? Sure. I can't really see the SDK being particularly well-documented from day one, but I know for a fact a lot of indie devs can't wait. Apple permitting, there will be a huge wave of apps. (Perhaps one day, I'll be shipping one of them. Wink wink nudge nudge.)

My worry? Apple will needlessly stifle development by requiring iTunes-based deployment, and perhaps even demanding a share of the revenues. That would mean no freeware at all!

Let's hope not.

Wyatt

2008-02-06, 07:12

I don't think even Apple is dumb enough to completely disallow freeware.

I'm pretty excited about the SDK, too. I can't wait to get my hands on it to see what I can do with it. I want a to-do list more than anything, so I'm planning to make an app for that as soon as the SDK is available.

chris e boy

2008-02-06, 07:38

I'm really looking forward to this. Imagine having a SlingPlayer on your iPhone, that would be truly awesome. Plus there is a lot of scope for touch-screen and motion sensor based games. Just look at some of the innovative stuff they have on the Nintendo DS.

Other applications I look forward to include an eBook reader (I read a lot of books on my Palm Tungsten). Lets just hope that Apple's terms are lenient enough for ordinary developers to release the applications they want to release and that the payment system is flexible enough to allow cheap (and free) software.

Yontsey

2008-02-06, 08:35

give me iChat and I'll be happy or at the very least some sort of aim chat client. I'm sick of using FlickIM and those other programs.

wecallitfall

2008-02-08, 12:11

MY wishlist

iWork lite :)
Some form of last.fm scroblling app
Coversutra
Adium

pscates2.0

2008-02-08, 13:16

Surely someone can create a giant, white/bright screen and it be freeware, right? I just want a door/key "flashlight" that doesn't rely on an Internect connection...

How hard could this be to make? :confused:

And is a movie widget that actually works too much to ask for? I keep trying different ones on my Mac, including Apple's, but lately they're all lacking. Not loading all local theaters, or not displaying proper showtimes or even movie listings. I would think this would be a fairly easy app to create/maintain, but I guess they're not getting the right feed from the theaters themselves?

:confused:

I'd be pretty damn happy with just a "flashlight", reliable movie theater/showtimes and maybe some sort of iChat function (but that would probably be an Apple, in-house solution).

King Kovifor

2008-02-08, 14:42

I can't wait. I want to mess with it and see what little apps I can get on my iPod Touch...

HezMah19

2008-02-08, 20:31

Surely someone can create a giant, white/bright screen and it be freeware, right? I just want a door/key "flashlight" that doesn't rely on an Internect connection...

How hard could this be to make? :confused:

Mr Scates:

If your iPhone is Jailbroken then there is an App that does just that, called, conveniently, Flashlight.

pscates2.0

2008-02-08, 20:38

It's not jailbroken, and it's not gonna be. :)

I'm just not comfortable doing all that stuff, and forever chasing my tail and worrying about which Apple update is going to undo everything, and then waiting for a new fix, etc. Ugh. I'm just not that kind of user, and I don't have that sort of patience or desire. Not going to dick around with something as important to me as my (sole) phone.

I'll wait for something legit to arrive via the SDK release. Shouldn't be long. In the meantime, I use a blank e-mail or SMS page. Lots of white glow...

scratt

2008-02-08, 21:17

You mean you guys don't have the SDK yet?
*gently brushes USB HD enclosure just next to his MBP* :p

I for one am the most excited about this platform than I have been about anything for a good many years, and already have several apps I hope to put out there.. I started working on some of them on the unofficial SDK a while back, but am really looking forward to having final products which are real neat and tidy..

Actually developing for the phone you use on a daily basis is a really cool feeling.

wecallitfall

2008-02-09, 18:16

'scates you mean this (http://www.apple.com/webapps/utilities/vflashlight.html)?

:)

Wyatt

2008-02-09, 18:19

'scates you mean this (http://www.apple.com/webapps/utilities/vflashlight.html)?

:)
Yeah, that's what he meant. But he also said he wanted one that doesn't rely on an Internet connection, so he does still need to wait for the SDK (or jailbreak his phone).

pscates2.0

2008-02-09, 21:42

What fcgriz said. I'd like that, just with a simple homescreen button I could push, that was "instant on" (and not needing EDGE or Wi-Fi)...

Koodari

2008-02-09, 22:16

Not really anxious here as iPhone isn't even for sale. :p

My interest in the device will begin in earnest when there is an OmniFocus app for it that does not require network to use and store its info.

Little and obvious technical things that make a better telephone usually made hard on "smart" phones, like an option to auto-record all calls I make or receive in a standard format ready to store on the computer, could make me want the thing madly.

luxuryreplica

2008-02-09, 23:23

GOLDFRAPP

2008-02-10, 00:08

my wish list:

skype
adium
dictionary
candybar
photo booth
screen capture utility

pscates2.0

2008-02-10, 01:18

Does anyone know if it is possible for an application to be run that can permit the iPhone's camera to record video?

Productivity applications would be essential.

Something to where you could post images from your iPhone's camera roll online.

Some kind of ftp and a barebones mini-website design application.

Is it even possible to create some fingerpainting/drawing program for the iPhone? something like a very simple sketchpad where you could zoom in and out, change brushes, colors, and erase.

Those are good things I've wanted.

I'd like a way to throw a photo I've taken to my iDisk for instant hosting/sharing. I find that lacking feature a hassle sometimes, believe it or not. A bit more control over photos in general. If someone e-mails me a really nice photo, I'd like to be able to make it into a wallpaper. I currently see no way to do this. I'd even be okay with the ability to save e-mailed JPEGs to my photos library (and from there I could make a wallpaper).

Also, the ability to attach more than item to an e-mail would come in handy. I'll take three pictures and I have to send three separate e-mails to the same person/people to show them. Seems weird...

Just little, easy things like that.

And yes, for the ultimate time killer the little "finger-doodle" app...

And yes...a screen capture utility!

wecallitfall

2008-02-10, 04:17

I forgot to add a dedicated RSS reader

Although the Newsgator web app is great I'd love to see something "desktop class" as Apple would describe it, complete with an unread count bubble thing!

There really is so much potential for this SDK, I just hope the pricing and distribution is done right

MBHockey

2008-02-10, 09:07

Native GTalk client and MMS, and i'm happy :)

blakbyrd

2008-02-10, 14:21

My wishlist:

Ability to record short video or audio clips
Bluetooth to be given the ability to control Front Row on Mac
Chat
Games
Radio
Unit Conversion
White Pages
Yellow Pages

luxuryreplica

2008-02-10, 17:41

Those are good things I've wanted.

I'd like a way to throw a photo I've taken to my iDisk for instant hosting/sharing. I find that lacking feature a hassle sometimes, believe it or not. A bit more control over photos in general. If someone e-mails me a really nice photo, I'd like to be able to make it into a wallpaper. I currently see no way to do this. I'd even be okay with the ability to save e-mailed JPEGs to my photos library (and from there I could make a wallpaper).

Also, the ability to attach more than item to an e-mail would come in handy. I'll take three pictures and I have to send three separate e-mails to the same person/people to show them. Seems weird...

Just little, easy things like that.

And yes, for the ultimate time killer the little "finger-doodle" app...

And yes...a screen capture utility!

I totally agree with you on the general controls of photos on the iPhone. there has been several times where I have wanted to download an image to my phone and use it as wallpaper or later sync it to my computer...

There has also been instances where my friend would send me a photo text message and I would never receive the image, which is kind of unfortunate...

Another thing which would be interesting is a "remote desktop" kind of feature where you could control your mac from another room, or even location — like a remote for itunes or if you had to do some minor image editing in photoshop for example, that would be great! Imagine if you could edit a document you accidentally left at home and email it to your work!

:)

chris e boy

2008-02-11, 07:23

Wyatt

2008-02-11, 07:26

'scates, why not create a blank white image and sync it to your photo gallery?

Brilliant. I think we have a winner.

pscates2.0

2008-02-11, 11:20

Great idea. I'll do that. Is there a way I can make that something I can access from the home screen, easily with one click (and not have to go clicking 3-4 layers to reach it)? Or are websites the only thing you can do that with?

:confused:

It'll work in the meantime...making one now.

chucker

2008-02-11, 11:57

pscates2.0

2008-02-11, 12:04

No.

rdlomas

2008-02-11, 12:33

I'm REALLY itching for a SlingPlayer iPhone app.

Paranoid666au

2008-02-11, 23:29

So how does this SDK work. Will anyone with Mac OS X and Xcode be able to develop for the iPhone/Touch? Or will the SDK be a separate download and will Apple charge for it?

Wyatt

2008-02-12, 07:33

So how does this SDK work. Will anyone with Mac OS X and Xcode be able to develop for the iPhone/Touch? Or will the SDK be a separate download and will Apple charge for it?
We have no idea at this point, really. We likely won't know until the day it comes out.

The majority of us are hoping for a free download that works with XCode, but nobody knows for sure yet.

chris e boy

2008-02-12, 07:38

Have you tried making a bookmark for about:blank? :D

Thats what I was going to suggest. Works really well. Just tap about:blank in the address bar in Safari (on your iPhone), click the plus icon (in 1.1.3) and select "add to home screen"

scratt

2008-02-12, 09:04

It's funny isn't it?

We are all hoping for that... But in our guts, if we are honest with ourselves, we know it's not gonna be quite that simple..

Doxxic

2008-02-14, 09:36

I could imagine Apple allowing only software distributed via the iTunes Store (both free and paid), in order to avoid unexpected problems.

They could make a selection, check it for problems and make it available in batches, interceded by iPhone updates improving the OS' reliability.
And then, only after several rounds, they can allow installation of software distributed without the iTunes Store, so everyone has access to the iPhone.

This would mean though that initially, developers need special developers accounts on iTunes in order to run their own software on their own iPhones...

jouster

2008-02-14, 11:00

joveblue

2008-02-16, 02:04

AI says it will be through iTS

Chief among the revelations was that Apple will apparently manage and distribute software for the iPhone and iPod touch written using its upcoming Software Developers Kit (SDK) through its ubiquitous iTunes Store.
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/02/15/leak_third_party_iphone_apps_to_be_issued_through_ itunes_store.html

GOLDFRAPP

2008-02-27, 12:44

the wait is (almost) over

http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/27/apple-event-confirmed-for-march-6th/

turtle

2008-02-27, 13:41

Yeah, It's a neat invitation too. :)

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/bto/20080227/top3_540x357.jpg

wecallitfall

2008-02-27, 15:31

mmmm "iPhone software roadmap" event sounds more like: "shit we said February didn't we, well maybe if we say everything is nearly ready that will keep the mobs away from Cupertino for a bit longer"

i hope we see some apps released next week

evan

2008-02-27, 18:09

yeah roadmap definitely sounds like they're still a ways off from releasing it, or at least until actual programs are available for everyday iphone users.

Doxxic

2008-02-28, 09:21

Yeah, It's a neat invitation too. :)

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/bto/20080227/top3_540x357.jpg

Is the road indeed leading from "Enterprise" via "SDK" towards "Software Update", as the arrow suggests?
The other way would seem more logical to me... But then, why the arrow?

MBHockey

2008-02-28, 16:46

This is weak.

Why do they constantly make public, unrealistic deadlines for themselves?

Now we have to wait until WWDC for the real thing? :grumble:

http://www.macrumors.com/2008/02/28/iphone-sdk-in-beta-only-more-3g-iphone-predictions/

pscates2.0

2008-03-05, 10:14

I was wondering if the reason we didn't get any sort of updates or releases on Tuesday was because they were waiting until tomorrow, and it will be a "press release only" type of update, or maybe Jobs will devote a few minutes, starting off with "hey, we updated the iMac and Mac mini, so be sure to check them out after today's presentation. Okay, on to the iPhone..."?

They've done it before, I believe.

Mac mini and iMac are both due for updates (and these newer Intel things are now out), and wouldn't it make a slightly bigger splash to announce them with some assembled media in the room, rather than just throwing them up on the site on a Tuesday morning (where only Mac geeks - ahem, "loyal followers" - are paying attention)?

:)

Just curious...

The Mac mini could get up to 2.0-2.2GHz, with the newer Intel graphics (X3100?), larger hard drives, etc. Would certainly make me feel better about recommending it to others.

The iMac will probably just get a slight processor bump. Can't imagine what else they could do to it...it's already "there" in terms of good specs. Maybe a hard drive bump (500GB) and some sort of graphics card bump as well (256MB on all models)?

Wyatt

2008-03-05, 10:20

The iMac needs at least the GeForce 8600 from the MacBook Pro, but I doubt we'll see it. It's a shame, really. Until the current iMac, the iMac and MBP had been pretty much identical hardware (the same could be said for the mini and MB).

I wouldn't be surprised to see Jobs talk about more than just the iPhone tomorrow, but like you said, I think it'll be a brief mention, if anything.

I can also see them taking a break from the release cycle for this week and next to let the SDK get all the attention.

pscates2.0

2008-03-05, 12:46

That's true. Maybe that's what will happen. Although who, besides developers and ultra-rabid iPhone geeks (all 35 of them), will really care about the things talked about tomorrow (from what I can tell, it's not even a full-blown "release" of anything, but rather a "map" or "what's to come" type of thing, making it even more limited in scope/appeal)?

It's not as though a new iPhone or gadget is being introduced (or is it... :devil: ), appealing to tons of regular people. It sounds like tomorrow is more of a "mini-WWDC" type of deal, aimed at a smaller, focused segment of the Mac-using community (developers), and less of a "hey, it's a big, cool event for everyone!" thing anyway.

It's barely registering on my radar because I'm neither a developer or ultra-rabid iPhone geek. I'll read about it after-the-fact, sure. But I'm not planning my day around it, like I would a Macworld keynote or some other "special media event" about a more universal, wide-appeal announcement.

We'll see what shakes out. Maybe a couple of "surprise" software releases, to "whet our appetites" could be something in the works?

Yeah, I wouldn't expect a big spiel on new Macs tomorrow. But if they did get a quiet update, it really wouldn't surprise me either. Have they ever done that on a Thursday?

:confused:

dfiler

2008-03-05, 15:29

Edit: Doh. Just realized I replied after reading page one but not reading page two of the thread. So the following comment would be more pertinent a month ago. :o

My guess is that the SDK will be free.

Does apple have any development tools that aren't free? (honest question)

Even if it isn't, just think about how much we're saving nowadays... god only knows how much money I sunk into the Inside Mac series. Then came the internet. ;)

JohnnyTheA

2008-03-05, 23:43

They are probably going to have some kinda of mechanism such that any distributed Apps have to go through the iTunes store to control rogue apps and have a trace-back to anyone that might try to do such.. They have hinted towards this type of arrangement. I don't think it will be possible, without hacking, to compile your own app and distribute yourself. I hope that the SDK (or Beta SDK which I hope comes out soon) will allow you to run and test on your own iPhone/Touch and then maybe go through some cert process if you want to distribute it. I hope whatever scheme they come up with doesn't stifle independent (small, broke) developers....

JTA

pscates2.0

2008-03-06, 00:44

Something cool just dawned on me (I think it might be cool...it's kinda late and I'm a bit loopy)...but thinking about all this SDK stuff and the iPhone being on the brink of getting some new features and functions something occurred to me:

Wouldn't it be cool if your iPhone could double as a webcam?

:D

If you dock it, put it in camera mode (that shutter thing) and then select "iPhone" as some source in iChat...

Is this, in any way whatsoever, possible?

It should be...

Chinney

2008-03-06, 09:43

Not really anxious here as iPhone isn't even for sale. :p

[...]

Yes, but I am assuming that most of the SDK product will be relevant for the Touch as well, which is on sale everywhere, and is sitting right in front of me on the desk.

Wyatt

2008-03-06, 09:51

Yes, but I am assuming that most of the SDK product will be relevant for the Touch as well, which is on sale everywhere, and is sitting right in front of me on the desk.
Jobs said iPhone applications made in the SDK would run on the touch, so anything that doesn't use Bluetooth should work just fine.

Chinney

2008-03-06, 10:18

[..]

I'd like a way to throw a photo I've taken to my iDisk for instant hosting/sharing. I find that lacking feature a hassle sometimes, believe it or not. A bit more control over photos in general. If someone e-mails me a really nice photo, I'd like to be able to make it into a wallpaper. I currently see no way to do this. I'd even be okay with the ability to save e-mailed JPEGs to my photos library (and from there I could make a wallpaper).

[...]

In general, more integration between the apps (I am thinking of mail in particular) would be nice.

Example: As far as I can see, if someone sends me an appointment via e-mail, I can only add it to my calendar if I open up the mail account I use on the Touch on my computer, accept it on the computer and then sync my computer’s appointments with the Touch. I would like to be able to do this directly on the Touch itself. I.e., open up the e-mail on the Touch and have the appointment being added directly to the Touch’s calendar.

Actually, with just a bit more integration, I think that the iPhone/Touch could be engineered to bypass entirely the need to hard sync except for large scale syncing (such as an initial sync or general update).

Stupid question in this last regard: Can calendars themselves be stored/accessed on something equivalent to IMAP, so that updates to my calendar linked to my e-mail account are always available, regardless of what device I use to access the calendar? I guess the idea is similar to what can be achieved with Google calendar, but I don’t think that it is exactly the same thing. That is just web-based and, as far as I can tell (I have never used it), requires you to be online whenever accessing the calendar. I am thinking of something that is based on the native device calendar, and can be accessed if you are online or not, but is updated (and sends updates) to the version stored on the remote server whenever you do go online.

Wyatt

2008-03-06, 11:56

Well, it's almost time now. We're 5 minutes away. Or 30 minutes, if this runs on the same late schedule the MWSF keynote did this year.

Of course, I just remembered I have class at 1:40. The lecture should be mostly review, though, so constant refreshing shouldn't be a big distraction. :p

Xaqtly

2008-03-06, 12:13

Yes yes yes! Push contacts, global address list, Cisco IPsec VPN, authentication and certs, enterprise class WiFi (WPA2 / 802.1x), security policies, enterprise configuration tools, remote wipe, MS Exchange with licensed ActiveSync - all in the next software release!

pscates2.0

2008-03-06, 12:20

A couple of buddies of mine are over the moon at this news. Their iPhones just got super useful/full-featured for them. :)

Seems to be a pattern with Apple...they aren't always first or early on desired features, and you sometimes have to wait and "suffer" a bit. But then they bring it in a pretty big, nice way.

The CD-R thing from years ago. They were late to that party, but when they finally arrived, they made the process as easy and "duh...well, this is the way it should've been done - by everyone - from the start!"

Is there an iPhone software update coming today then?

Xaqtly

2008-03-06, 12:27

They haven't said yet.... still talking about the SDK. Schiller said "and I think when we release these features..." which says to me that it's not ready today. But it sounds like the SDK is ready today.

Xaqtly

2008-03-06, 12:51

OMG. EA is there and they're demoing freakin' SPORE on the iPhone.

macleod

2008-03-06, 13:11

Not until June?!?

bassplayinMacFiend

2008-03-06, 13:37

You can grab the beta SDK today. Won't go live until late June. This will coincide with the v2.0 iPhone software release.

iPod Touch users will have to pay $$ if they want this software update.

kieran

2008-03-06, 13:43

iPod Touch users will have to pay $$ if they want this software update.

Here we go again with the debate about why Apple does this.

We account for iPod touch differently than we account for iPhone, so there will be "nominal charge"

wecallitfall

2008-03-06, 14:07

I wish there were Apps available today, but i suppose good things come to those who wait

Nice to see that 2.0 will be a free upgrade, June can't come soon enough

pscates2.0

2008-03-06, 14:16

Because they've chosen such a new "high" number (a full "2.0", vs. 1.1.5 or 1.1.6 or whatever), that leaves room, I assume, for other "1.1.x" updates to come (bug fixes, or maybe even a new app or two)? We might see a 1.1.5 with AIM or some sort of free game between now and June, just as a a teaser/hype-instigator type of thing?

Or will it take 2.0 to actually run new, standalone apps? I'm not clear on this.

Might just be the usual in-house bug fixes and enhancements until v2.0?

bassplayinMacFiend

2008-03-06, 14:31

Here we go again with the debate about why Apple does this.

Oh, I wasn't starting a debate. As an accountant I understand full well the impact SarbOx has had. I was mentioning it because if you don't already own an iTouch and really want these new features, it might behoove you to hold off on your purchase until June if you don't mind the wait.

Because they've chosen such a new "high" number (a full "2.0", vs. 1.1.5 or 1.1.6 or whatever), that leaves room, I assume, for other "1.1.x" updates to come (bug fixes, or maybe even a new app or two)? We might see a 1.1.5 with AIM or some sort of free game between now and June, just as a a teaser/hype-instigator type of thing?

Or will it take 2.0 to actually run new, standalone apps? I'm not clear on this.

Might just be the usual in-house bug fixes and enhancements until v2.0?

Well, they're allowing developers to put applications on their phones now for testing purposes. All the pieces aren't there yet even for the beta though. Interface Builder for the iPhone isn't done yet (unavailable). I figure v2.0 will include all the infrastructure enhancements to include the iApp store on your iPhone.

Heck, as long as I can get my programs onto my iPhone, I'm not worried about the other stuff. :) Already have my first program in mind, a flight log for my R/C aircraft.

Xaqtly

2008-03-06, 15:27

Super Monkey Ball on the iPhone. I am so there.

BuonRotto

2008-03-06, 20:36

Ooh! Ooh! New icons for calculator and iTunes (née iTunes WiFi Store?)

....I got here late. :p

artesc

2008-03-06, 20:49

well, I have to say Apple really outdid itself this time. The only possible thing they could have done to make this better is to have actually released the final product today (even that is questionable, who wants buggy apps from over-eager developers?)

sometimes apple just really gets it right, i mean, basically everything everyone was asking for. Amazing. eve voip (imgane, you have your home wifi network set up, and you can get rid of your landline and exclusively use your iPhone, at next to nothing cost...plus it works anywhere with wi fi, and you don't even have to jailbreak your phone....can't believe att&t is too happy about this) and imagine all the games, the beautiful, beautiful games, on the beautiful screen. Wow!

there are things we can't even imagine coming our way.

(looks like my stock is heading upwards in the not too distant future (hopefully)) :)

damn, they really got this right.

Miko

2008-03-07, 06:18

Once again Apple pulls away from the competition just as they think they have caught up "Touch screen oh we can do a touch screen big deal" I wonder what they are going to say in June.

chucker

2008-03-07, 06:20

Once again Apple pulls away from the competition just as they think they have caught up "Touch screen oh we can do a touch screen big deal" I wonder what they are going to say in June.

I didn't understand a word.

Miko

2008-03-07, 06:37

Seriously? what time is it where you are?

"Once again Apple pulls away from the competition just as they think they have caught up" (Meaning = Apple advances its lead as an industry leader when compared to all the other "smart phone" manufacturers).

"Touch screen oh we can do a touch screen no big deal" (Meaning = the other smart phone manufactures thoughts and reason why they have jumped on the iPhone's touch screen/Multi-Touch bandwagon, but who's products are crap).

"I wonder what they are are going to say in June" (Meaning = I wonder what the other smart phone manufactures -->insert name here<-- are going to say when the apps start to roll out in June).

Hope that clears my post up a bit, sorry for any confusion it may have caused.

chucker

2008-03-07, 07:09

Punctuation, man. Punctuation. :)

Wyatt

2008-03-07, 07:11

Punctuation, man. Punctuation. :)
:lol: Separating complete sentences FTW!

Seriously, I didn't understand it either. We're big fans of real grammar around here, so a lot of us are confused by anything else.

Miko

2008-03-07, 08:24

Ahh I see, I guess 15 minutes of AN detention will teach me. Just out of curiosity, what did you think I meant, or was it really that incomprehensible?

Wyatt

2008-03-07, 08:35

Ahh I see, I guess 15 minutes of AN detention will teach me. Just out of curiosity, what did you think I meant, or was it really that incomprehensible?
I really couldn't tell. When you don't separate sentences, it can be difficult for people reading your posts to separate one thought from another. Periods (and other punctuation) make it clear where one thought begins and another ends.

If you don't use punctuation, it's almost like each word stands alone. There's no way to separate your words into groups, so there's no way to identify what ideas you're trying to get across.

zippy

2008-03-07, 08:41

Ahh I see, I guess 15 minutes of AN detention will teach me. Just out of curiosity, what did you think I meant, or was it really that incomprehensible?

For the record. I understood you perfectly. I think that makes me a genius.:D

Woo-hoo, I'm smarter than Chucker and fcgriz!:eek:
:p :p

But I also condone proper punctuation.;)

artesc

2008-03-07, 13:50

yeah, they invented it for a reason, for people to coherently and cogently express their words as a written language. its almost as bad as doing this.

se e,Id on' tli k e t opu nct uatem yw or d s. d oyo u?

there is an organization to things for a reason. :)

pscates2.0

2008-03-07, 15:01

Ahh I see, I guess 15 minutes of AN detention will teach me. Just out of curiosity, what did you think I meant, or was it really that incomprehensible?

Since you asked...

It shouldn't have to be such a chore to read, that's all. Use a $#%@$^ period or comma every once in a while. They're free...AN doesn't charge extra for their use.

You wouldn't turn in a term paper or job application that way (jeez, I hope not), so why write that way here? Do we not deserve the same consideration or treatment? Why make us struggle for no good reason?

Honestly, when I see anything done that way - here or anywhere - I don't even attempt to read it beyond the first few words. And it might be the most brilliant, insightful thing ever written. But it's a shame I won't know because it was needlessly difficult to cut through and follow.

There are tons of posts here, daily...nobody has the time - or the desire - to sit and try to figure out "okay, I think this is where he meant to stop, and now it seems like he's starting another thought here...let's see...yep...okay, now reading on...". You'll eventually be ignored and pushed aside, in favor of easier-to-grasp, more coherent posts.

:\

And you don't want that, do you? Especially if you've got a point to make that you feel is important. Why go out your way to damage the chances of it being read and fully understood?

Don't act like you don't know all this. Use your head. Jeez-louise, I can't believe I just spent five minutes saying all this. What are we...nine years old?

:p

Nobody expects perfection (I probably have tons of grammatical and usage errors in this post, if someone wanted to get all nitpicky...but it's easily read and understandable, by anyone). Make an effort, as though you give half a damn. Be a rebel (or lazy writer), if you must, in your sig...where it doesn't matter as much, and where nobody cares. But not in the actual posts.

:D

This place would suck beyond words if everyone wrote in one long, unbroken stream of words (and no punctuation to help break it all up).

That's why.

Windswept

2008-03-07, 15:23

Ahh I see, I guess 15 minutes of AN detention will teach me. Just out of curiosity, what did you think I meant, or was it really that incomprehensible?
I understood what you meant; but then, I'm used to reading hieroglyphics. ;)

pscates2.0

2008-03-07, 15:31

You're an exception to the rule, C.

:p

Windswept

2008-03-07, 15:33

Very possibly, P. :p ;)

thegeriatric

2008-03-07, 15:58

Gheesh Coma you people are obsessed with punctuation Full stop :lol:

Kickaha

2008-03-07, 16:02

Comma, not coma, you pernicious cad.

Miko

2008-03-07, 16:32

For the record. I understood you perfectly. I think that makes me a genius.:D

Woo-hoo, I'm smarter than Chucker and fcgriz!:eek:
:p :p

But I also condone proper punctuation.;)

OK great, I'm glad someone could. I thought web forums are places online to share thoughts with others that have the same interest. Sometimes those thoughts can be pretty generic or literal, that's just the nature of the beast. Bottom line is that this is not a term paper or a job application, so shame on me if I fire something off without proofing it. it was a two line post, not a 800 word rant. :no:

OK I don't want to hijack the thread, so can we get back on the topic of the iPhone SDK please?

Kickaha

2008-03-07, 16:37

I wonder if it includes a Spelling and Grammar Checker API?

Miko

2008-03-07, 16:43

Well API stands for Application Programming Interface, so I doubt it. Download the SDK and let us know will ya'?

Kickaha

2008-03-07, 16:47

Considering that NSSpellChecker is in AppKit, which is a Cocoa API...

OTOH, AppKit is replaced by UIKit, so anyone wanna take a gander? My hunch is that yes indeedy it is included. I don't have an iPhone, but I could swear I saw the red squiggle of error on one when I tried it out in the store...

pscates2.0

2008-03-07, 17:00

I carn't not spelll no gud. I hope it duz.

calmman

2008-03-13, 15:11

don't think even Apple is dumb enough to completely disallow freeware.

chucker

2008-03-13, 15:12

don't think even Apple is dumb enough to completely disallow freeware.

Huh? Steve clearly said freeware is allowed.

kieran

2008-03-13, 15:19

don't think even Apple is dumb enough to completely disallow freeware.

The above quoted post is being brought to you by a spammer dumb enough to even format his own signature to show up in his profile. Also, dumb enough to not put enough words in his post for it to even show up.

Oh, and the letter K and the number 5.

Kickaha

2008-03-13, 15:22

Wow, that's speshul.

turtle

2008-03-13, 16:00

At least he capitalized "Apple". :)

GOLDFRAPP

2008-03-19, 01:00

not sure whether this deserves a dedicated thread

http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/19/adobe-says-flash-is-coming-to-the-iphone/
http://www.macrumors.com/2008/03/18/adobe-bringing-flash-to-the-iphone/
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120588767706747197.html?mod=rss_whats_news_techn ology

http://www.vulomedia.com/images/7098apple_flash.jpg

chucker

2008-03-19, 06:33

http://daringfireball.net/linked/2008/march#wed-19-adobe
Adobe Smoking Same Dope as Sun ★
Ben Charny (yes, that guy) in The Wall Street Journal:

On Tuesday, when asked about the issue during a conference call with investors, [Adobe CEO Shantanu] Narayen said the company had since obtained the software developer tools Apple released last month. The tools will let Adobe build a Flash player for the iPhone, then distribute it through Apple’s iTunes online store, he said.

And without approval from Apple (including APIs beyond those in the current third-party SDK), they can distribute it in the same alternate universe as Sun’s supposedly-in-the-works Java port.

(The full Journal story is, alas, behind their pay wall. (Rupert Murdoch, where are you?) Best way I know to get a free version is to follow a link to it from Google News.)

Nothing to add there. This isn't Adobe's call to make, and Apple's stance so far has been against Flash.