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tradman
2004-12-09, 09:17
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Hello All,
Just bought a new G4 powerbook and I am pretty with it so far. This is my first mac so it's all a learning curve. Does anybody know any forums that cater for newbie questions, so I wont have to annoy ye guys with simple questions.
My main area I would like some assistance on is, which software do I need to purchase, to copy DVD’s.
Any help would be gratefully accepted

Brad
2004-12-09, 09:55
MacUpdate (http://www.macupdate.com) is your friend. Try a simple search there, something along the lines of "rip dvd" or "copy dvd".

I won't say any more since copying commercial DVDs is illegal. :)

ast3r3x
2004-12-09, 10:00
Check your email.

MacUpdate (http://www.macupdate.com) is your friend. Try a simple search there, something along the lines of "rip dvd" or "copy dvd".

I won't say any more since copying commercial DVDs is illegal. :)
He didn't mean that he meant he wanted to 'back up' his dvd's and 'time shift' several that he has rented :D

thegelding
2004-12-09, 10:07
if you have the cash....popcorn by roxio looks good

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bassplayinMacFiend
2004-12-09, 14:49
if you have the cash....popcorn by roxio looks good

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Roxio specifically says that Popcorn will NOT copy encrypted DVDs.

DMBand0026
2004-12-09, 16:13
Roxio specifically says that Popcorn will NOT copy encrypted DVDs.

That's why you have to search MacTracker. :)

It is considered somewhat unethical for a big name company (ie, Roxio) to create software that allows the user to copy commercial DVDs.

Luca
2004-12-09, 17:23
Well, here's what you have to do...

1) Remove encryption
2) Compress to 4.4 GB
3) Burn

Step 1 is handled by MacTheRipper, Step 2 by DVD2oneX, and Step 3 is Toast Titanium. The problem is that DVD2oneX and Toast Titanium are both very expensive when you consider that DVD Shrink (unfortunately for Windows only) is an all-in-one app that does the same thing but for free. There might be some free tools to accomplish the same thing on the Mac, but I don't know about them. There are quite a few free DVD transcoding apps that turn a DVD into a movie file.

pscates2.0
2004-12-09, 18:12
Is, say, BUYING the fucking DVD, legit, an option at all, anywhere in all this? Anyone? [crickets chirping]

Just curious... :D

Thieving chuckleheaded bastards, raised on Napster and the like. :p

"You mean I gotta PAY for something? That's SO not cool!" :)

Luca
2004-12-09, 19:43
There is a legit use for the process I described - many people want to make backups of their DVDs this way. Maybe they want insurance against scratches or other damage, or maybe they want to protest against region codes and encryption. In one case, one of my DVDs got scratched and part of it became unwatchable, so I rented it from Netflix and made a copy. It was cheaper than buying a new one, especially since it was part of a large set. And I still have the original disc, so I did not profit from it at all. However, I admit that many people will use those tools to illegally copy DVDs, and I'm not sure what to do about it. I don't think we should take away the tools to do so... first of all, I don't think it would really work, as people would just create more tools. Secondly, I'm all for protecting your digital rights and making it illegal to remove encryption or region coding even if what you're doing logically falls under fair use is a very bad thing. It paves the way for complete control of what you buy, after the purchase. The highly anticipated Half-Life 2 game, for instance, requires you to authenticate through the Steam online service, and the license agreement states that you don't even own the game, you're only renting it! Because of that, you can't ever sell the game! This is the sort of thing I want to prevent.

pscates2.0
2004-12-09, 19:51
I know. I'm just being silly. I've got DVDs I'd like to back up or protect.

But there was a nugget of truth to it...I work with a guy who is 19, and honestly...the idea of paying for anything, in terms of music or movies, is just a totally alien concept to him!

:eek:

His entire teen life came of age during the whole Napster/peer-to-peer thing, so that's all he's ever really known. He can't even get his head around the iTMS thing, as slick, easy and affordable as it is.

"Naw, man...why?"

:D

SMACK! "Because, puddinghead...one day you wil...ah, hell, nevermind...this is 10 minutes of my life I'll never get back, talking to you about it. Go in peace...and bring me back a Dr. Pepper!".

:p

Brad
2004-12-09, 20:05
There is a legit use for the process I described
Except that the law does not allow for "fair use" backups of commercial, protected DVDs. So, "legit" isn't exactly the best word to use. :)

Morally, sure, I'd say you're in the right, but legally you'd have some problems.

Luca
2004-12-09, 22:17
Okay, I'm speaking from a logical, reasonable standpoint, not the xenophobic stance that the RIAA and MPAA choose to take. Seriously, it's like the fucking war in Israel. Both sides just keep pushing each back and forth. Piracy is a "major problem" so they crack down. Backlash causes piracy to increase and pirates become more persistant, so they crack down more. This climate has created people like pscates describes, who don't even understand the concept of paying for stuff, so if they were to loosen up their restrictions it wouldn't help them.

ast3r3x
2004-12-10, 05:43
Except that the law does not allow for "fair use" backups of commercial, protected DVDs. So, "legit" isn't exactly the best word to use. :)

Morally, sure, I'd say you're in the right, but legally you'd have some problems.

I thought the Digital Millennium Copyright Act or whatever says your allowed to back up your things with a single copy?

Brad
2004-12-10, 06:43
Nuh-uh. Quite the opposite. Remember, the DMCA's sole purpose is to restrict how you can use digital media.

Burning Backup DVDs Ruled Illegal (http://money.cnn.com/2004/02/24/commentary/ontechnology/dvd_burning/)

The courts have somewhat ambiguously upheld the right of consumers to copy audio CDs, LP records, and cassettes for their own use, von Lohmann said, "but when Congress enacted the DMCA, it created an entirely different set of rules for media with protected content. Congress has effectively slammed the door on copying next-generation technologies, like DVDs, SACD audio discs, and DVD-Audio."

Luca
2004-12-10, 12:43
Ah well. They won't enforce it on an individual basis. If you start selling them, they'll take notice.

pscates2.0
2004-12-10, 13:12
...which brings up on a semi-related note: a guy here in town was just busted about three weeks ago, for selling homemade CDs and DVDs on the street.

Grab your butt and brace for the following: he was a cop!

:D

Yeah, that didn't work out too good for him. Last I heard, he was suspended, "pending a full investigation".

It struck me as a little funny when I heard about it.

And even MORE recently (a week ago) was this numbnut:

http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_59395.asp

Luca
2004-12-10, 13:19
Hehe, now look at this:

http://xbox.ign.com/articles/571/571774p1.html

The Entertainment Software Association says the Pandora's Cube stores were selling modified "Super Xbox" consoles for $500. The systems had been rebuilt with larger hard drives, software to enable full games to be copied to the drives, some pre-loaded with up 15 or more games.
Seriously... what idiots! They might not have gotten busted so quickly had they not decided to load up so many pirated games. This was just asking for it.

pscates2.0
2004-12-10, 13:28
You know, crime might very well pay...if people weren't just so damn stupid about it. :)

People get lazy, stupid, arrogant or ballsy (or an unholy combination of all four), which usually leads to their downfall.

Barto
2004-12-10, 21:08
Hehe, now look at this:

http://xbox.ign.com/articles/571/571774p1.html


Seriously... what idiots! They might not have gotten busted so quickly had they not decided to load up so many pirated games. This was just asking for it.
A-hem. It's not clear from the reports if the included games were pirated, or if you got an original copy with your X-Box. For $500, you'd think it would be the originals.