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thegelding
2004-05-27, 22:18
ehh, not so surprising...
if .com clamps down too hard then people really will flee...
don't really need PM if you want to talk to any one member...many have their email address there in the profiles and such...or the .org people could just put a "hey we are here" message at sites that AI.com people go (thinksecret, macrumors, ATAT, etc)...
probably better to talk these things through...but perhaps kasper is more afraid of .org than he should be...i still like both sites and if he works to make .com a nice place then he should have no worries about defections
again i say ehhh
g
alcimedes
2004-05-27, 22:28
well, to me what's worse is that he's reading people's PM's.
not sure why but that kind of crosses a line. a private messaging system should be *private*. although i'm sure he's not advertising that either. the funny part is, the effort being put in to clamp down would be much more effective if it were put into improving the site.
Yah I am quite glad I am part of the reason .com killed off PMs... makes me feel accomplished.
Documenter
2004-05-28, 00:57
well, to me what's worse is that he's reading people's PM's.
not sure why but that kind of crosses a line. a private messaging system should be *private*. although i'm sure he's not advertising that either. the funny part is, the effort being put in to clamp down would be much more effective if it were put into improving the site.
You're assuming two things here:
1) That this Kasper fellow is reading people's PM's.
2) That stopping the continued (but ever slowing) exodus of .com members to .org isn't a worthwhile endeavor.
Maybe you're right on both. But it's not clear whether spamming .com for stragglers would be effective or not. I bet VVickes unwisely PM'ed several .com partisans who then reported his messages to administrators. We could be dealing with several moles here. Kasper could have swiftly shut down the PM system after learning of this maneuver-- without the need to snoop around people's private messages-- which is what some people imply here. I think the explanation just given is more plausible than others given so far-- which seem to impart an unreasonable amount of bad faith here, especially when not all the facts are known.
^ nicely put.
I'm always inclined to give folks the benefit of the doubt until I'm shown conclusive evidence to make me feel otherwise.
In a situation like this over the past few weeks (already?!!) I think it is always best to stand back and not get caught up in hot-headed retaliatory strikes. Wait - continue your daily routine and if it is anything of great significance it will be brought to your attention again once new "evidence" arises.
I certainly don't condone spamming AI.com and would encourage this membership not to do so. If what Documenter suggests is in fact what has happened - that Kasper shut down the PM service because of feedback received from a variety of sources, as opposed to snooping through member's PM messages - then his action is not totally unscrupulous. Until I hear otherwise, I'm content to live and let live.
Yah I am quite glad I am part of the reason .com killed off PMs... makes me feel accomplished.
what did you do? :rolleyes: PM me if you don't want to say it publicly... but do you really thing that whatever you did was necessary/worth it? :confused:
lets try to not make this harder then it needs to be...
If what Documenter suggests is in fact what has happened - that Kasper shut down the PM service because of feedback received from a variety of sources, as opposed to snooping through member's PM messages - then his action is not totally unscrupulous. Until I hear otherwise, I'm content to live and let live.Remember, this is Kasper we're talking about here. He's made it perfectly clear in the past that the community of the forums aren't that important to his plans for the site, that they draw a relatively insignificant amount of revenue for the site because they are mostly repeat views and no-hitters for the advertisements. Zealous overreating is very much his nature and I am not at all surprised that he closed the entire PM system and that he may be reading private messages.
I should note that to read private messages, you have to log in as the other user -- a crime that Kasper has accused me of and convinced and started a lot of nasty finger-wagging from the staff that he still has.
I should also note that Kasper is, not surprisingly, completely overreacting regarding the spamming issue. I'd dealt with spammers many times before at AI.com and I never once resorted to completely shutting off major features like this. For that matter, I remember letting a number of posts slide back when people still linked to OrangeInsider. Communication is critical in dealing with these kinds of matters, but Kasper prefers to hide behind the curtain and forcibly shut people up (and call cops and lawyers to try do the dirty work for him). For that matter, we never used to consider simply linking to other sites as spamming. Hell, if that's the case, there are hundreds of threads and member profiles that should be deleted for directing members off-site to SpyMac or Think-Secret or MacRumors. Just think of the huge chunk of that relatively insignificant revenue he must be losing!
:rolleyes:
InactionMan
2004-05-28, 06:58
The official word from Amorph:
We recently received a rash of complaints about spam via PMs, and so we've temporarily disabled the PM system until we can get this sorted out.
Sorry for the inconvenience while we deal with a few people with no respect for this community.
So it is a matter of people sending PMs about .org. Though if it's just a matter of Wickes and billybobsky PMing people, it is quite a drastic step. Why not just ban their IPs? And is it really spamming if you PM someone you want to come to .org? And why the hell do they care if people come here if, as Brad said, the member provides such a miniscule amount of revenue for Kasper?
netromac
2004-05-28, 07:01
Well said Brad!
And what about the messages that I have archived. Are they lost forever?
:mad: :rolleyes:
thegelding
2004-05-28, 07:47
i guess i would have to see what was said in the PMs...but, by nature, a personal message is never "spam"...comments, even suggestions, from one friend to another is just that, comments or suggestions...the friend can choice to ignore or listen, but calling that spam is insulting...
now this doesn't count if the PMs are just sent to everyone at .com, but i would assume that the PMs are going to people that the message sender has a "relationship" or friendship with (as far as internet message board friendships go)...
but i would have to see how and to who the PMs went
my one PM was rather simple...something along the lines of...
"hey ----, there is a new site you should check out if you get the chance...i have always really enjoyed reading your posts...bests, g"
or something along those lines
again i say ehhh.... .com has every right to run their boards the way they want, but in the long run they might be best advised to working on the site and making it a place that people want to go to instead of trying to "lock it down"...i might add that they have every right to run their boards the way they want with the exception of reading PMs...if they want to read them then change the name to "kinda PMs" or "not really PMs" or "use at your own risk because you never know who's watching PMs"...
and though i don't really trust kasper, i will give james (amorph) the benefit of the doubt and will believe that it was complaints from users and not fear from kasper that caused the shut down of PMs...amorph is a good person caught in a tough spot, i wish him well
g
billybobsky
2004-05-28, 08:10
I only PM'ed carol; she didn't report it to the higher-ups. I was also informed that they read through/searched the PMs by one of the moderators over there. So yes, they seem to have hacked the system.
A single PM does not constitute spamming in any sense of the word...
...[snip]... Communication is critical in dealing with these kinds of matters, but Kasper prefers to hide behind the curtain and forcibly shut people up (and call cops and lawyers to try do the dirty work for him). ...[snip]...
Yes, that was very poor form on his part - not well handled at all.
However, I'm more concerned by this:
...[snip]... Zealous overreating is very much his nature ...[snip]...
"This PM spamming is getting out of hand - I'm off to McDonald's ... SUPERSIZE ME! STAT!!!" :D
pscates2.0
2004-05-28, 08:36
Let me say, while zipping up my asbestos pajamas, who gives a rat's ass?
This kinda goes to what I was talking about the other day, in that are we going to spend the next two years discussing what .com is doing, isn't doing, etc.?
:confused:
It's well-established that the forums there aren't anyone's major priority to begin with. Those that stay are totally cool, and plenty people "float" between the two. And that's great too.
At some point, I'd love to see a clean, crisp break where a) no one gave a royal damn about what "they're" doing and feels the need to bring it up in a damn new thread and b) focus 100% on THIS place, since it has a nicer look, more responsive, "into it" higher-ups, ad-free, has some great potential, etc.
And no, this has nothing to do with "well, don't read these threads, pscates". Really? No shit. That's not the point, goober...
:rolleyes:
All I'm saying is if some of you broke up with girlfriends the way you're handling any "migration" from .com, well...
;)
"Yeah, well then the bitch said I was a loser, and then she gave my boss a handjob and made me watch. And then I caught her stealing money from my brother. She's a BITCH...waaaaaaaaa! But I love her, man...I can't let her go...
:D
Fast forward to a March, 2005 thread here at .org:
AI.com changes font and background color!
They SUCK!
Kasper is teh loser.
I still can't PM there.
They BANNED me!
They banned my cat!
The site is ugly.
Tina is back, with friends!
Meanwhile...
Let it go, guys.
:)
The official word from Amorph:
Quote:
We recently received a rash of complaints about spam via PMs, and so we've temporarily disabled the PM system until we can get this sorted out.
Sorry for the inconvenience while we deal with a few people with no respect for this community.
Well, if what Amorph said is correct and they were getting complaints about spamming AND they did not read other member's PMs then I guess it is their perogative. However, it does not seem that simple to me. I'm sure that there is more to this issue than either side is totally letting on. But, hey, bottom line is - having the PM feature shut down at AI.com is not going to affect the way I browse or post at either message board really. I can live and let live. :)
And why the hell do they care if people come here if, as Brad said, the member provides such a miniscule amount of revenue for Kasper?
This has me stumped - I'm at a loss as to their concern over members checking out this site, especially since we were not contributing to revenue in any major way over at AI.com and I'm pretty positive that we're not bringing any moolah to the fine folks that run these boards either ... so, what's the deal for Kasper with regard to this issue? :confused:
Well put, pscates. Time to move on.
Right after this post.
Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.
- Alexis de Tocqueville
Barto
billybobsky
2004-05-28, 09:02
i am pissed that they effectively banned me for a single pm, that they only got access to by reading my pm's. Think about it -- if they know that I pm'd carol, they had to have read my private messages because no-one in this communication reported that the other had sent a pm. It is that simple. In my book they invaded my privacy illegally and banned me based on a single innocuous pm, that was simply informative and in all honesty took a neutral stance in this schism...
They hacked into my pm's, and that pisses me off to no end...
This has me stumped - I'm at a loss as to their concern over members checking out this site, especially since we were not contributing to revenue in any major way over at AI.com and I'm pretty positive that we're not bringing any moolah to the fine folks that run these boards either ... so, what's the deal for Kasper with regard to this issue? If anyone could properly answer this question, it would make myself and LoCash immensely happy. :)
Regardless, we're here now. If you want to get in touch with specific people over at the dotcom, my only advice would be to use the e-mail link or start new threads somewhere asking said people for their contact information since the PM system is down.
Just please be mature and civil about it... and try to make it look as much not like spam for this site as possible. That'd just irritate Kasper, et al. more and make it more difficult to contact them.
billybobsky
2004-05-28, 09:16
If anyone could properly answer this question, it would make myself and LoCash immensely happy. :)
Regardless, we're here now. If you want to get in touch with specific people over at the dotcom, my only advice would be to use the e-mail link or start new threads somewhere asking said people for their contact information since the PM system is down.
Just please be mature and civil about it... and try to make it look as much not like spam for this site as possible. That'd just irritate Kasper, et al. more and make it more difficult to contact them.
Brad, I am pretty sure you would want to change this post... since it is inciting activity that may be illegal... feel free to edit/delete it here as well...
Brad, I am pretty sure you would want to change this post... since it is inciting activity that may be illegal... feel free to edit/delete it here as well...
What's illegal about asking, "Hey Jim, since the PM system is down, could you please post your e-mail address or IM name so we can talk privately?" :confused:
Absolutely nothing. Kasper may not like it; he may very well choose to ban people for doing it (which would, again, be a change of policy from the leniency that we had shown in the past). That doesn't change the fact that there's nothing at all inherently wrong with it.
Let me say, while zipping up my asbestos pajamas, who gives a rat's ass?
because we CANNOT talk about it THERE...
when that changes I'm fairly sure you will never see another ".com" thread here again....
well at least with the same frequency you would see a spymac or macnn thread here....
Yah I am quite glad I am part of the reason .com killed off PMs... makes me feel accomplished.
You are really, really, really dumb for doing what you are doing...
Why are you so anti-.com, anyway?
No PMs were read... Several members specifically mentioned to us that you were being obnoxious.
You're not helping brad and jack, or anyone. Everyone at AI knows about .org. It's not like it wasn't very obvious where you went.
Please don't make the situation worse. Your actions are being considered as directly motivated by Brad and Jack -- which they are not, you're just doing this.
Please, Wickes, tell me what your huge vendetta against .com is?
You weren't forced to leave, you chose. Nobody did anything to you. Why do you choose to be such a 'crusader' for this site?
People will choose where they want to be on their own. Your actions only hurt the image of .org -- If people consider you to be an idiot, and you're acting like the #1 advocate of a site.. it's not very good for the site's image, is it?
I'm tired of this being such an issue. Paul is right-- let it go. You've started a new community -- great. Be happy with it. Don't exist solely to criticize and try to snipe at the old community -- the whole point of this fracture was to foster a better community here than existed over there -- and yet all you seem to want to be doing, Wickes, is make this community centered around bringing .com down?
You're an idiot.
Billybob -- I will look into getting your access to .com turned back on.
I don't want .com to be the 'evil' site or anything. I'm still in charge over there... somewhat... and i'm a friend to this site as well...
Jonathan
I'm sorry Wickes, Jonathan is right. I think it's about time to forget about slinging shit around and just stay here, if you want to. This isn't helping anyone.
Finally ... some light is shed on the situation. Thanks for dropping by jrw and clarifying the issue.
Surely (as others have advocated) we can all move on and put this to bed now? :)
thegelding
2004-05-28, 15:05
thanks jonathan...
see, it's the people, and the mature people, that will keep me going to .com and to .org
nice post...i will stroke your reputation accordingly
g
...i will stroke your reputation accordingly
http://www.kser.org/shows/exposure/Billy%20Squire%2011-20-81.jpg
http://www.kser.org/shows/exposure/Billy%20Squire%2011-20-81.jpg :D :lol: CLASSIC!
"Now everybody, have you heard? If you're in the game, well then the stroke's the word" ;)
billybobsky
2004-05-28, 15:25
Billybob -- I will look into getting your access to .com turned back on.
Jonathan
Thanks....
billybobsky
thegelding
2004-05-28, 15:32
8.75 to see billy squire...dude, you was robbed
g
I agree with a lot of what Jonathan said, but I think that he - and some others who are commenting on all of this - sidestep some of what has happened, and is continuing to happen. If this is really were all there were to it - if it were just "this is one site - that is another site - good luck to each site - let's be friends" there would not be a policy on one of the sites that you can't even mention the other site. On the other hand, the other site would not have the same name - and a similar look - to the first. Further, there would not be threats of police action and lawsuits.
I think that there are many of us who were happier when there was just one AppleInsider community and not-so-secretly wish that there will be one again. However, for the moment there is not just one community. And, as between the two sites, my sympathies are with a non-commercial venture which is led by those who volunteer their time to it, and without there being a single, controlling, owner who is not engaged with the forums. If there were to be a reunion of the two sites, I think that it should be as a site set up along the principles of AI.org, as I have described them above – although I personally think that there perhaps could be a bit of compromise on the commercials, if necessary, and a good deal of compromise on who, among the volunteers, would be in charge of what.
However, my preferred solution of a reunion along these lines seems increasingly unlikely to happen. And if there will continue to be two sites, I don’t think that all of this can be put behind us until AI.com takes a different attitude to even allowing discussion of what happened and the existence of the other site and until AI.org changes its name and further changes its look. I do think that further steps along the last line have been taken just today by the change in the forum structure here on .org, with more changes to come I’m sure.
That being said, I do think that there will continue to be a lot of cross-over members - which is good. I won’t likely be one of them because I don’t have the time to monitor two sites. Heck, I really don’t have the time to participate in even this one (and I am way over my 1.87 posts-per-day limit over the last little while). But I like AI, and will continue to hang around.
Finally, I really, really don’t think that it is permissible to harass or spam members at AI.com. These are the people who just two weeks ago were our ‘community’. My view, however, is that simply mentioning AI.org absolutely does not constitute harassment or spamming. Nevertheless, since those currently in charge at AI.com do think that constitutes this behaviour, I have respected their views and I have not engaged in it.
Well, I'm just going to add that I sent exactly one PM to a member about .org on the day of La Revolucion. I did change my sig at .com temporarily, but quickly changed it back when I realized that it was inappropriate. For those horrible crimes against humanity I've had all of my privileges, except viewing the threads, revoked. That doesn't concern me as I have chosen not to post there any more. What does concern me is that someone had to go through my PM's to determine what I've sent. That in my book is an inexcusable abuse of power and those that have perpetrated it should be ashamed. If no PM's were read, as Jonathan has said, how come my privileges were revoked?
:(
Well first off,
My actions are my own and not a reflection of Brad or LoCash's wishes. (or anyone else based on this site for that matter.)
Moving on,
I did PM some people about .org.
But let me make myself clear. . .
I do not have a vendetta against .com. Nor do I wish to see .com go down in flames. This is not what I was trying to accomplish and I feel insulted that my actions were taken that way. The PMs that I sent were only trying to inform members about .org, and yes this can be taken as spamming but I consider it to be on a very light scale compared to what could have been done.
People at .com have a right to know what happened, I would not be surprised if members of .com are wondering if Brad died during his operation. The fact is, not a single post or sig that points out appleinsider.org has been left untouched at .com.
I don't wish anything bad to happen to .com. It was my first Internet community and destroying it would be the last thing on my mind.
My comment about feeling accomplished over causing .com to shutdown it's PM system was a joke. I don't feel accomplished, but I do find the action very comical, which is why I made the comment in the first place.
Killing off all PMs at .com was a very drastic measure... probably done with little forethought. I mean, why not just ban me from the site? Oh wait, maybe because I was not the only one...
If I wanted to cause .com any harm, I would have done things a little differently. Like not use my old account for example, and mass spamming the boards with .org links... but I did not do this. Nor will I ever. I sent out a small amount of PMs to people that I thought would like to know what's going on. Who might not know because of the actions taken at .com to cover this whole thing up. Some people were ruffled about the subject and expressed their opinions, which is fine with me, but the point remains that I only provided the information (by informing them about the site) to members I thought might not know in the first place. I did not tell them to switch, nor did I tell them that .com is going to burn.... I only pointed out the site (which has all the information needed) and told them to check it out.
You are really, really, really dumb for doing what you are doing...
You know I have always had a level of respect for you, but I am puzzled as to why you would make such rash comments. You do not know my opinion of the matter and worse yet you are enforcing that I want to see .com burn. Yes, I did send out a few PMs... not many at all. And yes, some members found them to be a little spamish. But in the end I had a quite a few members thank me for informing them on what is going on.
The actions I took would not have been necessary if .com was open about the subject!!!
To that end I admit that some of my actions were not the most well thought out. However, I am pleased that many of the people that I PMed were pleased with the news and thankful. Once again, if .com was more open to the subject, maybe some post problems would not have come up.
...and yet all you seem to want to be doing, Wickes, is make this community centered around bringing .com down?
Once again, I have no reason for wanting .com to go down, and I don't want to center this community around taking it down either.
----
To be honest, I find the way you jump to conclusions a little childish. Without opening communications with me directly to address the problem you simply cut off the WHOLE .com community. Then you go and openly bash my name on our fresh online community using your position of influence. All it would have taken was a simple personal message asking me to explain myself and stop, then I would have respected your wishes. These actions are very extreme and out of hand for what could have been solved with open communication. It seems that all .com does is close these communication doors whenever .org is noted, and that has caused you much more problems then you would have hoped for.
Lastly, to anyone on this forum that may feel raw about the subject at hand:
I am sorry for trying to open the lines of communication with .com. And I am sorry that the higher powers at .com are acting the way they are. I am sorry you have to put up with necessary childish insults on our forums. And I am sorry that the actions of some .com admins/mods are effecting the whole .com community when a much less disturbing action could have been taken.
EDIT:
Oh and just so everyone knows, after posting this I went over to .com to see if anyone was pissed off with the new change in PM status.... only to find out that I have been deleted. No loss for me.
You're not helping brad and jack, or anyone. Everyone at AI knows about .org. It's not like it wasn't very obvious where you went.
I didn't know about .org before his PM, and I'm thankful.
I believe he has every right to let people know about other communities, doesn't he?
NosferaDrew
2004-05-30, 02:56
What are we talkin'?
3 PM's, 10? 30?
30 would be excessive IMO, but I'm sure it wasn't that many.
Basically it's just another example of the censorship going on over at .com.
It's too bad, but we shouldn't worry about it. In the long run everyone will find their home.
Either here or there or somewhere in between.
Life's too short. Dig both places for what they offer. :)
billybobsky
2004-05-30, 20:20
Personally it was one PM... and it seems that Jonathan was unable to get my privaledges returned...
It's getting to be a pain in the arse to keep checking...
They should either ban me or let me in... this pergatory they have me in is just pissing me off more than either of those two states would do... pissing me off in the direction of .org that is...
I really didn't care either way before this incident, but it seems mr. jade has a stick up his rear...
Personally it was one PM... and it seems that Jonathan was unable to get my privaledges returned...
It's getting to be a pain in the arse to keep checking...
They should either ban me or let me in... this pergatory they have me in is just pissing me off more than either of those two states would do... pissing me off in the direction of .org that is...
I really didn't care either way before this incident, but it seems mr. jade has a stick up his rear...
i've been out of town all weekend. i'll work on it tomorrow.
billybobsky
2004-06-01, 10:17
thanks, jonathan...
Windswept
2004-06-03, 04:25
My ability to PM at .com has been enabled again.
All my PM's seem to be there, except for two. The message framework is there, but the message space is blank.
One was billybobsky's to me; and then my reply to him - both blank.
Naturally, I can't really remember what they said. So very strange to have deleted those two.
The one where he told me that 'something' was happening is still there.
So, what did they delete???? Weird.
Anybody else find that messages had been deleted from their PM list?
alcimedes
2004-06-03, 08:06
actually, after finding out they were being combed through, i deleted all of mine myself.
they're enabled again, but i'd take the "private" aspect of it with a grain of salt.
thegelding
2004-06-03, 08:56
well at least i can see exactly what i said in my one PM about .org...
__________________________________________________ ________
thegelding wrote on 05-16-2004 02:28 AM:
probably moving over to appleinsider.org
haven't decided completely yet
thought you would make a great addition over there, even if you stay here also...always like your posts
g
__________________________________________________ ________
is that spam?? i guess it depends on the person reading it...i don't think it is, but i guess the mods at .com might think it is
g
ps...the person (like myself) posts to both sites
Um. This is *not* funny.
The PM \/\/ickes had sent me has been modified to be from "Deleted Member", and now, instead of a link to here, bears one to a porn site.
I am not kidding. :no: Whoever did this had very poor taste and a lack of understanding for respecting others' privacy.
alcimedes
2004-06-03, 10:11
yeah, let's just say that people reading other's PM's was not a paranoid thought on my part, but a reality.
Um. This is *not* funny.
The PM \/\/ickes had sent me has been modified to be from "Deleted Member", and now, instead of a link to here, bears one to a porn site.
That's just in bad taste. At least when it was changed publicly it went to Apple or some other 'in context' site. Figures, coming from a 'Management' who leaves notes like 'GO FUCK YOURSELF' in the forum's source code. :no:
DMBand0026
2004-06-03, 10:35
The PMs Wickes sent me have not been edited, but sure enough, Wickes is gone from .com.
Windswept
2004-06-03, 10:49
I posted this note about "PM's at .com" in another thread, but thought I'd say it again here because it applies, imo:
It seems to me that if a service is offered on a public medium, even if there is no charge, and if the service is identified (and even named) as being "private", then violating that privacy should be quite an offense. FCC regulations?
The service is offered as 'private', and it is accepted and used with that understanding. To then violate that privacy is wrong, and maybe even illegal, unless in a previously agreed-to statement it was made clear to the person registering that the private message system could be invaded for 'cause'.
For them not only to read PM's, but to insert porn links....Wow. Unbelievable! Real class. :no:
AppleInsider.com Posting Guidelines:
5. Sexually graphic or otherwise offensive material is strictly forbidden. AppleInsider will strive to maintain a work-friendly and family-friendly environment in regards to pornography and hate-speech.....It is expected that the membership can conduct themselves with enough maturity to avoid such idiocy.
6. Respect the privacy of fellow forum members. Hopefully this will not be an issue...
Apparently, certain upper 'members' of .com do not consider themselves a part of the 'membership'.
Again, :no: .
The PMs Wickes sent me have not been edited, but sure enough, Wickes is gone from .com.
Hehe, like I said.. I was deleted. And like I also said... No loss for me.
That's just in bad taste.
My thoughts exactly. Very bad taste.
I am not impressed :no:
Well I hope it was a good porn site. :lol:
billybobsky
2004-06-03, 16:59
bah....
i haven't been deleted... i can see the emails i sent carol, and yet remain in the interspace...
Well I hope it was a good porn site. :lol:
Well I would have looked (no, I'm not underage, and yes, I have a girlfriend :P ), but it included the term "gay" in the URL, so I figured I might not want to. To each his own, eh?
I made a couple of proof screenshots just in case; maybe I'll post them later.
it included the term "gay" in the URL,
don't tell jon... he gets offended easily :devil:
I kiid, I kiid! ;)
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