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thegelding
2004-05-28, 10:19
finally new PM "confirmed"
clearing out the 1.6 model (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/05/20040528084701.shtml)
'bout time too
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DMBand0026
2004-05-28, 15:19
Took them long enough, haha.
After a year of the same machines with no updates (the dual 1.8 doesn't count)
Finally!!!!
We are a go for 3 GHz 975-based G5s. Prep the credit cards, men - we're going in.
bborofka
2004-05-28, 22:37
It's interesting (but disappointing) how they're letting the G5's go the way of the G4 iMac. Remember how it went it's first 13 months without any update at all? It didn't even have any price drops either.
Is this Apple's new Desktop strategy? :rolleyes:
Quagmire
2004-05-28, 22:45
I really do doubt that it is apples new strategy for desktops. The 970fx update was scracted back in november do to problems( maybe explains the reason for the 1.8 Ghz going dual). So you can't blame apple for that. Neither can you blame it on IBM. At least apple is trying to say I am sorry for the long period between updates with the possiblity of 3.0 Ghz G5's.
DMBand0026
2004-05-30, 00:40
I think it's generally understood that if Apple could have updated the G5s by now, they would have. But the 970 won't clock much higher as it's a 130nm chip and already having heat problems @ 2.0ghz. They needed to go to the 90nm design and had problems with clock speed, heat, ect...
They'll have updates ASAP. It's similar to what happened to the iMac G4 in its 13 month stagnant period, except that was due to Moto's inability to produce a quality chip that was faster than 500mhz ;)
However, those problems seem to be in the past.
<hugs 1.33ghz G4 PB>
thegelding
2004-06-01, 10:13
more info?? (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73831)
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more info?? (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73831)
Let's see. There's apparently never been a "PowerMac7,1"; it isn't documented in /System/Library/Extensions/, anyhow. What gives?
The current G5 lineup (single 1.6 GHz, single / dual 1.8 GHz, dual 2.0 GHz) seems to be PowerMac7,2:
$ (cd /System/Library/Extensions/; grep -r PowerMac7,2 ./) | head -1
./AppleMacRISC4PE.kext/Contents/Info.plist: <key>PowerMac7,2</key>
There is, however, also a PowerMac7,3:
$ (cd /System/Library/Extensions/; grep -r PowerMac7,3 ./) | head -1
./AppleMacRISC4PE.kext/Contents/Info.plist: <key>PowerMac7,3</key>
And as far as I know, the dual 1.8 GHz did *not* get this separate revision number. Speculation: this was a planned, but then scrapped 970FX-based model.
$ (cd /System/Library/Extensions/; grep -r PowerMac8,1 ./) | head -1
./AppleMacRISC4PE.kext/Contents/Info.plist: <key>PowerMac8,1</key>
This one has a major version bump, so one would assume this is in fact not a 970-anything-based model, but instead a newer CPU, such as a 975.
You may now return to your typical random guessing :P
a nice little thin client....
We need one of those nice long multi-paragraph AI posts about exactly what is happening down in the "shop" with the 90nm design, full of tech lingo and "Moto" this, "IBM" that, and "Intel" whatever. I don't understand most of what is written in those posts, but I get off on them, as they make it sound like something is happening. I need another one soon.
thegelding
2004-06-03, 14:58
our "kissing cousin" has some photos of the internals of the new PM
info here (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/06/20040603143651.shtml)
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SilentEchoes
2004-06-03, 16:11
Well from the looks of things 3 or 4 more revisions and the entire computer is going to be one giant heatsink.
I wonder whats under that thing anyways There is no way thats all just solid metal. Fans maybe? More processors? - ha yeah right.
The smaller motherboard is an interesting note. Thats a pretty significant shrink. Does anyone have a link to any good documentation to IBMs elastic bus, I wanted to do some reading on it.
SonOfSylvanus
2004-06-03, 16:13
We need one of those nice long multi-paragraph AI posts about exactly what is happening down in the "shop" with the 90nm design, full of tech lingo and "Moto" this, "IBM" that, and "Intel" whatever. I don't understand most of what is written in those posts, but I get off on them, as they make it sound like something is happening. I need another one soon.
Damn, I'm with you on that.
thegelding
2004-06-03, 17:04
paging programmer.....
yeah, i loved programmer's post...didn't understand half of what was in them, but i felt smarter having read them
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.com has a story up about the new PMs.
I've edited out the .com water mark and copied the text here:
New service and repair documents for Apple's Power Mac G5 computers appear to show images of an unreleased revision to the product line, according to photos and documentation recently obtained by AppleInsider
In May, Apple distributed at least two revisions of the Power Mac service manuals. The first revision appeared on May 12 and featured only minor alterations, but a successive revision published on the 28th of the month reveals some interesting and previously unseen photos (below) of a dual Power Mac G5.
Larger heatsink cover
Over the last 6 months, AppleInsider has consistently published reports of an all dual processor lineup planned for the next Power Mac G5 revision. In line with these reports, the service manual shows a large and unified heat sink cover. The current models, which can have one or two processors, have one heat sink per CPU.
Sources also speculate that a revised cooling system could be nestled behind the larger plate cover.
Smaller motherboard
Also apparent from the photos is the existence of a much smaller motherboard in the unreleased Power Mac photos; about one third smaller than the board featured in the current Power Macs. A noticeably longer cable is used to connect the board to ports on the face of the unit.
The larger vacant space in the front of the unit could potentially allow for a terabyte of storage, which was rumored as a possible feature of the new Power Macs, via four 250GB hard drives.
Lack of front inlet fans
Sources also note the apparent disappearance of the front inlet fans cooling the CPUs. While the base of the chassis in the new service manual retains a notch for these fans, the upper ceiling of the area has been replaced with a flush metal plate that no longer supports an upper connection notch.
Click on image to enlarge.
Vertical RAM slots
Currently shipping Power Mac models sport 4 or 8 RAM slots, placed horizontally on the motherboard, while photos of the unreleased Power Mac show 4 visible RAM slots positioned vertically. According to sources, this change in orientation may be due to the absence of the inlet fans. Since air no longer needs to flow through the RAM modules, they can be positioned vertically, freeing up additional space in the chassis.
Summary
It's unclear why these photos have suddenly appeared in Apple service documentation prior to the announcement of Power Mac G5s configured in such a fashion.
Apple sometimes prepares stock photography of products prior to their release. With revisions of the Power Mac G5 previously scheduled to arrive months ago, source said it is likely that these photos could represent an overview of the new 90-nanometer Power Mac G5, now destined for a late June introduction.
Here's the photo: I would prefer not to host this on my dot mac account incase Apple Legal gets uppity. If someone wants to host it that would be great.
http://www.alcimedes.com/newg5.jpg
pscates2.0
2004-06-03, 19:26
Wow. Toshiba spouting off about their 60GB hard drives yesterday, and now this today.
Steve is gonna shit.
That poor guy can't keep ANYTHING under wraps, can he? G4 Cube, 17" CRT Studio Display, G4 iMac, the G5 "premature specification" last year...now these two recent things.
Imagine the hissyfit he's throwing this evening. Cupertino is probably a dangerous place to be tonight.
:D
Christ, that heat sink is huge
And still only 2 drive bays...
Trumpetman
2004-06-03, 22:23
Christ, that heat sink is huge
And still only 2 drive bays...
I don't think that is a heat sink. It looks more like a cover as well. I think it is a means of covering the heat sink, but also a new cover/removable bracket that holds the fans that use to be in front of the heat sink. It looks like it could pull out.
Nick
I don't think that is a heat sink. It looks more like a cover as well. I think it is a means of covering the heat sink, but also a new cover/removable bracket that holds the fans that use to be in front of the heat sink. It looks like it could pull out.
Nick
You're probably right. One of the really noticeable things about it is its depth... which really does make you wonder (and speculate rabidly on) what's underneath. ;)
Quad processors! Yeehaw! (or something like that)
Or a super-dooper water cooling system?
I'm feeling optimistic this afternoon.
It was pointed out over at MacRumors that the new G5 image is completely in gray scale, excepting the mobo, whereas the current G5 has color. Could be a fake, could be a rendering, could be the real deal.
I'll be honest, if .com's report on Tiger is true, no matter how fast the new G5's are, WWDC is going to be a disaster.
The cover may not be *the* heatsink, but it will certainly be *a* heatsink. Since the cover is part of the shelf/separator, it amounts to a very large metal surface that will dissipate the heat better than the previous design.
MacRumors is reporting that the new PowerMacs are going to be introduced tomorrow. No mention of specs or prices, but they seem pretty sure that tomorrow we shall be PowerMacafied.
One random thought:
So we've gotten AirPort Express, iTMS in Europe, and PowerMacs. Seems like Apple is really clearing the docket for for WWDC. Unless the iMac upgrade is a complete redesign, which I'm not sure is coming, Tiger better be one giant fucking upgrade.
Well it is a tiger. At the Apple Store, an unmodified Power Mac has a ship date of 7-10 days. Modifying it changes the ship date to 4 to 6 weeks.
:D
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thegelding
2004-06-07, 16:40
and now thinksecret (http://www.thinksecret.com/news/g5refresh.html)
sez tomorrow for the PMs
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pscates2.0
2004-06-07, 16:51
Ha...and topping out at "only" 2.6. Some of you people are going to have a cow. Moo!
I said the other day I think this will be the case, because, let's face it: speed-bumped G5s are hardly an exciting, scene-stealing thing to waste a WWDC keynote on. They could update them ANY time, you know? It's not a new product, worthy of a trade show or "special event" unveiling, so tomorrow, next week, last month, etc. all would work for a G5 update.
I never saw the need to save it for WWDC.
:rolleyes:
I think WWDC will be Tiger and a new, redesigned G5 iMac.
No mention of new displays in the ThinkSecret story. Sigh...
On a related sidenote, do you all get as torqued up and perky during moments like this as I do? When there's a flurry of activity and all the rumor sites (the credible ones, anyway) are all "greenlight for go" and the community is buzzing and the front page at apple.com is changing and the stock is up and Steve is rolling cool shit out...dang, I just LOVE days like this.
:)
I really, really do.
iChat, checking out the rumor sites, getting up to pee at 3am and checking rumor sites again, posting here, reading new info/specs for new gadgets (AirPort Express), etc.
:D
I love it when Apple springs into action and lays a bunch of stuff on us!
thegelding
2004-06-07, 17:03
yah, i'm stevie's whore...already ordered the new airport express
add it to my list of toys about the house
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pscates2.0
2004-06-07, 17:05
yah, i'm stevie's whore...
Does his wife (http://forums.appleinsider.org/member.php?u=145) know about this? :lol: :p
Ha...and topping out at "only" 2.6. Some of you people are going to have a cow. Moo!
I said the other day I think this will be the case, because, let's face it: speed-bumped G5s are hardly an exciting, scene-stealing thing to waste a WWDC keynote on. They could update them ANY time, you know? It's not a new product, worthy of a trade show or "special event" unveiling, so tomorrow, next week, last month, etc. all would work for a G5 update.
Except, of course, this makes them Rev. B and that's always a good thing.
I never saw the need to save it for WWDC.
:rolleyes:
I think WWDC will be Tiger and a new, redesigned G5 iMac.
No mention of new displays in the ThinkSecret story. Sigh...
AI.com hinteth at OLED. Strewth!!!!
On a related sidenote, do you all get as torqued up and perky during moments like this as I do? When there's a flurry of activity and all the rumor sites (the credible ones, anyway) are all "greenlight for go" and the community is buzzing and the front page at apple.com is changing and the stock is up and Steve is rolling cool shit out...dang, I just LOVE days like this.
Yes, but like every other addiction, the lows seem to be getting lower. "Apple's never to going update ever, ever EVAR again." And then they do.
iChat, checking out the rumor sites, getting up to pee at 3am and checking rumor sites again, posting here, reading new info/specs for new gadgets (AirPort Express), etc.
:err: Um, nnnooo, no, can't say I do that.
(Hm, can't seem to insert line spacing in between quote tags.)
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pscates2.0
2004-06-07, 18:38
Lying bullshit. You do too. :lol:
pscates, I think I have said this before, but you seem to be a bit militant in the anti-spec whore (or spec-monger depending on how you look at it) area.
You say that it would be silly to complain about topping out at 2.6 GHz in the next update. Why? I think it would actually be justified. Not because it's a pro machine that needs to really pull out all the stops. Here's why it would be bad:
1) Steve Jobs promised 3 GHz within a year. If he doesn't meet that promise, he'll lose a lot of credibility and Apple will lose a lot of respect.
2) 2.0 to 2.6 isn't nearly as big a jump as it seems at first. We're so used to having Macs stuck between 700 MHz and 1.25 GHz that we don't realize that 600 MHz is only 30% of the current 2 GHz high end. Look at it this way - the 1 GHz PowerMac G4, from January of 2002, was replaced with the 1.25 GHz in August of that year. Seven months, 25% increase. Twelve months, 30% increase is worse than that, huh? 2.6 GHz would have been fine a few months ago, maybe February or March, but waiting a full year for a 30% increase in clock speed seems... not so good.
But I know you always fill your posts full of various smilies after every paragraph so as to make sure everyone knows you never take anything too seriously, so here goes:
;) :D :lol: :p :smokey: :wow:
:confused:
;)
EDIT: Oh yeah, you're probably heard this before too, but I really do wonder why there would be an iMac update at WWDC... I mean, it's Worldwide Developers' Conference, not Worldwide Consumers' Conference. But only time will tell.
pscates2.0
2004-06-07, 19:23
Bug off.
:p (how's that?)
1. People promise lots of things. Things happen. It's called "life". I'm sure no malice or misdirection was intended on Steve's part. I'm quite certain he'd love to offer everyone a 3.0GHz G5.
2. Actually, we've spent years treated to 100MHz-a-pop upgrades, so forgive me if I tend to consider 600MHz - in one fell swoop - pretty neat and, as far as I know, unheard of.
Am I bothered that - after all the Motorola bashing the past few years - that it took ONE YEAR to update the G5s? Yes, of course. We all were/are.
Am I devastated that the presumed new low-end G5 is going to trounce today's high end? No, not at all.
I'm not "militant" about anything, Luca. I just think a) a lot of people have hinged their entire fucking lives on a statement made during a keynote (where it might be considered standard practice to grandstand and "talk big" for the benefit of the audience, press, partners, other companies, etc.) a year ago (and seem oddly unwilling or unable to account for technical/engineering/supply snafus) and b) all perspective is lost by many.
If you don't think going from 1.6GHz to 2.2 (and 2.0 to 2.6) overnight is pretty damn nice, then I can't help you. This magical, mythical 3GHz might not be hit (not yet, anyway), but damn...
:confused:
Are we going to get our collective panties into such a wad over 400MHz? Honestly?
If there's anyone being "militant" about anything, it's all the people who take something said in a keynote, blow it up, etch it in stone, mark it on the calendar, plan their budget and lives around it and then have a slight cow when - for reasons I'm sure are out of Steve's and Apple's control - they come up a tad short. "Militant" is waiting 6-12 months for "what's around the corner" and being perpetually pissed that it's never quite what you dreamed or imagined...and waiting ANOTHER 6-12 months to "make sure".
As I said at .com, I never thought I'd see everyone squawking over dual 2.2, 2.4 and 2.6GHz Macs!
:eek:
THAT makes ME "militant" and the oddball? Hmm...really?
;)
1) Steve Jobs promised 3 GHz within a year. If he doesn't meet that promise, he'll lose a lot of credibility and Apple will lose a lot of respect.
2) 2.0 to 2.6 isn't nearly as big a jump as it seems at first. We're so used to having Macs stuck between 700 MHz and 1.25 GHz that we don't realize that 600 MHz is only 30% of the current 2 GHz high end. Look at it this way - the 1 GHz PowerMac G4, from January of 2002, was replaced with the 1.25 GHz in August of that year. Seven months, 25% increase. Twelve months, 30% increase is worse than that, huh? 2.6 GHz would have been fine a few months ago, maybe February or March, but waiting a full year for a 30% increase in clock speed seems... not so good.
But I know you always fill your posts full of various smilies after every paragraph so as to make sure everyone knows you never take anything too seriously, so here goes:
;) :D :lol: :p :smokey: :wow:
:confused:
;)
EDIT: Oh yeah, you're probably heard this before too, but I really do wonder why there would be an iMac update at WWDC... I mean, it's Worldwide Developers' Conference, not Worldwide Consumers' Conference. But only time will tell.
I'm not pscates, but I consider myself a Lt.Cl. in the Anti-Specwhore army.
1) Yes Steve will lose face if the top end isn't, but I wouldn't put it past Apple do announce the 3GHz and not ship it until August or early September just so they can say that they hit the mark. It would also do a lot to quell the surly mounting anger from the specwhores that TS is reporting 2.6 GHz.
2) It's not always about the top end speed. Yes 2.6 GHz is not as big a jump as we would all like, but if the line is 2.0, 2.2, and 2.6 and it's got bumped internals, the G5 is now a better value. Value doesn't help if you need to render that video faster, but the rest of us it does help.
pscates2.0
2004-06-07, 19:28
EDIT: Oh yeah, you're probably heard this before too, but I really do wonder why there would be an iMac update at WWDC... I mean, it's Worldwide Developers' Conference, not Worldwide Consumers' Conference. But only time will tell.
What in the holy hell is "consumer" about a G5-based iMac? :confused:
It would probably blow the doors off of any other truly "consumer level" PC offering out there.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but does "developer conference = high-end power user"? I was under the impression that developers made stuff (software) and that perhaps something like a G5-based iMac might bring the chip and platform to a wider range of users, encouraging developers to...DEVELOP more stuff for the platform and continue taking the Mac seriously and so forth?
Do I have WWDC pegged wrong? Is it stricly a "power user/pro gear" affair only? No iStuff welcome? Am I to NOW believe that the G5 - in an iMac - somehow doesn't count, and is not to be considered a pretty righteous machine?
The G5 only matters if it's placed into a tower, paired with another G5?
;)
pscates2.0
2004-06-07, 19:33
I'm not pscates, but I consider myself a Lt.Cl. in the Anti-Specwhore army.
Well, as Commanding General, I've given you a battlefield promotion to Full Bird Colonel. You've earned it. :lol:
Well, pscates, you're right that the iMac is certainly not a consumer machine. It hasn't been since MWSF 2002 when the price went above $1000, never to return again.
The problem is that although the price has been extremely high for years now, it's still about as far from a Pro machine as you can get. Not because it still uses the G4. I don't care about that - the G4 is perfectly fine for many people, including many professionals who don't do the most intense stuff (video editing, 3D rendering, etc). The problem is partly because the iMac is simply not designed for professional users, and partly because of people's perception of the iMac. The name doesn't usually conjure up images of Illustrator professionals drawing maps for their clients and meeting deadlines... it's a computer for mommies and daddies. And when my mom wanted to upgrade from her aging blue G3 a year ago, she decided to take a used PowerMac G4 instead of a "faster" eMac for the same price. Since then, she has used the expandability nearly to its limit. She upgraded the monitor from a 17" CRT to a used 22" Cinema display and added a DVD burner. None of that can be done with an eMac.
So, I agree that the iMac really isn't a consumer machine, but it's not a pro machine either. I've never been to WWDC (I mean geez, it's like $5000 to get in, and I'm certainly not a developer), and I am really not totally sure what it's all about. I remember that before last year, new products were generally not announced there, and it's now also the traditional place to show off the features of the next version of OS X. It seems to be turning into a more consumer-oriented show, or at least they are adding a few minutes of stuff they can show off to non-developer geeks like us. I still think an iMac revision would be out of place there, and it would be better to have a quieter update. In fact, there might be quiet updates (that is, ones not associated with an event) for both the iMac and PowerMac, simply because Apple wants to stay away from people assuming that all hardware updates will come in conjunction with an event.
EDIT: pscates, I think that long post you made above (bugger off, et. al) just proves that you actually ARE very militant anti-specwhore while you're trying to prove that you're not. I also think you don't understand my thinking... in case you don't notice, I don't spend a lot of time in rumor threads. Generally I prefer to wait and see what happens, while perhaps thinking of things Apple should or could do that would either be good or bad. Basically, I assess the situation. I don't "plan my whole fucking life" around a PowerMac update and then go commit suicide when it doesn't live up to my expectations. Like you, I just want the best for Apple. I mean come on, you're the one who is constantly ragging on them for their (admittedly really sucky) marketing. I wouldn't say I'm getting on their case at all. Just trying to avoid becoming complacent. If we see 2.6 GHz PowerMacs, I might give a quick "meh" and then move on. I'm not the kind of person who will start a rant thread about how sucky everything is if/when it happens. It really doesn't affect me, I just think it would be a good idea to move to 3.0 GHz. Obviously Apple will do that if possible, I'm just speculating a little.
pscates2.0
2004-06-07, 20:27
But I feel really, really good about them these days, Luca. Don't you? Yeah, the marketing lacks. But man, the innovation and overall vibe of "we get it" just goes a long, long way with me. And the hardware is really great stuff...and only getting better!
Maybe because I just don't live with a constant "Mac vs. PC" mindset, where I know - or care - what "the other side" is up to? That might explain a lot, I guess. I don't think I'm "militant anti-spec whore" as much as I am "I wish people would step back sometimes and see the whole big, beautiful picture...and realize just how damn good we have it".
:)
I'm one of those guys that believes I can do more - and do it easier and smoother - with OS X and a 1GHz G4 than an equally capable/talented guy on some massively tricked-out Windows-based box.
I might be really off and delusional, but that's just how I feel. So I've just never gotten too torqued up on numbers, specs, components, etc. because I've always been so enamored of the OS (X in particular) and who it all just seems to work on a Mac.
If nothing else, I am consistent...I've ALWAYS been that way!
:)
I NEVER lose time or spend half a day dicking around, reinstalling this, fixing that, troubleshooting this, investigating that. That just makes me so happy that the other stuff never really registers or is something I make time to fret over.
I'll fret over marketing because that's a legit concern, and rather easily addressed.
:D
DMBand0026
2004-06-07, 20:41
Couldn't agree with you more pscates. I know for a fact that I can do more, in less time, and with infinitely less hassle on my G4 Cube @ 450mhz than any of my friends can on their wintell boxes @ 3.0 and up. It all comes down to the user. Most of the time, computer problems can be found between the chair and keyboard.
pscates2.0
2004-06-07, 20:48
Yeah, that. And being in a situation where you're using your computer...and not the other way around.
:err:
Again from MacRumors:
Update: Some Apple Stores reportedly already have boxes of new products labeled for the 8th.
I could make some calls, but I doubt I would get anywhere. And it's only tomorrow anyway, we can wait.
Well my question is, since nobody seems to have brought it up - if the new G5s will be 2.2, 2.4 and 2.6 GHz, which chips will they have? I'm going to assume that we're talking about the 970FX here, and not the 975. But reports have been confirmed (!) that the 975 had no issues at IBM and is merrily chugging along in production. Soooo.... what's up Doc? If Apple does announce 2.2, 2.4 and 2.6 970FX based G5s tomorrow, then I can only assume he's saving the 3 GHz 975-based G5 announcement for WWDC.
Right? Or not?
They could just go for a two-line model: low-end 970FX models (maybe 2.4 and 2.6 GHz), then high-end 975 models (maybe 2.8 and 3.0 GHz; maybe Quad? The most important reason the G4 never had any four-processor versions was the FSB limitation - the G5 doesn't *have* that). However, I simply don't buy that they will introduce some models at one point in a month, then the rest of the models few weeks later. Does not make sense!
Instead, they might just introduce the iMac G5 at WWDC, and the PowerMac G5 today.
You know what I'm really hoping for? iSight 2 and iSight mini to accomplish it. I don't need the quality of the iSight 1, nor the price tag, but I want a better-than-average webcam anyway.
I expect the CPU bumps to be decent. However, what may be the showstopper for me would be the graphics card. If Apple is going to offer what they've had for the past revision except with faster CPUs, I might not bite.
Of course, the quandry is new cards require a switch to PCI-E interface and that most certainly isn't happening until the Fall. :(
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I expect the CPU bumps to be decent. However, what may be the showstopper for me would be the graphics card. If Apple is going to offer what they've had for the past revision except with faster CPUs, I might not bite.TS has updated their info with regards to graphics:
Apple will reportedly include an ATI Radeon 9600 XT graphics card in the highest-end configuration and an NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra in the other models.
:/ Meh.
Meh is right. I might sit out until the X800 is available.
Dammit :(
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Wouldn't a Radeon 9600 XT be a downgrade from the 9800 Pro that's currently available? Why would Apple do that? Or what am I missing here?
The 9600 XT for high end would indeed be a step back.
The current offerings are:
NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
ATI Radeon 9600 Pro
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
I imagine, they would become:
NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
ATI Radeon 9600 XT
ATI Radeon 9800 XT
Bumps and not great ones.
Screed
Wouldn't a Radeon 9600 XT be a downgrade from the 9800 Pro that's currently available? Why would Apple do that? Or what am I missing here?
TS reports that the 9600XT would be the standard card, they don't report on the optional cards. The 9800 Pro is currently only an option.
WE DON'T KNOW what cards will be are available as an option. Apple would be crazy to ship their highest end card (whether that ends up being the 9800XT or X800 Pro) as standard, and there is no X600 to replace the 9600 with. So everyone hold their tongue for a bit :p
Barto
As stated previously, Meh. 9600XT is the standard for the 2.5GHz model.
It's a bump, but just a bump.
Okay, let's take a deep breath. Dual 2.0GHz today for the same price of a dual 1.8GHz yesterday. Nice, decent. Were this March, it'd be wonderific.
But that is about all.
I don't know whether I should...
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