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Really? No iOS 6 thread? What gives, people?
The best part for me is that it's approved all the way down to the 3GS! That's unexpected, at least for me. I was concerned that I wouldn't get it on my iPhone 4.
Passbook looks good - I think it'll obsolete a number of existing apps on my phone, at least.
The "do not disturb" functions look fantastic from my point of view...
It'll be interesting to see if the 3GS gets all of iOS 6 or if it gets a subset of iOS 6's functionality like the 3G got a subset of iOS 4's functionality.
My guess is no 3D maps.
Also interesting: the 3GS stands alone as a 3rd gen iDevice that is getting iOS 6. The 3rd gen iPod touch and the original iPad don't get iOS 6.
This is probably because Apple doesn't want to end OS support for a phone before the before they stop selling the phone. iPod touch 3rd gen and original iPad are no longer for sale.
ThunderPoit
2012-06-11, 22:23
Well thats a nice kick in the shin. i love my 1st gen ipad dammit, why shouldnt it last as long as my 3gs?
Passbook shouldn't obsolete most apps on your phone unless you're talking about various apps from startups that provide that same centralized bookkeeping. You're still going to have to order your tickets/passes/etc from somewhere, and it won't be from within Passbook.
Turn-by-turn needs slightly darker/constrastier colors in order to beat out daytime glare, otherwise it seems to work okay.
My personal favorite feature is being able to load apps with Siri. Just saves a couple of seconds from when I have to switch to 1Password or RedLaser or whatever.
pscates2.0
2012-06-11, 23:22
I just watched the Forstall segment of the keynote. Looks good. Looking forward to it, and a new iPhone this fall.
Definitely getting excited for the new iPhone and iOS6. The more and more they keep updating, it's almost getting pretty intimidating. I feel like I don't near take anywhere close to full advantage of what iOS is capable of. Breaks my heart a little bit.
I am very much looking forward to the improvements with iOS. I enjoyed Forstall's presentation much more than anyone else too. He had the best stage presence of them all if you asked me.
bassplayinMacFiend
2012-06-12, 18:42
I hate to say it but it is true, Safari is much snappier in ios 6.
Quagmire
2012-06-12, 19:28
As I expected, the 3GS will be get an extremely neutered version of iOS 6.
http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/06/ios6-feature-chart.png
ThunderPoit
2012-06-12, 20:52
These limits don't make any sense. Doesn't the iPad 2 have hardware similar to the iPhone 4s?
I'm going to start getting really annoyed when all the apps i want to download on my iPad I purchased a year ago suddenly require iOS 6.
These limits don't make any sense. Doesn't the iPad 2 have hardware similar to the iPhone 4s?
If only it was about hardware limitations and not forcing upgrades. ;)
I hate to say it but it is true, Safari is much snappier in ios 6.
It's quite true. Even on the 3GS, Safari is hugely improved. I'm loving it so far. I just wish I could have this snappy version of Safari on my 1st generation iPad.
Hmm... So, apparently, the new Apple maps app no longer does transit directions. Instead it dumps you out to an appropriate 3rd party app. And from bitter experience, I can tell you that these 3rd party apps are really bad. Not cool. In fact, so not cool, I'm seriously considering not upgrading until they fix this. I use the transit directions pretty much every day, and the Vancouver "transit app" just throws you to a painfully slow map that is basically unusable.
To me the removal of transit is a meh. Outside of down town Vancouver it is useless anyway.
Bremen's public transit agency never added itself to Google Maps anyway. They do, however, have an app.
And from bitter experience, I can tell you that these 3rd party apps are really bad.
Really? Because I have Pocket MBTA and iTrans NYC for Boston and New York, respectively, and they are light years better than what's built into the Maps app. iTrans NYC even works offline, which is kind of important given that it's primary use case is inside of an underground tube made of steel and concrete.
Apps for public transit is much better than the Maps app because the Maps app requires a constant internet connection for map data, which you can't always rely on when using public transit. It's not practical to load the Maps app with public transit data for every metro in the world; outsourcing it so people can get the App for just the cities they need is smart. Apple made the right call.
If the Vancouver metro app selection is garbage, all that means is some enterprising young programmer has 4 months to make a better one and cash in when iOS 6 comes out. I wouldn't worry about it.
pscates2.0
2012-06-18, 19:11
Exactly. It's an opportunity. If Apple hands out a bunch of lemons, hopefully some talented folks will make some lemonade.
I'm guessing Maps in iOS 6 may work offline.
I was in an area with terrible edge coverage only, and I was able to pull up turn-by-turn directions instantly.
It worked flawlessly despite having really spotty coverage.
The best part? The screen stays on (no auto-lock) when in turn-by-turn mode. You can turn the screen off and it will still work in the background. Absolutely beautiful implementation!
thegeriatric
2012-06-18, 19:39
iPad 1=No iOS 6 upgrade for me. :(........................:grumble:
dmegatool
2012-06-19, 08:54
The best part? The screen stays on (no auto-lock) when in turn-by-turn mode. You can turn the screen off and it will still work in the background. Absolutely beautiful implementation!
That's how all gps app I've tried worked. But nice anyway ;)
Big big big big features for iOS 6 :
When you download an app, you're not kicked out of the app store.
You don't need to enter your password to update apps (fucking yay !!)
iPad 1=No iOS 6 upgrade for me. :(........................:grumble:
No iOS 6=iPad upgrade for me. :(.................:grumble:
Aw, fuck it. I'm not sad. My iPad 1 is beaten to hell and back anyway. :lol:
Plus, dat screen. And the pretty white color! And the smart covers! Because I always look at my iPad and think, you know what would make this better? Leather.
But, anyway, iOS 6. Am I the only one who thinks the Passbook app is pretty cool? Maybe not for iPads, but for iPhones. The only problem with it now is that it uses ugly robot barf QR codes. But I could see Apple snowballing it into their own NFC mobile payments platform in the future.
Mobile payments might be the future, but Google Wallet sure isn't. Not unless they make it way better, and they won't. But I think "iPay" or whatever would be better, right out of the gate, and Apple has the muscle to help it get more traction, too.
thegeriatric
2012-06-19, 13:05
If Apple release a smaller iPad I might be tempted to upgrade.
Yeah yeah I know!.......................... Ducks........hey cut that out!
:lol:
Plus, dat screen.
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRwganYmg2e2-w4Pejn8AJcaGcTJBLY0B_bLzc_tULj-2Pr4wLYCuFVstC9
But, anyway, iOS 6. Am I the only one who thinks the Passbook app is pretty cool?
Nope, I LOVE that. Remains to be seen how much devs will pick up on it but I love the idea. I want it to gain a bunch of traction and take over from Google Wallet.
torifile
2012-06-19, 18:03
You know what meme I wish would die? The pic with a caption. I hate it. You can't read through the comments on any popular site without hitting 10 of 'em. Everyone thinking they're clever. They're not. (Not directed at you, Xaqtly, it just reminded me of it.)
To me the removal of transit is a meh. Outside of down town Vancouver it is useless anyway.
In my opinion, bad transit directions are worse than none. Google has it in Copenhagen, but it's not as accurate as the local alternative so using Google can take you out on an involuntary detour. Not the best thing if you have an important meeting to go to.
I'd say the usual Apple approach of focusing on the core detail first and adding thing incrementally along the way is the way to go. Even if it means a temporary feature set-back.
Also, I've noticed that Google maps have begun to drop advertising pins on my maps lately which is very annoying on a screen as small as the iPhones.
pscates2.0
2012-06-20, 15:15
Hey, I noticed that as well!
I looked at the App Store for Chattanooga-area transit maps/schedule apps, but none exist. And then I remember we have next-to-nothing in the way of public transit. A half-assed city bus system that services an increasingly smaller part of town (downtown and the immediate surrounding neighborhoods, vs. 10-30 years ago when CARTA buses pretty much blanketed the city). I used to ride them with my grandma when I was a little munchkin...she'd take me shopping and to eat lunch downtown or across the river.
In my opinion, bad transit directions are worse than none.
Agreed. Used it to get downtown from the airport in chicago and it made my trip 30 min longer than it had to be. :\
In my opinion, bad transit directions are worse than none.
I was referring to the transit system itself, not Google's tracking of the system in Maps. ;)
The worst part about those advertising pins of Google's is that, when they're the thing I'm actually looking for and I get directions to, they turn out to be in the wrong spot! The actual location is usually correctly represented by another ad-free pin somewhere else — usually not too far away, but sometimes far enough that I have to take really a roundabout path to get to the correct spot once I'm at the wrong one.
iOS 6 beta 2 is kind of buggy. Looking forward to beta 3.
Turn by turn directions are great. I really like the implementation. Having said that, the maps are not the best. I'm currently living in a pretty rural area, but still a reasonably big area (20K population, the major city compared to the surrounding communities) and the mapping stuff is not nearly as accurate as google maps. Businesses are missing, numbers are wrong, etc. I'm not too impressed with the mapping data accuracy, if that makes sense.
I was on a road trip on Saturday. During a 2 hour portion of the trip on a major highway in Wisconsin that was last revamped two years ago, the maps were horribly wrong. Most annoyingly, it kept saying I was off track and told me the amount I was off track by, but did not adjust the turn-by-turn directions to get back on course. Perhaps it was just too confused because the initial maps were so wrong? Who knows. Hopefully, over time, the accuracy of the maps will be improved.
* Turn-by-turn is good enough to where I wouldn't have bought the standalone TomTom app. I'll keep using the paid app for now since it has extra features like traffic camera alerts...
* iTunes Match integration is awesome. Frees up a ton of space and I no longer have to make a bunch of 'iPhone' specific playlists.
* I love panorama mode. (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22649165/4S-pano.png)
* Siri is still useless outside of setting alarms and looking like a tool in public.
Hmmm.... (http://lifehacker.com/5942469/upgrade-to-ios-6-right-now)
Seems legit right? What's the MD5 for the 4S?
Hmmm.... (http://lifehacker.com/5942469/upgrade-to-ios-6-right-now)
Seems legit right? What's the MD5 for the 4S?
Seems legit, but 7+ hours to download and you never know what someone added to that "GM" to steal some of your information.
Yeah, that's why I mentioned the MD5 on it. I've searched around the web and there are a few places that have put the MD5 up and if one of these matches, I'll likely be running iOS6 by morning.
I guess I'm confused, if the MD5 that people have said is in the GM matches the MD5 in the file Lifehacker posted, then it's not been tampered with? You can't fake that kind of thing?
Right. I wouldn't say "can't", but most people won't put effort into faking for something like this. The MD5 hash is very trusted, provided the one telling you the MD5 to compare it to is good. ;)
torifile
2012-09-14, 21:48
I'll check the md5 for you.
Can we post it here? It's not ban worthy is it? Just MD5s, not instructions on how to go about getting them or anything like that?
torifile
2012-09-14, 21:54
Can we post it here? It's not ban worthy is it? Just MD5s, not instructions on how to go about getting them or anything like that?
I dunno. I'm a dev so I have a legally acquired build. I'll post it and if it's not kosher, I can remove it. I just type "md5 [filename]" in the terminal right?
39ccab647587916a989c6316aae70c62
I dunno. I'm a dev so I have a legally acquired build. I'll post it and if it's not kosher, I can remove it. I just type "md5 [filename]" in the terminal right?
39ccab647587916a989c6316aae70c62
Yeah, that's how you check. What's the file you ran that on? Was it the 4S?
torifile
2012-09-14, 21:56
Yeah, that's how you check. What's the file you ran that on? Was it the 4S?
ios_6_gm_seed__iphone_4s__10a403.dmg
Hmm...
iPhone4,1_6.0_10A403_Restore.ipsw
e145b74b35bf789f82641f987d93e876
This doesn't match up. This is the one everyone is saying is good. It's also a different filename though.
torifile
2012-09-14, 22:08
Hmm...
iPhone4,1_6.0_10A403_Restore.ipsw
e145b74b35bf789f82641f987d93e876
This doesn't match up. This is the one everyone is saying is good. It's also a different filename though.
Oh. I'll mount the dmg and do an md5 on the ipsw. Should be different.
edit:
e145b74b35bf789f82641f987d93e876
Looks good to me.
Guys, you're comparing apples to oranges. Torifile's MD5 is on the .dmg package, and turtle's MD5 is the .ipsw restore file itself. (Oh, you figured it out).
I will really miss Maps transit on my new iPhone 5. I don't know if I'd upgrade otherwise. The Pittsburgh transit app market is pretty poor. I just wish I had the time to curate the GTFS feed into a simple app myself. But the official feed from the city is a mess. Google makes very good sense of it.
torifile
2012-09-14, 22:11
e145b74b35bf789f82641f987d93e876
e145b74b35bf789f82641f987d93e876
:d :d :d
Edit: :lol: It wouldn't let me to just three big smiles!
:D :D :D
The programable Do Not Disturb settings and the phone number syncing for iMessages are hands down some of the best upgrades in a long while.
Do Not Disturb alone, combined with the individual mail account notification settings, will make a huge difference in separating work life from home life.
I'm in love with the panorama on my 4S! All I've taken are panoramas in my house though. :p I think I'm going to head to the beach later today to give it another test. :D
I haven't messed with DND yet but it is something I wanted and am very interested in playing with. Didn't even know about individual mail notifications...
So iCloud and Music aren't playing nice for me. Like not playing at all. I can see that I have Artists and Albums but can't pull up any songs. It rather sucks. I can't even get music onto the device right now with it using iCloud. I normally use iClound Music to play music on the god but keep a few playlists saved on the phone so I can play it in my car's stereo. This is somewhat of a bummer to me.
In iOS6, did they make it easier to toggle Bluetooth on and off?
In iOS6, did they make it easier to toggle Bluetooth on and off?
It's on the top level of the Settings app:
http://imageshack.us/a/img822/8999/img0005nk.png
Brave Ulysses
2012-09-19, 10:56
It's on the top level of the Settings app:
http://imageshack.us/a/img822/8999/img0005nk.png
I wish it was accessible from a double home button press and a right swipe like audio level.
I also wish it could be location dependent...... off when I get home, but turned on when I leave home.... turned off when I am at work.
Apple isn't being as innovative as Android when it comes to stuff like that and it could lead to great savings in battery life.
In iOS6, did they make it easier to toggle Bluetooth on and off?
To stretch out the lifespan of my crippled iPhone 3GS up through Friday, I jailbroke (for the first time) just to add NCSettings - it puts all these toggles right at the top of the notification sheet. Manually toggling 3G and Wifi and keeping the brightness low helped my phone's battery last much longer. It's going to be hard to go back, even if I don't need to be as aggressive in battery-saving techniques.
I haven't put much jailbreak stuff on, but I think I might miss swipe-on-keyboard-to-move-text-caret (SwipeSelection) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h2yrBK7MAY) even more than the settings toggles.
Brave Ulysses
2012-09-19, 11:29
iOS 6 Maps kind of sucks... it's visually somewhat nicer than Google Maps, but the map data is much worse and the feature set is just very limited. The 3D flyover is useless for the majority of people, and even for those that live in an area with flyover data, streetview is arguably more useful and faster.
I know WHY Apple did this, but I'm not sure I agree with the timing. I wouldn't have released it at this point. It's incomplete as far as I am concerned.
Free turn by turn navigation is pretty awesome though (although very late to the party).
torifile
2012-09-19, 11:37
Free turn by turn combined with Siri and open table reservations is downright awesome. Just Siri and turn by turn is great. "How do I get home?" is a pretty nice thing to have handy.
I disagree with the Maps. I haven't noticed any differences in the data I would get from Google vs the data that I now get from Apple. In fact, now I am told if the route has a toll road, which I wasn't before -- big plus considering just about everywhere you turn near me is a toll road.
Brave Ulysses
2012-09-19, 11:57
I disagree with the Maps. I haven't noticed any differences in the data I would get from Google vs the data that I now get from Apple. In fact, now I am told if the route has a toll road, which I wasn't before -- big plus considering just about everywhere you turn near me is a toll road.
Google Maps told me about toll roads.
There is no building data (no footprints on maps, very limited data about terrain and parks, much less location data, searching for locations is far more limited, typing in business or building names is now a shot in the dark, no data for campus plans, park plans, etc... very poor visual hierarchy of road types.
No street view, no transit data, no bicycle directions.
torifile.... it could be great but they are poorly integrated.... using siri pulls you out of navigation, and once navigation is on, siri can't interact with navigation.... missed opportunities.... sure it is a first stab at it, but its probably the biggest "feature" of iOS 6.
Is there any way to save the Maps.ipa file from iOS 5 and manually install it back into iOS 6? I'm really going to hate the new maps. Killing transit alone removes the #1 killer app on my phone.
Just got my update and I hate to be 'that guy' but my phone (iPhone 4S) feels ever so slightly 'snappier' so far. With that out of the way. A few thoughts about Maps.
I'm disappointed that they haven't integrated a simple one-handed solution for zooming out of maps. Two finger gestures are unwieldy if you're strictly trying to use one hand. Zooming around my neighborhood, a lot of businesses are filled in, but a lot more are missing, it seems to have all of the schools, parks, churchs and public buildings though.
Already noticing a few inaccuracies as well, including the listing of a business that not only hasn't been there for a couple of years, but the lot it was completely demolished and rehabilitated.
The maps are loading tremendously fast though, so there's that. But really, Apple needs to hustle to fill in the businesses, building outlines, shopping centers and points of interest and all of the secondary and tertiary information that made Google Maps great. It's certainly not bad for a first outing, but I hope it doesn't end up taking until iOS7 or iOS8 until it's as comprehensive as Google, Bing or others.
Edit: spending some more time zooming around and loading maps over 3g and it is just amazing how fast they are, it practically feels like the entirety of the mapping information is installed on my phone.
torifile
2012-09-19, 12:37
I agree re: the 4S' snappiness. I've been running iOS 6 since the GM last week and I immediately noticed the extra pep.
Downloading this now.
Most excited about Passbook. For traveling as frequently as I do, this should help me in so many ways, as long as all of the airlines actually jump on board.
Brave Ulysses
2012-09-19, 12:58
Downloading this now.
Most excited about Passbook. For traveling as frequently as I do, this should help me in so many ways, as long as all of the airlines actually jump on board.
I haven't been able to find any passbook apps though... clicking on app store in passbook brings up a blank app store page. For a few days Starbucks showed up, but once downloaded, it still was not integrated into passbook.:\
Upgraded. Took about 75min, not too bad. Everything is teh snappier. Nice refinements throughout system.
Downloading this now.
Most excited about Passbook. For traveling as frequently as I do, this should help me in so many ways, as long as all of the airlines actually jump on board.
Passbook seems live now, at least in some regards. There are a few options available in the store. It seems like the apps listed are the actual apps, so maybe Passbook is a feature that existing apps can tie into, rather than having to download a separate app or plugin.
Yet another painless upgrade from Apple.
A few observations from my iPhone 4:
Safari is definitely faster now.
iCloud tabs are teh win!
Vector graphics maps are bitching fast, but the satellite images of Copenhagen are not as good as Googles.
Finally Mail can use an alias as standard and disable addresses that I don't use.
The Google YouTube app is a lot better than Apples old one.
iOS 6 is hereby approved by me. :cool:
Finally got it updated. Took almost 3 hours though. First thing I'm gonna do when I get home is try and figure out this Passbook thing.
I updated last Friday. I'm a huge fan. I used the iOS 6 maps to navigate my way to and around NYC over the weekend and around Boston on Monday. Worked great. I don't know why everyone is complaining it's a downgrade. The turn-by-turn alone makes it a huge upgrade. It seems to be better at showing me nearby restaurants and stores, too.
Brave Ulysses
2012-09-19, 15:40
I updated last Friday. I'm a huge fan. I used the iOS 6 maps to navigate my way to and around NYC over the weekend and around Boston on Monday. Worked great. I don't know why everyone is complaining it's a downgrade. The turn-by-turn alone makes it a huge upgrade. It seems to be better at showing me nearby restaurants and stores, too.
I'm sorry to seem like I'm simply ripping on Maps, but I really don't understand how any of you can honestly claim this is a huge upgrade....
http://i.imgur.com/6hWW5.gif
http://i.imgur.com/EotCB.gif
There are counties with no data, towns and small cities with basic data, black and white imagery, blurry imagery, locations in the wrong places, roads and freeways missing, etc....
I fully understand it's Apple first stab at this, but it's coming at the expense of the user experience. Apple is the world's most valuable company and is making billions off of its users... Apple should not accept this quality in its shipping finished products...
iOS 6 Maps feels beta-esque. Nice preview of things to come, but, generally speaking, a step back.
Finally got it updated. Took almost 3 hours though. First thing I'm gonna do when I get home is try and figure out this Passbook thing.
http://www.passsource.com/
That site lets you make your own.
Until vendors, etc, provide passes, Passbook has about zero capability, AFAICT.
A few observations from my iPhone 4:
...
iOS 6 is hereby approved by me. :cool:
A coworker of mine updated, and on his iPhone 4 the music app has become literally unusable since the update. Everything in that app specifically is terribly slow. It takes seconds to do anything. Launching, scrolling, pressing any buttons... it feels like it is constantly locking. We even force quit the app, and that didn't help.
What's your experience been like with the music app? I use that app constantly when on the go, and I won't upgrade until Apple straightens out the music app's problems.
dmegatool
2012-09-19, 16:30
but I think I might miss swipe-on-keyboard-to-move-text-caret (SwipeSelection) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h2yrBK7MAY) even more than the settings toggles.
Holy shit !! Downloading...
@BU & chucker
It must be a location thing. In New York and Boston it worked fine for me. I haven't tested it in rural areas or other countries, because I am not often in rural areas or other countries. But I wouldn't be surprised if Apple prioritized American cities over everything else for this first release. That top comparison gif is clearly in the UK, and I've heard that Apple's data really blows when compared to Google's data in the UK from many sources.
http://www.passsource.com/
That site lets you make your own.
Until vendors, etc, provide passes, Passbook has about zero capability, AFAICT.
Thanks kick. I made a couple but haven't tried them yet. If I reloaded my Starbucks card, would it automatically adjust the passbook card or would I have to create a new one? I assume places like Starbucks will make official ones, no?
Thanks kick. I made a couple but haven't tried them yet. If I reloaded my Starbucks card, would it automatically adjust the passbook card or would I have to create a new one? I assume places like Starbucks will make official ones, no?
Looks like to get updates to passes you make, you have to sign up for their service.
MBHockey
2012-09-19, 17:55
Really liking the maps in NYC so far. Points of interest are much more obvious! I'm sure big cities got priority for many of Maps' features though.
But why the hell can't I remove music from my device with iTunes Match? There's no more swipe to erase songs? And worse, I can't figure put how to delete any music at all from my iPhone! The iPad at least has that large album grid view that you can erase entire albums from. What gives!?
Yet another painless upgrade from Apple.
A few observations from my iPhone 4:
Safari is definitely faster now.
iCloud tabs are teh win!
Vector graphics maps are bitching fast, but the satellite images of Copenhagen are not as good as Googles.
Finally Mail can use an alias as standard and disable addresses that I don't use.
The Google YouTube app is a lot better than Apples old one.
iOS 6 is hereby approved by me. :cool:
Yup, agreed. Well, except for the YouTube app, which now has ads. And for some reason, it drops my home WIFI no matter what i do. It keeps asking me to log in and redirects me to apple.com. :confused:
Anyone mind confirming that the release is the same MD5 as the one we have already?
My install is buggy and I'm going to do a clean install. :(
Brave Ulysses
2012-09-19, 18:29
Anyone mind confirming that the release is the same MD5 as the one we have already?
My install is buggy and I'm going to do a clean install. :(
I can confirm that it is.
i've noticed a few glitches but nothing that would surprise me with a .0 release.
Painless upgrade...and as others have chimed, Safari is super snappy now. Hope this lasts!
Cool, thanks. I did find this for a list of links to the direct from Apple downloads:
http://www.itworld.com/mobile-wireless/296310/download-ios-6-ipsw-files-apple
I didn't check all of them, just the 4S one.
My issues are I can't load up movies and my iTunes in the Cloud doesn't work. I can see my playlists, but there are no songs. It really sucks. I use my phone for movies and music all the time! Before this anyway. :p
I also have an issue where iTunes thinks I have 17.6GB of "Other". Oh well, this was an upgrade install originally. I'll just do the clean install for fun.
Thanks BU.
Brave Ulysses
2012-09-19, 18:53
Cool, thanks. I did find this for a list of links to the direct from Apple downloads:
http://www.itworld.com/mobile-wireless/296310/download-ios-6-ipsw-files-apple
I didn't check all of them, just the 4S one.
My issues are I can't load up movies and my iTunes in the Cloud doesn't work. I can see my playlists, but there are no songs. It really sucks. I use my phone for movies and music all the time! Before this anyway. :p
I also have an issue where iTunes thinks I have 17.6GB of "Other". Oh well, this was an upgrade install originally. I'll just do the clean install for fun.
Thanks BU.
hmmm.... ok. I had similar issues at first with my "early" GM. The problem I had was when I tried to upgrade.... everything was resolved by a clean install.
Why? I don't know. But upgrading from the "early GM" virtually bricked my phone.
hmmm.... ok. I had similar issues at first with my "early" GM. The problem I had was when I tried to upgrade.... everything was resolved by a clean install.
Why? I don't know. But upgrading from the "early GM" virtually bricked my phone.
It's normal that pre-release OS versions are *not* supposed to be upgraded to the final version. They certainly aren't guaranteed to work. Devs just take this as part and parcel - if you're going to install any OS version prior to the public release one, expect to wipe the machine/device and reinstall from scratch.
Brave Ulysses
2012-09-19, 19:04
It's normal that pre-release OS versions are *not* supposed to be upgraded to the final version. They certainly aren't guaranteed to work. Devs just take this as part and parcel - if you're going to install any OS version prior to the public release one, expect to wipe the machine/device and reinstall from scratch.
I'm sorry.... I think you misunderstood.... I was not upgrading a previous beta.... Upgrading from 5.1. And had all sorts of issues. By "early GM" I just meant the GM build released to developers a week ago.... not today. Same thing, but I had issues upgrading using it last week.
Cool, thanks. I did find this for a list of links to the direct from Apple downloads:
http://www.itworld.com/mobile-wireless/296310/download-ios-6-ipsw-files-apple
I didn't check all of them, just the 4S one.
My issues are I can't load up movies and my iTunes in the Cloud doesn't work. I can see my playlists, but there are no songs. It really sucks. I use my phone for movies and music all the time! Before this anyway. :p
I also have an issue where iTunes thinks I have 17.6GB of "Other". Oh well, this was an upgrade install originally. I'll just do the clean install for fun.
Thanks BU.
I'm having a similar issue. My playlists are gone but the songs are there. iTunes Match in the cloud won't load.
I'm having a similar issue. My playlists are gone but the songs are there. iTunes Match in the cloud won't load.
Well, I tried another upgrade with specifying the file and it didn't work. Now I'm trying a complete restore. I'll let you know how it turns out.
I'm sorry.... I think you misunderstood.... I was not upgrading a previous beta.... Upgrading from 5.1. And had all sorts of issues. By "early GM" I just meant the GM build released to developers a week ago.... not today. Same thing, but I had issues upgrading using it last week.
Ahhhh, okay. I thought you were upgrading *from* the early GM build to the iOS 6 released today. Sorry about that. :)
BlueRabbit
2012-09-19, 20:29
There are building outlines in Maps, but you have to zoom in pretty close to see them. For the most part things are well-marked—all the parks around me (I live in Denver, so there are a lot) are there, as well as most of the businesses. It seems like they could display more businesses without zooming in though, since the business icons are fairly small.
Some of their maps data is hilariously out of date—for example, they show a hospital near my house that closed in 1995 and has been high-rise condos for a few years. I've reported that and a few other things, so we'll see how quickly they can fix them.
Complete restore did bring back my iTunes in the Cloud and my movies and such. Shame really. I hate having to start over. Oh well, I am loving iOS 6 overall though.
Turtle, when I get the iPhone 5 Friday and I do a restore from backup via iCloud, am I going to run into the same situation? If not, I can hold off til then.
While I don't know for sure I think you will. When I tried the restore it had the same issue. This makes me pretty sure you should just wait and configure your iPhone 5 as a new phone. Save your time and energy.
On that note though, this is much better than it was with the upgrade. Seems some upgrades just don't do all that well.
Yeah I'll just go that route and wait for the iPhone 5 and see if I run into the same issues.
By the way, I thought we were supposed to get streaming capabilities with iOS 6 instead of the song downloading?
torifile
2012-09-19, 21:15
I upgraded from 5.1 to the GM without a problem. Same for my iPad.
I haven't had any issues with my iPad 2 since updating. Waiting for iPhone 4 to update now.
Apparently the update screwed up my old boss's music library — all songs 0:00 long, and all track titles gone. :eek:
pscates2.0
2012-09-19, 23:01
Good grief, it took long enough. Two hangs, endless downloading/installing, etc. Some of these interface elements and changes look odd. But, then again, it's late and I'm cranky as hell at how long and aggravating this has been. I'll look at it all with fresh (and friendly) eyes tomorrow.
drewprops
2012-09-19, 23:08
I'm hearing grumbles on Facebook too... oh you silly early adopters :lol:
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SpecMode
2012-09-20, 00:01
One of the fringe benefits of being a (really) early adopter - you only have to compete with other iOS developers for bandwidth. :)
ezkcdude
2012-09-20, 00:35
I love Clock.
What's your experience been like with the music app? I use that app constantly when on the go, and I won't upgrade until Apple straightens out the music app's problems.
It looks different, but it works just as usual. I don't have any problems erasing items or such which others seems to have experienced. Maybe it's because I'm not using iTunes Match or iCloud for music?
A further inspection of Maps shows some details are missing. For example: You can find Parken stadium in Copenhagen by typing in the word, but the (very big) building is not visible on the map. The green areas generally seem to ignore buildings located on them.
@ PBPM: yes, there are ads in the new YouTube, but it now has the ability to resume seemlessly if you exit the app and relaunch it. The lack of this feature was really annoying in Apple's version. Also, I've read that now that it supports ads there is some content which was previously blocked that we now get to see. I think it's mostly music videos.
SpecMode
2012-09-20, 02:21
What's your experience been like with the music app? I use that app constantly when on the go, and I won't upgrade until Apple straightens out the music app's problems.
No major issues on my end, but iTunes Match still can't get smart playlist ordering right, which I find very annoying. It would be nice if the app offered sorting options beyond "sort by artist" and "fuck it, don't sort by artist". :grumble:
Don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but I just noticed that if you drag down on the mailbox screen in Mail it forces a check for new mail-- and the UI makes that clear by first revealing an arrow in a circle reload badge, then showing that stretch down as you slide your finger, till it sort of "pops" and is replaced by the spinning cursor that shows activity.
pscates2.0
2012-09-20, 03:51
Yeah, I just saw that. Neat. And Safari does seem very fast too.
Don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but I just noticed that if you drag down on the mailbox screen in Mail it forces a check for new mail-- and the UI makes that clear by first revealing an arrow in a circle reload badge, then showing that stretch down as you slide your finger, till it sort of "pops" and is replaced by the spinning cursor that shows activity.
Is that what that is? Oh thank god, I thought I had a booger on my screen.
torifile
2012-09-20, 06:58
I don't know if the music problems others are experiencing are similar to what's happened to me (before ever installing any build of iOS 6) - twice in the past 2 months all my music got deleted. Not only that, but my Reeder settings and news items got erased. I think te caches were wiped from the phone in some cleanup gone astray.
I believe that the OS still thought the music was still there but it wasn't found on my device through my car's head unit. Again, this was completely unrelated to iOS 6.
On topic - anyone notice the slight difference in the keyboard and the way the "menu bar" changes color? I think it's translucent like in OS X.
Yeah I believe it is translucent. I've noticed it in Messages.
torifile
2012-09-20, 08:14
Yes. It's most definitely translucent. You can see it clearly in Photos if you zoom into a photo so that part of it is off the top edge.
Apparently the new Maps app sucks really bad. As in lousy integration with public transport, towns that are missing, towns in the wrong locations, etc. Good thing we have 3D fly-bys though!! :rolleyes: Not sure if Jobs was still in charge when this decision was made but ultimately it's on The Tim because he's been talking with the team who is supposedly developing and testing it for months, and they obviously did not do a good job at all.
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2012/09/19/the-verdict-on-apples-new-map-app-compared-with-google-maps-it-sucks/
I've found harsh words from BBC and others too. Apple really fucked this up. I don't understand why they did it in the first place. People LIKE Google Maps and it worked really well... sometimes the need for control causes people to make really stupid decisions. This is one of those times. This is actually going to deter me from buying an iPhone until they fix it because Maps would be my most-valued app with a smart phone.
Now regretting I upgraded my iPad yesterday... because it is useful there as well. More useful than Siri is for example.
Brave Ulysses
2012-09-20, 09:38
Apparently the new Maps app sucks really bad. As in lousy integration with public transport, towns that are missing, towns in the wrong locations, etc. Good thing we have 3D fly-bys though!! :rolleyes:
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2012/09/19/the-verdict-on-apples-new-map-app-compared-with-google-maps-it-sucks/
I've found harsh words from BBC and others too. Apple really fucked this up. I don't understand why they did it in the first place. People LIKE Google Maps and it worked really well... sometimes the need for control causes people to make really stupid decisions. This is one of those times.
It's simply unacceptable.
It's not up to Apple's standards, and it is a big step backwards. It's an example of Apple's ego getting the best of it. Apple is not a mapping company, and they did not put enough effort in, and spend enough money to become a mapping company. Hopefully Apple will at least stick with it and pour resources into it unlike their other failed and poorly received ventures.
I live next to a large, developed city with one of the bigger malls in northeast Ohio with lots of restaurants and whatnot and a lot of things are missing off the map. Traffic update doesn't seem to be that well implemented as of right now either.
BU: My guess is they won't. They'll go back to Google Maps because it will be far less expensive (even if more embarrassing), and because millions of users will be screaming for it. They won't want to use the public "Google maps + ads" version that will be available soon.
I'm trying to figure out why they partnered with TomTom, because historically their stuff sucks. Like the guy in the article said, Apple chose to move from the very best map and GPS data set (Google's) to the very worst. Definitely some ego at play here. Apple thought they could "sexify" a subpar map company's data and make it work.
Brave Ulysses
2012-09-20, 09:55
BU: My guess is they won't. They'll go back to Google Maps because it will be far less expensive (even if more embarrassing), and because millions of users will be screaming for it. They won't want to use the public "Google maps + ads" version that will be available soon.
I'm trying to figure out why they partnered with TomTom, because historically their stuff sucks. Like the guy in the article said, Apple chose to move from the very best map and GPS data set (Google's) to the very worst.
I don't know if we have ever seen an example of Apple shaming itself like that though. It would really be unprecedented.
Unfortunately this just appears half-assed. Flyover is really a limited gimmick that clearly Apple thought would be a selling point but doesn't even appear to have met their expectations and likely exceeded their estimates for time and resource allocation. (It really appears SJ was a sucker for once during whatever company sold them on the Flyover concept) And the maps themselves are just awful.... at this point in time there is NO reason to be going backwards in maps and facing issues and inaccuracies that were faced a decade ago. It's really stupid.
But... Apple usually handles these things in all the wrong ways.... Mobile Me never got better... executives just got angry and people got laid off and threatened. Other products were just left in limbo until no one used them and Apple eventually killed them. For all of Apple's success, they have not handled misfires well at all in their modern renaissance period... they tend to just drop them and move on, and unfortunately for us, that's not going to happen very fast this time around :-\
What are teh odds someone starts a "AppleMapsSucks" FB page and web site in the next 5 days? :) I agree their track record on admitting mistakes is not great but I think this one is going to start a tidal wave of angry feedback online. People can use iOS6's new FB integration to start an anti-Maps movement. :lol:
No major issues on my end, but iTunes Match still can't get smart playlist ordering right, which I find very annoying. It would be nice if the app offered sorting options beyond "sort by artist" and "fuck it, don't sort by artist". :grumble:
:lol:
I'm not laughing at the problem; your phrasing is hilarious.
I'm surprised more companies didn't already have passbook "apps" ready to roll out at launch. Especially people like Starbucks who was advertised back in June.
Anyone else find it ironic the new icon for Maps in iOS 6 indicates directions to Interstate 280 west from Cupertino, which is towards Google in Mountain View? :lol:
The lack of public transport integration in Maps is total deal breaker. Guess it's (reluctantly) back to the HopStop app...
Brave Ulysses
2012-09-20, 12:27
towards is a stretch.
If it was going north on 85 you might have a point.
I thought I would at least enjoy the 3D fly-over mode as a novelty, but the nature of the technology renders low angle full zoom views as a kind of semi-melted hell-scape that's not pretty at all. It's like flying over a post-apocalyptic wasteland.
I thought I would at least enjoy the 3D fly-over mode as a novelty, but the nature of the technology renders low angle full zoom views as a kind of semi-melted hell-scape that's not pretty at all. It's like flying over a post-apocalyptic wasteland.
:lol:
This needs to be quoted in a review somewhere.
What are teh odds someone starts a "AppleMapsSucks" FB page and web site in the next 5 days? :) I agree their track record on admitting mistakes is not great but I think this one is going to start a tidal wave of angry feedback online. People can use iOS6's new FB integration to start an anti-Maps movement. :lol:
http://theamazingios6maps.tumblr.com
I use the Google Maps on my iPhone extensively - pretty much daily.
So I think that I will skip iOS6 on my iPhone 4, and wait till I can't resist an iPhone 5 any longer to be forced into using Apple's Craps app (oops, I mean "Maps").
Maybe they'll get better by then? 'Cause it seems that is all that The Tech Press is talking about right now.
EDIT: Just a small sample from MacSurfer:
"Apple's iPhone 5 is great, but maps, iOS 6? Frustrating for some." Christian Science Monitor 8:05 AM
"New Apple maps app under fire from users" BBC 8:19 AM
"Apple criticised over new iPhone Maps app: Apple faces a barrage of criticism over omissions and errors in its new Maps app for the iPhone, which it created to replace Google Maps in the newly-released iOS6." Telegraph 8:09 AM
"Japan Gets Lost With Apple's New iPhone Maps" WSJ Blogs 8:39 AM
"Stratford-upon-Avon is missing and Greenland is in the Indian Ocean: Apple loses its way with maps technology for iPhone 5" The Independent 1:20 PM
"Apple's Maps app slammed over missing cities and other mistakes" CNET News 10:36 AM
"Backlash grows against Apple's Maps app" Financial Times [Paid Membership Required] 12:49 PM
screensaver400
2012-09-20, 14:50
Maps.google.com is darn close to feature complete when compared with the old Maps app. Transit times, driving directions, etc. Add a link to your home screen and you're on good shape.
No Street View, though.
I was using iOS 6 maps in two different cities all last weekend and I literally had zero problems. I think the blacklash is a wee bit overblown.
The turn-by-turn alone was worth it, and Google refused to license their turn-by-turn data. Either Apple could keep using Google Maps, or they could offer turn-by-turn, but not both, and I know a number of people who bought an Android phone instead of an iPhone because the Android phone had free turn-by-turn.
Google forced Apple's hand here. They knew free turn-by-turn was a huge competitive advantage for Android, so they withheld it from iOS.
And as with most Apple "controversies," six months from now this will be a non-issue. Partially because Apple will improve their maps data, and partially because the internet has the collective memory span of a goldfish.
drewprops
2012-09-20, 16:12
Welcome to AppleNova, Kraetos!
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MBHockey
2012-09-20, 16:18
The turn-by-turn alone was worth it, and Google refused to license their turn-by-turn data. Either Apple could keep using Google Maps, or they could offer turn-by-turn, but not both, and I know a number of people who bought an Android phone instead of an iPhone because the Android phone had free turn-by-turn.
Google forced Apple's hand here. They knew free turn-by-turn was a huge competitive advantage for Android, so they withheld it from iOS.
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I hadn't heard of this. Do you have a source?
Brave Ulysses
2012-09-20, 16:24
I hadn't heard of this. Do you have a source?
I've never seen that before either.
I have seen no suggestion that Google was not open to licensing Google Maps to Apple anymore. Apple could have done what they wanted with Google Maps. But it's pretty apparent that they didn't put any effort into the Google Maps application because they have known for several years they were going to go it alone.
It wasn't that Google wasn't willing to license their map data. It was that they weren't licensing their turn-by-turn functionality specifically.
I guess Apple could have built their own turn-by-turn functionality on top of Google's data, but for all we know the licensing terms prevented Apple from doing that.
There's also the fact that Google is now charging more to license their data, but I'm sure that's just icing on the cake. Apple could afford it if they believed it was beneficial to continue to their relationship with Google.
And finally, there's ads. Ads on Google maps are Google's big new play with Google Maps data. I doubt Apple could have thrown any amount of money at Google to get them to lift that new condition of the licensing agreement.
Sources:
http://thenextweb.com/apple/2012/09/20/tnws-complete-review-apples-ios-6-maps-video/
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57516114-93/amid-weak-reviews-of-apple-maps-google-offers-alternative/
http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-maps-with-turn-by-turn-directions-2012-6
My overall point is this: many are all assuming Apple did this to "screw" Google. But for all we know, Google wanted to charge 10x for Apple to continue to use Gmaps data, and was going to litter it with ads on top of that. And it's also possible that even with all those restrictions, Google was still unwilling to license their turn-by-turn data.
Brave Ulysses
2012-09-20, 16:53
I think you are a bit off on these assertions. Google licenses the maps.... they built turn by turn on top of it for Android. I'm sure Apple could have done the same. Perhaps the licensing would be different (more $$) but I see no reason or suggestion that Apple could not have done that.
Apple's licensing deal reached an end according to sources and Apple chose not to renew it. I don't see why Google would push for that. Maybe Google wanted more money.... I'm sure they did.... could you blame them?
Google may make money off of ads on maps, but they also make money off of licensing the data and off of the searches/references/businesses I believe. The search data from millions of iOS users is also very valuable to Google.
either way.... Apple has its work cut out:
http://allthingsd.com/20120920/apple-maps-app-takes-reality-distortion-to-a-whole-new-level/
I think you are a bit off on these assertions. Google licenses the maps.... they built turn by turn on top of it for Android. I'm sure Apple could have done the same. Perhaps the licensing would be different (more $$) but I see no reason or suggestion that Apple could not have done that.
Google doesn't license their maps from anyone. You think Apple was paying Google to license the data if Google was getting it from someone else?
Google maintains their own map data and turn-by-turn on Android is heavily integrated into the data they've spent the past 8 years collecting. Everything I've read about this leads me to believe that it is extremely difficult to build a turn-by-turn app if you don't control the data. I think that, more than anything, the desire to have turn-by-turn built into iOS is the main reason Apple made this switch.
Apple's licensing deal reached an end according to sources and Apple chose not to renew it. I don't see why Google would push for that. Maybe Google wanted more money.... I'm sure they did.... could you blame them?
They wanted more money and they wanted to integrate ads. They wanted to charge Apple more for the privilege of annoying Apple's users.
Google may make money off of ads on maps, but they also make money off of licensing the data and off of the searches/references/businesses I believe. The search data from millions of iOS users is also very valuable to Google.
Right, and now Apple can use that data to enhance their own services, as opposed to handing it over to their strongest competition.
Brave Ulysses
2012-09-20, 17:37
I didn't want to get into a tit for tat with you but some of your points are (not logical... smooch).
Google doesn't license their maps from anyone
Yea, l meant Google licenses the maps to Apple (and others). (I thought that was clear... hug).
You think Apple was paying Google to license the data if Google was getting it from someone else?
You just updated this point to go even further off on this tangent. Despite that... you are wrong. Up until recently, Google used TeleAtlas data for its map.... it's only since Android that Google switched to its own data.... in the US alone. TeleAtlas is still used by Google internationally.
I think that, more than anything, the desire to have turn-by-turn built into iOS is the main reason Apple made this switch.
More than anything? You can't be serious (haha, punches shoulder... silly guy)...... so the company with a chip on its shoulder and who's former CEO declared thermonuclear war on Google, more than anything, did this to get turn-by turn directions? Come on man.... (have a drink and let's discuss what has happened between Google and Apple the last 5 years)
One reason Apple doesn't have turn-by-turn is that it doesn't own its own maps database, according to Dr. Ed Lu, a former astronaut who did data gathering for Google on its maps and Google Earth products, as well as street view and other imaging. He's now working on a 3D mapping company, Hover.
Lu said that Google couldn't include turn-by-turn directions on Android phones until it had control of its own mapping database. The companies that provide databases wouldn't let Google do it, because it was a threat to their business.
Likewise, when Apple wanted to get access to the data to do its own thing with maps, Google was equally difficult.
Lu cautioned that he wasn't directly involved in conversations between Apple and Google, and his information was "third hand," but he said Apple's relationship with Google deteriorated over what Apple wanted to do with Google maps. He wouldn't provide more details on what Apple wanted to do.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-maps-with-turn-by-turn-directions-2012-6#ixzz273ISiJCr
from your link.... none of your links mention Google's desire to include ads... or that being a sticking point.
This is also the only portion of any of those links that comes close to being credible and not just assumptions by pundits..... a former astronaut..... who cautions he really doesn't have a clue what he is saying is factual... it's just third hand. You and me are third hand too.... third hand is not a source.
Perhaps turn-by-turn was a sticking point for licensing.... we have no idea. There have been far more sources that have said this was due to Apple setting a goal for iOS 6 of ridding it of reliance on Google. What seems more reasonable based on recent history? Apple not being able to do turn-by-turn directions on its own with google's data or Apple being hellbent on not relying on its competitor and now court foe for anything?
Darn. We were so close to having a civil discussion. I was actually really excited when you replied to my first post without a single barb or insult. But apparently now we're back to snarkiness.
http://i.imgur.com/UyLJJ.gif
Brave Ulysses
2012-09-20, 17:45
Darn. We were so close to having a civil discussion. I was actually really excited when you replied to my first post without a single barb or insult. But apparently now we're back to snarkiness.
and you bail out again. typical. (I love you, please come back and debate with me)
and you bail out again. typical.
To be clear: I will only ever bail on one of our discussions when you start using phrases like "your points are absurd," "no shit," "despite that... you are wrong," and "you can't be serious." These are relatively mild for you but I know you will just drag me down to your level and beat me with experience. So I'm bailing now, before it escalates.
You wanna have a debate with me? Then keep it civil. Otherwise I see no point to it. "I think you are a bit off on your assertions" is perfectly reasonable, civil way to state your disagreement. "Your points are absurd" is not.
Brave Ulysses
2012-09-20, 17:55
To be clear: I will only ever bail on one of our discussions when you start using phrases like "your points are absurd," "no shit," "despite that... you are wrong," and "you can't be serious." These are relatively mild for you but I know you will just drag me down to your level and beat me with experience. So I'm bailing now, before it escalates.
You wanna have a debate with me? Then keep it civil. Otherwise I see no point to it.
Sorry man.... your points were a bit absurd.... i don't know what else to say. I agree with you a lot, but to stress how confident you are that turn-by-turn was THE reason Apple set out to create its own map service and fly planes around major cities..... is absurd. :\
No shit... I'll give you that... I apologize... however "You think Apple was paying Google to license the data if Google was getting it from someone else?" is a bit snarky in itself, is it not? hence... tit for tat.
I'm not allowed to tell you you're wrong? Who are you, Mitt Romney/Paul Ryan?
I thought I would at least enjoy the 3D fly-over mode as a novelty, but the nature of the technology renders low angle full zoom views as a kind of semi-melted hell-scape that's not pretty at all. It's like flying over a post-apocalyptic wasteland.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Pretty much my thoughts exactly. 3D view turned a perfectly nice park by my apartment into a dense rainforest. As I tweeted last night, it also melted The Bean (https://twitter.com/nmpeterson/status/248601656063840256):
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A3M145iCUAIBD6D.jpg
On the issue of Google Maps itself though, I am not sure why the underlying assumption here is that it works well from an accuracy point of view. I have had bad experiences with the accuracy of Google Maps, including in some key situations - once in a very key situation. And it was not just a matter of the mistakes being minor inaccuracies. And in one situation I later learned that it was an inaccuracy about which Google had been informed on many occasions but had not bothered to fix. I use Google Maps as a 'nice to have' aid, but I would never rely on it again in a crucial situation.
Maybe the Apple map tool has accuracy issues too. I have not downloaded iOS6 yet so I can't compare. Certainly it does not yet have the same full feature set as Google does. But give it a year or so and it will likely be as good or better than Google's offering on most fronts. Apple does sometimes have its own growing pains - and it has had a few with iOS over the years. But it irons them out. Based on my experience with various Google products, I am frankly less confident about their own commitment to addresssing user issues.
Maybe the Apple map tool has accuracy issues too. I have not downloaded iOS6 yet so I can't compare.
http://theamazingios6maps.tumblr.com
Even in major cities, Apple's maps are sometimes laughably bad.
edit: Didn't see that jdcfsu had posted this on the previous page too, but this warrants posting twice. :)
I'm currently staying at a hotel which Google Maps knows exactly where is while Apple Maps has put it a kilometre to the west. Apple Maps also keeps popping up a little icon with a car at the place, telling me it's an approximate location. So in some cases it seems to know about it's deficiencies.
I've homescreened maps.google.com right next to Apple Maps so I can quickly double check locations. Hardly an ideal solution, but necessary until Apple get their act together.
This is the satellite view of my house on Apple and Google maps respectively:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/530008_10151024440635957_1275144805_n.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2UlBz.png
I'm not sure who wins there :lol:
drewprops
2012-09-21, 07:44
No wonder they're having trouble mapping Adam's house.
He lives in The Shire.
EDIT: should this map conversation be broken out into its own thread?
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Well, I don't feel bad saying the maps were not the best in the betas now :lol:
The mapping definitely needs some work.
I don't think Google would offer different terms to Apple for their data then they do to anyone else. While it would be expensive to continue using GMaps, you don't think it cost them way more up front and continually (employees, benefits, etc) buying mapping companies?
Basically, I don't see a huge need for the new mapping. Turn by turn is nice, but I'm skeptical they had to switch mapping to accomplish it. I remember right before the iOS 6 keynote, Google had a mapping keynote where they said all of those features were coming to iOS. Having said that, I do foresee a Google Maps application on it's way.
Another interesting Maps observation: I have an app for real estate search installed on my iPhone and it used to rely on Google Maps to show where homes of interest are located, but after updating it uses Apple Maps without having received any updates itself. Now it's much faster, but I wonder if I can trust it's accuracy.
Well, I'm moderately pissed about this iOS6 update for my iPhone 4S. I installed it last night while it was connected to my Mac over USB. Since then, any 3G/4G/cellular data is dead. Kaput. I've rebooted several times, toggled airplane mode, ejected the SIM card..... and I just did a factory setting restore, and it's still busted. I never jailbroke or unlocked this phone. It's basically a stock AT&T model.
*sigh*
This is so odd to me. Those of us who have posted on here about issue with the iOS upgrade aren't tech morons and yet we have encountered these issues. I have friends who don't even know how to fully use their iPhones and have upgraded without issue. What's the difference? Is there something we do way different than them?
I know, right? That's what I really don't get. On my old iPhone 3G, I hacked it six ways from sunday with jailbreaks and unsupported software, and when I finally decided to "legit" upgrade it to iOS 4, it was a breeze.
But this thing? An iPhone that's half a year old and barely deviated from the out-of-the-box setup? Nope.
I've spent the last hour manually reinstalling and reconfiguring all of my apps. After another factory reset, I decided to go the "new phone" route instead of restoring from a backup. This time it seems to have worked just fine. *shrug*
Saddly, that was my fix. Clean restore as though straight out of the box. :( What a pain. All my apps still aren't configured...
MBHockey
2012-09-21, 21:58
i...just...can't...take it anymore.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2178780/547454.jpg
torifile
2012-09-21, 22:50
i...just...can't...take it anymore.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2178780/547454.jpg
What do you mean? It's so much better, IMHO. I hated that you couldn't easily tell what was on the device vs. in the cloud (or that it was all one big lump of stuff). Now you can turn off what's in the cloud and go to a separate place to download it. Seems perfectly good to me.
MBHockey
2012-09-22, 06:35
What do you mean? It's so much better, IMHO. I hated that you couldn't easily tell what was on the device vs. in the cloud (or that it was all one big lump of stuff). Now you can turn off what's in the cloud and go to a separate place to download it. Seems perfectly good to me.
Maybe I'm fundamentally misunderstanding how this works then.
In iOS 6 it seems the case that you cannot easily tell what is on the device vs. what is in the cloud as compared to iOS 5.
In iOS 5 if a song was in the cloud but not on your device, the song would show up with a cloud icon next to it. If the song was on your local device, it would have no cloud icon next to it. In iOS 6 there's no cloud icons for individual songs. They exist for albums, but this all or none solution seems silly (ie you cannot pick and choose which songs from an album you would like to keep stored on your local device.) You cannot delete music from your device either with a simple swipe like you could in iOS 5. I really liked the level of control on iOS 5 for iTunes match in terms of deciding exactly what music is on your device at any time.
What do you mean by "you can turn off what's in the cloud and go to a separate place to download it"?
When i first synced most of my music library, then turned on Match (to say "hey, THIS is the music i want on this device") it simply erased all the songs on my iPhone already and became just a big list of everything I had in the cloud with nothing locally stored. Not good for me! I only have 2 GB a month on cellular, which is where i do most of my music listening. Thankfully, the second time i tried it, that worked. But does this mean i have to turn off match, manually manage my music from iTunes, then turn Match back on and hope it doesn't erase my entire library again if i decide i want to remove a few albums?
An afterthought regarding iOS Safari: Why hasn't it received an omnibar like the OS X version? iDevice screens are much smaller so it would make even more sense to have it on iOS.
I thought about that too. Wouldn't mind that.
Just noticed that the ambient light auto-adjust brightness works significantly better in iOS 6. So that's cool.
screensaver400
2012-09-22, 15:03
Thankfully, the second time i tried it, that worked. But does this mean i have to turn off match, manually manage my music from iTunes, then turn Match back on and hope it doesn't erase my entire library again if i decide i want to remove a few albums?
I tried to manually sync music over USB and then turn on iTunes Match twice, and both times the music I had just synced was deleted. You're saying it did work for you, at least once?
Did you turn on iTunes Match in the Music settings, or in iTunes & App Store Settings? I used Music settings both times.
Just noticed that the ambient light auto-adjust brightness works significantly better in iOS 6. So that's cool.
Agreed. It's a much more subtle ramp up/down in brightness, and the lock screen now no longer is stuck at the last brightness level. Having it on in a bright room, locking it, then unlocking it in a dim room was blinding, until it was unlocked, at which point the brightness plunged to too-dim after looking at the bright screen during unlock.
It's the little things.
An afterthought regarding iOS Safari: Why hasn't it received an omnibar like the OS X version? iDevice screens are much smaller so it would make even more sense to have it on iOS.
One disadvantage would be that it could no longer take advantage of the URL-specific keyboard.
Just noticed that the ambient light auto-adjust brightness works significantly better in iOS 6. So that's cool.
I was wondering about that. I turned it off way back, and I'm not sure if I've recently turned it on, but it does seem to be far less bothersome.
On the flip side, I've been noticing that internet connectivity seems to be a little worse in iOS 6. My bedroom is just far enough away from my router that it can be spotty, and that spottiness has only become a little more noticeable since updating.
Incidentally, also been noticing Safari/internet connectivity issues since upgrading to 10.8.2, where sometimes it just feels like the internet simply stops, but if I reload the program everything flies again. Still, definition of a luxury complaint. I have a 50mbps line now, I still remember when a website loading in under a minute was considered faster than you could ever need, so the difference between 'loads instantly' and 'hiccuped a little bit' is somehow more pronounced.
drewprops
2012-09-22, 19:40
An alert just popped up on my phone to let me know that iOS 6 was available. I don't think I've hit the cancel button faster in my life!! :lol:
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An afterthought regarding iOS Safari: Why hasn't it received an omnibar like the OS X version? iDevice screens are much smaller so it would make even more sense to have it on iOS.
One disadvantage would be that it could no longer take advantage of the URL-specific keyboard.
I like that Chrome tries to solve this problem.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/25122677/Pictures/chrome-iphone-keyboard.png
torifile
2012-09-22, 20:01
In this screen shot, you can see the toggle to turn off listing all tracks just stored in the cloud.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/73392/Screenshots/Screen%20Shot%202012-09-22%20at%208.57.02%20PM.png
In this one, you can see that there's only one track on the device. (I haven't downloaded my stuff yet.)
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/73392/Screenshots/Screen%20Shot%202012-09-22%20at%208.57.11%20PM.png
In this one, you can see what the listing looks like when you've got that toggle in the first screenie to "on".
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/73392/Screenshots/Screen%20Shot%202012-09-22%20at%208.57.22%20PM.png
You're right that you can't easily tell what's on the device and what's not in that last screenshot. I don't like that. But I really hated it when the other option was seeing everything with a cloud next to it or not. It was visually disorienting.
torifile
2012-09-22, 20:14
A couple really nice refinements that I haven't seen much of:
when you're in a URL/email address field, you could always tap and hold the . to get a list of typical TLDs (is that the right phrase? My mind's drawing a blank right now). It used to be that .com was at the far end and something like .org was the one that was selected if you let go without sliding. Now, .com is the "default" of a long tap.
The other is Shared photo streams. This is a godsend for people like me and my wife. We are often out at events taking photos with whatever phone is handy. It'll be nice to not say "oh, that was on your phone". Yes, there's the manual selection required to share the photo to the stream but that's easy enough; now it automatically downloads to her iPhoto, too. Very nice.
Hmm, didn't realize that option was there. Shame you can't actually delete them without first turning off iTunes Match completely. It's really clunky especially since you have to go into the general Settings app rather than doing it from the Music app itself.
screensaver400
2012-09-22, 22:32
You could delete all of your music in Settings-General-Usage. But that doesn't help if you just want to get rid of a single album or song.
MBHockey
2012-09-23, 08:46
I tried to manually sync music over USB and then turn on iTunes Match twice, and both times the music I had just synced was deleted. You're saying it did work for you, at least once?
Did you turn on iTunes Match in the Music settings, or in iTunes & App Store Settings? I used Music settings both times.
yes, the second time after turning on Match from the music settings it did not erase the songs already there.
the only thing I did differently was ejecting my iPhone after syncing the music from my Mac, and then I turned on Match. that may just be a coincidence though...
turbulentfurball
2012-09-23, 16:19
Is iOS 6 faster than iOS 5, or am I just imagining it? This is the first time I have upgraded iOS on an iPhone and not had a noticeable decrease in overall performance. If anything, it's making me want an iPhone 5 less than I did before... But I've still not seen one in the flesh (well, glass and aluminium) yet.
pscates2.0
2012-09-23, 16:29
I know Safari feels/responds/loads faster than before. Overall, parts of the phone do feel faster (some of the native apps, etc.).
It's not just your imagination. Safari was significantly faster even in the early betas. It really has made major strides.
My 4S definitely feels Teh Snappier(tm) on iOS6.
Did Apple just force me to use the Podcast app to browse and download new podcasts on my iPad? Moreover, as soon as the installation finished, all the podcasts were moved into the Podcasts app and the longer were available from the Music app...
The Music app no longer has podcasts.
drewprops
2012-09-24, 01:10
HolyCrapHolyCrapHolyCrapHolyCrapHolyCrapHolyCrapHo lyCrap....
Is the Podcast app controllable with voice command?
You cannot currently do that with the older phone/OS so I'm just curious.
Change is hard.
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Moreover, as soon as the installation finished, all the podcasts were moved into the Podcasts app and the longer were available from the Music app...
The Music app no longer has podcasts.
At least on the iPhone, if you delete the Podcasts app, they show back up the Music app again.
At least on the iPhone, if you delete the Podcasts app, they show back up the Music app again.
Yup. I never installed Apple's podcast app on my old phone. Music still has podcasts on my iPhone 5.
I've just found out that the lock screen controls for music are completely dead. 😕
That's odd. I don't have Podcasts installed, and I don't see a Podcasts section in Music any more. I also believe I got a prompt to install Podcasts when updating.
Brave Ulysses
2012-09-24, 09:38
That's odd. I don't have Podcasts installed, and I don't see a Podcasts section in Music any more. I also believe I got a prompt to install Podcasts when updating.
Have you downloaded a podcast?
torifile
2012-09-24, 09:57
I've just found out that the lock screen controls for music are completely dead. 😕
Are you sure? They work for me.
turbulentfurball
2012-09-24, 10:13
I started writing a tweet in notification centre, then locked the screen so I could talk to someone. When I unlocked the screen again the draft tweet was gone. Rather annoying.
Upgraded my 4S to iOS 6, now my car doesn't recognize it any more. This is what I was worried about with the iPhone 5 and the Lightning adapter, but apparently Apple made some changes in iOS 6 that breaks the audio functionality without even needing to upgrade to an iPhone 5. Convenient!
I'm pretty sure Cadillac's programming has something to do with it too, but I'd love to know what was changed, and who is responsible for fixing it. I'm hoping that maybe Apple can fix it in a point upgrade, but I'm not going to hold my breath.
Audio still works, as in it still plays through the car stereo, but there is no more control. Can't change tracks, no artist or song data, etc.
Are you sure? They work for me.
A restart fixed it. I've become so used to iOS being perfectly stable that I almost forgot about that basic remedy.
I'm using an aftermarket radio with my 4S and iOS 6 and it's not changed playability at all. I don't use Pandora or anything like that though so the might have something to do with it. I only use music/podcasts stored on the device. They play just fine with audio controls from the head unit.
Anyone interested in the official Users Guide for iOS 6? iPhone 5 too but the focus is iOS.
Click here for it. (http://itunes.apple.com/us/book/iphone-user-guide-for-ios-6/id563272542?mt=11)
Upgraded my 4S to iOS 6, now my car doesn't recognize it any more.
False alarm. I had to reboot my phone again, and after that it started working normally with the car. Still don't know how the Lightning adapter will affect it, if at all.
For developers, looks like long wait times for app review are increasing. I've heard of the same trend in the iBooks space. Been slow since Jobs was still around though so not a Cook issue.
http://www.macrumors.com/2012/10/08/average-wait-time-for-mac-app-store-app-reviews-rising-significantly/
nikstar101
2012-11-08, 01:48
Right iOS is starting to drive me mad now. It seems that any music, radio or podcast you are listening to immediately stops when you load a page on safari containing a video.
Now if it stopped music when the video played, that sounds entirely sensible but it seems the music stops just because a page has a video embedded in it.
Davidson
2012-11-08, 09:25
Do you think it's worth to upgrade to the 6 at the moment? I've got the new 4s with the 5.1 and never had any stability issues.
what are the best with os 6 comparing to 5? there are so many bugs that people post about it.
Hope this question is to the right place:
if i stay with the 5 is there also any way to upgrade to 5.1.1, yet I couldn't find such an option :( tnx
dmegatool
2012-11-08, 14:08
You can find the 5.1.1 all around the net. Then in iTunes you alt+click on restore, you'll be able to choose your downloaded file. Problem is, once you do this, your computer calls Apple but at this point, it doesn't sign this version anymore.
You would need to use something like tinyumbrella to save your shsh and modify your host file so instead of calling Apple, it does the verifycation on your computer. But then again, as you didn't save your shsh for 5.1.1, I don't think you can get it,..
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