View Full Version : WOW...ThinkSecret on the new displays!
pscates2.0
2004-06-08, 21:21
:eek:
http://www.thinksecret.com/news/newdisplays.html
Just came out, looks like (the article) tonight. BTW, no...I'm not "meticulous gardener".
:)
What do y'all think?
Read that last paragraph, talking about the absence of a 17" and what that might signify for pricing. If I could get a 20" display for under $999, I'm SO there!!!
It's ThinkSecret, guys...I tend to wanna believe this. No ADC either. Is that a step forward or backwards? Depends, I guess.
SonOfSylvanus
2004-06-08, 21:28
BTW, no...I'm not "meticulous gardener".
Heh heh, its lucky I re-read your post. I was about to ask if you were meticulsous gardener.
:p
Paul You are so on the ball with these announcements over here!
I don't know what time it is in you part of the world, but seriously... get some sleep! :D:D:D
Oh yeah - new displays with Al look ('bout time ;) ) ... if the 20" is priced at the 17" then I'd like to say that I'd be all over one too! (finances permitting of course)
pscates2.0
2004-06-08, 21:47
Well, the current 17" is $699...if that 20" gets anywhere CLOSE to that...YEOW! It'll be SO hard to not pounce on that. I might wait 'til fall, but I think I'd have one before year's end, especially if the side work stays steady: it would more than pay for it, PLUS I'd appreciate all that extra room for Photoshop, Illustrator and InDesign!
Quick question: would the 64MB graphics on my PowerBook be sufficient to drive the PowerBook screen AND this 20"? Millions of colors and no noticeable trade-off (I'm not a gamer AT ALL)? Just looking for screen space and room to work, in millions of colors...
pscates2.0
2004-06-08, 21:50
Paul You are so on the ball with these announcements over here!
I don't know what time it is in you part of the world, but seriously... get some sleep! :D:D:D
Well, it's shaping up to be an exciting week so I've been hitting the rumor sites (MacRumors, ThinkSecret and AppleInsider) WAY more than I usually do, because they've all been hoppin' lately!
I just happened to hit them at the exact moment AirPort Express and this new display info hit, so it just LOOKS like I'm on top of things.
:D
Blind luck...and the click of the draw. BTW, I'm in EST...nowhere NEAR bedtime yet..."The Shield" comes on in five minutes!
Quick question: would the 64MB graphics on my PowerBook be sufficient to drive the PowerBook screen AND this 20"? Millions of colors and no noticeable trade-off (I'm not a gamer AT ALL)? Just looking for screen space and room to work, in millions of colors...
Well, I'm 99% sure it's Apple supported, I don't think there would be any tradeoff as far as not working in millions of colors or anything. Only thing would be that Expose may be a little slower since you're having to power the two displays.
And I'd jump on these if they can get it around $899 or lower. If they no longer have the 17" in the lineup, I wonder how low they can get the 20" price point.
DMBand0026
2004-06-08, 23:00
All I have to say is:
2560x1600
<drool>
:wow:
I AM S-T-O-K-E-D for these displays. I wouldn't be surprised to see better contrast ratio and response time specs for the 20 and 23" models, along with lower prices as well. The displays certainly exist for it. The 30" model I'm sure would be around $3000 at least but still, how frigging cool.
I sense large credit card debts in my future. The good thing is my financing rates have gone down a bit on my cc so may as well take advantage of it before the economy plummets.
:grumble: ;)
pscates2.0
2004-06-08, 23:16
:D
All during "The Shield" (during commercials and whatnot) I kept thinking about that 20" paired with my PowerBook. I got my calculator out and was figuring out screen real estate numbers and scenarios...
;)
Holy crap...
:lol:
Don't feel bad, I already got the tape measure out to see if I had 32+" of space from one edge of my desk's monitor area to the other. Yah, yah, I know I can't afford a $3000 monitor (what it's likely to be) but hey, a man can dream. Meantime I am fixated on the possibility of a 23" ACD to finally get this monster CRT off my desk, not to mention give my eyes a break and make widescreen movies that much more enjoyable.
:eek:
http://www.thinksecret.com/news/newdisplays.html
Just came out, looks like (the article) tonight. BTW, no...I'm not "meticulous gardener".
:)
What do y'all think?
Read that last paragraph, talking about the absence of a 17" and what that might signify for pricing. If I could get a 20" display for under $999, I'm SO there!!!
It's ThinkSecret, guys...I tend to wanna believe this. No ADC either. Is that a step forward or backwards? Depends, I guess.
Thank God for no ADC! I really hope that's not just rumors. Good riddance to that brain fart by Apple.
ADC never really caught on like Apple thought it might. I'm sure it will still just be one cord in the back that splits at the end. The thing some people are wondering about that has me a little worried, is whether use of the firewire or USB ports will require using one of each on the back of your machine to do so. I guess the net is +1 port for each, but still....
pscates2.0
2004-06-09, 00:16
Let's see if we can help that ThinkSecret drawing out a little...maybe get a better idea of how it might look in real life:
http://homepage.mac.com/pscates/mockups/newdisplay.jpg
You know what, based on what little we can see in those TS drawings - along with the verbal description - these new displays support reminds me of some of those Eyegonomic (http://www.eyegonomic.com/) displays that look so awesome (and that I've cooed over for almost a year now!)
:eek:
Check out the leg/support/back of that T17 model in particular...
Hmmm...
alcimedes
2004-06-09, 00:30
paul, you have an excellent talent for bringing the inanimate to life.
:)
pscates2.0
2004-06-09, 00:32
Hey, that's what my old girlfriend used to tell me... :lol: :p
Ding dong the witch is dead! Which old witch? The wicked witch! Ding dong the witch is dead hooray!
I am of course referring to ADC.
The new displays look very... generic. That isn't always a bad thing though. Here's a Samsung 172X for comparison.
http://www.beareyes.com/2/lib/200309/29/283/samsung.jpg
pscates2.0
2004-06-09, 01:03
I was in Staples this past weekend and looking at the Microtek and ViewSonic LCDs they had. Most of them fell into one of two camps: a) really boxy and cheap looking or b) like they were trying to out-Apple Apple.
:)
Curves, scallops, differently toned accent pieces, etc.
If you step back and think about it, the G5 - compared to the swoopy, soft curviness of the G4 - looks kinda "generic". But COOL generic!
:D
I'd imagine a new display, set to go with the G5 (and the PowerBooks too!) would have a less curvy, "out there" appearance and would have to mimic the cleaner, straighter lines of the G5. Throw aluminum into the mix (instead of smooth glossy plastic) and that should be a nice, understated display.
If the specs are good, the price is right and the damn bezel is as small as can possibly be - within reason - it'll probably be really nice.
Apple isn't going to sell something cheesy OR that would easily topple over, so I can't wait to see the real product!
if there is really gonna be a 30inch model, I wonder how TV friendly it will be.
I could seriously use it for both a TV and Monitor... and I WOULD BUY IT. I wanna be the first kid on the block with a 30inch monster... ;)
Otherwise... what will happen? I still have to buy a TV (800euros) and a nice 17-20inch TFT (700-1100euro). Total? almost 2000euros. Ok, if a 30inch monster will be 2999eur, thats still a 1000euros more... but... mmmmmmmm....
and NO ADC would be awesome. I could hook tha damn thing up to a PC as well.
Chalk up a 30incher for me Apple!
Well, the current 17" is $699...if that 20" gets anywhere CLOSE to that...YEOW! It'll be SO hard to not pounce on that. Oops, I didn't check the price of the current 17" when I made my post. :embarrass
I doubt the new 20" would be that low. Your 17" @ US$699 sells for Au$1299 down here! :wow: :mad:
However, if the new 20" comes in at US$999 and Apple Australia prices that reasonably (let's say they manage to keep it under Au$1700), then that would be Au$700 less than the current 20" price of Au$2399. Now that would be worth considering very seriously!
Well, it's official: if these monitors are announced in accordance with the rumor, they will be more exciting than today's PowerMac bump (liquid cooled my arse) by a wide margin. I wonder if they'll announce today. Apple clearly likes to mess with our heads, as it used to be Tuesdays when they'd announce new stuff right before trade shows. Now it's Monday and Wednesdays. Maybe more announcements are on the way (M, W, F).
:)
thegelding
2004-06-09, 10:27
paul, you have an excellent talent for bringing the inanimate to life.
:)
which is why he should run a mock up forum here....imho
g
That would be pretty cool....
pscates2.0
2004-06-09, 10:40
Hey, something makes me think: those "leaked manual" pics (and the illustration I did for .com, based on those pics) were nowhere near accurate.
That makes me look at the display illustration at ThinkSecret with a bit of a sideways eye. Kinda like this :err: (only without the purple face).
:confused:
Do you think Apple - knowing these rumor sites and message boards exist and are buzzing with activity actually goes out of their way to leak fake stuff? How do we know "meticulous gardener" isn't some graphic artist at Apple, tapped to do a quick "special project", with Steve and Phil standing over his shoulder going "okay, now make the base REALLY small...we want them to bitch about that too!" and giggling their asses off.
"What these rumor site clowns eat this shit up, Phil! Okay, Chris...thanks for helping us with this. Now get back to work on those iMac G5 owners manual illustrations...".
:lol:
Well, it's official: if these monitors are announced in accordance with the rumor, they will be more exciting than today's PowerMac bump (liquid cooled my arse) by a wide margin.
Agreed. Had these bumps been better, I would have bought a PowerMac. Now it seems my purchasing plan is:
new Apple display in early July ;)
new PowerMac sometime Fall/Winter :mad:
Screed
pscates2.0
2004-06-09, 11:15
Might the displays be liquid-cooled? :lol:
Man, I really thought they'd make an appearance today too. If they exist - and I think they do - why wouldn't they? Why keep people from buying a new G5 AND a display in one shot?
:confused:
Let's see if we can help that ThinkSecret drawing out a little...maybe get a better idea of how it might look in real life:
http://homepage.mac.com/pscates/mockups/newdisplay.jpg
You know what, based on what little we can see in those TS drawings - along with the verbal description - these new displays support reminds me of some of those Eyegonomic (http://www.eyegonomic.com/) displays that look so awesome (and that I've cooed over for almost a year now!)
:eek:
Check out the leg/support/back of that T17 model in particular...
Hmmm...
Man...you are good.
pscates2.0
2004-06-09, 11:43
I was so hoping to see those today too... :(
Hey, you know something? I was poking around the G5 pages and saw this photo (http://www.apple.com/powermac/graphics.html) that made me start thinking. In that photo, a current Cinema display (plastic, acrylic, etc.) is shown. The way it's photographed kinda sparked something...look at the base/legs of the display. Even though they're the standard plastic, clear legs found on the current displays, if you squint, they kinda look like the G5 handles/legs.
All the mockups I've seen where people create a more G5-matching display, the corners are front-facing and rolled back. What that picture makes me imagine is something a) more like the current design with b) aluminum replacing the acrylic base/legs AND being hollow.
It would follow the G5 handle contours, instead of the front facing forward and rolling back. Just imagine taking the G5 handles in that pic and stretching them along the bottom with of the display to get what I'm saying.
Work in a thinner bezel and that would be an attractive display, and work - stability-wise - as the current displays too. Just mostly aesthetic changes here, I'm thinking of.
We'll find out Friday I suspect. Call it my first official .org prediction (but only if I turn out to be correct).
pscates2.0
2004-06-09, 13:21
A quick mockup of my above idea (did this at work, crouched over...shhh...not perfect, but close enough...I'll tweak it this evening, maybe...colors, details, shadows, etc.):
[Edit: okay, it's evening, and I've tweaked it a bit...]
http://homepage.mac.com/pscates/mockups/20display.jpg
And a bonus pic (http://homepage.mac.com/pscates/mockups/displayline.jpg).
:)
Close. I think the legs on the right and left are too wide (aside from the knit-picky stuff). Maybe it's just the width of the "edging" you created that's throwing me off. Overall though I could learn to like something like that. Never was quite sure about the uni-post idea posited by TS, but we'll find out soon enough I think.
pscates2.0
2004-06-09, 21:30
Okay, ...fixed it (http://homepage.mac.com/pscates/mockups/20display.jpg). :)
And the other (http://homepage.mac.com/pscates/mockups/displayline.jpg).
Took the image of the 20" and G5 from here (http://www.apple.com/powermac/graphics.html). Screen size has NOT changed...just put the surrounding area on a diet...
Then got my calculator and figured up the 23" and 30"...
:p
thegelding
2004-06-09, 23:35
very nice job (as usual) mr scates
starting that mock up forum yet?
g
Messiahtosh
2004-06-10, 01:07
Love the mock-ups!
can you actually make a full 30inch mock up (comparing to the 20 and 23)?
I'd really like to "see"
BTW, don't you all think its odd that no monitor announcement was made yesterday with the new G5s?
Does that mean we have to wait until end of Summer or maybe never?
Money.
Those mockups look about perfect in my mind. I'd buy one.
:)
pscates2.0
2004-06-10, 10:00
BTW, don't you all think its odd that no monitor announcement was made yesterday with the new G5s?
Does that mean we have to wait until end of Summer or maybe never?
Yes, it really rubs my tater that an entire year into a totally redesigned G5 there are no new displays. Even IF the current displays matched and went with the G5s (which they don't, not matter what some here may say), Apple seems to have redesigned EVERYTHING else in their lineup over the past couple of years, EXCEPT the displays.
:confused:
New towers, new iMacs, new iPods. We got new iBooks and new PowerBooks. But still have the same glossy plastic/clear accented displays we've had since late 1999!
So yes, just on that reason alone, I find it odd. What is it about the displays that makes them so special and untouchable? It's not as though there isn't room for improvement (large bezel, lack of adjustability, etc.).
The current displays went gorgeously with the G4 (silver glossy plastic, the clear plastic accents, the gentle swoops and curves, etc.). The G5 looks nothing like the G4, therefore the current displays don't go with them.
And for style-conscious idiots such as myself...well, that's just a glaring, unacceptable oversight.
:lol:
But seriously, the one thing I've considered regarding the displays: do you think there's ANY chance that any new iMac might indeed be "headless", and that perhaps they're waiting to unveil it AND accompanying new displays together? Seems like a goofy, long shot...I doubt it. Would a new iMac be aluminum? Would they make two lines of displays: white and aluminum? I just don't know. Probably not.
:(
And one more thing, relating to that ThinkSecret story: they make it sound like the 17" is no longer. Only 20", 23" and 30". If that's true, that kinda points to a new AIO iMac, right? I mean, wouldn't Apple need SOMETHING in the 15" to 17" range to satisfy consumer-level buyers? What soccer mom or granny is going to lay out $1299+ on a 23" display? No one I know...
Can Apple get away with not offering at least a 17" display? If not, then that points, to me, a new AIO iMac and the 20", 23" and 30" displays will be for "pro" G5 and PowerBook users, since all the "i" (and "e") stuff will have their own built-in displays.
Interesting. I wish SOMETHING would happen.
Maybe they have touch-screen technology built into them or something similarly innovative. Perhaps 10.4 will have a revamped Universal Access feature that improves not only site and sound when interfacing with your Mac but the ability to manipulate things by touch? Or perhaps it's along the Cintiq lines where you can use a stylus to move or draw things on screen, not necessarily to replace existing tablets but to augment them.
oldmacfan
2004-06-10, 18:20
I just hope they are competative on price. I would like to see Apple sell lots of displays. My PC could use two flat panels.
But 17" is not dead yet, especially widescreen.
Messiahtosh
2004-06-10, 19:26
Great ideas scates! I like the bit about how this is a long shot but it could pertain to a headless iMac. Makes you wonder...
I would be at least a little surprised if the existing 20 and 23" models didn't come down in price by $250 or $300. Even then there would be hefty margins for Apple I'm sure, as LCD prices have been dropping. If they really want to be price competitive, I think they'll have to get the 20" model under $900 and the 23" model closer to $1500.
alcimedes
2004-06-10, 19:42
so anyone think that those big displays behind the Genius Bar at many apple stores might in fact be a 30" LCD?
i've looked at them before, and that size is about right. maybe they were sampling the 30" size for the stores and the yeilds were higher than expected. who knows, but if someone has access to a photo of an Apple store with the LCD, i'd love to check the dimensions on it.
oldmacfan
2004-06-10, 19:44
I would be at least a little surprised if the existing 20 and 23" models didn't come down in price by $250 or $300. Even then there would be hefty margins for Apple I'm sure, as LCD prices have been dropping. If they really want to be price competitive, I think they'll have to get the 20" model under $900 and the 23" model closer to $1500.
Yes, Prices have to come down. But their still needs to be something for the rest of us.
Logically, if you get $500 off a 23" display right now, the next one is not likely to remain $1999. But Apple has not always done what's logical so we'll just have to wait it out. I'm still suspecting we might get an announcement tomorrow or next Monday maybe. I can't imagine monitors would be the centerpiece of the WWDC unless there's something really tremendously different about them. I guess 30" might qualify for some RDF action, but otherwise not....
As for the rest of us, a wide-screen 17" variant which superior specs to the one that's available now, would be a good candidate for the $499 range.
Something like
17" ACD - $499
20" ACD - $899
23" ACD - $1499
30" ACD - $2499
pscates2.0
2004-06-10, 23:44
If they offered a standalone widescreen 17" at the iMac/PowerBook resolution of 1440x900 and it cost $499, I'd order it the minute it was announced. Especially if it was DVI and could just plug it right in and go.
My most recent freelance project covers it.
I'd order IMMEDIATELY or, better yet, skootch down to Atlanta to pick one up that day and enjoy it right away!
moogs, those are optimistic numbers... I'd add at least 100$ to all of em... and the 30inch they could easily (unfortunatly) ask 2799-2999... *sigh*
COME ON DAMMIT... I NEED A TV AND A MONITOR!!! Gimme a 30incher!!!
They are a bit optimistic, but I don't think they're wildly off the mark. I think the prices will all drop for existing screen sizes, it's just a question of whether Apple will do the typical knock $199 off the more expensive ones, $99 off the cheaper one... or more than that.
23" ACD - $1799
20" ACD - $1099
17" ACD - $599
would be more in line with what they've done hardware discount-wise in the past but who knows. Even at $1799 a more capable 23" ACD would be pretty temping, though it would be a much easier purchase for me if it were closer to the $1499 I mentioned earlier. Spending more than $1500 on a computer monitor is a painful prospect for me.
:smokey:
...[snip]... Spending more than $1500 on a computer monitor is a painful prospect for me.
:smokey:I don't think you're alone with regard to this Moogs ...or should I write it as I read it? ... mogues ;)
In Australia, Apple's currency matching has verged on blatant greed - sheer greed I think sometimes. The prices below are current and after a price drop of sorts, but they are still quite high. :rolleyes:
17" Au$1299
20" Cinema Display Au$2399
23" HD Cinema Display Au$3499!! :eek:
I'd be sorely tempted to spring for a 20" Cinema Display if they manage to squeeze it under Au$2000, but even then it is still a lot of money to shell out for a monitor. As much as I think I can rationalise it, I won't be holding my breath waiting for it to be priced that way. (Edu pricing would be 10% lower)
Well, there is more on these displays according to .com. Pretty much jives with what TS had to say originally. They're saying 30" will be $2999, the 20" will be $999 (which is a pretty damn good) and the 23" will be between $1499 and and $1799 as I recall. I would guess higher rather than lower based on the other two numbers but who knows.
TS has posted yet another verification of the new displays rumor and says that multiple Apple employees have verified it / that they'd bet the farm, etc.
They have also posted a blurb saying the new iMac rumors are all incorrect and that the people in Cupertino are getting a nice laugh out of them. No new iMacs.
Not sure why anybody at Infinite Loop would be laughing about not having new iMacs ready to go, at this point it's critical that they have new, more powerful iMacs. I mean there's almost no point in buying an iMac right now when the eMacs are basically the same thing but cheaper. Is Apple trying to eliminate themselves from the consumer desktop market entirely? eMacs aren't going G5 any time soon, and a desktop Mac with a G4 chip doesn't sell hardware any more; that G5 casts a pretty long shadow.
So if folks at Apple think it's funny that we're expecting a G5 iMac, maybe they're not paying attention to what people are asking for after all.
NosferaDrew
2004-06-25, 01:52
Not sure why anybody at Infinite Loop would be laughing about not having new iMacs ready to go, at this point it's critical that they have new, more powerful iMacs.
They're laughing at the wild speculation (if the story is true) not the specs of the current machine and what the specs should be.
Laughing at wild speculation is great if they actually have G5 iMacs ready to go, even with relatively mild specs. If not, then it makes it seem like they're not really taking it seriously. Without G5 iMacs, they don't have much room to laugh at any speculation, wild or not. It's been 10 months since the last iMac revision and the G5 has been out for over a year. Let's hope the TS info is wrong in this regard.
thegelding
2004-06-25, 08:48
Laughing at wild speculation is great if they actually have G5 iMacs ready to go, even with relatively mild specs.
i agree and hope that TS is either wrong or that they "poorly" worded their article...
if there is no new iMac and if apple is really laughing at us consumers for wanting a new iMac, then i personally fear for apple and its 3% market for the first time..."Ha Ha, look at those silly people, those stupid mac loyalists wanting a new release of this computer...."
that would be very bad on apple's part...i know you can't make everybody happy, but they should be working real hard to please their base at least and they should be working very very hard to update an outdated spec-wise machine
but as i said...i hope TS is wrong or that they worded their article poorly...or both actually would be great
g
I don't think it would at all be the case that they're laughing because they don't care. More like they just get a kick out of baseless rumors and how they propogate with such speed and certainty at times. Doesn't mean they don't wish they did have a new G5 iMac ready, or that they're not working hard on one... just laughing at the ridiculous nature of rumor mills.
Anyway, let's stay on topic regarding the displays if we can. There are other iMac threads. I just mentioned it as an aside....
I'm hoping the 20" display comes down below $900. Hopefully that's not too much to ask, I'd love to be able to get one.
DMBand0026
2004-06-25, 15:29
I'm hoping the 20" display comes down below $900. Hopefully that's not too much to ask, I'd love to be able to get one.
I'm afraid that might be too much to ask...but I hope it does too. I know it won't, but a part inside me, deep down still holds out hope. ;)
thegelding
2004-06-25, 15:33
20 inch lcd from apple below 900 bucks....
hello crack, meet mr pipe
:smokey:
oh yeah, that is some good shit man, pass it to me
g
Well what keeps my hope alive in that regard is that if the 17" model is really going out the window (still not sure on that, seems a little short-sighted... better to just make it a wide-screen and update it with the rest IMO), then the starting price points would be kind of high at $1000 let's say.
If it is going to become the low end screen, I have a hard time envisioning it going for more than about $899. Maybe we can reasonably expect (since the costs have certainly dropped for Apple) a $799 or $849 20" ACD. They'd still get a good margin off that AFAIK.
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