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*You* don't have to mention Saturn, but that doesn't make it any less integral to the late 90s video game console wars. Sega's demise at the hand of Sony is completely relevant to DS vs PSP. I mentioned on the forums.appleinsider that the DS is hedged bet. It doesn't carry the Game Boy name because Nintendo is afraid to link it with a failure. I think Nintendo has a Game Boy handheld ready to intro for a Christmas 2005 release just in case. Quote:
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Platform wars always result from discussions of a new VGS.
Anyway. I've decided to go for the new Paper Mario game and wait for more games to come out on the DS. I agree with the fact that Nintendo has "milked" their consumers; releasing stuff in dribs and drabs. A Pokemon special system here, a slightly different version of another Pokemon game there... confusing different things.... I'm just in it for the Mario games. |
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I couldn't give a rat's arse if the PSX beat the N64 in market share, if some net nerd claims the platform sucked, or if a couple of kiddies can't grow up and GET THE HELL OVER IT.
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Meanwhile....The Nintendo DS will not fail, nor will the PSP. They're both different beasts. One is high end and will cost more while the other is more affordable and will still market a different audience. I think that as long as Nintendo can compete with Sony on the console market, they will have no problem competing on the portable market. There are enough people playing video games that they'll both win in the end. Get over the PS vs. N64 shit and get back on topic assholes. |
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btw, N64 didnt really have better graphics then the PS1. It depends on how you look at it. Cartoon like graphics looked better on the N64 but PS1 graphics looked more realistic because it could display more detailed textures or something. the N64 the textures were always blurry while the ps1 were more detailed.
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Now judging from how you've reacted to my other posts on this subject, I feel like I need to clarify something here before you respond. This is an objective view of the situation. I have no stake in making Nintendo and the N64 look better in hindsight, nor do I have anything against Sony and the PSX. If you'll recall, I did already mention I bought a PSX back then too, and I liked it a lot. But the fact is, Sony was an unknown quantity when the PSX was released. Nobody knew how it would do, and not only did the PSX not measure up to the N64 in terms of stats, but Sony had no reputation in the console market, and Nintendo did. As far as "drastic image compression", that's only for FMV, not in-game graphics. For launch titles, there was Mario 64, Pilotwings 64 and Wave Race 64, all good games. Those were followed shortly with Cruisin' USA, Killer Instinct Gold, Star Wars: Shadow of the Empire, Blast Corps and Turok. Quote:
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And really, if you would just take the time to do some research you would see what I'm talking about. Sony sold 100,000 PSXs over their first weekend - Nintendo sold over 350,000 N64s in the first two days, breaking all video game console launch records. The N64 was NOT more expensive than the PSX, they both cost $199.99. N64 sales, both hardware and software, easily surpassed *total* PSX sales, and this is despite the fact that the PSX had already been on the market for a year. It wasn't until LATER that the PSX came back to significantly outsell the N64. In fact it wasn't until Sept. 1997 that the PSX finally started outselling the N64. And just in case you're confused, these are all numbers from the US - NOT Japan. Maybe you don't remember, possibly because of the hugeness of your love for Nintendo or something, but there was a SHORTAGE of N64s during the first week of their availability. It was actually hard to find them. But then I guess you wouldn't know, because you wouldn't touch the N64 with a ten foot pole, right? Which makes me wonder why you consider yourself any kind of authority on the subject. So do yourself a favor and go to google and look up some FACTS before you respond to this post. Oh, and usurp - The N64 could do antialiasing and the PSX couldn't. Unfortunately some developers overused the antialiasing and their games looked blurry. But all the bigger games didn't have that problem, and all the PSX games looked blocky by comparison. |
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Holy shit dude, it's Saturday. Go outside or something.
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I could say something about how you probably had to be inside on a computer in order to first read my post and then respond to it, but I won't.
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... or that I have 2 kids napping and can't exactly leave them in the house alone.
I'm guessing you have nothing keeping you inside the house except your fear of the sun. BTW, I didn't read your post. I made the mistake of scrolling down instead of paging down too... 30 seconds of my life I won't get back. |
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I remember Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire...it was supposed to be part of this big multi-pronged Star Wars media blitz that included toys, books, comics...I never fully got it, since they never did a movie or an episodic TV show or anything traditionally linked to the Star Wars franchise.
Wasn't Shadows of the Empire supposed to be for the N64 what Halo was supposed to be for the Xbox? The console's "killer app"? I remember that it was really, really hyped, but more than a few people weren't all that impressed by it. "The things that will destroy us are: politics without principle; pleasure without conscience; wealth without work; knowledge without character business without morality; science without humanity; and worship without sacrifice." - Mahatma Gandhi |
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I Love this thread.
I was just reading the nintendo DS review at joystiq http://joystiq.com/entry/1234000870021670/ according to the reviewer, the device is heavy and doesnt fit into any pocket plus the stylus is already putting marks on his screen. the big and heavy part is the suprising thing. i figured the device would be small, but now i am thinking this product is not aimed for young ones. not like the gameboy was atleast. i mean the reviewer talks about how he cant play the DS unless he puts his elbows somewhere. what will a young kid do? Now the fact that its called a Nintendo DS and not a GameBoy DS is interesting. Maybe Nintendo is not 100% confident with the system and thus decided not to use the GameBOy name so that it does not tarnish it. Maybe they are worried the DS will end up like the VirtualBoy. Unpractical and not portable. portable: MacBook 2.4Ghz, 2GB RAM, 250GB HD | personal: PowerMac G5 dual 2.3ghz, 6GB RAM, 6TB HD | work: MacBook Pro 2.5ghz, 2GB RAM, 160GB HD | car: Alpine iDA-W407 with black iPod 80GB | pocket: iPhone 3GS with Ultimate Ears Super.fi 5 Pro's |
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just an update to this thread. the DS WILL fail. I just got the PSP and after playing around with the DS last week, oh my god DS sucks soo bad!
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its better priced yeah, but thats because the technology it uses is very basic. the psp costs more but you ARE getting much more.
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i think the DS is a placeholder to take sales away from the PSP while Nintendo scrambles to get a real competitor out the door.
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I have to say the DS looks both cheap and gimmicky to me. PSP will rightfully kick it's ass all the way back home. Even Nintendo's legendary "gameplay" adavantage is waning now.
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The DS is certainly in trouble if it's line-up doesn't get a lot more games soon. As it is, the PSP had more good games at lauch than the DS has had in its first 4 months on store shelves.
Personally, I'd like to see the GBA get PSP level 3D capabilities without losing its current form factor. The DS is just too hard on the hands after so long. I really hope Nintendo does better with Revolution than it has with the DS so far... otherwise they could end up going the way of Sega. 8==8 Bones 8==8 |
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Personally, I'd like to see wireless networking added to the GBA. The only problem is, while both the DS and the PSP aren't really supposed to be competing with the GBA, their presence might hurt GBA popularity, which is lame because it's such a great system. |
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i love the GBA! I actually got it for 2 games, Metroid and Castlevania. These 2 games should stay as 2D. Nothing could ever beat them. Metroid on the GBA kicks psps and xboxs ass combined. Sadly the Metroid on the DS is in crappy 3D.
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Well that's a debate for another thread, I personally really liked Metroid Prime, as much as I liked Super metroid.
That said, there are some games that do thrive in the 2d environment, additionally, simpler 2d games can be and are just as fun as the most complicated and visually stunning 3d games. This is what matters, I think the GBA did everything right, I really hope it doesn't get thrown around by these high end systems stepping into the arena. On the subject of nintendo releasing a better DS. While I don't really think it will happen, it's definitely possible. The First GBA was an amazing system, but the lack of the backlight pretty much killed it for many people. The GBA SP is everything GBA should have been on it's first announcement. It would be interesting if nintendo released an updated DS that fixed any nagging issues and improved the system all around. I still probably wouldn't care though |
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What's so silly about a portable with Playstation level graphics? I love my GBA but it's had it's run and I'm glad that something new has come along. It is also a fairly significant jump up from the GBA which is something that the home console arena will have to address later this year. I like for any expensive tech investment to be noticeable step up from what I was using previously and the PSP is it. While I agree that the GBASP has the best form factor for portable gaming I rarely leave my house without a backpack or my laptop bag and I would guess for the PSP's target market I'm not alone. I don't think that the PSP's inability to fit easily in the average pocket should be a strike against it. I love the large screen and it fits nicely in my hands for long periods without discomfort. |
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Sure, it'll work fine for some people, but I really don't think there is going to be a particularly big market for this. DS and PSP are too expensive, the games are too expensive, and they are both too fancy imo. That's just soo much money to be dropping on a portable gaming system, I don't think any amount of fun factor could offset that for me, additionally I don't think parents are going to be too thrilled to get these for their kids, so already nintendo and sony are kinda alienating what would otherwise be a huge market. Maybe I'm wrong, if you build it they will come and all that, consumers never fail to spend a lot of money on things they don't need, in which case, I think the PSP will take market dominance over the DS.
Yes I am a hermit I'm not going to school at the moment so it's not like I have that venue to game between studying. Heh, I don't even know why I'm in this debate, I barely even game at all these days, I'm playing Mario 64 on my Nintendo 64 and that's more than enough for me! Regarding 3d graphics on a small system... I haven't played the PSP yet, and I'm sure the big screen makes a difference, but on the DS, I didn't like playing Mario 64, not because it was hard to control or anything, I just didn't like having to navigate through a 3d environment in the palm of my hand, Mario 64 has pretty simplistic textures too, I'd hate to think what it'd be like to play a more complicated and detailed game, even on the big PSP screen. That said, I think portable 3d racing games over a network is an awesome thing that should be exploited. |
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I played a DS at my local game store. Meh, it was alright. The PSP just seems so much better for me. I really hate the DS's controls. And there is absolutely no room to write in on the chat, so you basically HAVE to to the incredibly slow typing feature thing-a-ma-bob. Founder of the Applenova Folding Team |
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I think the PSP is a really good gaming system and Sony will have an excellent future in it. But I do believe that it is trying to be a jack of all trades, however, it becomes a master of none (except gaming). I don't need to play music (I have an Ipod). I don't need to watch SpiderMan 2 on it (I have a laptop). I just wish Sony had made an option to make the PSP a bit more simple. Maybe it would be nice to have some BTO options, you know? I would rather not pay for something I am never going to use...
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One thing we all have to remember is that the NintendoDS isn't necessarily the new Gameboy, even though it can play GBA games. I personally feel like the DS is only an experiment that Nintendo is conducting. I think that we haven't even come close to seeing Nintendo's plans either, as far as hand-held gaming goes. Another hypothesis of mine is that Nintendo has yet to produce a successor to the GameboySP, and that a new GB will come out in the near future. I also favor the PSP, there are so many features that appeal to the general populous... but I'm going to wait and see before I buy. There's no doubt in my mind that there will be significant updates on these two systems soon as well, so I'll tough it out.
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Memory cards with up to 2 gigs of storage could allow for some cool hackery. Entire games could be placed on one of those suckers not to mention the emulation scene that's bound to develop. |
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