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With Leopard being touted as a major upgrade, I'm wondering if it will encounter the same speed issues we had with the original OSX. Each subsequent upgrade improved the speed and stability to where we are today with 10.4.9.
I still remember the good (and not so good) times of OS9. But at least it was fast at resizing windows and opening folders. I suppose I'm just hoping that there isn't too much eye candy with Leopard that will sacrifice speed for looks. |
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Speed improvements on Leopard include a vastly superior OpenGL implementation (which, indirectly at least, affects everything GUI-related), the GUI being in its own thread of Cocoa apps rather than in the main thread, Core Text having a faster and more standardized text rendering implementation and Quartz GL (renamed from Quartz 2D Extreme, which never really made it to 10.4 Tiger).
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So for us humans that means faster GUI right?
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In theory...
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Should we expect to see speed improvements from more of the OS going Intel native?
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Not sayin', just sayin'
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remember Pogue's Law: speed improvements will be offset by the new features (eg, coreanimation)
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Has anyone here have heard from, say, a "friend" who might have access to a dev build, about teh snappiness?
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First let's be specific, what do you define (Satchmo) as "Snappy"? Most things in Tiger are already instantaneous as far as visual feedback to mouse inputs, etc. Things like connecting to a .Mac folder or network share (which tend to be laggy) are a totally separate matter. They have much less to do with the UI than what's underneath it.
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The only thing I want in 10.5 is a more stable Safari. It crashes all the time and I get the spinning ball for 30+ seconds all the time.
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Not any specific site. Just happens randomly. If I leave safari open over night it will take forever to load a page.
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What about if Mail and iChat will hi- oh, never mind.
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Times two. If I don't quit Safari at least once a day, Safari gets very sluggish and the spinning beach ball pops up all too often. Some of it is assuredly the fault of web designers who insist on putting every design bell and whistle on every single web page, but Safari still isn't as stable as one would expect after so many years of existence. (The problem seems to be a huge cache; I've had Safari's cache grow to almost 1 GB. Hopefully the next version of Safari will allow users to limit (or eliminate altogether) the cache size.) |
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MIT Tech Review site eats Safari for breakfast. I have to read and quickly bail out before my PB starts to sweat. I blame some script-kiddie clunkware, but still...
I am awaiting next gen MBPros so I can get multi-core behaviour on my laptop. I miss my MDD Dual 1.42! Lets have a quad-core laptop, folks! |
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Simple solution: quit your apps before putting the computer to sleep overnight. It's only going to take you 5 seconds to click your dock icons or DragThing icons or shortcuts to open them up again...
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What if we don't put or computers to sleep, and we like having things always open?
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Then you're burning energy for no reason whatsoever and deserve the nerf bat treatment. [sergeant Hartman]Put your computer to sleep when you walk away from it, twinkle-toes![/sergeant Hartman]
It doesn't hurt; I promise. I used to shut it down all the time which is the biggest PITA because you have to wait for reboot. But leaving it on all the time when you're not using it, borders on irresponsible. Ecologically, financially, and spiritually. I have seen the widsom of sleep after many years of not sleeping the Mac. JUST DO IT (or Murbot will give Chuck Norris your address... oh wait... Chuck Norris already has your address). ...into the light of a dark black night. |
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If Leopard with all it's new features can be as snappy as we are today, I'd be satisfied. Just don't go backwards in speed...that's all I'm sayin' |
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Heard from who...?
If there's already a completely native version of 10.4 (and prior versions), why -from the very start- would there not be a completely native version of 10.5? Makes no sense at all. ...into the light of a dark black night. |
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First time that I've heard the word "snappy" in a while. Shows you how far OS X has come. My first experience on OS X, Sept. 2001, on my new jellybean iMac (since retired), was of unusable unsnappiness. Things became markedly better with 10.1 which I installed in late fall of that year. (Nice review/history of 10.1 in linked article.) As others have noted, each release since has seemed a little bit better.* I had not heard any rumour that Leopard would buck this trend. I hope not.
* Some third-party software - notably MS Office - operating in the OS X environment, excluded. Despite notable bumps in speed in my computer (I now have a G5 iMac and a Intel Mini), snappiness is still somewhat of an issue with Office. I don't see any reason why it should be an issue - I can't see why MS could not have corrected this, if they wanted. I suppose that is really another issue though. When there's an eel in the lake that's as long as a snake that's a moray. |
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Also, think about it. If I assumed that there was already a fully native version of OS X, why would I ask if 10.5 would be more native? Wouldn't it make more sense to assume that I'm under the impression that 10.4 is not fully native, rather than assuming I know it's fully native but I'm just asking an obviously stupid question? I mean if you're going to ridicule me for not being all-knowing, at least ridicule me for the right thing, not something even more stupid than what I'm asking. |
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Xaqtly, I'm still curious where you did get the impression that the OS hasn't been entirely Intel-native. No version of OS X that shipped on an Intel Mac wasn't. Certain additional apps were (and some third-party ones still are), but the OS itself, including all bundled apps, has been fully Intel-native from day one of Intel iMacs (and later Mac minis, then MacBook Pros, then MacBooks, etc.) shipping.
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Well, that's a valid question (one I hope Apple won't answer - God forbid the developer of Aqua4iTunes having to develop "Aqua4iChat" or "Aqua4Mail")...but I was referring to the burning question of whether or not Mail and iChat will hide on startup in 10.5 (since they obviously didn't fix it for 10.4.9).
I ask for all our sakes, since rasmits is going to go on a murderous rampage if this doesn't get fixed soon. "The things that will destroy us are: politics without principle; pleasure without conscience; wealth without work; knowledge without character business without morality; science without humanity; and worship without sacrifice." - Mahatma Gandhi |
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I am curious about that... |
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