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neiltc13
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2007-06-26, 13:47

It would be incredibly stingy for Apple not to include a wall charger for a mobile phone, especially when they expect you to pay almost $2000 for it.
 
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2007-06-26, 13:48

Dude, shutup.
 
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2007-06-26, 13:50

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It would be incredibly stingy for Apple not to include a wall charger for a mobile phone, especially when they expect you to pay almost $2000 for it.
This guy sounds like someone whose entire trust fund is invested in Nokia stock, and he can't touch it for another 3 years.
 
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2007-06-26, 13:54

Well, without any evidence to suggest that iPhone comes with a charger (and the man in the introduction video saying that it charges over USB without commenting on regular power outlets), what's wrong with providing an analysis of what might be the case if it is supplied without a wall charger?
 
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2007-06-26, 13:59

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Well, without any evidence to suggest that iPhone comes with a charger (and the man in the introduction video saying that it charges over USB without commenting on regular power outlets), what's wrong with providing an analysis of what might be the case if it is supplied without a wall charger?
The Engadget hit-piece thread you so diligently posted in yesterday (you did read the original post, didn't you?) mentioned a power adapter. Sure, it's speculative, but most things are at this point.
 
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2007-06-26, 13:59

I said it would be stingy of Apple not to include a wall charger when people pay close to $2000 for the device after their 24 months of service is up. What's wrong with that?
 
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2007-06-26, 14:02

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Well, without any evidence to suggest that iPhone comes with a charger (and the man in the introduction video saying that it charges over USB without commenting on regular power outlets), what's wrong with providing an analysis of what might be the case if it is supplied without a wall charger?
What's wrong is your constant reference to the iPhone costing $2000. It doesn't. The iPhone combined with service will end up costing $2000 or more over two years, but then again a free phone will cost about $1000 minimum over that same period. And that's without a data plan and an iPod built in. Your point about the $2000 has no merit so let it go.

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2007-06-26, 14:03

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I said it would be stingy of Apple not to include a wall charger when people pay close to $2000 for the device after their 24 months of service is up. What's wrong with that?
Because the $2000 you quote can be quite inaccurate. I'd only have to pay a $20/mo addon fee if I wanted to use the iPhone on my current agreement. $20 * 24 = 480. Add $600 for a top of the line iPhone and that adds up to $1080, just over 1/2 of the $2000 figure you like to bandy about.
 
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2007-06-26, 14:09

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Because the $2000 you quote can be quite inaccurate. I'd only have to pay a $20/mo addon fee if I wanted to use the iPhone on my current agreement. $20 * 24 = 480. Add $600 for a top of the line iPhone and that adds up to $1080, just over 1/2 of the $2000 figure you like to bandy about.
I am sick of this stupid "in my case argument" because:

a) you still have to pay off your current agreement, whether in full or through some cancellation steps
b) It will never apply to the majority of people
 
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2007-06-26, 14:11

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I am sick of this stupid "in my case argument" because:

a) you still have to pay off your current agreement, whether in full or through some cancellation steps
b) It will never apply to the majority of people
Maybe you should read my post again, or maybe you're just here to troll about a bit.
 
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2007-06-26, 14:15

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Maybe you should read my post again, or maybe you're just here to troll about a bit.
"*Current AT&T customers, just add one of these data plans to your existing voice plan.

Minimum new 2-year wireless service plan and activation fee required to activate iPhone features"

So you'll be paying $20 + your current rate for two years. So it's a lot more than $20 per month.
 
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2007-06-26, 14:17

No, not a lot. You're assuming by the new 2 year contract that at the end of our current 2 year contracts, we wouldn't renew. I'll renew come November, which is when I hope to get an iPhone. so it's no difference as far as additional charges per month. You're also conflating a one-time $36 charge as being "a lot", which it isn't.
 
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2007-06-26, 14:17

But BuonRutto... if you round up, $36 is $2000... didn't you know that?
 
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2007-06-26, 14:18

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I am sick of this stupid "in my case argument" because:

a) you still have to pay off your current agreement, whether in full or through some cancellation steps
b) It will never apply to the majority of people
a) Most people will very likely switch to iPhone as their existing agreements expire. (Mine expired in '05, so I'm all set.) Even if they pay a $150 or $175 ETF, that amortizes to about $5 per month over the life of the new contract.

b) Uh, what? Most people with smart phones are already paying these same prices or more for using far inferior products. I'm actually going to save money compared to what I'm paying Verizon right now.
 
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2007-06-26, 14:19

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I said it would be stingy of Apple not to include a wall charger when people pay close to $2000 for the device after their 24 months of service is up. What's wrong with that?
 
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2007-06-26, 14:22

haaaaaaaahahahahahaha
 
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I think Neil needs a new user title to reflect this.

 
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2007-06-26, 14:27

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2007-06-26, 14:33

Neil, stop derailing every iPhone thread with your $2000 argument.

I think all of that discussion should be split off into a separate thread.
 
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2007-06-26, 15:16

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I think Neil needs a new user title to reflect this.

Ya think???
 
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2007-06-26, 15:18

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I think all of that discussion should be split off into a separate thread.
One where you and anyone else who gives a crap about your stupid math can go circle jerk about it.

If this were some new thing to charge people for a service plan when they got a phone you might have a leg to stand on. But it's not, and you don't. Let it go.

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2007-06-26, 15:20

Alright, since you people still don't seem to understand where $2000 comes from, I'll illustrate it:

$499 or $599 for iPhone
$59.99 per month x 24 months you have to contract for = $1439.76
$36 for Activation Fee
==================
MINIMUM that you will pay out for iPhone = $1974.76 + TAX
==================

Okay, it's not quite $2000 but it's $25.24 off, which is so minute compared to the overall cost that it might aswell be $2000.

And yes, iPhone does not support MMS to other mobile phones - you can remove the pictures, presumably it will sync them with iPhoto when you connect it to your computer but iPhone lacks standard MMS functionality.
 
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2007-06-26, 15:22

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Alright, since you people still don't seem to understand where $2000 comes from, I'll illustrate it:

$499 or $599 for iPhone
$59.99 per month x 24 months you have to contract for = $1439.76
$36 for Activation Fee
==================
MINIMUM that you will pay out for iPhone = $1974.76 + TAX
==================
For someone who HAS NO PHONE CURRENTLY, you are right.

For someone who CURRENTLY OWNS A CELL PHONE AND PAYS A MONTHLY PLAN, you forgot AGAIN to subtract the cost of that to arrive at the ACTUAL upgrade cost that you originally claimed the $2k was.

Jesus neil. Really. This is 3rd grade math.
 
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2007-06-26, 15:23

neil-
We understand perfectly. But the point is that you'll have to pay a monthly service plan for any phone. So what? That's just the way things work.

You try make it sound like the iPhone is $2000 more than anything else out there, and it isn't.

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2007-06-26, 15:26

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Alright, since you people still don't seem to understand where $2000 comes from, I'll illustrate it:

$499 or $599 for iPhone
$59.99 per month x 24 months you have to contract for = $1439.76
$36 for Activation Fee
==================
MINIMUM that you will pay out for iPhone = $1974.76 + TAX
==================

Okay, it's not quite $2000 but it's $25.24 off, which is so minute compared to the overall cost that it might aswell be $2000.

And yes, iPhone does not support MMS to other mobile phones - you can remove the pictures, presumably it will sync them with iPhoto when you connect it to your computer but iPhone lacks standard MMS functionality.
Ok, what you seem to be missing. Every fucking smart phone comes with that same plan. Same or higher costs. This is nothing new, you aren't telling anyone anything they don't already know.

My Treo was $50 a month for voice, and $30 a mo. for unlimited data. $80 a month and it had a 2 year contract. It's irrelevant to the discussion of the "cost" of the phone because that cost is there for any smartphone you wanted to buy.

It's not that people don't get it, it's that you don't get it. Everyone already knows. Let it go. No one is being "educated" by your supermath. We already know how to total monthly costs for the service.

Now if you'll excuse me I have to go watch my $2,800 Tivo (Tivo fees plus satellite fees), while I drive my $50,000 car (car and gas and repairs and service) to my $1,000,000 house (interest out 30 years, plus repairs plus improvements) while I type it on my $3,000 Macbook (computer plus accessories plus high-speed internet for two years.)

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2007-06-26, 15:28

No, but you're forgetting that AT&T customers will have to pay their current contract PLUS $20 for iPhone.

People who have a contract but are beyond the minimum term should really know better. Any time I've reached the end of a contract I've been BOMBARDED with offers to upgrade to the latest models and at the very least it's worth taking them if only to sell on eBay and cover the cost of the plan for a while longer, even if it means being locked in.

I don't vision that many people will be at the end of or beyond their minimum terms. Why would you ever be in this situation?
 
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2007-06-26, 15:29

So their actual cost is $20/mon x 24mon + $500-600 = $480 + $500-600 = $980-1080.

That's hardly $2k, neil.

I'm sorry, but your claim still doesn't hold water.

Tell you what, why don't you come up with what you see as your *nightmare worst case scenario* for the maximum amount that someone, who *currently has a cell plan* (*and* isn't a complete moron shooting themselves in the foot), would have moving to the iPhone, and then we'll talk.

Oh, BTW, my contract was up 4 months ago - I have yet to get a single offer from even my current company, much less be BOMBARDED...

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2007-06-26, 15:35

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No, but you're forgetting that AT&T customers will have to pay their current contract PLUS $20 for iPhone.

People who have a contract but are beyond the minimum term should really know better. Any time I've reached the end of a contract I've been BOMBARDED with offers to upgrade to the latest models and at the very least it's worth taking them if only to sell on eBay and cover the cost of the plan for a while longer, even if it means being locked in.

I don't vision that many people will be at the end of or beyond their minimum terms. Why would you ever be in this situation?
just stop while you're ahead dude. i've started a number of posts and retorts to you but i just stop and laugh. just let... it... go...
 
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2007-06-26, 15:36

Any comments regarding the damn phone costing $2,000 should go here. And only here. That is all.
 
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2007-06-26, 15:38

I still retain my point, why would you subtract the current plan if you can cancel it any time you want?

I'm on Orange right now, let's say I pay £30 per month for my service. I see the latest model on Vodafone, but before I can cancel I have to pay off my current contract. My contract runs for 18 months but I've only paid for 10 so far, leaving 8 months still to be paid. That's £8x30 = £240. I must add this figure to the cost of the new phone to gain an accurate idea of how much it will cost me to switch.

You seem to be under the impression that EVERYONE with a current contract can get out, free of any charge whatsoever and make some sort of saving in doing so. I don't know where you get that idea.
 
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