[InactionMan]

It was a fairly ludicrous move to call the cops. I'm really tempted to start a thread (that would quickly be deleted and I banned) that announces Kasper's oh-so-pathetic behaviour. But I know better than that. I'll just wait till I'm back at work next week.

-kidding, not gonna, just wanna.

[Mac+]

Originally Posted by applenut it's an internet message board people take a step back and look at yourselves ...[snip]...

applenut - I can respect your new calmness (and do applaud it) - but I feel that based on some of your past behaviour on the original AI, that above comment is a little "pot calling the kettle black". There is a *link* in another thread that I certainly wouldn't be too proud of.

Having said that, if you are talking only from your "recent form" at AI.org then I unreservedly withdraw that above comment.

[groverat]

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You, like everyone else that maintains this stance, has to understand that we did not choose for this 'revolution' to happen.
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Yeah, you did. That is about as stupid a lie as has ever been told. At least have the balls the take responsibility.

Unless Kasper actually created these forums and possessed brad, et al to hack AI.com and create secret forums then he did not force anyone to do a goddam thing.

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Especially when you don't keep in touch with me, hadn't been involved in what I was working on, and furthermore, never read the bloody thread in question.
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What does it matter?
Kasper is more in control of AI.com than anyone else currently posting and always has been. If you don't get what you want, tough shit. It is not your ball to take and go home.

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I'm also not really sure how Kasper comes off being more mature.
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When Kasper hacks your account and posts as you then he pulls even on the immature scale.

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Again, I reiterate that Brad, alcimedes, and myself had not entirely decided whether we would launch it.
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How noble.

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I'm sorry you have nothing but hate and animosity for what happened, but it's your Kasper over there that chose for it to happen this way, we didn't throw the first stone.
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No hate or animosity, I will just publicly acknowledge plain fact: this "revolution" is nothing more than an incomprehensibly stupid and melodramatic temper tantrum. The purpose of the "revolution" was to gain more "power" for yourselves. Success. You have accomplished a sum total of absolutely nothing for the "community". A slightly different look and that's about it. Revolutionary leaders of a non-existent cause.

And who the hell is "your Kasper"? My Kasper? What the hell does that mean? The "us" v. "them" logic of a child that lumps me in on a "side" with some guy I have never had a conversation of any kind with.

I've been very busy not giving two shits about AI.com or .org for many months and I still don't think about it for a millisecond when my browser is not pointed to either. I have no stake in either side except to read what is available (and I have access to the .com mod forum and have for years) and comment on what is obvious.

Brad, et al would freak out like insane crybabies because Kasper wouldn't let him do whatever he wanted. Well, finally it was time for junior to tip over the cosmetics stand in the middle of Target while grabbing his toy from mommy's purse. Success, the Revlon is all over the floor and you've got your toy. "Kasper is a meanie head" does nothing to diminish the astoundingly childish behavior on the part of the "revolutionaries", I don't care if he kicks puppies, the whole mentality behind plotting a rival site that is an obvious rip-off (so blatant as to use the same name) in a secret forum screams "mommy look at me!" and earns absolutely no respect.

THE COMMUNITY was always the rallying cry at the bitchfest threads, well what the hell has actually improved for the community? Not a goddam thing.

[NosferaDrew]

LOL. Why do you post here?
You've twisted what happened so much in your own mind that you actually believe it.
Very funny in a sad way

[Defiant]

He can post wherever he wants.

I think that he certainly has a point. This sums it up pretty well:

This "revolution" is nothing more than an incomprehensibly stupid and melodramatic temper tantrum. The purpose of the "revolution" was to gain more "power" for yourselves. Success. You have accomplished a sum total of absolutely nothing for the "community". A slightly different look and that's about it. Revolutionary leaders of a non-existent cause.

What is the real benefit of our so called 'freedom'? No ads? No more mighty-overlord ala Kasper? (Which we never saw anyways) More control?

Hell, I'm all for a cool new forum, no doubt. But for all I know, maybe Brad will one day be an overlord too, who knows. Heck, I see LoCash or murbot (especially murbot) in that role too!

Conclusion: The revolution may have its cause in things I look at as trivial. It was a quest for power. Nothing more. However, in the end, it has very real benefits for the community. But the move for the revolucion was not made for the community in the first place.

[Barto]

A revolution is never the best way to accomplish things. The vast majority of active posters didn't get a say in things.

That said, to absolve Kasper of blame is ridiculous. Under him .com turned into an orgy of deletions, locks and bans. All the members who post here out of necessity made it a revolution.

Barto

[crazychester]

Originally Posted by Barto A revolution is never the best way to accomplish things. The vast majority of active posters didn't get a say in things. That said, to absolve Kasper of blame is ridiculous. Under him .com turned into an orgy of deletions, locks and bans. All the members who post here out of necessity made it a revolution. Barto

Oh please stop putting the cart before the horse.

Fact: This little web site that was supposedly a couple of months away from being ready was miraculously able to be up in and running within hours of Brad and LoCash being banned.

Fact: Brad had very conveniently left a backdoor open for himself so he could keep posting after being banned. Not to mention all the other preparations he'd made.

Fact: LoCash claims elsewhere (we'll see if it turns out to be true) that he has does his legal homework.

Then you expect us to all believe that this was never meant to go down this way or to happen so soon. Look, if you all have "I am a mug" (mug=sucker) tattooed on your foreheads, then fine. But don't blame those of us who don't.

Ironically, this sort of thing happens in the dance school biz from time to time. It is regarded as being very poor form. This is how it goes. A teacher within an existing school plots behind the principal's back to set up their own business and take as many of the school's students with them as possible. If any of my teachers tried pulling such a stunt on me and I found out beforehand, I would sack them on the spot.

That most people who supported this in the TRC thread haven't been banned and are still free to post at .com as usual except on this topic, is something of a minor miracle in my books and shows quite a bit of restraint on Kasper's part.

From what has been said, we cannot currently discuss this at .com because a legal challenge may ensue. Well, my first thought on seeing this VERY similar web site was that somebody would be speaking to their lawyers. And that means limitations on freedom of speech. You do know that if you have a car accident and you admit liability to the other party, your policy can be invalidated by your insurance company, don't you? Even if it's your fault.

The real world has met cyberspace here leaving many of you way out of your depth.

But stop this crap of "Kasper forced our hand". Because it's just not true. The TRC thread and fomenting rebellion came first. Then came Kasper's response. That's the way it went down.

And I thought I was the one living in a richly embellished fantasy world.

[pscates2.0]

Wow, the drama continues...

Gee, I guess my post TWO PAGES AGO wasn't all that far-fetched.



You've got people taking the time to register just to tear the "rebels" a new one, you've got the name "Kasper" becoming the new codeword for "evil bastard tyrant", you've got poor chester in all kinds of emotional knots, etc.

Looks to me like LoCash and Brad have things running pretty well here...surprisingly so, considering the hasty and unintended "early launch". And the other site is cruising along at full sail too, from what I can tell. Beyond that, again I ask, who really gives a damn?

If this site ever collapses or implodes, it'll be because it - and/or a significant chunk of its members - never managed to move beyond what happened last week.



And that would just be kinda sad...

[Barto]

My point was not that Brad and LoCash

a) were not planning this
or
b) were not secretly formulating some nasty conspiracy

It was that people didn't like how Kasper responded and came here. Myself included. What happened sucked but what's done is done. If you want you can paint a giant "I AM A MUG" on my forehead, computer, text books - and butt, just to make sure. Just get it over with quickly.

Barto

[crazychester]

Originally Posted by pscates2.0 you've got poor chester in all kinds of emotional knots, etc.

Hey, Barto if you guys want to get it over with quickly you can always just ignore everybody else. We can sit here and grumble between ourselves. I was just inspired to reply to YOUR reply.

But now onto more important matters.....

pscates let me tell you what happened just now. It's around 11 pm here and I posted the reply to Barto and was going to nest for the night, when I saw the new email pop up and that you replied.

First I laughed. Next I thought "Oh this'll be good. Let's see what condescending quips he comes out with this time."

You didn't disappoint.

See, to me that sort of crap must be so patently piss weak to everybody that it's just laughable. And if it isn't patently piss weak to everybody then it's still laughable. For me it's a win-win situation.

And Barto, I'd put in at least one smilie there to ensure you knew there are really no hard feelings but I derive far more secret satisfaction from the possibility that scates might be pissed off by my not using them. I'm sure you'll understand.

[Barto]

Originally Posted by crazychester I'm sure you'll understand.

Understood.

There seems to be a lot of baiting going on here. groverat's post, your reply to my post and my reply to your post.

[DMBand0026]

Of course there is bating going on, because some folks here don't seem to care to make the situation any better than it is by GETTING OVER IT!

Geez people. I know I'll catch crap for this from some, but if you don't like the way things are here, or the way this all happened, get the heck out. I'm sick and tired of hearing you all whine and complain about crap that is beyond everyone but a select few here. So shut up, and if you cant, I know I won't be sad to see you go.

[pscates2.0]

Nice.

I wasn't being a jerk, chester. Or "condescending". You were in knots, weren't you? You poured your heart out on a couple of occasions, in long thoughtful posts, where you were unsure about things here and the whole reason this site came to be. You seemed pretty intense and troubled about it all, so I call that "knots".



If you want to take that as some sort of personal slam or whatever, then sorry. That's something you'll have to do I guess. But most would probably not, since I didn't say anything that wasn't the case or wasn't true, you know?

You don't disappoint either. Jeez...take a pill, won't you? No need to be so high-strung and sporting such a persecution complex. No one here dislikes you, chester. I promise.

[groverat]

It isn't about starting a "rival" forum. It is about the pathetically childish way it was carried out. I read the threads in the mod forums, I know how this came to be. The fits in there are epic.

It is indeed odd that .org was up and running so soon after being "forced" into it. But whatever, it doesn't matter.

The incessant whining to hacking .com shows me this is about those who are now in charge of .org, not the "community" and I will be happy to point as much out.
Do I hate brad, murbot, whoever? Of course not. I don't know what LoCash, murbot, and whoever else had to do with anything. I know brad hacked .com and that is intolerable.

The fact that my commentary on this event would evoke cries of "you hate me!" just shows how emotion-based this whole thing was.

Start all the rival sites you want. Hell I post at orangeinsider and that was a little side project from AI.

The forum looks great, try not to be childish twats in future.

[thegelding]

nice post

poor last sentence

but overall, accurate

i would love it if nobody was spamming .com...just let things fly on there own...but i can't control all the people here nor there...just me (and barely that)...

g


edit: ps....can we close this thread?? i know we aren't a forum that likes to lock or close threads just "willy-nilly", but i think the "who is the mole?" thing has run its course...none of us who don't know who the mole is really cares anymore at this point (or shouldn't care if they do) and i think it is all a moot point by now...if we want to discuss how the "break up" occurred, then we can start a thread about that, but i think that is all moot somewhat also

just my thoughts though

[SKMDC]

Originally Posted by groverat I know brad hacked .com and that is intolerable.

as far as i'm concerned it makes all of brad's "we don't condone piracy"
and morality lectures back at .com a load of crap.
i'm disappointed.

[thegelding]

oh well, i guess we can't lock or close this thread now as it will seem like censorship...sigh...

as for the above post...lots of blame to go around i guess, especially if we are in a blaming mood...

as far as i know, .org has it's own vB, so no piracy there...brad had backups of the forums, but he was not told not to do that and we have not seen those backups here at this time...

brad did hack into the forums as kasper, which is a big no no...but it was only after kasper banned him without warning and brad was just out of sinus surgery...so i chalk it up to a bad friday for all of us and move forward

still post at both sites, still plan to post at both sites...have "friends" at both

g

[Wickers]

Originally Posted by mrmister No hard feelings to anyone who might have them--I felt it was a good idea to really dig for clear answers to things.

No problem...

Glad you are stickin with us.

[SKMDC]

i'm not assessing blame, i'm just saying brad is really no longer able to lay any guilt trips on someone doing something illegal or unethical.
it's something he's just going to have to live with, and hopefully he won't use the "i was still under anesthesia defense" because that will only make it worse.
i just have always found brad very helpful and thought he had a lot of integrity, and now i'm just a little let down.
but i like the new sight and have enjoyed being here in the beginning and hope to watch it grow, whether it be with the old lot, or people we've yet to meet.

[AirSluf]

Can't we all just...get along???
-RK

[SonOfSylvanus]

Great Read (hey - no devil smilie... ha, or a frownie... just when you need them, you know?)

[thegelding]

Originally Posted by superkaratemonkeydeathcar but i like the new sight and have enjoyed being here in the beginning and hope to watch it grow, whether it be with the old lot, or people we've yet to meet.

cool, glad to see you here, skmdc....you were/are always my favorite monkeydeathcar...the karate is a bonus...the super, a given


g

ps...good luck and congrats with the new kid...the blog and photos are great...she is a treasure

[thuh Freak]

Originally Posted by superkaratemonkeydeathcar i'm not assessing blame, i'm just saying brad is really no longer able to lay any guilt trips on someone doing something illegal or unethical. it's something he's just going to have to live with, and hopefully he won't use the "i was still under anesthesia defense" because that will only make it worse. i just have always found brad very helpful and thought he had a lot of integrity, and now i'm just a little let down. but i like the new sight and have enjoyed being here in the beginning and hope to watch it grow, whether it be with the old lot, or people we've yet to meet.

brad's a normal person, just like you, me or that guy over there. who among us hasn't committed capital fraud, or... corporate espionage? i know i've committed "high" crimes and misdemeaners. :smokey:

[NosferaDrew]

Originally Posted by thuh Freak :smokey:

Heh, still no smokey gif.
I approve.
Besides, it looks better written out like that.

[thuh Freak]

Originally Posted by NosferaDrew Heh, still no smokey gif. I approve. Besides, it looks better written out like that.

i like putting it in, cuz it sits in silent protest of his absense.

[crazychester]

Originally Posted by Barto Understood. There seems to be a lot of baiting going on here. groverat's post, your reply to my post and my reply to your post.

Barto I already know you're a thinker. I didn't read groverat's post or your reply or my post as baiting but just as healthy discussion. If your or my or anybody else's posts get a bit spicey but still contain some real content, I'll respect you for it even if I don't agree with you.

DMBand and pscates are baiting but unfortunately this little fishy isn't interested in biting.

However, one of the reasons I've decided not to post in the regular forums here at this point in time is that the membership base is so small that the DMBands and pscates are too difficult to avoid. And I just find them tiresome and a little pathetic.

[pscates2.0]

Oh my gosh. Unbelievable. I'd sure like to know how, exactly, I'm "baiting". Guess you didn't read my previous post, or take any of it to heart.

No matter. Sincere apologies all around, and a round for the house on me.

[Barto]

Anyone for chips and dip?

[thuh Freak]

Originally Posted by Barto Anyone for chips and dip?

i got the beer.

[Mac+]

Originally Posted by crazychester Barto I already know you're a thinker. I didn't read groverat's post or your reply or my post as baiting but just as healthy discussion. If your or my or anybody else's posts get a bit spicey but still contain some real content, I'll respect you for it even if I don't agree with you. DMBand and pscates are baiting but unfortunately this little fishy isn't interested in biting. However, one of the reasons I've decided not to post in the regular forums here at this point in time is that the membership base is so small that the DMBands and pscates are too difficult to avoid. And I just find them tiresome and a little pathetic.

cc - I wanted post this earlier, but was busy and now pscates has chimed in already... but, I really must say, I don't think he was trying to bait you. I read his post as a genuine description of how he guessed you felt. Admittedly, he is "over this topic" (and he's entitled to feel that way), but I don't think he was out to make you feel hated or an outsider or anything like that.

Admittedly, this line of his was not the nicest:

Originally Posted by pscates You don't disappoint either. Jeez...take a pill, won't you? No need to be so high-strung and sporting such a persecution complex. No one here dislikes you, chester. I promise.

... but I think that was a retaliatory comment (heat of the moment exchange perhaps - for both he and you?)

I really do enjoy your posts crazy because, as I have stated before, they are well thought out and honest/heartfelt. I'm happy that you are here - perhaps you're even posting at both sites - and I would not like to see this topic become a thread for personal attacks (not saying that it is you) ... this applies to all who are reading this post! Similarly, it would be disappointing if this became the thread where internet acquaintance/friendships(?) are damaged beyond repair just because of a few misinterpreted exchanges.

Peace to all! <- That's a genuine happy smilie; not meant to be taken as sarcasm.