[ast3r3x]

I've been looking into it for a while reading, and I'm have heard coke is real great. I have read a lot about it, and think I'd be able to handle it, but I was hoping to get some personal experience. I know some people will be completely against it, and that is understandable, but I'm not really interested in hearing that, because you don't know personally, unless you have a family member who has a problem or something. I'd appreciate anything anyone can tell me, and if you are too modest to post, please PM me. Thanks!

(If this is inappropriate, please delete it, I just know we have a diverse group here, so it would be good to ask)

[pscates2.0]

Ah, never mind...what do I know.

Have at it...

[LoCash]

I don't think discussing drugs is inappropriate at all. I think it's good you're asking questions about it, because being better informed allows you to be safer about it all.

Now about Cocaine...

Some people react differently to cocaine, obviously. Some people that do it immediately fall in love with the effect and want more, and more. Its effects don't last terribly long, but it varies based on quality. It's also pricey. Some stuff goes up your nose rougher than others depending on quality. You could shoot it up too, but I wouldn't recommend it unless you have someone experienced with points and actually do it responsibly.

A great resource for all your drugs questions is Erowid. Try their Cocaine and Crack Vault.

It's fun, it'll make you feel good, give you a warm feeling, numbness, and energy. Everybody reacts differently to every substance though. Personally, Cocaine isn't something I'm interested in doing a lot. First, it didn't do much for me in terms of loving the high (I'm more into downers anyway), and second it's expensive and it doesn't last long. I'll do Cocaine every few months or if it's at a party, but it's not something I feel like seeking out.

Also, don't do crack. Ever. Don't do a drug named after your own ass.

[LoCash]

Originally Posted by pscates2.0 Ah, never mind...what do I know. Have at it...

Well, scates made a good point. I mean, if you abuse anything it'll fuck you up, your life up, and hurt a lot of people around you. A lot of the people that are advocates of not doing something knows someone who fucked up their life, or they did themselves. You've got to watch it and be a little disciplined about it. Cocaine is an addictive substance, and you'll get hooked on those quicker than you think.

Just read up about it. Spend some time reading at Erowid about other people's experiences and be safe and smart about it. Become a coke head and I'll personally kick your ass though

[thegelding]

ehh, never liked coke...but then i am insanely hyper as is...

for me it just made my face feel numb, like being at the dentist...and who wants that

now hash, that is another subject

course i'm old now and college is so very very far away


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[pscates2.0]

Originally Posted by LoCash Just read up about it. Spend some time reading at Erowid about other people's experiences and be safe and smart about it. Become a coke head and I'll personally kick your ass though

Where's that line, though? If coke is so "different for different people", then how would one ever know they've gone too far...until it was to such a point that things were bad?

That's my whole thing on it. Nobody sets out to abuse anything, become an addict and a fidgety, impossible-to-talk-to asshole, neglect the other 97% of their life...but many do.

Just one of those things I don't see the reward of the risk.

I realize there are plenty of people who do it, control it, touch it a couple of times a year, etc. Good for them. But I think it's a total dice roll, and most people are too fucking stupid or lazy to NOT think ahead, around the back side of a situation or decision, and truly only "live for the moment", which sounds good on paper, or saying it on "Road Rules", but it doesn't always mesh with real life. Real life sometimes has spouses, babies, jobs, bills, etc. involved. Funny how that works.



I've just never known a case where good came from it. Someone always lost an amazing girlfriend (or wife). Someone always got in trouble with their friends and family. Someone always started hanging around people that probably weren't good for them to hang around. Money, finances, job all took a hit. It always led to shittier and shittier situations. And they weren't the people I knew - and liked - anymore.

Just some twitch I couldn't make sense of anymore and had to let go, for my own good and peace of mind.

YMMV...

[HOM]

Why don't you ask the experts?

[NosferaDrew]

I never tried anything (except alcohol) before I went to college.
Once there, I tried everything. And I do mean everything. I think I'm better off having experienced these drugs and understanding how they affected me.

I found that I don't enjoy stimulants. Cocaine/Crack just did not agree with me at all. Made me feel too artificial.
On the other hand, I really enjoy pot. It very much agrees with me.
I haven't smoked in about seven months and I do miss it.

I say go for it. Try it out. Just be safe, be with good, trustworthy friends and know when to stop.

[LoCash]

I dunno, scates. Plenty of people use cocaine infrequently and don't have any problems with family, friends, and their bank account whatsoever. I disagree with it being a dice roll -- at least not for everyone. Ask yourself if you have an addictive personality. I mean, the people that turn into coke heads usually have some warning signs before trying cocaine and continuing to do it. I think crystal is a much bigger problem than coke, personally.

Trying coke once isn't going to turn you into an addict. Doing it two days in a row isn't going to turn you into a coke head either. The first time I did Cocaine I did it about four nights in a row, and I did a lot. I walked away from the drug for a while though, and it wasn't that hard. Your mileage may vary, but a weekend coke bender isn't going to turn you into a junkie.

All of my friends have no problem keeping their drug use under control, and I think it is largely due to the fact that we all have a good support system, we're knowledgeable about what we're doing, and we know our own bodies and minds. Be smart about it

[billybobsky]

NB: I have never done hardcore drugs, softcore drugs, or anything above or below (except for the occasional wiff of habish is the dorms in college and the various (and often unknown) chemicals I discuss below).

I haven't done drugs and will never do drugs for a number of reasons: the risk to my mental health be it fractional, mythical, or otherwise is something i cannot fathom and indeed am well versed in (see below); i hardly have the ability to live my life as is -- i am the absent minded prof type who will forget to pay bills and brush teeth unless some external imperative acts, and this lack of control of my life in my sober state is something that would be far worse (i believe and sense) if i were to do drugs and were to become addicted; and finally, drugs merely take you to a place your brain is already wired to go, if you can sense and feel it high, you can sense and feel it sober -- this isn't really that deep, its merely biology -- drugs are the easy way out.

I am a chemist. I have the knowledge base necessary to make any and all recreational drugs if i had the desire to, but i do not. That said, I work with some of the more classic addictive substances out there including ether, which while I admit provides a buzz (not a very large one), is associated with both a quick and sometimes painful withdraw in addition to confusion, inability to speak, loss of muscle control etc. These things I have learned to deal with if i ever am exposed to ether or other organic solvents in the lab -- mostly though I try to avoid them because after all I am working in a lab where a few mistakes are easily compounded (though mind you this is true of where ever you do the things you do). I have also been exposed to the unknowns: there was a freezer where we stored all sorts of synthetic compounds that had this unusually pleasant smell that provided an instant and indeed long lasting high. Again, too much confusion and boom goes the lab, so I stopped breathing around the fridge when I had to deal with it. I have been drunk off my rocker out of spite for my ex-girlfriend (don't do drugs out of spite, even alcohol -- i stupidly fell asleep on my back after that incident and if it wasn't for her i most certainly would have died). I have even gained a resistance to some of the organic solvents that I deal with so much so that i barely smell them or even sense them when other people are holding their noses at me. At the same time I have dealt with psycho active compounds (or things related to them) that leave me feeling terrible -- there are synthesis I have performed that I am loathed to do now simply because the compounds cause me no end in suffering with just a wiff.

I guess the moral of the story is as follows: while I do not condone the use of drugs (nor condemn it), I think several ground rules should be established:
Know what you are getting into.
Know how to get out (really know).
If you are going to use drugs that will affect your mental state do it in a place and with people you know and trust; do it only in a manner that the sober you know will bring no harm to others or even the possibility of harm to others.
Always have someone who you know will remain sober/straight and that you trust with this type of information know where you are doing the drug and who you are doing it with (this is especially true with the heavier stuff).

[billybobsky]

Originally Posted by LoCash I dunno, scates. Plenty of people use cocaine infrequently and don't have any problems with family, friends, and their bank account whatsoever. I disagree with it being a dice roll -- at least not for everyone. Ask yourself if you have an addictive personality. I mean, the people that turn into coke heads usually have some warning signs before trying cocaine and continuing to do it. I think crystal is a much bigger problem than coke, personally. Trying coke once isn't going to turn you into an addict. Doing it two days in a row isn't going to turn you into a coke head either. The first time I did Cocaine I did it about four nights in a row, and I did a lot. I walked away from the drug for a while though, and it wasn't that hard. Your mileage may vary, but a weekend coke bender isn't going to turn you into a junkie. All of my friends have no problem keeping their drug use under control, and I think it is largely due to the fact that we all have a good support system, we're knowledgeable about what we're doing, and we know our own bodies and minds. Be smart about it

It isn't personality locash. It is simply biology. It is a dice role simply because you don't know unless you tried, to some of us that is a risk that is simply not worth it. I think you also should be willing to admit when you are addicted to something be it alcohol, masturbation or crack. It takes admitting that to control the addiction or if failing that, protecting others from the effects of that addiction be they deadly, superficial or scary. The only person I would think should believe the try it attitude is someone who is self-reflective enough to have seen addictions that are already present in their life. Most of us, however, only joke when we say we are addicted to chocolate.

[alcimedes]

i'd disagree. among everyone i know who used drugs a lot, the only ones who had problems were ones who were unhappy going into drug use.

if you're not happy with your life, and you're looking for an escape, drugs can provide that temporarily. of course, it goes away, and then you need more drugs to make it come back.

however, the folks who were happy going into things, were willing to give up drugs when they needed to, and that was that.

[InactionMan]

My experience with Coke was miserable. It rendered me completely incoherent. My face hurt from smiling too much and for three days after my heart wouldn't stop pounding and I sweated like a pig. That's just me though, you might love it.

[naren]

It's not all that great, and it's one of the few drugs I've done which I actually found physically addictive, which was not an experience I found especially pleasant. Ironically, last week I was cleaning out my desk and found a package of coke which I had forgotten about, go's to show you what I think of the stuff now. I trashed it.

[murbot]

Originally Posted by InactionMan My experience with Coke was miserable. It rendered me completely incoherent. My face hurt from smiling too much and for three days after my heart wouldn't stop pounding and I sweated like a pig. That's just me though, you might love it.

Christ, that was me watching the Flames during the playoffs!

*off to write new NHL slogans*

Of course, that was also me after having sex with my girlfriend for the first time in her car.

Damn, a lot of things are like cocaine.

[ast3r3x]

Thanks everyone...I was reading about it at Erowid and was a little freaked out by some of the testimonials, but felt like I wouldn't reflect the many of the addictive ones.

I have never had an addictive personality with pot or alcohol, I mean, I will drink on the weekends or smoke if someone asks me to, but I never feel the need, and could have fun doing other things. I'd be perfectly happy sitting at my computer, or just hanging out then going out and drinking. Out of all of my friends, I feel the need to drink less then almost all of them.

It's because I've never felt compelled to do stuff like that often that I can't imagine coke controlling someone. I mean, I was thinking about trying in the near future, but read bad things about getting off of it (they stick out more then the benign stories) and wanted to see what some of you had to say. I can't imagine not being able to stop something, I mean maybe something like heroin (won't try), but with coke...you're off it, you might not feel good, you'll be down a bit, you'll come back in a while as your body recoups.

I guess I just feel like I have strong will power for stuff like this, but was thrown back by something like this: (excerpt from testimonial at erowid)

You spend half your life trying to prove that you're unique and immune from normal human fallibility, then before you know it you're in some room far away from home with a bunch of strangers snorting lines off some filthy toilet seat that you've 'cleaned' with a flimsy piece of tissue paper. It's times like this I find myself staring at my reflection in a mirror thinking, “who the fuck are you?” and realising that I'm actually just like everybody else and I'm a sucker.

Of course on the old forum, I was the most hated member, so maybe you're all just f'n with me

The bad (?) thing is that it's not cool for most of my friend to do coke. They don't have a problem with pot or alcohol, but coke is one of the "bad" drugs. If I try it and like it, I'd like for some of my friends to do it with me, but I kinda would feel like scum trying to get them too, I mean if they can't handle it, I don't want that to be on me Or even some of them would be pissed because I have tried it.

[pscates2.0]

Originally Posted by LoCash I dunno, scates. Plenty of people use cocaine infrequently and don't have any problems with family, friends, and their bank account whatsoever.

...and I think I made that clear in my post. I said "some people can use it and blah, blah, blah...fine, no problems". But that HASN'T been the case in the buddies I know, in my personal life. That's also why I said YMMV, realizing not everyone is going to have the same experience and dislike for it all. Cocaine might affect one's ability to read and comprehend...

Originally Posted by LoCash I disagree with it being a dice roll -- at least not for everyone.

Then what the hell are you disagreeing for? When you disagree, then qualify it with a "at least..." tag, you end up saying it anyway. That's what a "dice roll" is, by its very nature, right? A random thing, that you don't know the outcome of until it happens. At least that's how I think of it, and use it here. It IS a dice roll...for everyone. Some do totally fine, others don't. I don't think everyone is 100% sure, going in. And, as I said, no one sets out to get addicted, but many do.

What's that old Richard Pryor line..."Man, I've doing coke for 20 years...I ain't hooked!"

Originally Posted by LoCash Ask yourself if you have an addictive personality. I mean, the people that turn into coke heads usually have some warning signs before trying cocaine and continuing to do it. I think crystal is a much bigger problem than coke, personally.

Honestly, I might. I think all that stuff has the ultimate potential to be rotten. I'm not gonna sit and rate them, viewing some as better and some as "don't EVER do that". I'd just rather not.

It's cool your buddies can control it and not get sucked in. A trait to be admired, I guess. Maybe my buddies were just weak, miserable ticking time bombs who didn't know themselves or their bodies.

[Mac+]

Originally Posted by billybobsky drugs merely take you to a place your brain is already wired to go, if you can sense and feel it high, you can sense and feel it sober -- this isn't really that deep, its merely biology -- drugs are the easy way out.

This is a great quote bb - but are you saying that it is possible to train yourself to feel stoned, drunk and high? I sort of understand tapping into endorphines to feel high - but stoned or drunk - that I don't get. How could you tap into those feelings whilst sober?

I had a post about dope - but I don't think it right to railroad this thread.
ast3r3x - I don't have any words of wisdom to offer you... ultimately, you're going to have to arrive at your own conclusion. Best of luck.

[ast3r3x]

I know coke can be taken orally as well as injected an snorted. I was wondering, if you mix it into a drink, would you be able to get the effect from drinking it? I mean I understand you'd have to probably swish it around in your mouth for a little with each sip, so it doesn't go strait into your stomach. But would that work or would it be a complete waste?

[murbot]

Do we really want to be giving advice on how to take your friggin' cocaine here?

Save yourself the trouble and buy a 6 pack, man. Really. Why take a chance on fucking yourself up.

[Quagmire]

I agree with murbot here. Do you want holes in your nose? At least beer can't screw yourself up as much as coke can. Even though you can die from withdrawl by alcohol. I do not believe this should be discussed here. If it was about peer pressure and you wanted to find a way to relieve the pressure and talk about what it can do to you. But, talking about doing it by your free will, I do not support.

[ast3r3x]

While I don't mind beer, I don't like it enough to want to get drunk off of it. I'll drink a couple in an evening interspersedly with shots or mixed drinks though. I don't see the big difference between alcohol and coke as long as coke is done in moderation and safely.

Any drug is bad for you, I seem to remember reading an article about how even a beer or two a day spread out over years, has the same effect as an alcoholic who drinks a lot everyday. I'll try and find the article. Not saying this to defend myself, just as a side fact...I understand beer is much more benign then coke.

If peer pressure is a problem for you, you have bigger problems. If you aren't sure enough of yourself to give in for acceptance, then there is a problem you need to sort out.

I don't want to use it because I'm sad or need to fill a void or need it to feel happy. I want to use it because I think it will be fun and feel good, just like pot or alcohol. Recreationally, not dependently (I'm confident I can control myself)

Anything inappropriate can and will be moderated. I read the posting guidelines pretty thoroughly before posting, and don't think I'm in violation of any of them. I'm sorry if I am, I am just trying to get some opinion of those with experience before I make a decision. You wouldn't buy a car without researching first would you?

[mannequin23]

if when you drink you tend to get violent, do yourself and your friends a favor and do not experiement with cocaine. a lot of people get violent under the influence. also under no circumstaces drive. i cannot stress that enough. you will be thirsty, and can easily drink a fraction of your body weight, so alcohol poisoning is always a threat as well. and one more thing, make sure the people you hang out around you can trust, b/c there is a really good chance, you will end up ranting on and on about things you wanted to take to your grave. so if you do decide, be very, very careful about your environment.

oh and if it is brown colored, that's not coke, it has been cut with herion- steer clear.


good luck with your decision. but like it was recommended, erowid.org is the best source by far.

[ast3r3x]

I wonder what people's responses would have been if it were another drug.

This thread has also got a decent number of views for less then a day. I felt iffy about posting it, and I'm still questioning that decision...the little that people think of me may have gone...I'm so sad, maybe I'll do some coke! Just playing...ok not funny? I'm serious though, I didn't know if I should have posted or not, and hope a negative opinion isn't though of me for this.

[alcimedes]

nobody here knows who the hell you are anyway, not in real life, so who cares?

what better way to ask a question that might get mixed responses than a relatively anonymous message board?

i know people who've done coke and been fine, i know some who've done coke and fallen to pieces. it's your life.

[Moogs]

AFAICT, everyone's forgetting the most important question you have to ask yourself, ast3r3x... why do you feel compelled to try it? Bored? Tired? Depressed? Seriously... Murbot has the right attitude. What is it about your situation right now that motivates you to think about more than just a few beers with friends?

No one fancies themselves on a narcotic substance like that unless some other area of their life is lacking, generally. It's very rare that people try drugs purely out of "physiological curiosity", or just to be able to say they tried it, and thus "understand it" (or whatever philosophical point they're trying to make). Many people will claim that is their reasoning behind their usage, but the truth is that's not the reason in most cases.

If that's you ("Mr. Biochemical Curiosity"), and you have no problems with other types of addictions (any type including seemingly innocuous types, like say food or sleep), then have at it and let us know how it goes. If you think maybe there are other things going on that might motivate you to try this... *don't fucking do it*.

That's all I hafta say about thayat.

PS - if you go ahead with it, you better be DAMN sure you get it from a reliable supplier that won't put any junk in your junk. Would be a shame to experiment with coke only to find out the hard way that you snorted something else up your brain stem.

[thuh Freak]

that was an interesting idea, ast3r3x. even more interesting that you'd post it late at night, while i was... helping old ladies cross the street...

but seriously, cocaine can be a lot of fun. but you have to keep in mind that it is addictive. pot is debatedly addictive. many people will claim a social or psychological addiction over pot. and alcohol addiction is a terrible but undermentioned plaque across the nation. coke is physically addictive. it is more addictive than pot and alcohol. there are physical withdrawl symptoms you will go through after doing enough. it's also stronger than pot and alcohol, as in there is a deadly amount. you could smoke pot till the cows come home, and just fall asleep. but with coke, you can od. i've had some really terrible experiences with coke, and some rather fun ones. i make sure only to tame that beast months or more apart. and then, like all the rest of a night that i do have it (once its all spent) and the next few days i'm dying for some more, but my friends (who at times can be good people) keep me off it. it's not something you really want to go in alone. because that means you'll probably end up doing lines with your dealer (b/c who fuckin does coke by themselves?). and while i'm sure he could be a great guy, its not exactly the life-path you want to lead (ie, shirking your friends to do hard drugs with a dealer). this is definitely not a thing to go into lightly. don't do it on a whim, and make sure you've thought through it. another thing you should keep in mind, is if you ever get out of hand, you personally, probably won't be able to realize that until you've gone too far. the easiest way to avoid addiction is to never try an addictive substance.

but when/if you ever do give it a shot, make sure to gum some of it (ie, apply a small amount onto your gums). its a cool effect. cocaine was the first local, and general anasthetic (i'm pretty sure; one of them atleast). its like a live biology experiment, that doesn't involve cutting up frogs.

oh, and as for mixing it with a drink, that was one of the ways it was used back before its regulation. coca-cola was a cola drink mixed with the coca plant (duh, everyone knows that ). i'm inclined to think that the acids and reactions of the stomach would significantly hamper the experience though. and i don't know what kind of numbing effects it might have on really important internal organs. smoked and snorted is all i've ever done with her, plus the gumming; and those methods each have their benefits.

[Powerdoc]

I haven't any personal experience with cocaine, and I think that I am limited to Murbot's six pack.

However, I watched a very interesting TV emission about drug addictions. An expert about cocaine studied with PET scan, how the brain reacted ot cocaine.
The expert said that most people are not especially sensitive to cocaine, and that occasional takes will not lead them to addicition. Others will become fully addictive, and this addiction is immediate.
At the contrary of Low Cash, I don't know, if you can guess who will become addict to this drug.

[iBrowse]

I love and hate cocaine. Personally, I'd like to give the advice of not trying it. But, it is possible to not have it turn into a big problem, but then again, me and a few of my good friends did our time with it, spending ridiculous amounts of money every week. I got out of that, I still do it occasionally, but I make a point to not go looking for it. It's your decision. If you do it, and do it again, start writing down how much money has been spent on it, at the end of the week look at those numbers, that can be what shows how bad it can get.

[Moogs]

Hint, hint.