[oldmacfan]

Well, you can buy an AMD Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 ATX motherboard with 4 SATA II ports and 1 PCI-E 16x slot and a host of other features for under $75.00 online. My point is these technologies are available at reasonable prices.

[BlackDog]

Originally Posted by birdie so an intel powermac next month would be out of the question?

Well, as we're speculating here, Intel have brought forward production of their new 64bit dual core Xeon MP, code-named Paxville, from next year to Q4 2005.

This server/ workstation chip, would be perfect for the new PowerMac.

http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews...15_160051.html

[Baron Munchausen]

...but their FSBs suck, by the look of it.

[BlackDog]

Originally Posted by Baron Munchausen ...but their FSBs suck, by the look of it.

True, but each 'Paxville' core has a dedicated FSB....

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/03..._xeon_truland/

[Jay]

Looks like the two low end models are starting to see their ship times increase. It's only 1 day now but it was same day. Also I don't think we will see Intel in PowerMacs anytime soon. At least I hope not.

[iCarus]

Originally Posted by Banana PCI-E is already included in some of PM.

No it isn't.

[del-uks]

20% off refurb in France on PowerMac 1.8GHz, Dual 2.3 and Xserve, until october the 3rd...



So... no keynote, but new PowerMac soon?

[scratt]

Originally Posted by Jay I would think that most of those new technologies would be included on new motherboards which would only happen if the processors require a redesign, I doubt Apple would redesign the board just to drop in the same style processor. Does anyone know if the 970MP is pin compatible with the 970FX?

My question exactly...

Will I be able to upgrade my Dual G5 with a couple of dual core units?

It would make sense, but I have no idea if that is possible or not...

At the moment AMD are the only chip manufacturer I know of offering single core pin compatible dual core processors.. Intel is not even doing that yet...

[Eugene]

Originally Posted by scratt At the moment AMD are the only chip manufacturer I know of offering single core pin compatible dual core processors.. Intel is not even doing that yet...

Eh...sort of.

The dual-core Intel Pentium Ds use the exact same packaging as regular P4s, but their previous generation of chipsets lack support for them. Like you said, any socket 939 motherboard should support Athlon 64 X2s though many will likely require an updated BIOs.

Coincidentally, I'm currently installing XP x64 Edition on my upgraded PC which uses none other than the Athlon 64 X2 3800+.

As for Power Mac G5s, my assumption is that the hardware will not support the dual-core CPUs. Currently each G5 riser card uses its own LIF slot. Since Apple is not in charge of IBM CPU design, I doubt they could control whether their current hardware was futureproof.

[yasashiku]

970MP uses 90nm process but different pin contact than 970FX:

970fx: https://www-03.ibm.com/chips/photoli...asive/1062.jpg
970mp: https://www-03.ibm.com/chips/photoli...vasive/951.jpg

October product ship dates should be expected on Fishkill production ramp.

$200 rebate on 2.7ghz G5's at Amazon until 9/27:
http://g-images.amazon.com/images/G/...0012900741.pdf

$150 rebate on 2.7ghz G5's at MacMall until 10/9:
http://image1.cc-inc.com/RAPcoupons/5157MacMall.pdf

[oldmacfan]

Something has been bothering me, if Apple is going to use the new 970 MP parts, and they do only clock to 2.5, and even if they run cooler than dual 970 FX parts, what is the real advantage of the expected updates? Unless they put two 970 MP's in one machine this is almost a step backwards.

Now they could add PCI-e (x16 for video), SATA II 3 Gbps with NCQ support, and Hypertransport 2 but will people really see these other features as a great enough boost for a machine with only one 970MP? I am not convinced.

Certainly I believe that if they don't add new features they are going to have a tough sell on their hands even if they put two MP's in one machine. Maybe they will give us Quads but at this point I see that as somewhat of a let down without other advancemnets.

I am in the market for a new Mac since my PB ti 400 met an untimely death and I am looking to get a G5 PowerMac to last me 5-7 years. I want todays features and not last years. In two years I want to be able to buy a new video card that wasn't designed 3 years prior.

[holbox]

Here's the latest scoop!

I've been told, on good authority, that Apple will upgrade the current Dual G5 Power Mac to a Dual G8. Bypassing the G6 & G7 altogether.

This new unit will ONLY be sold in the Arctic where it will double as 3 bedroom home heater.

Now you know the latest .........

[phd]

Originally Posted by holbox Here's the latest scoop! I've been told, on good authority, that Apple will upgrade the current Dual G5 Power Mac to a Dual G8. Bypassing the G6 & G7 altogether. This new unit will ONLY be sold in the Arctic where it will double as 3 bedroom home heater. Now you know the latest .........

Damn! I have a six bedroom Igloo... Will I need to buy two

[atomicbartbeans]

Originally Posted by phd Damn! I have a six bedroom Igloo... Will I need to buy two

No, you will get to buy two.

Welcome to AppleNova! Judging by your sense of humor, you'll fit in just fine here.

[Banana]

Atomic, must it be "must be two". Any less than a must is frowned on.

[Jay]

Originally Posted by oldmacfan Something has been bothering me, if Apple is going to use the new 970 MP parts, and they do only clock to 2.5, and even if they run cooler than dual 970 FX parts, what is the real advantage of the expected updates? Unless they put two 970 MP's in one machine this is almost a step backwards. Now they could add PCI-e (x16 for video), SATA II 3 Gbps with NCQ support, and Hypertransport 2 but will people really see these other features as a great enough boost for a machine with only one 970MP? I am not convinced. Certainly I believe that if they don't add new features they are going to have a tough sell on their hands even if they put two MP's in one machine. Maybe they will give us Quads but at this point I see that as somewhat of a let down without other advancemnets. I am in the market for a new Mac since my PB ti 400 met an untimely death and I am looking to get a G5 PowerMac to last me 5-7 years. I want todays features and not last years. In two years I want to be able to buy a new video card that wasn't designed 3 years prior.

I'm betting that dual dual is the most likely solution at least for the top end, you might see a dual dual 2.5 at the top, then a dual 2.7 and dual 2.3 with the dual 2.0 rounding out the bottom. I'm thinking since everything can slide down one place it would be possible for the dual dual to take the top and the current 2.0 to take the old 1.8 single price point. I think the dual 2.3 and 2.0 will be around because they have yet to experience any shipping delays. As for the other PCI-e and other add-ons I'm mixed about whether we get them or not. But I am expecting dual dual for at least one model. We shall see Tuesday.

[Eugene]

I think they'll revert to single chip, dual-core for lower base prices. Apple should be trying to stay price competitive in the desktop arena. I just bought a dual-core Athlon 64 X2 3800+ (2 GHz) for $360. I'm not confident about power consumption of dual dual-core 970MPs.

[phd]

... what to do. I want to spend my cash on a new tower 2.7 +23inch screen

Although I want the drool drool.. er ah duel duel. I'm not sure if I can make it past Monday morning.... I need help.... jonesing for a new tower.

Wait or buy? ,,,,,,,,,,


Suggestions?

[Brad]

"Duel?"



No. Dual!



</nitpick>

[Roboman]

It bothers me too, Brad.

[ShadowOfGed]

Originally Posted by phd I need help.... jonesing for a new tower.

You're not the only one! Jonesing, that is. Actually, I probably need help too.

Originally Posted by Brad No. Dual!

Wow, I don't think I've laughed that hard at a nitpick in quite some time!

I've been waiting for one of these fabled quad-core PowerMacs since, say, before WWDC. I was crapping my pants for days while Intel speculation ran amok before WWDC, and then the Stevenote dropped the bomb. At least the RDF made it hurt a little less. Though, in the end, it looks like it will be a good thing. I'm personally interested in a last-run PPC PowerMac, but count me in for the Intel-based PowerBooks!

Anyway, since now the Paris Expo has passed, I'd like to believe it will happen tommorow, the 27th, but I think this little guy is influencing my opinion: :smokey:

But since I'm not really smoking anything, I'd imagine that the general consensus of the first or second Tuesday in October is much more accurate. If you look at all the rebate offers and other promos that end around those dates, it seems more practical. The real piece of information that makes it believeable is the fact that 10.4.3 is projected to be released "mid-October," according to various sources. I bet that 10.4.3 coincides with the release of the new PowerMacs. Maybe it will house DDR2 and PCI-e, which might not be supported in 10.4.2, thus being part of the delays in 10.4.3? It would be extremely nice, but I'm trying not to get my hopes up.

New PowerMacs by October 11. You heard it here fir... actually, you've probably read it a gazillion times elsewhere.

Alright, I'm done speculating. Talk is cheap... now only if PowerMacs were...

[oldmacfan]

Next Tuesday

[Roboman]

Oldmacfan...as in, tomorrow, with the Mac mini (and hopefully Powerbook), or a week later?

I don't think Apple would update a line just a week after updating another line. It doesn't give the first update enough time in the "spotlight." It seems they'd just announce two updates one Tuesday (see: Mac mini and iBook) over that. I mean, the updates would only be a week apart...if Apple could just make one set of press releases, why would they bother with two?

[oldmacfan]

Next week Tuesday

[Roboman]

Originally Posted by oldmacfan Next week Tuesday

Now you say so.

[oldmacfan]

Originally Posted by Roboman Now you say so.

To me, if it is Monday and I say next Tuesday I am not talking about this Tuesday.

[Roboman]

Originally Posted by oldmacfan To me, if it is Monday and I say next Tuesday I am not talking about this Tuesday.

I know, I was just giving you a hard time. It does strike me as odd, though...Apple updating one product a week after updating another. Of course, we didn't see new Mac minis today, so it's all moot anyway.

[oldmacfan]

Just my luck they will show up tomorrow...LOL

[ShadowOfGed]

Originally Posted by oldmacfan Just my luck they will show up tomorrow...LOL

Hey, not hearing any complaints from my department! Though it'd be yet another strange break in the trend of Tuesday releases... only time will tell.

[McClendon]

I've been on the market for a new powermac for a while...waiting...for this update. Is there any possibility that everyone is wrong and there won't be any update at all?

PC user at the end of a very long rope.