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torifile
2009-08-09, 20:46
I've posted this over at Ars but I thought I'd throw it up here, too. I'm looking to build a hackintosh that can game. Any ideas? I'd like to keep cost below $1000 if possible. Ideally, I'd be able to replace my iMac which gets primary duty for media serving and photo editing in the house. I want to be able to play modern FPS's at as close to max res as possible. TIA.

ThunderPoit
2009-08-09, 21:02
its a little hit&miss on finding a vid card that will work smoothly on a hackintosh, and even then, any drivers you find won't necessarily be optimized for it. that said, look at wiki.osx86project.org, they have some nice up to date lists of compatible hardware.

Banana
2009-08-09, 21:12
Why not just get a PC? You already have iMac so I would think you get less of a gain and much more hassle in building a Hackintosh than a gaming PC...

turtle
2009-08-09, 21:17
Here are a few systems that you can build up:
Here (http://www.hackint0sh.org/forum/f133/64334.htm#post385331) some combos for new users, you can feel free to change everything you want, but the mobo...

You can check the HCL for better video, audio, wireless and everything you need add in the system.

http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

The processor doesnt matter, so you can always change it too ;P

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3, GA-P35C-DS3R, GA-X48-DS4, Asus P5Q Deluxe
Processor: Core 2 Quad Q9550
Video: nVidia 8800GT 512 mb
Memory: 4GB RAM DDR2
Hard Drive: 500GB 7200 rpm + 300 GB 10000 rpm
Power Supply 750/1000w
DVDRW Serial ATA

Mother Board:Intel DG31PR
Processor:Intel® Xeon® CPU X3220 @ 2.40GHz
Bus frequency:1.06 GHz
Memory: 4GB RAM DDR2
Video:Nvidia 8800GT 512 Mb
Hard Drive: WD 500 GB 7200rpm + 500 GB 7200rpm
Power Supply 1000w
DVDRW Serial ATA

And super cheap one

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-G31M-ESL2
Processor: Core 2 Duo E2200
Video: Nvidia 7300 GS, 8600 GT
Memory: 2GB RAM DDR2
Hard Drive: 1x300GB 7200 rpm
Power Supply 350/450w
DVDRW Serial ATA

New one

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD5 or MSI x58 Platinum or ASUS P6T Deluxe
Processor: Intel Core i7 920
Video: 9800 GTX
Hard Drive: 500GB 7200 rpm + 500 GB 7200 rpm
Memory: 6GB RAM DDR3
Power Supply 750/1000w
DVDRW Serial ATA

Hope it help :D

torifile
2009-08-09, 21:17
Why not just get a PC? You already have iMac so I would think you get less of a gain and much more hassle in building a Hackintosh than a gaming PC...
I'm working on reducing the number of "things" I've got, so having a machine able to do double duty would be ideal. And I just don't have the space for another computer in my office. And part of it is the challenge. :)

torifile
2009-08-09, 21:25
So it seems like the keys to getting a hackintosh working in theory is to have a motherboard, processor and video card compatible? Would that Asus motherboard + the Core 2 Quad + a Radeon 4870 vid card work?

turtle
2009-08-09, 22:30
Looking over the specs I've seen you should be fine. iatkos v7 10.5.7 is pretty much set to handle with ease most of the configurations I listed above. Seems the Gigabyte is favored in the hackintosh community though.

ThunderPoit
2009-08-09, 22:35
Looking over the specs I've seen you should be fine. iatkos v7 10.5.7 is pretty much set to handle with ease most of the configurations I listed above. Seems the Gigabyte is favored in the hackintosh community though.

ewww, tainted install disks!
Vanilla 10.5 installs ftw! ;)

torifile
2009-08-09, 22:47
ewww, tainted install disks!
Vanilla 10.5 installs ftw! ;)
Would that P5Q mobo work with a vanilla install? Sorry for the elementary questions but it's a lot to digest!

torifile
2009-08-10, 09:35
Freakin' A talk about good timing. MS is doing their cashback thing (via bing.com this time) and zipzoomfly is getting 20% back. With the stuff I was looking at getting, I'm going to be getting $160 in cashback.

How's this list look:


ASUS P5Q Pro Turbo Intel P45 Core 2 Quad/Core 2 Extreme/Core 2 Duo/Dual-Core Celeron Socket 775 1600 MHz PC2-9600 (DDR2-1200) ATX Motherboard Retail $126.99
INTEL BX80569Q9550 Core 2 Quad Q9550 2.83 GHz 1333 MHz Socket 775 2 x 6MB Desktop Processor Retail $219.99
Antec Nine Hundred Ultimate Gaming Mid Tower Case Retail $107.95
CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX TX 750W Power Supply Retail $109.59
OCZ OCZ3M13334GK 4GB PC3-10666 (DDR3-1333) DDR3-SODIMM Memory Retail $59.90
GIGABYTE GV-R487D5-1GD Radeon HD 4870 1GB GDDR5 PCI Express x16 (2.0v) Video Card Retail $169.99
SAMSUNG SH-S223L 22X SATA DVD Burner Black Drive Bulk $36.99

All that gets 20% cashback. What do you think?

Luca
2009-08-10, 11:51
That looks like a great setup except you are buying DDR3 for use with a DDR2 motherboard. Get DDR2 instead. It doesn't have to be DDR2-1333 to match the processor (in fact, DDR2-1333 doesn't even exist). Just get DDR2-800 or maybe 1066 if you really want, but it doesn't matter that much. Slightly higher RAM speed doesn't help much, if at all.

torifile
2009-08-10, 12:41
That looks like a great setup except you are buying DDR3 for use with a DDR2 motherboard. Get DDR2 instead. It doesn't have to be DDR2-1333 to match the processor (in fact, DDR2-1333 doesn't even exist). Just get DDR2-800 or maybe 1066 if you really want, but it doesn't matter that much. Slightly higher RAM speed doesn't help much, if at all.
Thanks for the feedback, Luca. I just placed the order but didn't change the RAM to DDR2. Is that a problem? Of all the things out there, I find RAM to be among the most confusing. :lol: It ended up being $10 more expensive but I already had it in my cart and I just hit "order". Oh well. If it doesn't negatively affect performance, I'm just going to leave it as is.

My total price after the 20% bing cashback will be $670 less $55 $70 in rebates so it'll be $615 $600 all told. I've got an HD already, a 1TB SATA Western Digital Black (or Green, I can't remember). That should work, right? I've got Leopard retail and Windows 7. So I'm all set to go. All I need now is a monitor. I'm totally geeking out!

edit: missed a rebate. So it's $600 shipped for that set up. I hope I can get it working! I've never built a computer before so it'll be interesting.

Luca
2009-08-10, 13:59
Thanks for the feedback, Luca. I just placed the order but didn't change the RAM to DDR2. Is that a problem?

Yes. DDR3 will not work in that motherboard. When I was saying that RAM speed isn't that important, I meant DDR2-800 vs. 1066 or other speeds isn't important, but DDR2 and DDR3 are two different things and are not cross-compatible. Any given motherboard will only be able to use one or the other.

torifile
2009-08-10, 15:07
Yes. DDR3 will not work in that motherboard. When I was saying that RAM speed isn't that important, I meant DDR2-800 vs. 1066 or other speeds isn't important, but DDR2 and DDR3 are two different things and are not cross-compatible. Any given motherboard will only be able to use one or the other.
Crap. Zipzoomfly just jacked up all their prices after my post so I'll have to return it later. I'll order some DDR2 now. :grumble: I told you RAM is confusing!

Dorian Gray
2009-08-10, 15:58
Torifile, you may not always buy the right thing, but I am constantly in awe of your purchasing skills. Have you ever paid list price for something in your life? You're like the American Dream distilled into a skinny bearded cheapskate. :lol:

torifile
2009-08-10, 16:47
Torifile, you may not always buy the right thing, but I am constantly in awe of your purchasing skills. Have you ever paid list price for something in your life? You're like the American Dream distilled into a skinny bearded cheapskate. :lol:
MSRP? NEVER! (Except on Apple gear. :lol: ) I'm Egyptian. Bargain hunting is in my blood. :D

Partial
2009-08-10, 19:40
Wait for Core i7. Then, get a cheap one and overclock it. Always get the cheap stuff and overclock it. Do some googling for the mobos that have the best Hackintosh support.

Check slickdeals.net then to buy the components. You can build a very solid system for 600 max. Probably 500.

Luca
2009-08-10, 20:19
Wait for Core i7. Then, get a cheap one and overclock it. Always get the cheap stuff and overclock it. Do some googling for the mobos that have the best Hackintosh support.

Check slickdeals.net then to buy the components. You can build a very solid system for 600 max. Probably 500.

Uh, why would he need to "wait" for Core i7? i7 has been out for many months now, and it's actually hitting a price point where it costs about the same as a Core 2 Quad. The only major advantage of the Core 2 is that it's easier to hack OS X onto it.

However, as cool as i7 is, it doesn't really give you that big of an advantage for gaming. Its main strength is hyperthreading on all four cores, giving you the ability to run 8 threads at once. Now, a lot of games are single- or dual-threaded, and it has taken a lot of convincing to get gamers to even move up to quads from duals (just as it took at long time to convince them that dual-core was worth it over a faster single core). i7 is amazing for encoding or just about any other CPU-intensive task, but gaming isn't actually that CPU-intensive. It relies much more heavily on the GPU.

Really, if you wanted to squeeze the maximum level of gaming performance per dollar, you could go for the E8400 (3.0 GHz dual core) and get as powerful a graphics card as possible (either a Radeon 4890, GTX 275, or Radeon 4850X2 2GB) with the money you save. But a quad will be a little more balanced and will probably serve you better long-term.

Also, Partial, didn't you notice the part where he's getting cashback deals on his gear? I think tori found some pretty good deals once you factor that in. ZipZoomFly is pretty competitive anyway.

Partial
2009-08-10, 20:23
I didn't read the posts, but from what I'm reading the bing cashback stuff on SD isn't as good as advertised. If it were me, I'd follow my advice :) Though I didn't know the Core i7's were out yet. However, I'd wait for a cheap one. OS X will run like a champion on one.

torifile
2009-08-10, 20:24
As I said, I got all that for $600 shipped. ZZF jacked up all their prices after I bought:


10010533 ASUS P5Q Pro Turbo Intel P45 Core 2 Quad/Core 2 Extreme/Core 2 Duo/Dual-Core Celeron Socket 775 1600 MHz PC2-9600 (DDR2-1200) ATX Motherboard Retail $126.99 ($139.99) 10% increase
10007855 INTEL BX80569Q9550 Core 2 Quad Q9550 2.83 GHz 1333 MHz Socket 775 2 x 6MB Desktop Processor Retail $219.99 ($245.99) 12% increase
140146 Antec Nine Hundred Ultimate Gaming Mid Tower Case Retail $107.95 ($107.95) 0%
10007112 CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX TX 750W Power Supply Retail $109.59 ($ 115.99) 5% increase
10008950 OCZ OCZ3M13334GK 4GB PC3-10666 (DDR3-1333) DDR3-SODIMM Memory Retail $59.90 ($59.90) 0%
10010380 GIGABYTE GV-R487D5-1GD Radeon HD 4870 1GB GDDR5 PCI Express x16 (2.0v) Video Card Retail $169.99($182.99) 13.5% increase
10010714 SAMSUNG SH-S223L 22X SATA DVD Burner Black Drive Bulk $36.99 ($38.99) 5% increase

New prices are in bold. Old prices were from my order this morning at 10:20 EDT. Ridiculous. Bad form, ZipZoomFly. Bad form. I managed to get in before the jacked up prices and I got my 20% cashback email already so I'm fine but I'm probably never going to shop there again.

torifile
2009-08-10, 20:24
I didn't read the posts, but from what I'm reading the bing cashback stuff on SD isn't as good as advertised.
Some of it isn't but I already got my email from bing with my cashback amounts and all of them (they do it on a per item basis) are 20% back.

Luca
2009-08-10, 21:06
NewEgg still has the Q9550 for $220 w/ free shipping, for the moment: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115041

I've seen NewEgg jack up their prices before. I've even seen them charge more for a slower processor than for a faster one in the same series. Their official explanation has always been that they have an automated price-updating system that occasionally glitches out or gives unexpected results. Whatever.

Either way, you already ordered your stuff, and 20% cashback sounds like a great deal.

Partial: Regarding the i7, here's the deal. The only i7 CPU that has ever been reasonably priced, the i7 920, is $280. That in itself is high but it's not too bad for the bleeding edge. The real high expense comes in when you buy a motherboard. Whereas a solid Core 2 motherboard will only set you back by $120-$150, a good Core i7 motherboard is $200+. Also, when the i7 first came out late last year, DDR3 was really expensive, and it was triple-channel so you had to buy three modules at a time instead of two. Nowadays it costs basically the same as DDR2, but the motherboards are still expensive.

The end result is that an i7 system will cost a good $100-$200 more than a Core 2 Quad, and while that may be worth it for many uses, for gaming it's not. And maybe tori just wanted to save a bit of dough.

turtle
2009-08-11, 00:00
This is where I'm glad I got the i7 then. Most of my work is encoding video and audio. Then next up is photo handling. Sounds like I have the best of all worlds with my coming i7 system!

How to hack it so I can run Mac OS X on it. :)

tori, let us know how yours works out.

torifile
2009-08-11, 03:25
Anyone ever hear of the the EFI-X (http://www.efi-x.com/)? Macintouch did a pretty lengthy review (http://www.macintouch.com/reviews/efix/) of it and they seemed to really like it. According to their compatibility chart, it doesn't work with many mobos but it does work with the processor I bought. I'm a little weary of trying it out for a couple of reasons but if it does make things as easy as it claims to, WOW.

bassplayinMacFiend
2009-08-11, 07:12
Anyone ever hear of the the EFI-X (http://www.efi-x.com/)? Macintouch did a pretty lengthy review (http://www.macintouch.com/reviews/efix/) of it and they seemed to really like it. According to their compatibility chart, it doesn't work with many mobos but it does work with the processor I bought. I'm a little weary of trying it out for a couple of reasons but if it does make things as easy as it claims to, WOW.

I'd wait and see if it works with Snow Leopard before buying one myself.

Luca
2009-08-11, 09:14
Anyone ever hear of the the EFI-X (http://www.efi-x.com/)? Macintouch did a pretty lengthy review (http://www.macintouch.com/reviews/efix/) of it and they seemed to really like it. According to their compatibility chart, it doesn't work with many mobos but it does work with the processor I bought. I'm a little weary of trying it out for a couple of reasons but if it does make things as easy as it claims to, WOW.

I'd wait and see if it works with Snow Leopard before buying one myself.

Yeah, my brother and I were considering building a PC for our mom using an EFI-X to help. We're hoping it would streamline things enough so that she'd be able to use it just like a regular Mac and she wouldn't need to have us drive out there just to apply system updates. Adds a little to the cost but it seems like it's worth it in our situation. We're also waiting a bit (have to sell a few old computer parts to help fund the purchase, and we also want to make sure EFI-X is Snow Leopard compatible).

Unfortunately, it seems really hard to get a sense of how easy or difficult it is to set up and maintain a Hackintosh. Some people here say it's a headache and a half. Others claim it's extremely easy. I think the only way to find out is to do it. The good thing is you won't risk bricking your hardware just from attempting to install OSx86, so you may as well try. If you really can't figure it out, then maybe it's time to RMA the motherboard and get an EFI-X compatible one instead.

torifile
2009-08-13, 13:33
Zipzoomfly sucks. :grumble: I placed my order on Monday and it took them til today to tell me that they were out of stock on my motherboard. :grumble: I canceled the order and decided that dealing with them and having to wait for them to ship cross-country just wasn't worth it so I went to back to newegg.

I also made a few alterations to my original order to make it more Hackintosh friendly. I got the Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS4P mobo because it seems to work pretty well for a Hackintosh. I also changed my case from the Antec to a Lian Li which seems less flashy and had a removable mobo tray making it easier to use. I'll let you all know how it goes!

torifile
2009-08-18, 01:30
I got my stuff today and after a couple of frustrating hours with beeps and video not working, I used my head and realized my PSU has 2 PCIe power connections I could use rather than the clearly defective ones that came with the card. In the process, my nicely organized cables are a mess but I'll fix that later.

Windows 7 64 bit is starting installation now. I'll make sure the computer works properly before trying to hackintosh it.

torifile
2009-08-18, 14:47
The Windows side of things works perfectly. This computer is screaming fast! I'm working on getting OS X installed. I'm able to boot to the installation disc but I get stuck at the very beginning with an SPOD. Trying a new Boot132 disc to see if that helps.

Edit: success! I'm at the language selection screen.

torifile
2009-08-18, 21:03
If anyone cares, I've got OS X running! I'm updating to 10.5.8 right now. This computer is fast even with the ATI card not supported yet. I'm working on that. If the computer runs Aperture, I'm going to seriously consider getting rid of my iMac for this computer.

Partial
2009-08-18, 23:20
use OSx86 tools to generate an EFI string.

torifile
2009-08-19, 09:36
use OSx86 tools to generate an EFI string.
10.5.8 worked but then I screwed up the installation trying to get my vid card to work. I'm reinstalling now (well, it should be done installing but I'm at work) and I'll try again tonight. Of all the steps I've had to do, the vid card has been the most unexpectedly challenging.

Partial
2009-08-20, 16:36
10.5.8 worked but then I screwed up the installation trying to get my vid card to work. I'm reinstalling now (well, it should be done installing but I'm at work) and I'll try again tonight. Of all the steps I've had to do, the vid card has been the most unexpectedly challenging.

Let me know if you need some help. I've never had a system update wipe out my graphics. Are you using iAtkos 5i?

torifile
2009-08-21, 04:36
Let me know if you need some help. I've never had a system update wipe out my graphics. Are you using iAtkos 5i?

I'm using a vanilla install. It's one reason I picked my board.

After all of this, I'm nearly 100% certain that the video card is not compatible. It's just not going to work. I'm going to swap it out for one that I know has worked like an XFX or Sapphire. I may upgrade to the xfx 4890 as a reward for all the work I've put into getting this board working. :lol:

Partial
2009-08-21, 09:00
I'm using a vanilla install. It's one reason I picked my board.

After all of this, I'm nearly 100% certain that the video card is not compatible. It's just not going to work. I'm going to swap it out for one that I know has worked like an XFX or Sapphire. I may upgrade to the xfx 4890 as a reward for all the work I've put into getting this board working. :lol:

Don't know if iAtkos uses a vanilla install, but I have upgraded the OS 3 times now and have never had any issues at all because it keeps its hacked files outside of the system directory that gets updated during an os upgrade. You might want to check it out. It's pretty wonderful.

torifile
2009-08-21, 21:01
VICTORY!

http://homepage.mac.com/torifile/.Pictures/4890.png

OMFG. OMMFG. Done. :)

Note to anyone and everyone trying a hackintosh - the Gigabyte 4870 does not work! Don't try it. I'm running a Diamond Radeon HD 4890 XOC. More than I wanted to spend on the card by about $100 but it's what my Compusa had (cheaper than their 4870!) and I was needing to know if it would work. It does. And I'm happy.

turtle
2009-08-21, 22:48
Man, now I'm waiting for my SSD to get here from NewEgg before I can make this happen. I'll let you know how it works out once I get it running though. Hopefully I won't have the same issues with the graphics that you've had.

Partial
2009-08-21, 23:36
Hackintoshes are great. I'm glad this is getting some pub. This is truly the supreme option for desktop computers to compliment the beautiful Apple laptops.

torifile
2009-08-21, 23:47
I just realized that QE is not enabled. I'll tackle that one tomorrow.

I started out with a target price of around $600-700 and I've way overshot that. I'm at about $900 not including the monitor. :(

I've also got quite a bit more computer than I thought I was getting - 8 gigs of RAM and a 4890 rather than 4 gigs and a 4870. :)

I've got copious notes and pictures to document the project. I'll post them some place soon. I'm hoping to do a time machine transfer from my iMac tonight. Fingers crossed!

PB PM
2009-08-22, 02:06
I tried to do a vanilla install on my PC, but it would freeze at the Apple (I used a few boot loaders), so I guess my hardware isn't compatible. :( I've had non-vanilla installs working, but I'd rather run an update able version rather than have to update via a new install each time.

Partial
2009-08-22, 13:35
I tried to do a vanilla install on my PC, but it would freeze at the Apple (I used a few boot loaders), so I guess my hardware isn't compatible. :( I've had non-vanilla installs working, but I'd rather run an update able version rather than have to update via a new install each time.

Google "motherboard name" iAtkos 5i. Find out whether this distro will work with your set-up. It's wonderful, I've had nothing but an incredible experience with this set-up. I don't think its considered Vanilla, but it has its own built-in workaround to handle updates.

With a vanilla install, do your kext files (essentially drivers) get overwritten every time you update? The best part of iAtkos is how your settings stay the same despite upgrading the OS.

torifile
2009-08-22, 13:51
Google "motherboard name" iAtkos 5i. Find out whether this distro will work with your set-up. It's wonderful, I've had nothing but an incredible experience with this set-up. I don't think its considered Vanilla, but it has its own built-in workaround to handle updates.

With a vanilla install, do your kext files (essentially drivers) get overwritten every time you update? The best part of iAtkos is how your settings stay the same despite upgrading the OS.

The point of a vanilla install is that you don't need any special kext files so updating shouldn't be a problem. Hopefully Snow Leopard shouldn't be an issue, either. I've already heard reports that the 4890 is working in SL.

PB PM
2009-08-22, 15:16
Google "motherboard name" iAtkos 5i. Find out whether this distro will work with your set-up. It's wonderful, I've had nothing but an incredible experience with this set-up. I don't think its considered Vanilla, but it has its own built-in workaround to handle updates.

With a vanilla install, do your kext files (essentially drivers) get overwritten every time you update? The best part of iAtkos is how your settings stay the same despite upgrading the OS.
I looked at iAtoks 5i before I tried the vanilla install, no DFI boards are listed.

I have a DFI Blood Iron, P35 mobo, E8400 C2D, and Nvidia GTS250. Looks like my hardware just isn't support by any of the OSX86 stuff.

Partial
2009-08-22, 16:23
I looked at iAtoks 5i before I tried the vanilla install, no DFI boards are listed.

I have a DFI Blood Iron, P35 mobo, E8400 C2D, and Nvidia GTS250. Looks like my hardware just isn't support by any of the OSX86 stuff.

That board is extremely hackintoshable. All of the P35 boards are as far as I know!

This might be a good link:

http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=78325&hl=P35-T2RL+iAtkos

Seriously, let's figure this out together. Go download iAtkos 5i from the usual places right now. I predict it will be very similiar to my abit IP35-e since they're extremely similar boards. Getting some of the additional pieces working may take some time but once you figure it out once you'll be done. Three hours tops for the initial install, tops. After that, if you have have to redo it, 45 minutes tops. Looks like the graphics card will work too, it might just take some more searching, but page 1 of google tells me it can and has been done.

My first advice would be to skip searching google and start searching insanely mac forum. You get way better results.

PB PM
2009-08-22, 16:37
Thanks for you help. Looks promising, I wont have time again till Monday to work on it, but I'll try it again. Looks like I need to make some BIOS changes.

Partial
2009-08-22, 17:45
Thanks for you help. Looks promising, I wont have time again till Monday to work on it, but I'll try it again. Looks like I need to make some BIOS changes.

We'll get it figured out. Post here again when you're ready to give this another whirl.

PB PM
2009-08-24, 11:47
Okay, looks like I've got time to give it another try here. I know it has worked in the past, I did have OSX on it before, but that was with a hack build rather than retail. Note, that I have a 10.5.0 install disk.

torifile
2009-08-24, 12:02
Okay, looks like I've got time to give it another try here. I know it has worked in the past, I did have OSX on it before, but that was with a hack build rather than retail. Note, that I have a 10.5.0 install disk.
First thing I would do is try to find a Boot132 disc for your particular motherboard. If you can find one, you can install a vanilla OS making updating easier. What is the specific model of your MB?

PB PM
2009-08-24, 12:10
Blood Iron P35 T2RL. Okay, now for the crazy part, I cannot get into the BIOS... no idea why.

Edit BIOS problem solved. I think I found a boot132 as well.

PB PM
2009-08-24, 12:30
Nope doesn't work. I think the problem is that my install disk is 10.5.0, which means my graphics card isn't supported, no matter what boot loader I use.

torifile
2009-08-24, 12:36
Nope doesn't work.
You need to enable AHCI in your BIOS if that's an option.

PB PM
2009-08-24, 12:43
It is enabled.

torifile
2009-08-24, 12:46
It is enabled.
When you say it didn't work, what do you mean? I had to go through 3 Boot132 discs before I found one that worked.

PB PM
2009-08-24, 12:50
Okay, the bootloader works, but it freeze at the Apple.

PB PM
2009-08-24, 12:55
Here we go again and no luck. Freeze at the Apple with spinning wheel.

PB PM
2009-08-24, 13:00
Looks like I found the problem... AHCI has a few settings. I switched the wrong one I think. Yes, it loading the installer, and the installer is beachballing...

PB PM
2009-08-24, 13:07
Great now my DVD drive doesn't work anymore. It is literally dead... AHHHHHHHHHH.:mad: :mad: Changed settings back, doesn't make any difference.

Edit, okay unplugging the cables fixed the DVD drive. Lets try that again.

torifile
2009-08-24, 13:11
Looks like I found the problem... AHCI has a few settings. I switched the wrong one I think. Yes, it loading the installer, and the installer is beachballing...
I had the same problem with one of my Boot132 discs. It wasn't quite right. Although, drive never died! Hmm.

PB PM
2009-08-24, 13:15
Okay, OSX installer is loading... and beachballing.

Doesn't look this this is going to work. I know some of the custom installers work, but frankly I don't like using more hacks than I have too. I think my Hackintosh attempts are over.

torifile
2009-08-24, 13:24
Okay, OSX installer is loading... and beachballing.

Doesn't look this this is going to work. I know some of the custom installers work, but frankly I don't like using more hacks than I have too. I think my Hackintosh attempts are over.
Don't give up yet. I remember that problem, as well.

I assume you've seen this thread (http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=78325)? Same mobo as what you've got.

PB PM
2009-08-24, 13:28
Thats what I was working from. It freezes during the installer when doing what he says. There is nothing I can do.

PB PM
2009-08-24, 13:33
I'm sure I could get it to work through different methods, but this is just way too much effort.

Partial
2009-08-24, 18:03
What are you doing? Are you using iAtkos 5i? I'm not bullshitting you. It will work. You don't want to fuck around with chameleon shit. I just skimmed the thread.

PB PM
2009-08-24, 18:26
I gave up hours ago. iAtkos 5 is not compatible with my hardware or the version of OSX retail that I own (10.5.0), I checked.

PB PM
2009-08-24, 18:42
Looks like it might work with iAtkos, looks like version 7 is out.

Partial
2009-08-24, 20:03
I gave up hours ago. iAtkos 5 is not compatible with my hardware or the version of OSX retail that I own (10.5.0), I checked.

I find that extremely hard to believe. I use a p35 board as well. They're all basically the same thing or close enough to get to work.

What is the difference between version 5 and version 7? I use version 5i and update to the latest version of Mac OS.

Partial
2009-08-24, 20:14
I would try this in the following order:

1. Find a blank sata drive -- if it's ahci or whatever, set bios to that mode.

2. Download iAtkos 5i

3. Pop in DVD.

4. Page through options, find some of the settings that seem appropriate, and then install.

It will boot most likely, a few things like audio may not work. We can fix that.

For what its worth, it will freeze upon booting the first time. Restart. Then, it should boot.

Here is a similar setting config to what I used on the DVD. I can't remember the exact settings.

- iAtkos v5i
- PC EFI V9
- AppleDecrypt
- SMBIOS-EFI
- x86 APIC --> this make my PS2 keyboard work
- Disabler.kext
- OHR
- intel AHCI Sata --> AHCI mode in board bios
- Graphics Update
- EFI String 8600GTS 256MB

Use this thread here, it's money and people are actually helpful.
http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=138929&st=320

PB PM
2009-08-24, 20:34
I find that extremely hard to believe. I use a p35 board as well. They're all basically the same thing or close enough to get to work.

What is the difference between version 5 and version 7? I use version 5i and update to the latest version of Mac OS.
Version 7 is based off OSX 10.5.7.

torifile
2009-08-24, 20:35
I find that extremely hard to believe. I use a p35 board as well. They're all basically the same thing or close enough to get to work.

What is the difference between version 5 and version 7? I use version 5i and update to the latest version of Mac OS.
I don't think that's true. Just because the they're "close" doesn't mean it'll work easily. Believe me. I have P45 board and I had to scour the 'net and figure lots out on my own to get my whole board working right. My audio is still not 100% right but it's close enough for me.

Partial
2009-08-24, 22:06
Version 7 is based off OSX 10.5.7.

I would just download 5i and update through the OS since we think/know it'll work.

PB PM
2009-08-24, 23:00
Well I've almost finished downloading it, so we'll see how things go.

PB PM
2009-08-25, 00:07
I would try this in the following order:

1. Find a blank sata drive -- if it's ahci or whatever, set bios to that mode.

2. Download iAtkos 5i

3. Pop in DVD.

4. Page through options, find some of the settings that seem appropriate, and then install.

It will boot most likely, a few things like audio may not work. We can fix that.

For what its worth, it will freeze upon booting the first time. Restart. Then, it should boot.

Here is a similar setting config to what I used on the DVD. I can't remember the exact settings.

- iAtkos v5i
- PC EFI V9
- AppleDecrypt
- SMBIOS-EFI
- x86 APIC --> this make my PS2 keyboard work
- Disabler.kext
- OHR
- intel AHCI Sata --> AHCI mode in board bios
- Graphics Update
- EFI String 8600GTS 256MB

Use this thread here, it's money and people are actually helpful.
http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=138929&st=320
When you say you used those on the DVD what do you mean? I did you have to add those to the iAtkos 5?

Partial
2009-08-25, 00:10
When you say you used those on the DVD what do you mean? I did you have to add those to the iAtkos 5?

That's pasted from a forum. Select those things in the "custom" menu for iAtkos. Remember, the first boot is going to freeze/beach ball or crash, I don't remember what the result was but I remember never having a successful boot on the first attempt.

PB PM
2009-08-25, 00:18
Okay, just finishing burning the disk, will report results.

PB PM
2009-08-25, 00:38
Installing now.

PB PM
2009-08-25, 00:57
Install complete, restarted twice, KP both times. I'll have to play around with install options later and try to get it up and running.

turtle
2009-08-26, 11:37
Seems my mobo isn't compatible in it's current form. Every time I run the Darwin loader I get an error that my CPU Multiplier is 0 and Apple forces a reboot. I know others have installed on this board (Intel DX58SO) but I can't find how they did it. :(

torifile
2009-08-26, 21:16
Aperture runs great on this machine but I've run into a problem - all my thumbnails are grayed out. When I click on the image, it shows up, but once I click away, it's gray again. :confused:

Partial
2009-08-26, 21:54
Seems my mobo isn't compatible in it's current form. Every time I run the Darwin loader I get an error that my CPU Multiplier is 0 and Apple forces a reboot. I know others have installed on this board (Intel DX58SO) but I can't find how they did it. :(

search the insanelymac forums, much better than googling.

Partial
2009-08-26, 21:54
Aperture runs great on this machine but I've run into a problem - all my thumbnails are grayed out. When I click on the image, it shows up, but once I click away, it's gray again. :confused:

Sounds like a software issue not a hardware issue. I've yet to see a single application run differently on a hackintosh than a regular mac. Gotta wonder why would it :confused:

torifile
2009-08-26, 22:50
Sounds like a software issue not a hardware issue. I've yet to see a single application run differently on a hackintosh than a regular mac. Gotta wonder why would it :confused:

Yeah. I rebuilt the album and it works fine now. :)

I've got 2 remaining tiny problems. First, my audio works, but only out of the "black" output from the onboard sound. Not sure even what output it is - I can't read the tiny text and the docs are useless for this. Not a problem because optical audio works fine.

The other issue is that I can't wake the computer from sleep. I haven't figured out if the video card isn't waking up or the computer isn't. I just turned on screen sharing so I can see what's going on with the computer even if the display doesn't come on.

Other than these last 2 problems (1.5 if you consider that the audio issue isn't really one), everything's great. I'm going to hold off on Snow Leopard for a while to make sure it works well enough to go through all of this again. :lol: I've got the fastest computer I've ever had for under $1000 and it's a Mac. Sweet. :cancer:

Partial
2009-08-27, 00:05
Yeah. I rebuilt the album and it works fine now. :)

I've got 2 remaining tiny problems. First, my audio works, but only out of the "black" output from the onboard sound. Not sure even what output it is - I can't read the tiny text and the docs are useless for this. Not a problem because optical audio works fine.

The other issue is that I can't wake the computer from sleep. I haven't figured out if the video card isn't waking up or the computer isn't. I just turned on screen sharing so I can see what's going on with the computer even if the display doesn't come on.

Other than these last 2 problems (1.5 if you consider that the audio issue isn't really one), everything's great. I'm going to hold off on Snow Leopard for a while to make sure it works well enough to go through all of this again. :lol: I've got the fastest computer I've ever had for under $1000 and it's a Mac. Sweet. :cancer:

I would hold off on SL as well. Within 3 weeks I suspect you'll see kexts for the various audio and video devices, etc.

Wish I could help you with the sleep, but I just leave my comp on all the time. I probably should start sleeping it to conserve electricity. I'll look into it.

turtle
2009-08-27, 14:20
search the insanelymac forums, much better than googling.

I've been searching there and getting nowhere. My guess is the most recent firmware is the problem because I updated it immediately. I'm gonna try a few more things, but not holing my breath yet to make this one a hack. :(

Good work on yours tori!

torifile
2009-08-29, 09:03
I need to get a better cooler. I was playing COD4 on full resolution all maxed out and my CPU got to 75C. It didn't like that. I think I misapplied the heatsink the first time I put it on and I screwed up the thermal paste the second time. I'm hoping the local compusa has a decent cooler.

PB PM
2009-08-29, 11:50
Get one with heat pipes.

Maciej
2009-08-29, 12:31
Just out of curiosity, whats a safe operating temperature for a CPU & GPU?

Dorian Gray
2009-08-29, 12:38
Just out of curiosity, whats a safe operating temperature for a CPU & GPU?
Depends on the product. For torifile's Q9550 it's 71.4 degrees (http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=33924). So yeah, 75 degrees is pushing it a bit fine, to say the least. :lol:

PB PM
2009-08-29, 12:43
It actually depends on the CPU, whether it is a notebook or a desktop. Notebook CPUs tend to be rated to operate at higher temperatures. The original Core Duo notebook CPUs (from 2006) for example was rated to operate up to 100ºC, while the current desktop 45nm C2Ds are rated to operate up to 70ºC.

Maciej
2009-08-29, 12:51
Hmmm, I'm usually around 66°C so just barely under the 70° limit. Is there any way to tell exactly which CPU I've got, like by serial number, so I don't have to go digging it up?

Anyway, back to scheduled programming.

ThunderPoit
2009-08-29, 13:44
get yourself one of these, runs nice and cool. :)
http://davidlegatt.com/images/albums/userpics/10001/DSC_0007.jpg

PB PM
2009-08-29, 13:57
That thing is huge. I hear you have to remove the socket to install it though.

torifile
2009-08-29, 15:37
I ended up with one of these (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835887002). It got pretty good reviews at frostytech.com and it was local. And it looks like a freakin' butterfly! :lol: If anything says "I'm going to kick your ass" it's a heatsink shaped like a butterfly :lol:

I've been running Prime95 for the past 30 minutes and my high temp is 64C. So it's making a huge difference. I can't even notice any noise difference, to be honest. I hated having to pull out my motherboard because it essentially meant I needed to build the computer all over again but I was better at this time. Practice makes perfect.

ThunderPoit
2009-08-29, 18:35
That thing is huge. I hear you have to remove the socket to install it though.

nope, no socket removal, tho I would suggest getting some help to install it. You need somone to hold it down to keep the seal on the thermal paste and somone else to tighten the nuts

Robo
2009-08-29, 18:48
nope, no socket removal, tho I would suggest getting some help to install it. You need somone to hold it down to keep the seal on the thermal paste and somone else to tighten the nuts

That is why I won't ever build a computer.

I know how, of course. And it's not like it requires large amounts of physical strength or anything. I'd just be too nervous :o

Maciej
2009-08-29, 19:08
Building computers and working with hardware just takes a few things. Being prepared (having the right tools and knowing how to use them), experience and a little nerve (especially if you're working with pricey components). In the end though it is satisfying to have "assembled" your own system.

torifile
2009-08-29, 19:32
It was really very easy. Once I learned about my components (that is, that my video card required 2 power connections, for example), it was simple. My only remaining worry is about heat on my CPU because it's hard to know "how much" thermal paste is right. But it was a great learning process for me.

Robo
2009-08-29, 20:35
Building computers and working with hardware just takes a few things. Being prepared (having the right tools and knowing how to use them), experience and a little nerve.

Like I said, I know how, I just don't have the nerve. :o Also, I don't really have the time/money/need to build a PC. That too. ;)

Maciej
2009-08-29, 20:58
Like I said, I know how, I just don't have the nerve. :o Also, I don't really have the time/money/need to build a PC. That too. ;)

Yeah, I read that. Haha I suppose what I'm saying is it requires a little apprehension, so you don't break anything, but it's not like performing surgery or flying a plane. ;)

Maciej
2009-08-29, 21:52
It actually depends on the CPU, whether it is a notebook or a desktop. Notebook CPUs tend to be rated to operate at higher temperatures. The original Core Duo notebook CPUs (from 2006) for example was rated to operate up to 100ºC, while the current desktop 45nm C2Ds are rated to operate up to 70ºC.

The mobile C2D in Unibody MBs' are rated around 100°C correct? Mine was burning at a toasty 102° a couple minutes ago, encoding a video.

Robo
2009-08-30, 00:45
Yeah, I read that. Haha I suppose what I'm saying is it requires a little apprehension, so you don't break anything, but it's not like performing surgery or flying a plane. ;)

I *gladly* paid Apple $45 to upgrade my Mac mini to 2GB RAM. I just didn't want to deal with tearing the little thing apart. I know PCs (and hell, all other Macs) are more accessible, but still. It came out of my student discount, anyway, and it was worth paying an extra $20 just to not have to worry about ordering the RAM from another place and waiting for it to arrive and installing it. It just came perfect. :)

I heart my Mac mini. But then again, I'm a console gamer...

Partial
2009-08-30, 00:57
It was really very easy. Once I learned about my components (that is, that my video card required 2 power connections, for example), it was simple. My only remaining worry is about heat on my CPU because it's hard to know "how much" thermal paste is right. But it was a great learning process for me.

Less is more. I've found you get the lowest temps with an extremely thin layer of arctic silver 5.

Eugene
2009-08-30, 01:26
Less is more. I've found you get the lowest temps with an extremely thin layer of arctic silver 5.
Putting too much paste on the heatspreader isn't really a big deal. The biggest issue is having a nice heatsink with a nicely finished base. This means AVOID Thermalright heatsinks at all costs. They really have poor quality control despite being popular among builders. If you want a massive "tower" heatsink, get a Scythe Mugen 2.

Another thing is keep your paste free of contamination. Don't store the tube/syringe anywhere where there's excess moisture, because any water in the paste will reduce the heat conductivity to useless levels.

Partial
2009-08-30, 01:32
Tuniq Tower ftw. Quality beast right there.

Eugene
2009-08-30, 01:34
The mobile C2D in Unibody MBs' are rated around 100°C correct? Mine was burning at a toasty 102° a couple minutes ago, encoding a video.
100C for some, 105C for others, but generally not advisable. That is the max Tjunction according to Intel whitepapers.

Tuniq Tower ftw. Quality beast right there.
The Mugen 2 is bigger, better and cheaper!

PB PM
2009-08-30, 01:59
Less is more. I've found you get the lowest temps with an extremely thin layer of arctic silver 5.
I use Arctic Cooling thermal paste because its non-conducting and seems to do just as well as AS5 or better.

Partial
2009-08-30, 02:02
Any of you guys try this with SL yet? I have a .dmg file for SL that I'm trying to use disk utility to "restore" this to a flash key. Then, I'm going to give it the old install on the MBP. If that works, then I'll give the hackintosh a whirl.

Partial
2009-08-30, 02:31
Snow Leopard Tutorial:

http://www.ihackintosh.com/2009/08/how-to-install-snow-leopard-10a432-on-pc-hackintosh/

torifile
2009-08-30, 05:39
A pic of my awesome cooler:

http://banacheng.smugmug.com/photos/634308045_9as47-M.jpg

:D It works well enough but not nearly as cool as some of those big honking coolers. I ran prime95 for about 2 hours yesterday and my max temp was 65C. I reapplied the thermal paste a couple of times to make sure I was getting a good seal and all the results were similar. My room is about 78F so I wonder if that's contributing to the heat.

After ending the test, temps drop very quickly to the low 40s so the cooler is doing a good job. Am I ok at these temps or should I consider an even more massive cooler?

Dorian Gray
2009-08-30, 10:45
100C for some, 105C for others, but generally not advisable. That is the max Tjunction according to Intel whitepapers.
My MacBook Pro has a P7550 (http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=42014&code=p7550), which is only rated for 90 degrees.

Maciej
2009-08-30, 11:01
I must have one of these three P9500 (http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=35566), SP9600 (http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=37260), or the T9400 (http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=35562). But I can't really tell the difference.

Ahh, every mac says the T9400. Either way, thats a 105°.

Dorian Gray
2009-08-30, 11:21
EveryMac says my MacBook Pro has a P8400, which is wrong, so I wouldn't trust that. Terminal can tell you though:

sudo sysctl machdep.cpu.brand_string

torifile
2009-08-30, 11:45
I left Prime95 running while we went out to breakfast and I came back to a frozen computer. :( Thinking that it was a heating problem, I yet again, re-applied the thermal paste this time using a little more than I had had and reseated the heatsink. I'm running at a max of 60C right now. Is this typical this processor? I keep reading about people having temps down in the teens and "maxing out in the 40s" but I just don't see how that's possible.

edit: I think I see what happened. I installed an apparently not-so-stable version of the F@H GPU client and it put itself in my startup folder. I had just restarted prior to walking out the door so I didn't notice that it was running. Well, that makes me feel better. :) And I'm getting a decrease of 5 degrees after my latest application of the HSF so it was worth it. I wonder if this is as good as it's going to get with this cooler. Do you all think that these temps will be okay long-term?

Maciej
2009-08-30, 12:10
EveryMac says my MacBook Pro has a P8400, which is wrong, so I wouldn't trust that. Terminal can tell you though:

sudo sysctl machdep.cpu.brand_string

Thanks! that's what I was looking for a little bit earlier in this thread, I didn't know how to do that. It confirmed EveryMac tho.

ThunderPoit
2009-08-30, 12:14
torifile, be careful with that thermal paste, too much will cause your CPU to overheat!

Partial
2009-08-30, 12:23
I left Prime95 running while we went out to breakfast and I came back to a frozen computer. :( Thinking that it was a heating problem, I yet again, re-applied the thermal paste this time using a little more than I had had and reseated the heatsink. I'm running at a max of 60C right now. Is this typical this processor? I keep reading about people having temps down in the teens and "maxing out in the 40s" but I just don't see how that's possible.

edit: I think I see what happened. I installed an apparently not-so-stable version of the F@H GPU client and it put itself in my startup folder. I had just restarted prior to walking out the door so I didn't notice that it was running. Well, that makes me feel better. :) And I'm getting a decrease of 5 degrees after my latest application of the HSF so it was worth it. I wonder if this is as good as it's going to get with this cooler. Do you all think that these temps will be okay long-term?

That's really weird. Core 2's should run cool enough that you can easily overclock them without worries. I'm running a 2.2 ghz chip at 3.6 ghz. I believe it's an E5200 or something like that.

ThunderPoit
2009-08-30, 12:44
That's really weird. Core 2's should run cool enough that you can easily overclock them without worries. I'm running a 2.2 ghz chip at 3.6 ghz. I believe it's an E5200 or something like that.

What temps do you get in prime95? ive got the same CPU, but it runs upper 60s if i crank it to 3.6

torifile
2009-08-30, 13:00
torifile, be careful with that thermal paste, too much will cause your CPU to overheat!
I didn't put much at all. A thin, even layer is all I used but it's more than the scarcely there layer I had before. I'm running upper 30s at idle now and it didn't get higher than 60c with Prime95 running.

I haven't been able to try overclocking it yet mostly because I can't imagine saturating even what I've got. I'll let it run at this clock for a while to make sure it's good and stable before overclocking it.

Partial
2009-08-30, 18:21
What temps do you get in prime95? ive got the same CPU, but it runs upper 60s if i crank it to 3.6

I've never ran this. Is it available for Mac?

ThunderPoit
2009-08-30, 19:36
no, you'd have to boot into windows.
Ive also had an annoying issue with my system booting to a blue screen if i OC, but i can vnc in and see everything just fine. I think this will be taken care of when i upgrade to a 9800 gt for my vid card.

torifile
2009-08-30, 22:07
How do I fold in OS X? I tried downloading the client and it says that's it's not supported on my architecture. I'd like to put the machine under a stress test with an OS I know works. With Windows, you never know what the problem could be. :lol:

Partial
2009-09-18, 17:54
busttt...it...babbbbbbaaaayyyy

http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2009/09/install-snow-leopard-on-your-hackintosh-pc-no-hacking-required/

thegeriatric
2009-09-18, 18:59
If anyone cares, I've got OS X running! I'm updating to 10.5.8 right now. This computer is fast even with the ATI card not supported yet. I'm working on that. If the computer runs Aperture, I'm going to seriously consider getting rid of my iMac for this computer.

Of course someone cares, you are part of a community after all, glad you managed to get it working. :)

torifile
2009-09-18, 20:12
Everything's working now. Video card is recognized, Aperture works really well. I sold my iMac earlier this week. :eek: Oh, I do need to get a working webcam. But other than that, things are peachy. I may venture to install SL some time soon.

torifile
2009-09-18, 20:15
Oh. I forgot to mention that my odd freezes were the result of different brands of RAM. They have slightly different timings and that was causing problems. Anyone need 4 gigs of DDR2 RAM?

Partial
2009-09-19, 00:38
Next weekend I should have a drive coming in from Dell to backup a bunch of stuff. Once that is here, I will attempt the great Snow Leopard update of 2009.

Swox
2009-09-19, 09:15
I'd seriously consider building a Hackintosh if Photoshop, Logic, iLife, and Final Cut were stable on it. Is anyone using these apps on theirs? What's the performance and stability like?

Obviously, a significant part of my interest in building one is gaming, but I can't justify the cost without the productivity in the equation, too.

torifile
2009-09-19, 09:24
I'd seriously consider building a Hackintosh if Photoshop, Logic, iLife, and Final Cut were stable on it. Is anyone using these apps on theirs? What's the performance and stability like?

Obviously, a significant part of my interest in building one is gaming, but I can't justify the cost without the productivity in the equation, too.
I use Aperture and it runs great. I don't have iLife installed but I
Office runs without a hitch. I've got CS3 Ive been meaning to install. But the hackintosh works well enough to be my main Mac. And that says a lot. :)

Partial
2009-09-19, 10:51
If the OS is stable, then the apps will be stable and run like a champion on it. The key to getting a stable OS is do an hour or two or homework before you buy and make sure you get really compatible hardware.

I've got VLC, Mail, iTunes, TextMate, Eclipse, Safari and Adium basically open 24/7 and I haven't had to restart in probably a month. Since I've used iAtkos 5i (I'm sure its the same as the Vanilla installl), I have never had a crash since I ditched my PATA drive.

The most frequent cause of crashes earlier in the hackintosh scene was having 4gb of ram and an old PATA hard drive. Intel Macs only support SATA hard drives, so someone had to write JMicron drivers for the hackintosh and they weren't great. That said, I can't imagine anyone buying a PATA drive today.

I cannot imagine ever buying a desktop Mac again so long as we can hackintosh them. The quality of hardware shines through on the notebooks so I will always have an Apple notebook to compliment. I simply cannot imagine going back to Windows. The experience is just too good on a Mac/Hackintosh.

ime_NY
2009-09-19, 15:28
Partial, did you use the list of components in that lifehacker article (not the one you posted, but the one linked to your posted article)?

http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2009/09/how-to-build-a-hackintosh-with-snow-leopard-start-to-finish/

If one has had success hackintoshing a netbook, would the experience of doing the same to a desktop be different? I know that the Dell mini hackintosh community has a ridiculous amount of support behind it, so solutions and troubleshooting ideas are never more than a few hours from posting a problem.

Partial
2009-09-20, 01:20
Partial, did you use the list of components in that lifehacker article (not the one you posted, but the one linked to your posted article)?

http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2009/09/how-to-build-a-hackintosh-with-snow-leopard-start-to-finish/

If one has had success hackintoshing a netbook, would the experience of doing the same to a desktop be different? I know that the Dell mini hackintosh community has a ridiculous amount of support behind it, so solutions and troubleshooting ideas are never more than a few hours from posting a problem.

InsanelyMac has a huge community. Most Intel chipsets are compatible as that is what Apple uses. Find a board at a reasonable price, then google/insanelymac forum search to find out how compatible it actually is.

I did not use the hardware in the article. I have an ip35-e board, an e5200 process overclocked to 3.6 ghz, 4gb of patriot ram, a 30 dollar best buy case, an 8600 gt 256mb, 500 gb drive and then two 22" monitors for hardware. Pretty basic system. Very inexpensive for the performance.

torifile
2009-09-20, 10:16
I just encoded a CD in iTunes ALC format and I got ripping speeds of 32x. I think my MBP maxed out on this particular CD at 17x. Yet another example of how much performance you can get from off the shelf parts if you're willing to put in the time to get it right.

If I had to do it over again, the only thing I'd do differently is select a different motherboard. There are more OOB compatible ones out there.

Dorian Gray
2009-09-20, 10:49
I just encoded a CD in iTunes ALC format and I got ripping speeds of 32x. I think my MBP maxed out on this particular CD at 17x. Yet another example of how much performance you can get from off the shelf parts if you're willing to put in the time to get it right.
But you're comparing an ultra-slim optical disc drive for a notebook with a full-size desktop drive. Granted, the Mac mini and iMac also use notebook drives. ;)

Let us know when you build a better MacBook Pro from discount Newegg parts. :p

torifile
2009-09-20, 11:19
But you're comparing an ultra-slim optical disc drive for a notebook with a full-size desktop drive. Granted, the Mac mini and iMac also use notebook drives. ;)

Let us know when you build a better MacBook Pro from discount Newegg parts. :p
So you think the encoding speed is limited by the drive and not by the CPU? Even so, it's yet another advantage to using a real tower to an iMac. Nevermind the fact that I've got 8 USB devices plugged in without having to use a hub and a multi-card reader permanently mounted in the tower. And 2 full size HDs, with room for 3 more. I can finally declutter my desk of all the external peripherals I've gathered over the years. :)

Maciej
2009-09-20, 11:33
So you think the encoding speed is limited by the drive and not by the CPU? Even so, it's yet another advantage to using a real tower to an iMac. Nevermind the fact that I've got 8 USB devices plugged in without having to use a hub and a multi-card reader permanently mounted in the tower. And 2 full size HDs, with room for 3 more. I can finally declutter my desk of all the external peripherals I've gathered over the years. :)

I'm pretty jealous of this monster you've developed Tori. By all means it seems like cheap and beastly machine.

Dorian Gray
2009-09-21, 11:41
So you think the encoding speed is limited by the drive and not by the CPU?
Yeah. Just to be sure, I just checked: I encoded an album in AIFF, then encoded that in Apple Lossless (so it was encoding from the hard disk). My 2.26 GHz MacBook Pro has the slow 160 GB hard drive, but it's obviously still far quicker than any CD-ROM drive. The album encode took about 40 seconds, averaging around 80x and peaking over 100x. This was still limited by I/O rather than CPU, and only used about half the available CPU time.

turtle
2009-09-21, 23:14
Hey tori, do you have Core Audio working on your system? That's one of the big things I'm missing on my system. That and I still can't authorize this computer for iTunes.

Partial
2009-09-21, 23:56
What is core audio? Also, by authorize, do you mean login with an iTunes account? Because I can do that (so it isn't a hackintosh specific thing).

turtle
2009-09-22, 00:30
For Core Audio see here (http://www.apple.com/macosx/what-is-macosx/graphics-media.html) near the bottom of the page. It's only an issue when I use Garage Band.
http://turtle2472.com/an/gberror.png
http://turtle2472.com/an/gbcoreaudio.png

The authorization issue is with iTunes. I can't seem to add this computer. :\
http://turtle2472.com/an/itunesnoauth.png

Edit: fixed the Garage Band thing.

torifile
2009-09-22, 08:14
Hey tori, do you have Core Audio working on your system? That's one of the big things I'm missing on my system. That and I still can't authorize this computer for iTunes.
I had an iTunes authorization problem and I followed the instructions in this post (http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=60396&view=findpost&p=432179) to get it working. Looks like you're having a different problem than I did though.

turtle
2009-09-22, 12:25
I had an iTunes authorization problem and I followed the instructions in this post (http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=60396&view=findpost&p=432179) to get it working. Looks like you're having a different problem than I did though.

That fix didn't work for me. :(

Swox
2009-10-13, 14:54
Well, I think I'm going to take the Hackintosh plunge (just watch - Apple will release a reasonably priced mid-tower the day after my stuff arrives ;) ). Here's what I was thinking of using:

Intel BOXDP55KG LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16813121385)

Intel Core i7-860 Lynnfield 2.8GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80605I7860
(http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16819115214)
SAPPHIRE 100279-1GL Radeon HD 4870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card
(http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16814102849)
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL8D-4GBHK
(http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820231189)
Western Digital Caviar Green WD15EADS 1.5TB SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16822136351)

Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
(http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16811129021)
Antec earthwatts EA500 500W Continuous Power ATX12V v2.0 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC "Compatible with Core i7/Core i5" Power Supply
(http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16817371007)
Sony Optiarc 24X DVD/CD Rewritable Drive Black SATA Model AD-7240S-0B
(http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16827118030)

All of that comes to a grand total of $1,164.92 CAD ($1352.14 with taxes and shipping). Not bad for a pretty powerful machine!

I was originally going to go with the GIGABYTE GA-EX58-UD3R LGA 1366 Intel X58 motherboard and matching processor, but it seems like people are starting to get the newer boards working, so why not go with this one instead (they cost pretty much the same)?

I'm going to wait a bit before I go ahead with this build just to make sure that everything I need to work on it will, but I thought I'd share my shopping list with you guys. Thoughts and/or advice are welcome, as I've never built a computer from scratch before (though I'm pretty comfortable with installing HDD's, RAM, and GPU's).

torifile
2009-10-13, 19:55
Why are you going with a core i7? They seem pricey right now. You could get a Core 2 Quad for $100 less and the mobo would be cheaper as well.

The only other thing I'd worry about is the power supply. Make sure it is quality and that you'll have enough for growing later.

I got a 750 watt which was overkill and may still be - but when I built the computer I didn't have 4 TB hds in there or a card reader. The whole point f a hackintosh is to be able to expand, right?

Maciej
2009-10-13, 20:07
I like the choice of the i7, especially the 860. Its at the sweet spot right now, there's definitely a lot of advantages to getting it and not many negatives. IMO.

Swox - what are you using the computer for?

Swox
2009-10-13, 20:23
Logic, iMovie, iPhoto/Aperture, gaming, and occasionally playing around with 3D animation. It's really key for me to be able to get it to work with my MOTU 896HD (FW400). I've read a fair number of people saying that MOTU equipment is playing nicely with Hackintoshs.

I'd rather pay a couple of hundred more now and have it last longer. That's why I'm thinking of going with the i7. More processor power is also really useful for my music and video editing. I would go with a cheaper processor if I was going to use it primarily for gaming.

torifile
2009-10-13, 20:25
A couple other things: make sure the motherboard is compatible. Not just close, but make sure you find out that others have been able to get it working perfectly.

The other thing is that you might want to wait to see if those new Radeons work in a Hackintosh. The 5870 is a bear of a card and definitely way more card than you'd need but even the 5850 looks good. It's more expensive, obviously, but it might be worth it if that's important to you.

Oh, you also need to consider cooling. The stock fan with the intels are "ok" by all accounts but if you're doing lots of CPU intensive stuff, you're going to be running pretty hot. The 4870 is a very hot card, too. You might want to get an aftermarket fan.

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/5700_101209230406/20465.png

Oh, and one final thing: that's a damned gaudy case! ;)

Maciej
2009-10-13, 20:32
Actually I think the 860 is going to be the defacto chip for gaming in the coming months, for those who aren't doing real heavy CrossFire or SLI at least.

Swox
2009-10-13, 20:40
A couple other things: make sure the motherboard is compatible. Not just close, but make sure you find out that others have been able to get it working perfectly.

That's why I'm going to wait for a little while before I get these ones. I've seen a couple of people on Insanely Mac who have gotten them working, but I'd like to see some more before I take the plunge.

The other thing is that you might want to wait to see if those new Radeons work in a Hackintosh. The 5870 is a bear of a card and definitely way more card than you'd need but even the 5850 looks good. It's more expensive, obviously, but it might be worth it if that's important to you.

It's going to be at least a few weeks until I place my order, but I think I'll stick with this one for now, then potentially upgrade in a year or two. This is a huge jump up from my x1600 in my MBP, so I think I'll be pretty dazzled for a while ;) . Unless there's something from NVIDIA I should be considering.

Oh, you also need to consider cooling. The stock fan with the intels are "ok" by all accounts but if you're doing lots of CPU intensive stuff, you're going to be running pretty hot. The 4870 is a very hot card, too. You might want to get an aftermarket fan.

I wasn't sure about other forms of cooling. What's best? Fans? Liquid something or other? I chose the case I did because it's got tones of fans, which I thought would help. But if I'm better off with something else, I'll switch to a cheaper case and install something extra instead.

Oh, and one final thing: that's a damned gaudy case! ;)

It wouldn't be a PC case if it wasn't ;) . Seriously though, this thing is going to be hidden in the cupboard of my desk (which has ventilation in the front and back), so no one's going to see my hideous, shameful secret ;)

Maciej
2009-10-13, 20:45
I personally think you'll do just fine with the stock heatsink if you're not overclocking - especially if you make sure the case is getting to air flow, with a couple of fans.

Swox
2009-10-13, 20:47
The case I'm looking at has 3 120mm fans and one 200mm. Will that cover me?

Luca
2009-10-13, 20:49
The CPU isn't nearly as important for gaming as the GPU. If you're doing a gaming rig, a $100 CPU coupled with a $300 graphics card will give you much better performance than a $300 CPU combined with a $100 graphics card.

Of course, an i7 would be absolute heaven for anyone who does video encoding or other highly CPU intensive tasks. Gaming actually isn't that CPU intensive, though.

turtle
2009-10-13, 20:58
My hackintosh sits on my desk proudly! :) It's a little messy right now though. :\
http://turtle2472.com/an/hack091012.jpg

Mine is running with the stock cooler still on the i7 920 CPU. I don't even really challenge it unless I'm doing podcasting with video or encoding videos for personal use.

On a side note, this isn't where Beast is going to reside, just where he is now.

Maciej
2009-10-13, 20:59
The case I'm looking at has 3 120mm fans and one 200mm. Will that cover me?

No overclocking? Yes. The biggest concern heat wise is if you were to overclock by bumping up the voltage.

Check out AnandTech's Lynnfield review, here (http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3634). For most of the article they talk about the 870, but the 860 slots in real well there.

I would also second Luca's sentiments about upgrading your CPU - but I don't know anything about what's compatible with Hackintoshing. If you're going to be running a dual boot w/ Win7 you've almost certainly have to get an Evergreen chip, something like a 5750 or 5850 depending on your budget. Since you're waiting a little bit anyway, there isn't a reason not to keep an eye on these chips (especially if they work in OS X).

torifile
2009-10-13, 21:29
As some of you may have read in this thread, I was having heat problems so I'm extra sensitive to the issue. Plus, I've got the tower in my office so noise level is somewhat important. My case doesn't cool nearly as well as yours probably does (and if I had to do it over again, I probably would have gone with a different case - live and learn, I guess...)

If noise is important to you, there some Scythe fans that are quieter than the stock fan and cool better, too. Frostytech (http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=2248&page=5).

Swox
2009-10-13, 22:10
No overclocking? Yes. The biggest concern heat wise is if you were to overclock by bumping up the voltage.

Check out AnandTech's Lynnfield review, here (http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3634). For most of the article they talk about the 870, but the 860 slots in real well there.

I wasn't planning on overclocking. I think the base power will be plenty for me for a while.

I would also second Luca's sentiments about upgrading your CPU - but I don't know anything about what's compatible with Hackintoshing. If you're going to be running a dual boot w/ Win7 you've almost certainly have to get an Evergreen chip, something like a 5750 or 5850 depending on your budget. Since you're waiting a little bit anyway, there isn't a reason not to keep an eye on these chips (especially if they work in OS X).

You mean GPU, right? I'd consider it, but apparently we need to wait until the GPU is supported by the Mac Pro. Since Apple's so damn slow to add video card support, I'm not going to hold my breath... But if they do happen to do it before I place my order, I'd probably go for a better card (the 5770 is less than $10 more expensive than the one I'm considering).

The most important thing for me is its performance with Logic, iMovie, QT, and Aperture/iPhoto/Photoshop. I don't need bleeding edge graphics (though I'd pay an extra $50 or less to have a noticeable difference, if something was available).


I really appreciate all of the input, btw :)

torifile
2009-10-13, 22:17
My read is that the 5770 may not be (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5770,2446.html) worth it unless noise/heat are important to you. The 4870 outperforms it in nearly every game out there, it's slightly cheaper (and will likely be even more so in the coming months), and it's well supported in OS X.

Swox
2009-10-13, 23:12
My read is that the 5770 may not be (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5770,2446.html) worth it unless noise/heat are important to you. The 4870 outperforms it in nearly every game out there, it's slightly cheaper (and will likely be even more so in the coming months), and it's well supported in OS X.

Cool, thanks! I'll probably stick with the better supported card as planned then.

Maciej
2009-10-14, 01:39
Yeah, I meant GPU sorry for the typo.

Yeah, the only reason to get the 5770 or 5750 would be for the DX11 support for gaming. The top end of the old generation out performs it, but doesn't support DX11 fully, from what I understand.

The GPU prices may change rapidly, I don't know, it just might be worth keeping an eye on it.

Swox
2009-10-23, 23:20
I was just looking over the insanelymac forums, and it got me wondering: Should I consider a micro ATX board and case? I could save a decent bit of cash if I did, but I'm worried there's some big tradeoff I'm missing. Is anyone here knowledgeable about this?

Edit: Now that I think about it, I'd probably still go with a full size case.

Maciej
2009-10-23, 23:35
Mini-ITX is the new Micro-ATX, and Micro-ATX is the new ATX. At least that’s where we see the trends going in the next few years. With the heavy amount of integration that Intel is working on, motherboard real estate just isn’t as important as it used to be.

While we won’t be able to buy an LGA-1156 mini-ITX motherboard until early 2010, there are good micro-ATX options for Lynnfield owners today with more coming.

The price points are nice and you don’t give up any features to go with a micro-ATX P55 motherboard.

That's a brief excerpt from this (http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3652) article. I'm working on the supposition that you've decided to go with the lynnfield chip - but even otherwise I thnk you'd do okay with a micro-ATX if you did some research and price comparison to the larger boards.

Swox
2009-10-24, 00:25
Cool. I read a bit about it and it all sounded good, but I always like to ask because it's the internet, and people write all kinds of crazy things in articles.

One other thing I noticed: I'm thinking of going with a 600w power supply (which is on sale and cheaper than my 500w one I was looking at before), and I noticed that some say "Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply". I'm assuming that this is just advertising BS, but I thought I'd double check: I don't need a power supply to say that if I'm going to go with an i7 860 (the Lynnfield), right?

Edit: I found the GIGABYTE GA-P55-UD4P LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128400) was about $60 or so less than the ATX one I was looking at, which is nice :)

Edit 2: And just for torifile, I'm going with a different case (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129042) as well (well, that and it's $40 cheaper ;) ).

Maciej
2009-10-24, 00:30
Sounds like marketing bullshit to me, but I haven't seen that before either. Luca?

Ohh yeah, I wanted to point out to do some price comparisons too. I've noticed recently that NewEgg seems to be charging significantly more than Amazon for some things. In particular this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167024) SSD vs this (http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d.html/ref=mp_s_a_1/189-5155361-3022515?qid=1256362410&a=B002IJA1EQ&sr=8-1) same model. That's 41% markup if my math is right. This seems like a pretty drastic example, and I don't think you're buying an SSD, but I thought I'd mention it.

Swox
2009-10-24, 00:43
Unfortunately, Amazon doesn't ship electronics to Canada as far as I know, but I'll look around. One of the reasons I'm going to get most of my stuff from newegg is their great customer service. I don't mind paying a bit more for that.

Edit: Apparently amazon.ca does sell computer parts! Nice!

Edit: That are either really old or really over priced (i.e. they want $420 or so for the processor, when I'm getting it and the MB for $433). Why do Canadians always get the shaft?

turtle
2009-10-24, 07:05
A lot of things have taken to say i7 compatible even though there is no relevance.

Swox
2009-11-09, 19:12
A few (pretty newbish) questions before I pull the trigger:

1) I need a separate HDD for Windows, right?

2) I'm getting the Coolermaster RC 690 (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119137) case. What cables should I be buying for my build? (2 x HDD, 1 x Raedon HD 4870 video card, 1 x DVD drive)

3) Do we know for sure that the new iMacs are using the i7 860's?

4) Should I get something better than the stock cooler for the CPU? If so, any recommendations?

Any help is greatly appreciated!

Swox
2009-11-13, 21:54
I finally placed my order after weeks of obsessing over the details. Making your own computer from scratch is a tough process for the OCD type - so many damn decisions, and each one has to be perfect!

I settled on the Gigabyte UD2 MB, i7 860 processor, and a GTX 260. Should be here in a week or so. I'm excited and terrified.

turtle
2009-11-13, 22:32
You'll have fun building it. It really is a great time and the satisfaction of the finished product is just awesome! :)

Eugene
2009-11-15, 06:33
A few (pretty newbish) questions before I pull the trigger:

1) I need a separate HDD for Windows, right?

2) I'm getting the Coolermaster RC 690 (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119137) case. What cables should I be buying for my build? (2 x HDD, 1 x Raedon HD 4870 video card, 1 x DVD drive)

3) Do we know for sure that the new iMacs are using the i7 860's?

4) Should I get something better than the stock cooler for the CPU? If so, any recommendations?

Any help is greatly appreciated!
I guess I'm a little late since you already ordered, but...

1) Nope, the bootloaders used by most Hackintosh installs can handle pretty much anything you throw at it. You can easily just partition a single HDD for OS X + Windows + Linux + whatever.

2) Motherboards typically come with plenty of SATA cables. PSUs come with plenty of SATA, PCIe and Molex power connectors for mainstream users. The case comes with all the front panel connectors you'd need. One concern of course is the number of 3-4 pin fan headers on your motherboard. My PC uses five 120mm fans, and many bargain/mainstream boards do not have that many headers. Only other cable I can think of is an audio cable from your optical drive to your sound output device/card (obsolete way of listening to or ripping CD audio)

3) Yes.

4) Yes. Stock coolers are generally terrible. They can get very loud if you are putting your PC through it's paces. A lot of HSFs like the Noctua line-up are very nice, but also very expensive. I currently like Scythe's Mugen 2 because it performs well and only costs $35 at NewEgg. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185093) Just a fair bit of warning, it is HUGE and if you like to swap components often, it can get in the way. The Katana 3 may be a little more manageable sizewise. Thermalright's Ultra-120 Extreme is legendary, but they have quality control issues...I would stay away.

It's good to have OCD when building a PC... Stick to reputable brands, spend the extra couple of bucks.

Cases = Antec has a pretty diverse line-up, otherwise personal preference.
PSUs = Seasonic, Corsair, Antec, Enermax...possibly XFX (they only have one 850W PSU, but it's superb)
Motherboards = EVGA, Asus, Gigabyte, MSI, Intel...second tier = DFI, Biostar, ASRock...avoid Foxconn, ECS, Jetway
Memory = Mushkin, Corsair, Crucial, G.Skill
Video Cards = XFX has transferrable lifetime warranties. EVGA has Step-Up.
HDDs = Western Digital drives are quieter and faster than the equivalents from Seagate, Hitachi, Samsung.
Optical = Samsung and NEC-based Sony-Optiarc or Lite-On drives. Avoid LG and Pioneer.
Sound = Onboard. Avoid Creative and everyone else. If you want good sound, buy a USB DAC/amp.
Fans = Scythe S-FLEX/GentleTyphoon/Slipstream, Nexus, Noctua, Noiseblocker
Heatsinks = Scythe and Noctua

Eugene
2009-11-15, 06:51
As some of you may have read in this thread, I was having heat problems so I'm extra sensitive to the issue. Plus, I've got the tower in my office so noise level is somewhat important. My case doesn't cool nearly as well as yours probably does (and if I had to do it over again, I probably would have gone with a different case - live and learn, I guess...)
Almost any case these days is going to be fine for cooling. Aesthetics are far more important to me, and most of those cases with 200mm fans are butt...

The Antec P183 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129061) is probably the best all-around case to me. The VSK-2000 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129069) is okay for a budget build...a little flimsy. I like the plain look of this Gigabyte X7 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811233049) too.

The Corsair Obsidian 800D (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139001) for people building "God Boxes."

Luca
2009-11-15, 10:19
Another good option for the cooler is the Xigmatek HDT-S1283. That's what I'm running and it keeps things much cooler than stock. It's also very quiet since it uses a 120 mm fan. They're about $30-$40.

torifile
2009-11-15, 10:30
Almost any case these days is going to be fine for cooling. Aesthetics are far more important to me, and most of those cases with 200mm fans are butt...

The Antec P183 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129061) is probably the best all-around case to me. The VSK-2000 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129069) is okay for a budget build...a little flimsy. I like the plain look of this Gigabyte X7 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811233049) too.

The Corsair Obsidian 800D (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139001) for people building "God Boxes."
In my recent i7 build, that P183 is exactly the case I'm using. Spacious, cool AND quiet in one. It's a good case. :) This i7 rig I've been able to overclock and undervolt at the same time, so it's nice and cool. I could probably get another 500 mhz out of it easy but I'm fine with where it is right now.

Swox
2009-11-15, 13:16
Here's exactly what I ended up ordering:

Intel Core i7 860 2.8ghz Quad Core Processor (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115214)

GIGABYTE GA-P55M-UD2 LGA 1156 Intel P55 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128405)

MSI GeForce GTX 260 896MB Video Card (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127426)

COOLER MASTER RC 690 ATX Mid Tower Computer Case (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119137)

Antec EarthWatts EA650 650W Power Supply (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371015)

WD 1.5 TB Green HDD (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136351)

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231189)

ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro Rev.2 92mm Fluid Dynamic CPU Cooler (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186134)

SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD+R... IDE Drive (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151176) (does it matter that this is IDE? I have an IDE connector on my MB, and it's not being used for anything else).


I also bought an anti-static wrist band and 2 SATA cables (the latter was probably unnecessary, but I was so worried about getting all of the parts and not being able to start things up that I though "screw it, it's 6 bucks). For audio, I've got an awesome MOTU interface that I use via firewire.

PB PM
2009-11-15, 13:45
I can tell you now that the Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro isn't much better than a stock cooler, I have one in my system. The only advantage is that it is quieter, which is all I care about, since I don't overclock.

As for the DVD drive, get SATA, IDE cables create massive air flow blockage.

Swox
2009-11-15, 14:15
I've heard very positive things about that cooler on newegg and insanelymac. One guy has his i5 overclocked to 3.6 ghz with it.

But the main reason I got it was to have a quieter computer. I wouldn't mind OCing a bit though...

Newwegg will RMA the DVD drive for free as long as I don't open it, so I'm just going to look locally for an SATA one.

torifile
2009-11-15, 15:06
I've heard that some hackintoshes have issues with IDE devices. I got this one (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002HFWBIA/ref=ox_ya_oh_product) and it works great.

And are you certain that the 1156 socket boards work well as hackintoshes? When I was researching my i7 build, I didn't find much confirmation there was a reliable installation method. Things have probably changed in the past couple of weeks but you might want to be certain.

Swox
2009-11-15, 16:26
I've heard that some hackintoshes have issues with IDE devices. I got this one (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002HFWBIA/ref=ox_ya_oh_product) and it works great.

I'm going to order this one from Sony (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827118030).

And are you certain that the 1156 socket boards work well as hackintoshes? When I was researching my i7 build, I didn't find much confirmation there was a reliable installation method. Things have probably changed in the past couple of weeks but you might want to be certain.

They seem to be up and running pretty well now, though they're likely to be working much better sometime in the next week or so when the i7 iMacs are out in the wild and we can get the vanilla kernel. See this thread (http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=176155) if you want to read about it (you can skip to about page 19 or 20).

Eugene
2009-11-15, 17:16
As for the DVD drive, get SATA, IDE cables create massive air flow blockage.
Besides that, there's no reason to stick with IDE.

IDE controllers are added to boards via a shitty JMicron chipset instead of being part of the main controller hub provided by Intel. It will also use more CPU time than SATA.

He'd have to run two different leads from his PSU or use an adapter just to power his HDD and optical drives.

Using SATA alone allows you to turn the JMicron controller off completely through the BIOS.

torifile
2009-11-15, 19:03
Are there advantages to turning off the JMicron controller in BIOS?

Eugene
2009-11-15, 22:35
Are there advantages to turning off the JMicron controller in BIOS?
Out of habit, I turn everything I don't use off...like serial/com/parallel ports, JMicron IDE or SATA RAID controllers, onboard sound (since I use a USB audio).

Swox
2009-11-15, 22:40
Anyone have a recommendation for an inexpensive 2.0 set of speakers for my new compy (I've been on a laptop for so long, I forgot that towers need speakers!)? I'd like a budget set, primarily for Youtube, etc., but it would be nice if they weren't terrible. I'd love to spend somewhere between $10-40 or so.

cosus
2009-11-15, 23:56
Haven't we yet seen such a decline in computer gaming that these gaming rigs have lost their luster? Modern Warfare gets a low score on Amazon for seemingly changing it's multilayer system while getting good scores on console versions.

Eugene
2009-11-16, 00:08
Haven't we yet seen such a decline in computer gaming that these gaming rigs have lost their luster? Modern Warfare gets a low score on Amazon for seemingly changing it's multilayer system while getting good scores on console versions.
The rise of console gaming doesn't signal the end of computer gaming. CoD4 generated 300M in revenue from first day sales alone. That money goes back to the developers right away and expands the gaming industry as a whole. COD4:MW2 kiddies are crying about the lack of dedicated servers, but they're still buying the game. (http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/6062/1258035395841.jpg)

torifile
2009-11-16, 00:43
I used to think that consoles provided a good enough experience that computer gaming was dead but after having played on a real rig, there's no way I'd say that now. There are some things for which a kb/m combo is far superior to the controller. Managing inventory in an RPG is one such area. Pointing and clicking on people's heads in an FPS is another.

Eugene
2009-11-16, 03:33
I just find online PC gaming an overall better experience. If a game runs sluggish, you can fix it with new hardware. When Madden on my Wii slows down, I can't do anything about that. I haven't turned on my 360 in over a year and my Wii lives in my car trunk because I only ever use it at social gatherings.

SpecMode
2009-11-18, 03:45
So, it's not exactly a "gaming rig", but I now have a Hackintosh of my very own. The base Navy Exchange had a display model Dell Studio XPS 435mt, with a Core i7 920 @ 2.66GHz, 4GB of RAM, 640GB HDD, and a 512MB Radeon 4850, for $597. No keyboard, mouse, display, etc...but I've got those to spare and then some. :)

I've had some issues with getting the GPU to work properly on the main HDD install (I'm running it right now with a USB drive install that works beautifully, and that utterly smashes my iMac in Xbench), but otherwise it works nicely. This is going to be my "Mac Pro" for photo/video editing (and occasional gaming), especially once I get a better display than the 1280x720 Gateway LCD I'm using right now.

SpecMode
2009-11-19, 10:51
So, my $600 Dell is, after more than a bit of wrangling with GPU kexts, benchmarking somewhere between the new Core i5 and i7 iMacs in Cinebench, and around the same as the i5 iMac in Geekbench (32-bit). Not bad. Now all I need is a bigger display, and the iMac gets relegated to the role of backup machine. :D

ast3r3x
2009-11-22, 20:43
Just built a hackintosh to act as a makeshift xserve for my house. I plan on it being a torrentbox, music server (i think i'll just stream from that itunes since that is where my torrents will be downloading too) and anything else I have in store for it…maybe I'll back up to it too since I have a decent amount of space on it.

Specs:

Case: Antec NSK2480 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129034) (one of the nicest PC cases I've ever dealt with—no sharp edges, well thought out, sufficient cooling, super sturdy)
Mobo: GA-G31M-ES2L
Proc: Core2Quad 2.33GHz
RAM: 2GB (I figured as a server I wouldn't need more than that)
HD: 500GB SATA, 250GB SATA (I'll be getting bigger drives soon)

Thoughts:
After playing with Chameleon for a bit and getting frustrated trying to get things to work, I ended up just opting for paying $50 for Psystar's RebelEFI…which I'm convinced is just chameleon packaged together for you. But it was a lot easier, and make doing everything a snap.

I was incredibly annoyed that I couldn't get the integrated graphics (Intel GMA 3100) controller working so my max (and only) resolution right now is 1024x768. I suppose I'll fix this with a graphics card at some point, but since it is a headless server it isn't a huge deal.

The integrated ethernet port didn't work either and so I had to buy a $30 USB to ethernet dongle. But it worked and it allowed me to get everything working, just annoying because I plan on buying a wireless card.

I was trying to decide between trying this and just getting a mac mini to serve this purpose, and while I regret doing this a little based on the size of this compared to the mac mini, but this machine will come in costing less even after I buy a graphics and wifi card, and being significantly more powerful for anything I throw at it.

Partial
2010-01-03, 15:23
Working on taking my 1.5.8 Hackintosh to 1.6.latest right now. Have 1.6 running but don't have ethernet or correct video support yet. Should be an hour away.

Update: Had it up and running but 10.6.2 update killed it. Evidently the SleepEnabler.kext gets overwritten.

So far, it's much more complicated imo to Hackintosh 10.6 than it was for 10.5. 10.5 was largely set it and forget it.

Partial
2010-01-03, 20:38
Up and running 10.6.2 like a champion. I'll right up a quick tutorial for my hardware later and post it here.

turtle
2010-01-04, 05:38
I"m thinking that I'll be moving Beast into my media center and building up my new i7 860 into my hackintosh. Kinda annoyed with Beast's multicore issues right now. Oh well, this is the life of a hack. :D

SpecMode
2010-01-04, 07:01
Oh well, this is the life of a hack. :D

Yup. I've been having issues with kernel panics over the last week or so - had four in the span of three days. Thought it might be the extra 2GB of RAM I installed a few weeks ago, so I ran a memtest86+ battery on it yesterday. Passed with no errors. (Ironically, one of those four kernel panics was during the reboot immediately after the test run.)

Could be an issue with USB devices, but I haven't been able to pull a panic log off of it yet to do any actual troubleshooting. When it goes down, it straight-up freezes, no "grey curtain of death", no fallback to character mode, nothing.

Partial
2010-01-04, 20:45
SpecMode do you have an ATA hdd? JMicron and 4gb+ don't play nicely unless you have a special kext file.

torifile
2010-01-04, 21:03
So far so good on my hackintosh. Knock on wood...

Partial
2010-01-26, 19:53
What are the two graphic things on a Mac? Quarts extreme and what else? I think something is hosed up with my graphics. Scrolling and expose seem really slow, as does typing in Adium (laggy even).

Thanks!

Partial
2010-01-26, 20:01
Per this article and the chess test, hardware acceleration is working. Hmmm

http://prasys.co.cc/2009/09/quartz-extreme-and-core-image-in-snow-leopard/

torifile
2010-01-26, 20:23
What are the two graphic things on a Mac? Quarts extreme and what else? I think something is hosed up with my graphics. Scrolling and expose seem really slow, as does typing in Adium (laggy even).

Thanks!
You mean core image? Is this slowdown a new development or has it always been like this?

Partial
2010-01-26, 20:48
You mean core image? Is this slowdown a new development or has it always been like this?

I think it's always been like this since the jump to snow leopard. Not sure exactly. I've really noticed it the past few days.

SpecMode
2010-01-26, 20:57
Just as a follow-up to my earlier post, the system has been rock-solid ever since, even after re-upgrading the RAM to 9GB.

I'm thinking that my problems might have been some quirk related to running OS X after rebooting from Windows (or any other OS, for that matter). I've been shutting the system down entirely before booting into another OS, and I haven't had any problems since.

Partial
2010-02-24, 20:59
My audio stopped working yesterday, so I installed a kext file (using kext helper) and it borked up my machine. Having said that, I've now gone in and replaced the AppleHDA file that was causing the problem from the default SL install. Here's hoping that solves the problem.

For those interested in a hackintosh, 99% of my problems are self-induced by "nerding" too intensely. The thing runs like a champion.

Edit: 10 minutes from DVD to hackintosh up and running again with Audio (via VooDooHDA kext)

Partial
2010-07-18, 13:04
Had some interesting experiences yesterday with the old hackintosh. Not sure what is causing them, but I'm getting a bunch of artifacts when dragging windows around, etc randomly. I haven't changed anything in the system config.

Yesterday there were power surges all day. The power probably went on and off 10 times, and the machine was running for probably 5 of them.

Any chance this could have fried my graphic device? I've tried running "chess" and it runs fine, but I do get some artifacts when playing. Running chess is the best way to check if quarts and core are enabled.

dmegatool
2010-07-18, 13:36
Did you check the temperature ? Could be some overheating due fan not working properly. Last time I had artifacts, it was overheating problems...

Partial
2010-07-18, 13:45
Did you check the temperature ? Could be some overheating due fan not working properly. Last time I had artifacts, it was overheating problems...

I thought that too so I checked the bios and it's at 39 degrees celcius. I'm going to try upgrading to 10.6.4. Hopefully that will take care of it. If not, then I'll have to install a temperature monitoring software within the OS. Right now it seems like the machine is locking up a lot too, so that gives credence to the overheating idea.

Something interesting right now is that the UI is completely locked up on the machine (frozen like a kernel panic) and full of artifacts, but I can still stream video from it when I connect to the server through the os. Works fine. Seems to be the likely culprit is graphics and not ram for the lock up.

Partial
2010-07-21, 20:03
Cleaned out the desktop tonight with an air compressor and some elbow grease. Two hours later, all the internals are dust free! Having said that, the card still is producing artifacts, so I decided to buy this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?nm_mc=AFC-SlickDeals&cm_mmc=AFC-SlickDeals-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA&ItemList=Combo.431547) combo tonight for 51 shipped after rebate.

Not the best deal, but it's pretty good.

Then, I went and looked at DDR2 ram prices, 'cause for an extra 40-50 bucks I would have probably put in another 4GB for a total of 8GB. :lol: Little did I know that nobody uses DDR2 anymore so supply and demand has caused the prices to go up between 3-4x what they were two years ago. Wow, that is pretty crazy to think about!

Anyway, should be here soon enough and should be a pretty sizable upgrade in video performance (though I'm not much of a gamer). Maybe I'll start once I get the new card.

Maciej
2010-07-21, 20:51
I have this awful itch to build a rig for some reason, I'm just searching for a sliver of justification... :lol:

torifile
2010-07-21, 21:27
I have this awful itch to build a rig for some reason, I'm just searching for a sliver of justification... :lol:

Do it! My build is perfect. Aside from the strange difficulty I have with getting the OS X side of things recognizing my airport extreme connected printer. I'm looking at building a budget hackintosh in the next couple of months.

Partial
2010-07-29, 00:19
As an FYI, the 220 GT is very poorly supported prior to 10.6.2. Once you upgrade to 10.6.3 CI/QE kick in and it flies!