MC: Managing client-side mods

[Brad]

If you're no longer using Feed The Beast or some other prepackaged mod pack, you may find yourself missing out on some of the handy client-side mods that those packs supplied. I few mods I like to keep installed when playing vanilla include OptiFine (http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/249637-optifine), Rei's Minimap (http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/482147-reisminimap), and InventoryTweaks (http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1720872-inventorytweaks).

As I promised in the in-game chat, here's a very quick tutorial on easily getting these client mods running with a "vanilla" Minecraft installation. I do not promise that these instructions will work for everyone, all mods, or all versions. Your mileage my vary and you're on your own if this doesn't work for you.

Step 1: Acquire mods
Find and download the mods you want to use. Make note whether or not they are Forge mods. Read the installation instructions. Download any mod dependencies if necessary.

Step 2: Deal with Forge
If any of your mods require Forge, download a recent Forge installer (http://files.minecraftforge.net/). Run the installer jar, quit it, and restart Minecraft. You should have a new Forge release available if you edit your profile in the Minecraft launcher. Select the Forge version and start Minecraft. You may see Minecraft downloading stuff the first time. This is normal. Once Minecraft is running, quit Minecraft.

Step 3: Install Forge plugins
If any of your mods use Forge, put them in your ~/library/application support/minecraft/mods folder. InventoryTweaks and Rei's Minimap should both go there if you use them.

Step 4: Deal with non-Forge plugins
If any of your mods do not use Forge, you should use Magic Launcher (www.minecraftforum.net/topic/939149-magic-launcher) to manage them to keep things easy. If you don't use something like Magic Launcher, you're going to have to manually extract and rebuild jar files. Good luck with that if it's your cup of tea; I'll pass! So, put your non-Forge plugins somewhere (preferably *not* in the "mods" folder that Forge uses). Open Magic Launcher, click Setup, and click Add in the middle "Mods" section. Find and add your non-Forge mods.

Step 5: Deal with a mixed Forge *and* non-Forge environment
If you have a mix of Forge and non-Forge mods, do all of the previous steps, but amend Step 4 slightly. When you hit Setup, choose the Forge environment from the menu at the top. Once everything is set up, it should look something (but probably not exactly) like this:

http://i.imgur.com/uFFHZln.png

Yes, it's OK that ReiMinimap has the redtext message in the status field.

Step 6: Deal with incompatibilities

They're bound to happen, but it's up to you to resolve them. For example, OptiFine is generally angry with Forge and requires you to set "-Dfml.ignorePatchDiscrepancies=true" as a JVM parameter. Always read the installation instructions that come with mods; people tend to have already figured out and documented these issues.

Dunzo.

[drewprops]

Does this work with the thingy we're running now?

My guess this note is for people running the Feed the Beast version on their own machines, privately.

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[Brad]

This works on our current server. I've been on this setup for the last week, and InvaderJak and gerlocian have recently set up something similar on their own.

This basically makes some of the client-side-only mods from FTB available with our current setup.

[drewprops]

Oh well then it would be neat to have a "what's your favorite mod" discussion - I'm such an infrequent gamer I'd never go looking for things without recommendations.


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[drewprops]

This is a list of mods for 1.6.2 (http://modlist.mcf.li/list/1.6/1.6.2.php), for anybody else who's as dumb as I am about this.


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[billybobsky]

rarely now do you have to modify the minecraft.jar file -- most compatible mods build on forge or equivalent systems, even some of the more game changing mods (which does include optifine)...

[drewprops]

Okay, I know that it's easy for you guys, but I'm having problems getting any of the installer jars to work. Could you provide a little more hand-holding for the installation of the Forge thingy? I'm still plugging away but finding radically different variations in the process by various 13 year old boys with heavy accents. Is it part of help videos that the presenter is ALWAYS a minor from Latvia and a quiet talker to boot? Sheesh.

I thought that I nearly had the right course of action with this page.... LINKY (http://www.9minecraft.net/api-minecraft-forge/)

But no dice.




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[Brad]

I'll put something together for you later tonight, cap'n.

[drewprops]

Dellphi said that you're using a different launcher than the one that came with the vanilla installation... maybe that's my problem?


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[Brad]

Yeah, see Step 4 and the link to Magic Launcher.

I didn't get a chance to put together more detailed instructions tonight. I'll make a video tomorrow night showing the step-by-step process.

[Brad]

Youtube to the rescue!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duUjtS-EDXM

Here's the tutorial video I promised, Drew. Sorry for the delay! This should get you at least through steps 1, 2, and 3 above.

Please excuse the occasional pops on the audio. I don't have a fancy microphone screen or anything like the professionals do.

[drewprops]

OMG Brad sounds like a nerd.

Edit: a really professional nerd. No "erms" or "uhhhs". Good work.

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[RowdyScot]

Brad's voice is not what I expected. O_o

[Brad]

The illusion is shattered. :(

Though I am quite curious how you expected me to sound. :lol:
I'll be making another video tomorrow showing how to get Magic Launcher working appropriately with Forge and non-Forge mods.

[drewprops]

Please make sure to mention in the next video if it should come BEFORE or after the first video :)


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[Brad]

As promised, here's part two!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knEkH7DaK4U

This should get you through steps 4 and 5 from the first post.

I considered faking an accent for this one, but I gave up when I realized it could only make things worse.

[RowdyScot]

I'd almost imagined your voice as more like Nick from Grimm or something like that. Just not what I expected - not meant in a bad way! :lol:

There's a part of me that wonders about doing some sort of Team Speak for the server (shatter ALL the illusions!), but I know not all of us would have mics and be able to do something like that. :D

[SpecMode]

Yeah, I had suggested that a while back. The reception to the idea was, by and large...less then enthusiastic. Still, I'd be willing to give it a shot at some point - for the amusement value, if nothing else. :D

[drewprops]

Dellphi and I have played Minecraft while talking on the phone and it's a lot of fun.

The Ventrillo server thing is apparently pretty common to other gamers.

The advantage of Ventrillo over Skype (I'm told) is that in Skype one person has to be the linchpin of the conversation.
If they "hang up" the whole conversation is taken offline.

Ventrillo acts as a meeting room that anybody can enter and leave (I think?)

With 2 people it's a lot of fun, with 5 it would probably be bedlam - but I've never played multi-player games with voice communication before. I know people play it on their gaming consoles on those military adventure first person shooter games.



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[Brad]

So... have these instructions actually been useful to anyone? :confused:

I was chatting with turtle in-game, and even though he followed my steps, it seems that Optifine was still having serious performance problems for him.

One thing you may want to try if you're also having issues with Optifine is experimenting with the different editions of Optifine. The developer releases standard, ultimate, light, and sometimes more versions. It's really unclear which is supposed to be the best for any given environment. So, experimentation is almost mandatory.

[Elysium]

Instructions worked fine for me.

[drewprops]

WHAT other mods are you people using?

What do you recommend that I give a whirl?



Brad, I've used the first instructions and they worked great.

The trick was knowing to select the asterisk - how was I supposed to know to do that previously?? (to no one in particular)

I haven't tried the optifine part yet. While I do like some of the stuff it does I don't like the way it does water for some reason. Still, I may try it out for its ability to give me sniper mode.

[Bryson]

Yeah, I can't get Optifine to work at all. It says it's working in the launcher, but once the game boots, it's not there. I can live without it (I get about 25fps without, and more like 40 when it used to work).

[Brad]

The trick was knowing to select the asterisk - how was I supposed to know to do that previously?? (to no one in particular)
Pretty sure I said "asterisk" in my narration of the Forge video. :)

I haven't tried the optifine part yet. While I do like some of the stuff it does I don't like the way it does water for some reason.
Like everything else OptiFine modifies, you can turn off the customization and have it use "default" water settings.

[drewprops]

Oh now, I was saying that your video SHOWED that to me!!! Thank you for that little detail, it made ALL the difference in the world!

I really love the flying mod!!! Woo hoo!!!

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[709]

Just loaded the REI and Sort Loot mods, but now Magic Launcher is giving me shit.

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The vanilla MC launcher works fine with both the new mods installed, but Magic Launcher has seen fit to pull a fit. Any suggestions?

(I didn't put squat into the .jar file like it's accusing. For one I wouldn't have the first clue how to do that.)


[edit] For example, OptiFine is generally angry with Forge and requires you to set "-Dfml.ignorePatchDiscrepancies=true" as a JVM parameter. How does one do this? I think this may be the problem.

[edit2]: Oh shits. After some searching I'm realizing this is far above my pay grade... no way am I digging into this shit. Vanilla it is! :D

[turtle]

Found it Drew!

[drewprops]

bump ^^ on account of the new 1.6.4 update


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[turtle]

This forge: http://files.minecraftforge.net/minecraftforge/minecraftforge-installer-1.6.4-9.11.1.916.jar

This Inventory Tweaks: http://build.technicpack.net/job/Inventory-Tweaks/77/artifact/build/out/InventoryTweaks-MC1.6.2-1.56-b77.jar

Mini Map worked fine for me.

I did have to wipe my whole "minecraft" folder though. Mine still had Tekkit, FTB and beta stuff from MC in it though. It was my original MC folder. :)

[RowdyScot]

Hey Brad, I went to install Rei's Minimap with MagicLauncher. I'm getting everything to appear similar to your setup with it, but when I go to actually play, there's nothing there. Not sure if I'm just missing something along the way? Or is there an issue with it not being updated 1.6.4?

[Brad]

Here's the updated thread for Rei's Minimap: http://forum.minecraftuser.jp/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=153

Download compatible with 1.6.4 is here: http://adf.ly/937215/reimm-164