Apple Nova and Google

[oldmacfan]

This week it came as a shock to me when overnight the google results for "Appleinsider" did not list us as third or fourth. I haven't found us yet.

Why I found this odd is that on my one and only PC, I do not keep bookmarks (don't ask). I just type what I want into google, hit enter, and click the link I want. We have been number three or four since I started this practice 3 months ago, before then the need to surf via a PC was non-existant. I keep checking, but have not found us when using that search.

So what changed?

Yes, I know I am lazy but all I do is type an a and the browser fills in the rest.

[alcimedes]

Try Applenova if you want our forums.

[oldmacfan]

Try Applenova if you want our forums.
I never took much to the name AppleNova.com; I like appleinsider.org. I just found a reference to a post at position number 41. Someone did something, to stop ai.org from showing up in the top 5 results. The point wasn't how to find us, it was that we vanished overnight.

To me it smells fishy. Even the number 41 spot didn't say anything about ai.org, it referenced a Viva post that mentioned AI.com. Also alot of the references on that first page are to year plus old articles. I have tried this on several machines and browsers, so that isn't the issue.

[Brad]

Seriously, though, why on earth would you expect a search for AppleInsider to point here at all? :confused:

We don't use the word AppleInsider anywhere on the site except, as you found, really old news and forum posts. We haven't used it in nearly a year. Google isn't going to magically show us in a high ranking for a term that less only 1% of our pages contain.

[atomicbartbeans]

What's AppleInsider... am I missing something?

I've only been here since January, so I think I need a history lesson.

[alcimedes]

Google ranks on what's linked to a site, and the popularity of a site. We don't use the term, it belongs to another website. We are Applenova. If you want to find out about our forums, Applenova is the way to find them. The distinction between Appleinsider.org (from over a year ago) to Appleinsider.com is miniscule, and at this point I don't expect us to show up on Google anymore under Appleinsider.anything.

That's the breaks. I'm sorry if you don't like the name Applenova, but that's what won the vote off, and that's what we've got. We're not really .org at this point, and I don't think we're ever going to be. We actually became a seperate entity, which is what we were hoping we would become. Searching for anything else shouldn't really return a hit for our website. That's not what/who we are anymore. :)

Try Think Secret Forums as another set of search terms. That's who we are affiliated with. :D

I'm also totally smashed at this point, so if this post sucks. Lick me. :)

[LudwigVan]

AppleInsider (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=appleinsider&btnG=Google+Search)

Plus, read the "Viva la Revolucion" forum.

[windowsblowsass]

i am glad that at least now were openly calling it apple insider and not that place of which we do not speak ;)

[oldmacfan]

Seriously, though, why on earth would you expect a search for AppleInsider to point here at all? :confused:

We don't use the word AppleInsider anywhere on the site except, as you found, really old news and forum posts. We haven't used it in nearly a year. Google isn't going to magically show us in a high ranking for a term that less only 1% of our pages contain.


Google did up until Tuesday. Why would it change overnight? That is the question. I found it odd, and I stated so.

[oldmacfan]

Google ranks on what's linked to a site, and the popularity of a site. We don't use the term, it belongs to another website. We are Applenova. If you want to find out about our forums, Applenova is the way to find them. The distinction between Appleinsider.org (from over a year ago) to Appleinsider.com is miniscule, and at this point I don't expect us to show up on Google anymore under Appleinsider.anything.

That's the breaks. I'm sorry if you don't like the name Applenova, but that's what won the vote off, and that's what we've got. We're not really .org at this point, and I don't think we're ever going to be. We actually became a seperate entity, which is what we were hoping we would become. Searching for anything else shouldn't really return a hit for our website. That's not what/who we are anymore. :)

Try Think Secret Forums as another set of search terms. That's who we are affiliated with. :D

I'm also totally smashed at this point, so if this post sucks. Lick me. :)

:p :p :p Is that enough licking...

I know how google works, it worked just fine till the other night, then boom as if someone turned off a lightswitch. Appleinsider.org still points us.

[oldmacfan]

Just a note that AppleNova has returned to #3. Google has fixed the problem and I am happy again.

[Ryan]

Did anyone else notice this link (http://www.zolton.org/2005/05/why-i-hate-internet.html) when you search for "applenova"? It's on the second page, third down.

:lol:

edit: Its not there anymore. Google no longer shows that page as a result for that search term. It just changed.

:err:

[Bryson]

Thats the guy who's Brad's biggest fan, right? Seen it...

[thuh Freak]

What's AppleInsider... am I missing something?

I've only been here since January, so I think I need a history lesson.
AppleNova, as the site is currently known, began as a response to an incident that occurred at the forums at AppleInsider.com. One of the original domains was appleinsider.org. Most (all?) of the original members (who signed up the first day, ie with low uids) came from AI.com. as mentioned earlier, you can find more information in the revolution thread (some of us were referring to the move from AI.com->AI.org as the Revolution*).

* Almost no blood was actually shed.

[Brad]

Did anyone else notice this link (http://www.zolton.org/2005/05/why-i-hate-internet.html) when you search for "applenova"? It's on the second page, third down.

:lol: Indeed. I thought I'd seen some reclusive, paranoia-stricken geeks before, but that guy takes the cake!

[onlyafterdark]

Hahahahaha, I remember him. Maybe we should send him a cake. :D

[alcimedes]

Too bad he's still awaing e-mail confirmation. What a blowhard.

[Luca]

Did anyone else notice this link (http://www.zolton.org/2005/05/why-i-hate-internet.html) when you search for "applenova"? It's on the second page, third down.

:lol:

edit: Its not there anymore. Google no longer shows that page as a result for that search term. It just changed.

:err:
:lol: Ah yes, him. That was pretty recent (obviously, since it talks about Tiger).

I love the "0 comments" thing at the bottom. Poor guy doesn't have any friends :p

[alcimedes]

I was going to comment then realized i didn't want to break his perfect record.

[sunrain]

:lol: Ah yes, him. That was pretty recent (obviously, since it talks about Tiger).

I love the "0 comments" thing at the bottom. Poor guy doesn't have any friends :p
That's not true. He has his morbidly obese cats (http://www.flickr.com/photos/zolton), a penis ashtray and a chance encounter with Tom Savini to keep him warm at night. Jesus, I just realized this jerk is from my town.

Edit: You know, if we really wanted to send him a cake, I figured out where he works...

"Zolton, you take the cake. - Love, Applenova"

Could be brilliant. Or stupid.

[DMBand0026]

Hahahahaha, I remember him. Maybe we should send him a cake. :D

Yeah, him. He was a character alright. By the way, w00t! we got mentioned in a blog on teh interweb!!1one! We've acieved 1337 h@x0rz status!1one!!

What's next for AppleNova? Who knows, we may just take over the world!

[Franz Josef]

Did anyone else notice this link (http://www.zolton.org/2005/05/why-i-hate-internet.html) when you search for "applenova"? It's on the second page, third down.


Surreal :lol: and I'm sorry to say infantile :no:

[mike]

That's not true. He has his morbidly obese cats (http://www.flickr.com/photos/zolton), a penis ashtray and a chance encounter with Tom Savini to keep him warm at night. Jesus, I just realized this jerk is from my town.

Edit: You know, if we really wanted to send him a cake, I figured out where he works...

"Zolton, you take the cake. - Love, Applenova"

Could be brilliant. Or stupid.
I find all of this to be sad and pathetic. The fact that a group of this forum's users would deride and antagonize a fellow forum member for voicing his frustration with the lack of respect and courtesy shown to him when he asked a simple and relevent question merely re-enforces the statements he made in his blog posting. The fact that you cannot even see the relevancy of his statement is even more telling. It's users like yourselves who help to propogate the idea that Apple users are elitists who honestly believe they're better than everyone else. On the whole, I don't believe it's true but for the small sampling I see on this forum, it definitely is. Enjoy your feelings of superiority while it lasts for when you actually get out of school (if you ever do), you will all discover that the world is not high school, or college or grad school or even the vaunted halls of academia. It's cut throat and ruthless and those with the air of superiority are the selected first targets.

[thuh Freak]

I find all of this to be sad and pathetic. The fact that a group of this forum's users would deride and antagonize a fellow forum member for voicing his frustration with the lack of respect and courtesy shown to him when he asked a simple and relevent question merely re-enforces the statements he made in his blog posting. The fact that you cannot even see the relevancy of his statement is even more telling. It's users like yourselves who help to propogate the idea that Apple users are elitists who honestly believe they're better than everyone else. On the whole, I don't believe it's true but for the small sampling I see on this forum, it definitely is. Enjoy your feelings of superiority while it lasts for when you actually get out of school (if you ever do), you will all discover that the world is not high school, or college or grad school or even the vaunted halls of academia. It's cut throat and ruthless and those with the air of superiority are the selected first targets.
first of all, your opinion differs from mine, so i'd appreciate it if you would just die, please. thanks.

second, i'm outta school. and (not so) merrily employed and feeding the economy. um, i feel like i should add: shithead?

/i'm not sure if i'm feeling mean or just joking. interpret as you see fit. :confused: :|

[Brad]

The fact that a group of this forum's users would deride and antagonize a fellow forum member for voicing his frustration with the lack of respect and courtesy shown to him when he asked a simple and relevent question merely re-enforces the statements he made in his blog posting.
For the record, Mike, this is the thread in question: Downgrade to Panther - how? (http://forums.applenova.com/showthread.php?t=7106)

I still don't see why he exploded and started accusing me of being childish. I tried to help him and offered several avenues of resolving his problems and that's my thanks?

Really, though, let's give it a rest. There's no need to open old wounds.

[alcimedes]

Zolton there did hook me up with a link to Night of the Living Dead in his blog, so he can't be all bad. :D

[sunrain]

I find all of this to be sad and pathetic.
Thanks for posting and welcome to AppleNova!

[mike]

For the record, Mike, this is the thread in question: Downgrade to Panther - how? (http://forums.applenova.com/showthread.php?t=7106)

I still don't see why he exploded and started accusing me of being childish. I tried to help him and offered several avenues of resolving his problems and that's my thanks?

Really, though, let's give it a rest. There's no need to open old wounds.
Yes, I did, in fact, read the thread in question. I agree with mczolton. Your tone was condescending and rude. Really, posting links back to the software vendor's site without knowing the history behind his complaint, which was only brought up because you asked, was childish at best. Further, it's the forum members here that are "opening old wounds." Just take a gander at everything your forum buddies have said. They're picking on his cat for Christ's sake. Not to mention calling him stupid, infantile, blowhard, paranoia-stricken and a jerk. All because he called you out on your tone and then complained on his own blog about the arrogance of today's internet users. How is that me opening old wounds? I think you'd better look around at your forum buddies as they're the culprits here.

[Brad]

Ladies and gents, say hello to Mark Zolton's (http://www.blogger.com/profile/6864709) (aka mczolton) good friend, Michael Culey (http://www.blogger.com/profile/9440631)! :) Nice work coming back to attack us, acting like some anonymous defender. What happened? Did you and Mark see a spike of hits in your server logs coming from AppleNova.com?

Or am I wrong and should we be confused that zolton.org (http://www.zolton.org/) is linked to by friedcherries.org (http://friedcherries.org/) (from your e-mail) which is run by Michael D. Culey (http://michael.culeyville.com/home/)? Whatever the case, it all seems a bit silly to come in here to defend a dead, pointless subject like this.

[sunrain]

...whatever the case, it all seems a bit silly...
Brad, I think the phrase you're looking for is...

"I find all of this to be sad and pathetic."

Edit: :lol:

[julesstoop]

So he does have friends! Now, that's good news for him.

[mike]

Ladies and gents, say hello to Mark Zolton's (http://www.blogger.com/profile/6864709) (aka mczolton) good friend, Michael Culey (http://www.blogger.com/profile/9440631)! :) Nice work coming back to attack us, acting like some anonymous defender. What happened? Did you and Mark see a spike of hits in your server logs coming from AppleNova.com?

Or am I wrong and should we be confused that zolton.org (http://www.zolton.org/) is linked to by friedcherries.org (http://friedcherries.org/) (from your e-mail) which is run by Michael D. Culey (http://michael.culeyville.com/home/)? Whatever the case, it all seems a bit silly to come in here to defend a dead, pointless subject like this.

Wow! Brad knows how to use a Web browser! Bow down to the King Prawn! Notice how quickly he moves from telling everyone to stop the link to attacking me? He's merely trying to draw attention away from the fact that he and his forum members are rude and unsavory. And again, I'd like to point out that I didn't start this whole shit-storm. Your forum members did when they attacked Mark. You're defending your fellow forum members and I'm defending a friend. Unfortunately for you, I'm the one that's right here.

[709]

Unfortunately for you, I'm the one that's right here.

Birds of a feather, as they say.

[alcimedes]

Of course, if your flock consists of two birds..........

Maybe we're not the odd ones out. :D

[mike]

Just to beat a dead horse, I'd like to point out that you are all violating your own guidelines for the AppleNova forums. Specificly items 4 and 6:


4. Ad-hominem attacks of forum members will not be tolerated. We understand that things get heated, but it helps to maintain a modicum of respect for the membership. Attack ideas, not people. Be open-minded and try to help foster meaningful discussion. Yes, meaningful discussion is possible if everyone respects each other.

6. Respect the privacy of fellow forum members. Hopefully this will not be an issue, but do not post personal information or pictures of a member without that member's approval. Disputed information will be deleted.

For those of you who have never read these guidelines, their content can be found here: Posting Guidelines (http://forums.applenova.com/guidelines.shtml).

I'd say a good 70% of this thread has been in violation of guideline 4 and
in reference to item 6, an administrator (Brad) is the one who specifically broke this guideline. Neither myself nor mczolton had logged any personal information about who we are in our profiles and yet full names and web addresses were posted without our permission. Yes, that information is freely available on the web yet neither of us had opted to post it here. Guidelines are useless unless they're followed and forum members take their queues for acceptable behavior from the admins. If you're going to have admins who don't follow your own rules either get rid of the admin or get rid of the guidelines.

[709]

I find all of this to be sad and pathetic.It's users like yourselves who help to propogate the idea that Apple users are elitistsEnjoy your feelings of superiority while it lasts for when you actually get out of school (if you ever do)Wow! Brad knows how to use a Web browser! Bow down to the King Prawn!...he and his forum members are rude and unsavory.
Now fuck off.

[mike]

I'm merely following the example set forth by Brad the Administrator in appropriate discourse for this forum. My point is merely that this forum does not follow its own guidelines. I hope you enjoyed your use of that expletive because I imagine that's as close as you'll ever get to the real thing.

[709]

[edit]:...screw it...waste of my time...

[johnq]

Jesus...that cat looks familiar....

http://www.nullface.com/ai/cat.jpg

[onlyafterdark]

Could it be?!?!? I better phone up CNN about this breaking news.

Now where is murbot and his delightful picture?