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El Gallo
Formerly “MumboJumbo”
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
 
2017-05-13, 11:37

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Originally Posted by Dr. Bobsky View Post
Heh. The immigration numbers were reducing before Trump was elected, now you can claim that this is because of Trump but that's a bit backwards, no? Just like full employment occurred as a ramification of Obama's policies, and yet some (idiots) are crowing about Trump's economy.
The better question is.....does it matter? Obviously employment has improved but not in the areas and for people who voted for Trump. They mentioned this and were told they were clinging to God, their guns and their privilege and were sent on their way. This is why the Rust Belt states turned. Overstaying Visas, abuse of H1-B Visas and other immigration concerns have been somewhat addressed via record deportations. You are correct there but that doesn't mean the points mentioned regarding self-deportation and not creating a welcome environment (along with a promise of a wall) weren't true as well.

The concerns of the voters were expressed. They are valid and continuing to ignore them will net more of the same. Screaming "Demographics" isn't a plan.

Finally let's remember my own view. My own view is that there is a recession coming regardless of who is president and we have bubbles in the stock market, auto sales, student loans and that the false growth created by $10 trillion in borrowing is coming due and no one, Trump or otherwise, can stop it.

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The Supreme court was not Trump's victory (though its good to recognize you are Trump's man when it comes to promoting his excuses for his failures) -- it is Mitch McConnell's. So you list two accomplishments and neither are Trump's. Good job.
I doubt the typical voter will make the distinction you claim or even care. Would you care to explain your reasoning whereby Neil M. Gorsuch on the Supreme Court is a failure? Are you honestly claiming that no Republican or Democrat framed this election in terms of the outcomes for the Supreme Court? Further are you claiming that McConnell would have somehow put a Neil M. Gorsuch on the court with a President Clinton?

I mean besides nitpicking and being smug what are you really saying?

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Let's be clear about the special elections: you claimed the GOP was gaining seats (or rather all special elections have gone to the GOP which directly implies they have gained seats considering the elections have come in districts where both democrats and republicans were incumbants). It was not. It has seen its support erode in actual numbers of votes committed. If you think this is meaningless, then fine. But you are mistaken about what has happened to the GOP's electoral chances since the election. They are finding it harder to win. Harder. Hence the panic resource devotion. Ignoring this all the while mocking the Democrats for having (to you) no electoral strategy is more than just a bit stupid.

Lastly, you like strawmen, Nick. You are arguing about perceptions of arguments from liberals or centrists in the US. You are not arguing about actual arguments. So please quit with this Trump is literally Hitler bullshit as if that was put forward by the Democratic party.
Let's be clear. I'm not claiming a Connecticut State Senator seat is going to be used to judge Trump performance 100 days into his administration. It is clear however that a narrative is trying to be crafted regarding Trump and electoral outcomes for Congress. We can look here and see how they go.

As for whether someone is finding it harder to win. The exception isn't the rule. Special elections by definition are the exception. The point of Democrats dumping massive money into a few small special elections is so that they can use media surrogates to claim just the opposite of course.

As for the Trump and Hitler bits. Say what you want. I know what I've read about Trump and normalizing him or the fear or normalization. A quick websearch will turn up a few hundred results and plenty are from sources you'd consider valid.
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