[turtle]

So the crux of if abortion is ok really boils down to if you call it murder.

No civilized country is it legal to murder at will.

If the baby is a baby from conception, then it is murder to kill it. Period.

If the baby isn't a baby until X weeks of gestation, then it isn't murder if you kill it before that time.

All of this Nazi, religion, organs... etc... is just masking the point.

When is the baby a baby and when is it murder. That is the bottom line. States have laws to criminalize murder. Having a law to criminalize murdering a baby is not out of line nor it is extreme.

So at what point do we call it a human, at that point killing it is murder. Freedom of choice sounds great, unless you argue I should be able to walk around and kill people at will at any age because I should have the choice.