Yikes. I haven't had to do one of these in a long time.
I'm closing this thread now because no good will come of it if it keeps going. There is no argument that can be made here that will seriously convince someone else to change their views on religion, agnosticism, atheism, organizations of those large or small, etc. "Debating" or pointing out flaws or logical fallacies or inconsistencies or digging up and correcting historical records in this kind of venue will only end with people getting upset at each other. It's happened plenty of times before here and elsewhere. You and I both know it.
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