great discussion, thanks for all the input!
what i still wonder is, if you can build phpBB etc with PHP why not corporate sites? is there a technical limitation or a limitation of the mind? i can't see what's so extremely complex about a business site compared phpBB or vBulletin (this forum..).
sorry if i'm missing the point but i still don't have the answer. why do buyers not see PHP as suitable for 'enterprise'?
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