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Shouldn't be hard for Apple to do, AMD already has.
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Apple knows what the processor requirements are at the low and high ends of the Mac market. I imagine that literally the first thing they did when they decided to investigate A-chips was to say to the engineers: "Can we match the Intel chip used in the Mac Pro?" Apple is not a company that aims for the midrange. It's simply not in their DNA. The new Mac Pro was probably introduced late last year in order to give Cupertino two years to concentrate on the rest of the line. |
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Of course Apple will still have limits, TSMC is already loaded up making chips for, well just about everyone other than Intel. We’ve already seen AMD, and Apple iPhone availability limited by TSMC and Samsung fab space, so at peak demand it is a real issue. The only way for Apple to truly be free from delays would be their own fabs, it’s not like they don’t have the cash.
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If Apple wanted to do it, which I don’t see them doing, they could buy the experience. By that I mean they could buy smaller fabs and recruit the people they need to move them forward. Apple bought PA Semi for their design knowledge, there is no reason they couldn’t do the same with a fab. Again I doubt they will, but they could, as it would mean less dependence on competitors for fab space.
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Oh, I'm not saying they can't buy the tech/experience, just that they don't actually "make" anything. They design stuff; they do not "make" it. This is why none of Apple's products say "Made by Apple in California", but they all say "Designed by Apple in California". Apple is not a manufacturing company, and I believe this is one of the key reasons why they are so successful. They do not carry the overhead of vast manufacturing centers and all of their included employee-relations nightmares (unions and staffing and training and such). Rather, they leave that headache to companies who are very good at it. Apple simply (ha!) draws up a set of plans, submits those plans to contractors, and then hawks over them for quality control purposes. Their corporate buyouts are all related to design experience, not manufacturing experience (although there is some of that, but not for make things; rather, it is so they understand the processes for quality control and efficiency's sake).
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That's what I'm saying, though. Under Jobs, in the early 2000s, the last Apple manufacturing plants in Elk Grove (California) and Cork (Ireland) were dismantled. I don't see Cook reversing that policy unless there are really good reasons to. Even if the new plant were largely automated and required little labor, I just feel it's not an area they want to compete in. (And, that's kind of good. They seem to be doing more and more things and losing focus.)
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Well, it is now official. "Apple Silicon" is a thing, and there are development machines running an A12Z. And, yes, I was right. They had to announce it now, because there was an official announcement of Mac Ax systems later this year.
This makes me supremely happy. Also, emulators and virtualization and compatibility have all been thought of, solutions announced, and holy cow Intel is gonna be out within 2 years. And that means Mac Pro towers will be running Apple's proprietary silicon in 2021 or 2022, and, yes, those systems have to be under development as I type this. Whoo and Hoo! - AppleNova is the best Mac-users forum on the internet. We are smart, educated, capable, and helpful. We are also loaded with smart-alecks! :) - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Mat 5:9) |
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I'm tempted to get on but have a feeling I really don't want it. It is so temping though. I'm guessing I would be approved if I apply anyway though. I have no active apps so my chances are pretty slim.
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When I was a kid, people who did wrong were punished, restricted, and forbidden. Now, when someone does wrong, all of the rest of us are punished, restricted, and forbidden... and the one who did the wrong is counselled and "understood" and fed ice cream. |
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Apple's had about 5 years of weeding out all the old code from Mac apps that would have backed things up.
Any software that runs on a modern Mac is fairly new and cleanly written to Apple specs. I know nothing about coding. But knowing Microsoft, there's probably DOS or parallel port code hidden somewhere in Windows that will break everything. |
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I mean, it's entirely possible that either I'm reading too much into this or Apple didn't speak as precisely as they should (or both), but unless I missed something, Apple said Rosetta 2 would work with any old app (not just theirs), so they can't assume too much about how recently it was written or which APIs it uses. When I was a kid, people who did wrong were punished, restricted, and forbidden. Now, when someone does wrong, all of the rest of us are punished, restricted, and forbidden... and the one who did the wrong is counselled and "understood" and fed ice cream. |
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I'm sure Rosetta 2 will work with only 64bit apps, so anything that doesn't work with 10.15 is out.
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There were still lots of older 32bit apps out there, even ones that were actively supported until recently. That was what I was getting at.
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I guess I don’t understand your point then. Or I missed something in the announcement (entirely possible).
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10.15 dropped support for all 32bit apps, thus, "Apple said Rosetta 2 would work with any old app" isn't actually going to be the case. It will be compatible with all currently supported apps is what they are really saying.
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Well, yeah, but “currently supported” goes back a decade, if the developer made them 64-bit.
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who cares? that's the overwhelming majority of them.
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I took it that all apps running on Intel hardware under MacOS Catalina would be supported by Apple Silicon running Big Sur and later. I did not read or hear anything that there would be any support whatsoever for any other legacy code.
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— Also of note: The Apple DTK does not have support for Thunderbolt. So, is Apple abandoning Thunderbolt 3 in favor of USB-C? Can Thunderbolt even function in a non-Intel environment? Is it a PCI-e thing? What gives as far as I/O is concerned? - AppleNova is the best Mac-users forum on the internet. We are smart, educated, capable, and helpful. We are also loaded with smart-alecks! :) - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Mat 5:9) Last edited by kscherer : 2020-06-23 at 13:26. |
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Apple may well be looking at Thunderbolt and realizing that it just isn't "taking off" the way they had hoped. We sell almost no Thunderbolt accessories, but we sell a ton of USB-C stuff. It seems that, not only is USB-C fast enough for almost all users, but that it also supports enough underlying tech (HDMI, DisplayPort, Ethernet, VGA, DVI, USB—duh!, power, etc.) that there is very little need for TB3 at all.
The one thing that stands out, though, is that XDR display, which is Thunderbolt. Will that thing be a one trick pony? — And then there is this. If VMware runs, then I imagine Windows runs on it. - AppleNova is the best Mac-users forum on the internet. We are smart, educated, capable, and helpful. We are also loaded with smart-alecks! :) - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Mat 5:9) Last edited by kscherer : 2020-06-23 at 15:16. |
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