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2020-10-13, 14:46

I've only watched the first 7 minutes of the video so far, and it's so… boring. Formulaic. Predictable.

Some of the effects are really neat, like the rotate-pan-zoom from Tim Cook's HomePod mini to a living room with Nondescript HomePod Manager Dude, but… when everything's a superlative, nothing is.

I'm mildly interested in the HomePod mini. Maybe even two. Why on earth did they have to make them only grey and white, though? You can do a mesh in different colors! Like some teal-ish blue or brown-ish red or whatever, like JBL does: https://de.jbl.com/smart-speaker/LIN...peaker#start=1
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2020-10-13, 14:53

Another meh event from Apple. iPhone 12 Mini and MagSafe magnetic charging is interesting, but not exciting. No reason to upgrade from the XS I’m using now. No G5 networks here, so useless. HomePod Mini, who cares?

I want to see the Apple silicon Mac Mini, maybe next fall.
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2020-10-13, 15:02

iPhone 12 Pro Max in Pacific Blue....... MINE!!! Will be breaking my streak of black phones finally.

Though after that I will probably start keeping my phones longer again. Unless the 13 is radically redesigned outside of a smaller notch/removal of the lighting port, better cameras/SoC can only go so far for me. The only reason I have been upgrading every year because there was something I wanted out of the new phone. I joined the Apple Upgrade Program with the 7 Plus the jump to the iPhone X was a no brainer. XS brought back the Plus form factor, and the 11 Pro Max did add the ultra wide camera which I wanted to use for my Italy trip last year. 12 Pro brings 5G and a redesign. So I may opt to keep the 12 Pro Max longer and leave the upgrade program.

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2020-10-13, 15:04

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I want to see the Apple silicon Mac Mini, maybe next fall.
November.

I hope.
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2020-10-13, 15:07

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2020-10-13, 15:40

We all know they'll roll out new meshes for the HomePods in a subsequent release - accessorizing being popular.

It will be interesting to see what kind of uses the LIDAR will lead to in handsets.

My first act will be to survey my backyard to see if I find any Mayan ruins.



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2020-10-13, 15:52

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My first act will be to survey my backyard to see if I find any Mayan ruins.
If you find Mayan ruins in your backyard, three things are going to happen:

1) The archaeology community is going to go bananas;

2) You are going to be rich;

3) You will be in the next Apple Keynote as a "see what iPhone can do for you" patsy!

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2020-10-13, 21:08

I love the colors of the iPhone 12, but hate to feel like I'm missing out on features of the Pro, especially with the cameras.

Looks like I'll be going to a 512GB iPhone 12 Pro in Blue. Love that color, and since I never put my iPhone in a case, I'll get to look at it for a while.

I've had the green for the last year, and while I like it, I like that Apple is switching it up with the colors each year.
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2020-10-14, 03:03

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November.

I hope.
Oooh. Exciting!
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2020-10-14, 06:07

They did promise they'll be shipping an ARM Mac to customers by the end of this year. Whether it's a Mac mini, I'm not sure.
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2020-10-14, 08:39

I doubt the Mini is high on the list. The MacBooks and iMacs will likely come first.
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2020-10-14, 09:17

Hard to say. Right now, what Mac is really in desperate need of an update?

If they hadn't shipped those Ice Lake MacBooks Air, I think they would've been the perfect candidate for an update. The Mac mini is also fairly old again at this point (one might argue it's because Intel suddenly decided not to do 'B' CPUs any more, but one might also argue it was an unforced error on Apple's part to use a weird special CPU).

My guess is they'll start with a new Air. Maybe they'll bring it back in 12- and 13-inch versions, replacing the 2015 12-inch MacBook and the 2018 Air, finally giving the two a consistent name, and giving them much longer battery life. They might make them fanless, too. That way, they don't have the awkwardness of the Air being faster in some tasks than the Pro.

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2020-10-14, 09:53

I assumed ARM would come to the Mini or Air first.
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2020-10-14, 11:11

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I assumed ARM would come to the Mini or Air first.
ARM came to the Mac Mini first.
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2020-10-14, 11:34

They don't call it a mini though, they call it a dev kit.
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2020-10-14, 14:26

Very strange to see Apple give so much time to Verizon and be doing weird incentives/offers on the Apple store specific to carriers.
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2020-10-14, 14:52

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weird incentives/offers on the Apple store specific to carriers.
They are?

The only thing I can see is a $30 difference between AT&T/Verizon and T-Mobile/Sprint models of iPhone 12 (not for the 12 Pro or any other phone model, just the 12 and the 12 Mini) . This may be due to a hardware difference in the phones, a carrier-specific activation charge, or some other mumbo-jumbo. Doesn't look very "incentivized" to me.

Am I missing something else?

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2020-10-14, 15:34

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They are?

The only thing I can see is a $30 difference between AT&T/Verizon and T-Mobile/Sprint models of iPhone 12 (not for the 12 Pro or any other phone model, just the 12 and the 12 Mini) . This may be due to a hardware difference in the phones, a carrier-specific activation charge, or some other mumbo-jumbo. Doesn't look very "incentivized" to me.

Am I missing something else?

Apple's store purchasing experience looks worse than a Staples webpage now.

Special Carrier Offers at Apple is plastere at the top of the store screen, there's about a dozen different prices shown, and different term lengths and monthly payments scattered all over the page and different trade-in values and offers, and clicking on ATT and Verizon brings up other "Special Trade-in Offers"
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2020-10-14, 15:43

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Very strange to see Apple give so much time to Verizon and be doing weird incentives/offers on the Apple store specific to carriers.
Yup. Not a great look. The weird offer is just iffy marketing, but the Verizon demo doesn't even make much sense to me? Did they feel defensive about not having 5G last year?
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2020-10-14, 15:52

Hmm …

I now see the "Special Carrier Offers at Apple" option, but I don't see all these different prices you speak of. I see carrier offers from AT&T and Verizon:

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Special Carrier Offers at Apple
Starting at pre-order, pay as low as $0/mo. over 30 mo. after trade-in and AT&T bill credits.1
Or pay as low as $11.95/mo. over 24 mo. after trade-in and Verizon bill credits.2
See AT&T offers See Verizon offers
… and see nothing else unless I click on the links. Otherwise, the page looks like every other Apple Store product purchase page.

Also, I priced out an iPhone 12 Mini and at the bottom it says the price includes an instant $30 AT&T discount, which makes me believe that AT&T and Verizon are paying Apple $30 for every iPhone sold on their networks.

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2020-10-14, 15:54

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Hmm …

I now see the "Special Carrier Offers at Apple" option, but I don't see all these different prices you speak of. I see carrier offers from AT&T and Verizon:



… and see nothing else unless I click on the links. Otherwise, the page looks like every other Apple Store product purchase page.

Also, I priced out an iPhone 12 Mini and at the bottom it says the price includes an instant $30 AT&T discount, which makes me believe that AT&T and Verizon are paying Apple $30 for every iPhone sold on their networks.
The iPhones 12 mini and 12 are listed as "from $699" and "from $799", but that's actually after a carrier discount. They really start at $729/$829.
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2020-10-14, 16:25

Yes, that I figured out.

But I still have not seen all of this other pricing confusion BU brought up. Region-specific websites, maybe?
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2020-10-14, 22:50

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I assumed ARM would come to the Mini or Air first.
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ARM came to the Mac Mini first.

Going to call it now... the real ARM Mac mini will have a footprint like an AppleTV but will be taller: Return of the Cube.
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2020-10-14, 22:57

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I've been waiting for Capella to dive in on that. If not, then tomorrow.
I was summoned to jury duty and was hanging out in a waiting area and missed most of this! Two days of that.
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2020-10-14, 23:07

Oh that is *shitty* timing.
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2020-10-14, 23:30

Yeah, it really is.
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2020-10-15, 05:58

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Going to call it now... the real ARM Mac mini will have a footprint like an AppleTV but will be taller: Return of the Cube.
I'm wondering why replacing an Intel chip with an ARM chip would lead to a bigger machine?

Remember folks, Apple tolerates the Mini, but doesn't love it. They are never going to make it truly competitive with the iMac range.

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2020-10-15, 09:18

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I was summoned to jury duty and was hanging out in a waiting area and missed most of this! Two days of that.
Exciting isn’t it? Luckily I only lost one day last winter, and wasn’t selected for a trial. Glad I wasn’t too, it was a case of a fender bender.
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2020-10-15, 11:43

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Going to call it now... the real ARM Mac mini will have a footprint like an AppleTV but will be taller: Return of the Cube.
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I'm wondering why replacing an Intel chip with an ARM chip would lead to a bigger machine?
Ah, I miscalculated. The Return of the Cube with an ATV's footprint.

So even if it's 4 inches high the total volume is smaller than the current model. Sorry, missed that.

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2020-10-15, 14:38

I like the current form factor, no need to make it taller. Smaller it could be, but taller? No thanks.
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