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But, I will say that while the current system will always try to defend against them, coups and revolutions per se don’t have to be bad. It’s how the US came to be in the first place. Germany also, in 1848, had a failed attempt to set up a republic (it already had some level of democratic reforms, but some people felt they didn’t go far enough and were an appeasement strategy); some of those ideas were eventually recycled a century later into the republic that still exists today. So… I think what it takes is a sentiment that the very system isn’t working for the citizen any more. Instead, in Germany, it’s more like various levels of “I disagree with these policies; they are dumb/go too far/go not far enough/whatever”. Whereas, the US increasingly seems to have “I don’t even believe the election took place in an orderly manner”. |
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U.S. Senator Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona said on Friday she is leaving the Democratic Party and registering as an independent, in an announcement just days after Democrats won a Senate race in Georgia to secure 51 seats in the 100-member chamber.
"Like a lot of Arizonans, I have never fit perfectly in either national party," Sinema said in an article for the Arizona Republic newspaper. Not entirely unexpected. Manchin is the other wild card in this. Both really are Democrat leaning, just the party seems to have moved on without them. There is a gem in this article that really fits the discussion here though: Quote:
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She still expects to keep her committee assignments, so she'll be caucusing with the Dems (like King and Sanders, both Independents). Meaningless, performative, attention seeking. Pure Sinema.
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I was actually thinking it was an attempt to ensure she keeps getting votes.
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She was already a goner in '24. Her approval rating in AZ was ~35% before this 'pay attention to meeeee!' stunt, and she has a real threat against her seat in Ruben Gallego. Now that Warnock has won the Georgia election the power she fed off of during the last 2 years is gone, so she's switching parties in the hope to remain a key player. She's toast and this is her last 2 years in Congress. 'The Tusli and Kyrsten Show' will premier on Fox News Real America's Voice in Jan 2025.
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The real fun in DC these days is predicting if Kevin McCarthy has the votes for Speaker. He needs 218, has 222 Rs so can only lose 4 votes, and reigning in the far-right Qaucus is like herding cats. We'll see. So it goes. |
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Yeah, I'm keeping a (bored and tired) eye on that one. Well sort of.
Really, all this political crap us just plain getting old. At this point to read posts by you, me and others who chime in it is like watching a football game. He made it to the 50, 40, 30, FUMBLE!!!! Holy crap that just happened... Insert another sensational article to stir up people's emotions. Anger, fear or any other will do. I mean, we both have our personal desires for how things should be governed. In the end, we can only vote and hope it works out the way we want right? Maybe do something like try to be an activist and push for donations, canvassing or whatever. Really though we are at the mercy of others choosing like we do. Louis L'Amour, “To make democracy work, we must be a nation of participants, not simply observers. One who does not vote has no right to complain.” Visit our archived Minecraft world! | Maybe someday I'll proof read, until then deal with it. |
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Also, since thinking about it, most Independents vote with Democrats, so … what even is the point? FWIW, I have no idea who she is and don't care. But I'll support whatever action gives Republicrats the biggest headache. - AppleNova is the best Mac-users forum on the internet. We are smart, educated, capable, and helpful. We are also loaded with smart-alecks! :) - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Mat 5:9) Last edited by kscherer : 2022-12-09 at 12:19. |
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Sitting US Senator for AZ. 'Independent' thinker (until she's paid not to). Perpetual preener. So, a non-partied politician that will be running on her character alone. Perfect, right? Toast. So it goes. |
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I don't buy that at all. Yes, politicians will fine-tune their message to appeal to the electorate. But most won't swing between wildly different takes based on what they currently think is popular.
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Not many of them, that’s for sure. Some of the younger ones seem a little more, let’s say adaptable.
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The majority of effective legislators who provide a genuine service to the people they represent probably come in as firebrands set on changing the system.
Most of them do not know how the system works. Some of them bang their head against the wall until they give up and leave or are voted out. Others are shaped by the system and learn how to work within it, some faster than others. If they survive the political tides they master the system and are able to legislate at a master level. I have never seen immediate success from sharp ideological changes in direction, because a population needs time to ingest new ideas into the general culture. This small but well known group of swing legislators command attention by being iconoclasts, but they play a dangerous game when it comes time to be reelected because populations are lazy and do not understand complex positions. She could make this work for her, if she makes it clear to voters that she is "not one of the regular legislators who always vote down party lines". In Georgia, Governor Brian Kemp managed to walk a line that allowed him to stand clear of Trump without disavowing Trump. It's weird math. |
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I'm not surprised at all about Sinema switching. She lost some of her power since she's not entirely needed for a tie breaker.
There are a lot of downfalls to a two party system and I completely get being underwhelmed and disappointed in each of the major US parties. I think if we got rid or separate primaries and just wen two straight ranked choice voting across the board and didn't list political parties on the ballot, things would be a lot more true to life, without all of this gerrymandered bullshit People just vote for party lines no matter who the candidate is. latest example being the worst senate candidate in history with Herschel Walker. Still got almost half of the votes... No more Twitter. It's Mastodon now. |
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I have been fairly wigged out about the recent power station attacks but only started looking for news articles this morning. This one from ABC News came out in early December *before* the latest attacks, but it provides a lot of context.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/attacks-pl...ry?id=94574765 Their desire to foment carnage inside our own country seems like a hanging offense to me. ... |
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That is kinda cool to read. Someone not from the typical academia helping to solve the puzzle.
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Just goes to show that a fresh set of eyes can see something others can miss. Great story.
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I hope you guys enjoyed the first six days of the new year, brimming with promise and possibility. It's all downhill from here.
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Hmmm. Maybe things are looking up. We've finally figured out how we used to do things 2,000 years ago.
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^ This is why outsourcing is bad. They should have at least used duct tape for goodness sake.
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It's also why Canada must never buy nuclear subs. Given how the military maintains our tanks, superglue is likely a best-case scenario for fixing subs.
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The super glue was all we could afford in the late 1980's, guess it's only gotten worse from there.
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That is pretty wild. I mean, it is a huge deal to do anything out of the norm in the nuke world. Tools are regulated to the point that it is a "nuclear incident" if a socket is missing from the tool drawer. The fact that the contractors were able to break the bolts and then glue them back on as though they were good is just wild!
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Well, it isn't that strict for all tools associated with the operation of a nuclear power plant. Specifically, it is any tool that has detectable radiation or has potentially been exposed to radioactive contamination, and those tools are (supposed to be) limited to use on specific systems. The tools are controlled by an inventory list, but not to the point of using serial numbers on tools that do not already have a serial number.
Also, the comment on duct tape is appropriate, because there are anecdotal stories (not documented anywhere that I know of, but regarded as common knowledge in shipyards) that at least one submarine has gone to test depth during sea trials (testing following an overhaul or new construction) with duct tape covering hull openings, and it was not discovered until the ship was back in port. |
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I don't think it's possible for duct tape to hold up at "test depth" (likely below 500 feet), so I think the anecdotal bit must be taken with a large sprinkling of salt. I could see it being used for some other purpose where there is no place for water to enter the pressurized portion of the hull.
But at depth? 500 feet is 216psi, and water under that pressure is going through duct tape. Although I could see that being tried in Russia … - AppleNova is the best Mac-users forum on the internet. We are smart, educated, capable, and helpful. We are also loaded with smart-alecks! :) - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Mat 5:9) |
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