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There is something I need to get off of my chest before I start studying for exams.
I love Apple' rise to stardo, i have been using Apple comps since early to mid 90's, so from a very young age. However there is one thing that has bothered me, and i see this a lot at Univeristy. All these people who have caught onto the cool status of Apple, have their iPods and macbooks and what not, and suddenly they think they are apple gods and are lecturing about how they love apple. Switchers are great for the Apple company and all of us because we benefit from increased sales, however if you have not been given crap about using a one button mouse on the comp, and cannot identify with the quack sound when the old computers booted then in my books (and opinion) you are not a true Apple fan, just someone who jumps on something that is cool ie not a trend setter, just a trend follower. Does anyone understand what i mean? or is it just me? any thoughts/gripes please ? Thanks for your time and input. Nick |
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Join Date: May 2004
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Join Date: May 2004
Location: Minnesota
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Who cares? It's just a computer. The operating system it boots and the company that designed (not built) it are only two factors. What does it really matter anyway? All most people use their computers for is web surfing, chatting, writing stuff, burning CDs, and watching porn. You can do that on a fucking cell phone these days (you can't burn CDs but you can listen to music).
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Join Date: Dec 2005
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Thanks Brad for the honest response, guess i have somehting to get over.
Luca, i was intending my comment more towards the branding side of the topic, rather than Apple in essence being a hardware and software company, more along the lines of being a Brand, a fashion statement, when the users used to be "nerds" "uncool" etc now those same people are using the "uncool" product as an accessory. Putting it this way, i guess the people who were labeled whatever because they used apples won. Thanks for the input, my train of thought never went that way. |
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Boston-ish
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You know, we can't be mad at people because they use XP AND because they are "Apple wannabes."
When I bump into a college switcher, which there are plenty of, I congratulate them. Every time. Of course, then they tell me they use Firefox over Safari, and I give them one of these: But the fact remains, they switched. And thats good, it takes a bit of courage to switch OS when all you've known is Windows. All of them are satisfied, too. To quote one girl I know: "I know how to use computers now, because of my Mac." Remember the Dave Chappelle parody of the old "Switch" adds? That was hilarious. Logic, logic, logic. Logic is the beginning of wisdom, Valeris, not the end. |
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Join Date: May 2004
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Hey now.
It's like when your favorite too-hip-for-the-room indie band suddenly becomes a mainstream success and a household name. The logical thing to do would be to be happy that your favorite band is successful, but oftentimes, people actually stop liking the band, because it's not like it's a cool underground insider thing anymore. I'm not saying it makes sense, but it happens...a lot. There's obviously appeal to having the computer but nobody else has, but I guess you have to ask yourself why you like the Mac (or that band, or whatever). Do you like it because it's some exclusive hardcore undeground thing that makes you feel special, or do you like it because it's a better computer? If it's the latter, then you should be happy that more people are experiencing the better computer. If it's the former, well...there's always Linux. and i guess i've known it all along / the truth is, you have to be soft to be strong |
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No, I too, understand what hes saying. Although this is great that Apple now has lots more users, it has lost its "exclusivity" - I used to like feeling a bit better than most cos I used a mac.
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: The Canadark
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So your point is that unless you had an Apple (insert name of retro computer here), you're not a "proper" Apple user - in fact you chose a vastly superior but probably more expensive* computer because you wanted it as a fashion accessory?
Puh-leeeze. "I got into this first so that makes me better than you" is a ridiculous viewpoint. * = I'm aware this is no longer true in many cases. |
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Join Date: May 2004
Location: Hillsborough, CA
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Quack was a System Sound but it was never a start-up chime. Wild Eep was the best System 7 sound. Monkey was the best from System 6. I could live with any of the Start-up chimes Apple computers have used over the years.
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Join Date: Feb 2005
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I disagree. I think this part:
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Yeh, OK, that part is a bit off.
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i never said "proper" i said "true Apple fan". I dont know if you have experenced this but i have, and it usually goes along the lines of "Macs are shit, they only have one button" "macs are shit for games" etc, and then a few years later when macs are cool, then they act all "check out my apple products"etc, that is the kind of attitude i am sick of. Like i said in my original post "Switchers are great for the Apple company and all of us because we benefit".
As for exlusivity, i wasnt aiming towards that point where people only buy a hand bag because there is a 3 month waiting list etc thats going a bit off on a tangent. As for the "quack" noise (thanks for the correction as to where it was from) but thats my point, ask most of the people who switched AND after bagging it, and they wont have a clue as to what sound you are talking about. Given that someone who has just started out using comps at 10yrs old wont know, but you get my point, im not targeting new computer users but the ones i outlined in the first statement of this post. Wrao, you dont need to quote my entire first post just to say "shut up", a simple shut up would have sufficed. Thanks ps the whole macs are shit for games routine, yeah they are for games, but who here buys macs for games??? Bryson, yes believe it or not people do by more expensive products just for a fashion statement. eg Diesel Jeans how many times more do they cost than Just Jeans, do they both look good? yes, do they both do the same thing? yes, see the pattern |
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awesome Join Date: Jul 2004
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phoenix_gr, by your definition, I'm not a "true" Apple fan.
I haven't been given crap about using a one-button mouse, because I normally use a multibutton mouse. I guess I'm just not worthy of my new MacBook, then. Damn. and i guess i've known it all along / the truth is, you have to be soft to be strong |
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Location: Portland, OR
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Peep my new rank. I'm sorry guys, I just can't help it. All those years I thought I was an Apple fan...but I never switched to the One Button Mouse. I'm feel so...empty now. *tear*
and i guess i've known it all along / the truth is, you have to be soft to be strong |
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Join Date: Feb 2005
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There, there.
We're there for you buddy. Eventually, we'll learn how to be the true apple fan. It will be rigorous and enduring, but remember! A journey of thousand step begins with a single step! Courage, Roboman! |
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awesome Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Portland, OR
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It's just...I'm on Step Seven of the Apple Wannabe Steps to Recovery: "Get an Apple tattoo." I'm just not sure if I'm ready for that kind of commitment...but at my last Apple Fanboy Wannabes Anonymous meeting, everybody was showing off their Apple tattoos, and this one guy even had Clarus the Dogcow (or is it Claris? God, I don't even know anymore...) and I felt like I had let everybody down. I had let myself down.
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The only problem I have with Apple getting more popular is the sense that they are caring less about the fine details of their products. It might just be their evolution, but they used to pay very fine attention to detail where Brad would cringe when they had something a pixel off. Now your lucky if they follow any of their design rules, and I don't mean this in a "cool apple is thinking out of the box" type way.
phoenix_gr— I can relate though about people who used to hate and make fun of macs now using them. I have a friend who is on his second powerbook, who back in middle school made the screen name "macsuxIII" (maybe I and II were taken? ) Of course I own apple stock, so the more consumers the better. As long as we have Brad around to re-theme iTunes for us, I can deal with apple dropping the ball if they choose to pick it up again. |
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Alright, alright, point taken about the one button mouse, however you may have missed my point, my point is that switchers who I have previously known to bag apple have now think they are so great because they use apples, this annoys me. Does that clarify things?
Now, note that in my post i have specified that my opionion is based upon personal experience which has shaped my attitude to certain switchers who I know, i didnt say everyone. No need for the apple wannabe comments, i never came here and gunned down anybody, their views, beliefs or what ever, i merely expressed my opinion on some hypocrites that i have come across. To reiterate the one button and quack comments were examples of things people can identify with if they have been using macs for a long time (i am aware of 3rd party two button mice, however that wast my point) Thanks (see how even from the first post i have been absolutely polite, Brad was the first to disagree, and i didnt open up witht the wisecracks, so guys, if you disagree, just say so , if you want you can justify your response but dont critisise me for my opinion which i have unequivocally justified) Last edited by phoenix_gr : 2006-10-05 at 06:05. Reason: Ast3r3x your second paragraph is an example of the kind of comment i was after (no not one that agrees with me), but a comment that says yes or no...with an explanation. |
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I think what your point was meant to be was those people who "dissed" Apple before who are now into it because it's cool. Fair enough, but maybe they just didn't realise before what they were missing. Maybe the FUD got them. Is that their fault? Quote:
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the only reason I bought a mac because I was fed-up of friggin' windows OS. And yeah I like the sleek design without shit poppin' up from sides.
Oh yeah... when I take out my laptop, ppl are like "ooooo... you have a mac". So what, I have a mac. I ain't GOD. MacBook with Super Glue...seriously though Last edited by Sketch : 2006-10-05 at 09:41. |
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Hey, I resemble that remark. Leave me alone.
I see it like this: it's like walking around for years with your shoes tied too tight, and then realizing it doesn't have to be so. I love the barefoot freedom I've got now. And I'll tell people if they want to know. Using stuff that works well is a lot of fun. What do you propose us Apple newbies do? Go to Stardo? Return our stuff, or just use it out of sight? Good luck with your exams; it's better taking them with things like this off your chest. |
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Join Date: May 2004
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I love AppleNova' rise to stardo, i have been using AppleNova forums since the day it was started, so from a very young age. However there is one thing that has bothered me, and i see this a lot on the Internet. All these people who have caught onto the cool status of AppleNova, have their bookmarks to VTP and the clinic and what not, and suddenly they think they are applenova gods and are lecturing about how they love applenova. Switchers are great for the AppleNova community and all of us because we benefit from increased discussions, however if you have not been given crap about the split from AI, and cannot identify with the nailgun guy when Windswept bans a spammer then in my books (and opinion) you are not a true AppleNova fan, just someone who jumps on something that is cool ie not a trend setter, just a trend follower. Does anyone understand what i mean? or is it just me? any thoughts/gripes please ? Thanks for your time and input. Brad The quality of this board depends on the quality of the posts. The only way to guarantee thoughtful, informative discussion is to write thoughtful, informative posts. AppleNova is not a real-time chat forum. You have time to compose messages and edit them before and after posting. |
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http://www.tcp.com/~dschaub/readme.html
http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2005/...c-startup.html btw... anyone got a link to the wild eep and the monkey startup sounds? |
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