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Now that the intel Macs are out, I'm curious to see if Wine will run on them. It runs in X on linux, and OSX can run X apps on the OSX desktop, so it seems very likely that OSX will be able to run Windows apps right on the OSX desktop.
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Correct me on this but WINE, while better than standard emulation, does not mean that everything will run right out of the box. If a particular software doesn't go, you would have to "loan" this software to the WINE team and see if they can get it up and running. Even then, there'll be kinks here and there.
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Yeah, it's nowhere near perfect, but for people who are switching and can't let go of that one important app that only runs in Windows, it would be really nice if they didn't have to have a full installation of Windows on their Mac.
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Yeah- I have CAD software that are win-only and would prefer to have a Mac over PC- I'd be interested if they can get it up and running, but I'm not counting on it, given the complexity of CAD software.
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http://www.winehq.com/site/docs/wine-faq/index
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Can someone help explian the DarWINE thing to me a little better? I read their webpage and it still left me a little confused. It shows that it can run simplpe apps like Calculator or MineSweaper. but what i need it to run is a much more indepth program called ACS which is used to hemp manage Church Membership. i want to switch my church over to Macs, but we cant not have that software and I'm nto going to pay $100+ for VirtualPC just to run one progam.
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To answer your specific question, yes, it should run your ACS program. Wine is widely used by the Linux community to run all sorts of apps from very small to very large. However, the Darwine project is not yet ready for regular use. Don't start preaching to your church about this just yet. |
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and what about the problem OS/2 encountered; ever-changing library of APIs? How does WINE work around this?
Their myth-busting page doesn't really explain how they can do it beyond that they can add more APIs, and currently has almost most of oft-referenced APIs. |
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According to their website (http://www.acstechnologies.com/churc...1999960857.htm), ACS's software can run on OS X. Maybe you should call them and ask if there's any easy way to transfer your data from a PC to a Mac.
You might want to be careful about bringing a computer that brandishes a representation of the forbidden fruit of knowledge into your church, but then, I guess getting rid of the Windows PC will make it easier not to take the Lord's name in vain. |
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I've been using wine on Linux, and it's great. It doesn't run everything, but it runs a lot of things.
In my ideal world, Apple would buy the two major wine companies: Transgaming and Codeweavers. Both could be had on the cheap, and they'd rock if they combined codebases. |
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Personally, I don't see Apple doing that, for the simple reason that they don't want to come across as supporting Windows on Macs. They will let it happen, but they won't want to help it. |
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Well, most successful open-source projects have corporate backing of some sort. Don't think that Mozilla, et al. came about just from volunteer programmers!
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Interesting. And what's the profit angle in this? Could Apple conceivably back up and stand to make money off this, even if it's not under their control?
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Zach. Neither of those companies "is" Wine. They simply develop friendly user interfaces and extensions to Wine to help them to be more usable to the general public.
Codeweavers take the Wine codebase and add stuff to it to make it easy to install MS Office, IE and other apps. I tried their demo recently and it worked pretty well, I installed Office 2003 on my old Linux Desktop at home. Transgaming (or now Cedega I believe) have an old fork of the Wine code that was licensed under a different license that allows them to not release the source code for their changes. They are mainly interested in emulating DirectX to get Windows games to run on Linux. Wine itself is seperate, but helped by these companies (at least by Codeweavers). If Apple bought both of these companies it would not affect the Wine project itself I believe. BTW - It wouldn't make much sense for Apple to buy Codeweavers as their focus is getting Office to run on Linux. I can't see Apple promoting the running of the Windows version of Office under OS X! |
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As for "how does this benefit open source" I was assuming Apple would do what they've done with BSD and KHTML... put together a snazzy Apple front-end but release any changes to the underlying code back to the community. Wine is a killer to set up and get going, but the underlying API is pretty solid. The underlying API, by the way, is LGPL (just like KHTML), so Apple couldn't just buy it up and keep changes to itself... it would have to be shared. Apple's learned to be pretty good about that, though. |
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I only miss two things on the Mac. One of them is the random little tiny programs that are too small to port, but are useful every once in a while, but are Windows only. The other is gaming. Most games get ported, and I'm happy with Civ III and AoE 2x instead of Civ4 and AoE3. But there are games that don't get ported, like Total War, or don't get fully ported, like AoE 2 multiplayer doesn't work Mac-to-PC. Therefore, I'm the perfect candidate for a WINE that does DirectX well, and I'd pay for it. |
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If MS felt backstabbed, there is a chance it could renege on it's deal. Note that I said "felt backstabbed", as opposed to actually backstabbed. They probably expect Virtual PC for Mactels to be the only major way to run Windows on Mactels (outside dualbooting). They're wrong, but if Apple supports a MS competitor at that, MS could get ticked. I just mean to say that I don't see their "commitment" as legally binding, or MS may just get out of it somehow if it is.
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What's it too MS what version of Office a Mac user is using? And the Mac version of Office is better os there's no point of running the Windows version.
EDIT: So what if the Windows version of Office runs on a Mac. Most Mac users are going to prefer the Aqua based Mac native version of Office anyway. I know I'd rather the Mac version. |
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It's not about the version of Office you use. I agree, in principle, that all other things equal (as is the case with Office), that a native mac version is better. But my point (and the previous few poster's points, as I understood them), is that MS can hold Office for Mac over Apple, since Apple would lose users or potential converts without it. Now, someone said that MS and Apple have an understanding and MS is committed to making Office for Mac until Dec. 31st, 2010. But I said that MS could always go back on that, if Apple tries to "scoop" Virtual PC as the way to run Windows on Mac, in this case, by supporting or buying the major companies developing WINE.
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I'm going to get off of the Office topic here and ask more about DirectX and DarWINE.
How is gaming coming along on DarWINE? Do we suspect that we'll be able to run Windows games on the Intel Macs under DarWINE? If so, how far out is that? |
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There's also no version of Visio or Project. While as a home user I wouldn't need these programs, at work I do need these programs from time to time. |
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What does access do and what the well is Visio and Project?
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Access is a database program. Not a very good one, but commonly used because...it's part of Microsoft Office.
Visio is a simple drawing program like OmniGraffle - drag and drop templates, flow charts, that sort of thing. It's pretty good, to be honest. Project is, surprisingly, a project management app. It creates those endless wall-charts with dependent timeframes and stuff. Builders love it. Never used it myself. |
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Oh OK well what about that File thingy, gees I can't remember the name but I thinks a database app.
FileMaker! That's what it's called. Isn't that better than Access? |
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Better is usually a subjective term. But in this instance, yes. Anything is better than Access.
I liken Access to my Grandfather. It's ugly and it's going to forget the important stuff I want it to remember. |
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