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jdcfsu
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2006-11-15, 10:53

According to a report hitting all the rumor sites today, Foxconn has landed the iPhone contract with a target date of mid 2007. While all that is fine and dandy, my question is do you think the preverbal iPhone will coincide with the 6G iPod release or do you think the iPhone will be the 6G iPhone?

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2006-11-15, 15:23

It wouldn't make sense for them to merge the iPod with a phone. Too many people like the iPod that have little to do with Apple outside of that. Not to mention that most of the market for this would be contingent on people having cell service with the iPhone's carrier. Few are willing to change cell carriers based only on a phone.

If it were thrown in there (like video in the 5G iPod) without costing more, that would be different. I don't see that happening though.

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2006-11-15, 15:39

I don't think the 6G iPod will just happen to be a phone - I think the iPhone will be a different animal entirely.

And I think it is coming. Finally.

We didn't see any new iPods at MWSF '06. MWSF '07 might make up for it, though..."true" video iPod + iPod phone = bliss.

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2006-11-15, 15:40

I think Roboman's right on. The new iPod and iPhone will be totally separate items, but they'll both debut at MWSF this January, shipping immediately.
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2006-11-15, 16:48

A couple days ago I was trying to figure out how long the iPhone rumors have been flying around. I found an article on Daring Fireball dating back to 2002, and that certainly wasn't the first mention of an iPhone. That's nearly five years ago.

I'll believe in the iPhone when I see it. In fact, I'm sick of it already. Pardon my cynicism.

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2006-11-15, 18:03

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I'll believe in the iPhone when I see it. In fact, I'm sick of it already. Pardon my cynicism.
Completey agree, i've been holding off buying a new mobile phone for a year now, and back then it was on its last legs ... now its just begging to be replaced

I think for MWSF '07 they'll be the release of the true Video iPod, similar in size to the 60GB iPod but the entire white area filled with a touch screen. As well as it having 100GB+ storage space it will have PDA features such as being able to edit your iCal and Address Book and sync them with your mac, also ... a possible introduction to flash memory instead of a hard drive.

I seriously doubt Apple will bring out an "iPhone", it just seems to complicated for them to get into that sort of market and arrange contracts with different networks around the world etc. etc etc.

Actually, on thinking more into MWSF '07 it's going to pretty exciting because there isn't really any obvious things Apple will be unveiling, with the exception of iLife & iWork ofcourse ... last year new macs were what were all over the rumour sites but we've had plenty of them this year ... maybe they'll release a brand new model altogether ... who knows?

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2006-11-15, 18:29

Ultimately, I think there is room for only one electronic device in each consumer's pockets. At some point, the two will be merged and a whole new market segment will be opened up to apple. That segment is comprised of the people who need a phone and would like iPod functionality but aren't willing to be encumbered by an additional device.

But the technology and interface design doesn't seem to be quite there yet. So in the mean time, I would expect stand-alone iPods and phones to coexist.
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2006-11-15, 18:32

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Not to mention that most of the market for this would be contingent on people having cell service with the iPhone's carrier...
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I seriously doubt Apple will bring out an "iPhone", it just seems to complicated for them to get into that sort of market and arrange contracts with different networks around the world etc. etc etc.
Unless they go the MVNO route, which, knowing Apple with the whole vertical integration thing, is the most likely option. Especially considering that Cingular, the likely candidate for iPhone's network, just released their competitor to the iTS...

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2006-11-15, 20:11

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Unless they go the MVNO route, which, knowing Apple with the whole vertical integration thing, is the most likely option. Especially considering that Cingular, the likely candidate for iPhone's network, just released their competitor to the iTS...
I just can't seriously consider the Apple Mobile Network as a plausible solution.

Nearly everyone already has a cell phone, and therefore, a cell service. Apple would be asking everyone to drop their contract and switch to the Apple network (which would have no history or reliability rating in the industry) all because of a new phone. That would be suicide for the "iPhone".

Not only that, but I think an MVNO is an instant way to cheapen a brand name. Nike is a strong brand, but could you imagine how lame a Nike cell service would be? Ford? McDonalds? Apple has one of the strongest brands in the world and using it on an MVNO is a very bad idea, in my opinion.

Yes, an MVNO would be an easy way to ensure the failure of the iPhone.

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2006-11-15, 20:17

I think that's what he's saying. If they were to do this, then MVNO would be their route. This goes back to my statement at the beginning though, why would someone was to change companies just for a phone?

Based on this, the iPhone is out.

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2006-11-15, 20:48

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I just can't seriously consider the Apple Mobile Network as a plausible solution.

Nearly everyone already has a cell phone, and therefore, a cell service. Apple would be asking everyone to drop their contract and switch to the Apple network (which would have no history or reliability rating in the industry) all because of a new phone. That would be suicide for the "iPhone".

Not only that, but I think an MVNO is an instant way to cheapen a brand name. Nike is a strong brand, but could you imagine how lame a Nike cell service would be? Ford? McDonalds? Apple has one of the strongest brands in the world and using it on an MVNO is a very bad idea, in my opinion.

Yes, an MVNO would be an easy way to ensure the failure of the iPhone.
1) In what way does being an MNVO automatically destroy your brand? The fact that the majority of cell phone companies suck has tainted the industry, yes, which is even more reason Apple should go it alone to avoid that taint. Given the option between attaching its brand to Cingular and building a brand from the equity within Apple's brand, I don't think that is an unrealistic assumption.

2) Had I been thinking about it harder when I posted, I would have said something along the lines of "Unless they go the MVNO route, which, knowing Apple with the whole vertical integration thing, is a much better choice than going with Cingular." I think the most likely option at this point is unlocked GSM, much like the Samsung D900, because it exempts them from dealing with the cell phone carriers completely.

3) You still can't rule the MNVO out, though. Apple is used to selling a premium product to a small market segment. The iPod, for better or worse, is a fluke, in the respect that it managed to nab 70% marketshare in just five years. I think that if you had asked Jobs about the iPod's future was in 2001, he would have told you that it was meant to be a premium product for most Mac users and a handful of PC enthusiasts only, and was perfectly content to let Rio and Creative churn out junk for the masses. The massive takeoff And if you had told him there would eventually be an $79 iPod, he probably would've called you crazy.

The iPod is far more than anyone ever expected it to be. It is unrealistic to think of an iPhone in the same light, nor is it critical for the iPhone's success. The iPhone isn't meant to be the iPod of cell phones and probably never will be - the market is far too saturated with products that are good enough, unlike the MP3 market five years ago which was full of cheap or overpriced junk.

Furthermore, most cell phone contracts last 12-18 months. Is it unreasonable to expect that people would let them expire, and then buy an iPhone? No, not at all. And I bet Apple is willing to wait that out.

Finally, there are certainly advantages associated with complete vertical integration, such as bringing the store to mobile devices. Just a thought, though.

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2006-11-15, 23:10

The biggest thing I see that an iPhone has for it is that it would introduce Americans to the world of Korean phones. We here in the states don't have many cool phones, while in the far East everyone can watch live TV and video conference on their cell. This has a lot to do with service, but the hardware itself is ahead of the western world by a ways. Risky move for Apple non-the-less.
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2006-11-16, 03:14

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“This data point is in line with our expectations that a cell phone could be discussed in January at Macworld with limited sales by February and broader distribution in spring 2007,” UBS analyst Benjamin Reitzes wrote in a research note.
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2006-11-16, 04:06

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yikes, well, who'd have thought
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2006-11-16, 09:15

Yes, this is truly a smoking gun.

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2006-11-16, 09:38

I knew keeping that money under my mattress was a good idea...

So can we expect a shit-brown colour botched 'Pune' from late 2007? After all the Zune is just a cut down remodeled PDA, which never sold, isn't it?

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2006-11-16, 10:14

Potential spec details...

http://appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2242

Nothing terribly exciting. However, the 2 MP camera would indicate that they're not going for the ultra-high-end of the phone spectrum. 2 MP is pretty standard for a nice camera phone, so it's not spec whoring like some people have expected.

One analyst has called for the phone to retail for $200-300 unlocked. If that's the case, I really expect these things to move.

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2006-11-16, 14:24

Or maybe Jobs just decided to make an iPhone because of the rummors, not the other way around. He probably said sometime last year:"Hey these guys want an iPhone, let's make one..."

Just an idea...
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2006-11-16, 17:42

Spring 2007?

That's:

a) My birthday.

b) When my Sprint contract expires.



OTOH, is it possible that the article linked above is wrong, and actually about a new iPod, not an iPhone? Just a thought...
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2006-11-16, 18:01

I'll buy it as long as it isn't a cheap piece of crap that can't do anything other than call someone. I need far more than basic features and being able to sync my contacts is hardly enough.

I'm really looking forward to this phone though because Apple's rep for quality is really good.

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2006-11-16, 19:03

I believe the ipod 6G and the iphone will both be "touch sensitive". I think this because apple is not one who likes to 'clutter' thier devices with buttons therefore, they will build the numeric pad into a thouch sensitive screen. Once apple masters this touch sensitive technology they will be able to release the iphone and 6G ipod.
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2006-11-16, 22:37

Well I just went and upgraded my crappy old Motorola, so expect the new iPhone as early as next week.
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2006-11-17, 01:40

I'm so torn when it comes to a multi-function device. On the one hand, every multifx device I've ever tried has been woefully inadequate. OTOH, my desire for one that just works never declines. If we could get one that just worked right I'm sure it would sell like hotcakes. I'd love to be able to have my cell phone and iPod in one as long as neither felt like a compromise. Add in some 3G goodness and a capable browser (like the one on this Nokia e61 I'm typing on right now - which happens to be built using Webkit) and we'd be onto something.

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2006-11-17, 04:37

If you can't wind the ear phone cord around a portable music player, it's not a portable music player.

*That's* why actually there are still no cell phones that are portable music players as well, even though everyone on earth claims the opposite.

I'm *very* curious how Apple has solved this (I suppose they have, they owe it to their brand reputation ).
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2006-11-17, 05:23

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I think the most likely option at this point is unlocked GSM, much like the Samsung D900, because it exempts them from dealing with the cell phone carriers completely
I like this idea the best. Unlike other phones, the iPhone should be designed to last several generations. It's not something you'd throw away and trade-in for the next best thing. It's a premium product you're willing to pay full price for. As an unlocked phone, you get to choose Cingular or T-Mobile, and it also doesn't leave non-US customers out to dry.
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2006-11-17, 10:44

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Yes, this is truly a smoking gun.

Guess its gonna happen then.
Unforunately, not really.

There have been rumored orders in the past that got everyone all confused. They were reported as being for new products but were really for a minor revision of an existing product. One even involved FoxConn.
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2006-11-17, 12:49

Urrr...why all the chat about mobile networks? Is it such in the US that you have no option but to buy a locked phone? In the UK there is a thriving unlock market (£10 to unlock) and people do buy phones, especially in the sort of market the iPhone is likely to hit, and then get a sim-only account.

As for cables stopping phones being an MP3 player, I wonder if we will see a bluetooth headphone option? Will the iPhone be the FIRST phone-MP3 not to demand you use the crappy manufacturers' headset via a proprietary connector? Nokia has not yet realised that people do NOT want their garbage buds via some ghastly plastic connector (e.g. my Nokia 6230 and now 6233).
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2006-11-17, 16:25

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Urrr...why all the chat about mobile networks? Is it such in the US that you have no option but to buy a locked phone? In the UK there is a thriving unlock market (£10 to unlock) and people do buy phones, especially in the sort of market the iPhone is likely to hit, and then get a sim-only account.
Only two of our major providers use GSM, T-Mobile and Cingular. The two others use CDMA, which don't use SIM cards and are locked to that carrier. Even if you managed to unlock them, I think Verizon and Sprint are on different frequencies so you still couldn't use it with another carrier. Plus, US users are used to dirt-cheap phones, but unlocked phones sell for above $300, last time I checked, for one with features beyond simple calling.

So while Apple could release it unlocked, I don't think signing up for a plan with it is something Joe Sixpack could handle.

edit: Re: Bluetooth headphones. I doubt it. It's one more thing to keep charged and not lose and I'm sure audio quality would greatly suffer.
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2006-11-17, 22:14

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A couple days ago I was trying to figure out how long the iPhone rumors have been flying around. I found an article on Daring Fireball dating back to 2002, and that certainly wasn't the first mention of an iPhone. That's nearly five years ago.

I'll believe in the iPhone when I see it. In fact, I'm sick of it already. Pardon my cynicism.
I'll believe "true video iPod" when I see it. iPhone I can believe.

Even if it wasn't unlocked, why would they have to choose a network? Couldn't they be on both? GSM, as discussed in the past, is the only way for them to go I think (think global).
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2006-11-18, 00:07

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So while Apple could release it unlocked, I don't think signing up for a plan with it is something Joe Sixpack could handle.
Apple isn't interested in Joe Sixpack. If Joe Sixpack becomes interested in Apple, like what happened with the iPod, so be it. But Apple isn't going to cater specifically to him.

Unlocked GSM for the win. I mean, come on. What are the other options? Cingular? Blech. MVNO? Incredibly high risk.

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