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2021-06-26, 04:29

Also relevant: https://github.com/scriptingosx/DownloadFullInstaller
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2021-07-04, 12:28

Is it just me, or are the new safari tabs completely unusable? For a ton of websites all I see are "https://..."
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2021-07-04, 13:46

I’m not a big fan.

I am hopeful I’ll like Tab Groups when I finally get to use them, though.
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2021-07-04, 14:01

Yeah - I'm using Tab Groups with STP right now, and its certainly helpful for sorting / storing things I'm not immediately working on, but the new tabs are just harder to navigate. They are always moving because the URL bar moves. It's just bad UI.

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2021-07-04, 14:19

It’s another one of those change for the sake of change things, a odd one at that.
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2021-07-05, 03:17

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Yeah - I'm using Tab Groups with STP right now
Judging from the latest beta, I'm guessing they're removing that from Big Sur.
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2021-07-09, 11:26

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Judging from the latest beta, I'm guessing they're removing that from Big Sur.
What the shit.
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2021-07-09, 11:54

Well, they basically didn't work at all for me in STP. It didn't show me groups from my iPhone. I could create new ones, but those wouldn't show on the iPhone either. Basically no sync. But, more than that? If you quit Safari, they were gone.

So I'm guessing this feature wasn't intended to ship in Big Sur.
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2021-07-14, 14:30

Ah, I never realized those glitches. I assumed it wouldn’t work with iOS until updated to the beta, and never quit the browser.

Seems like they’re walking back at least some of the changes in the latest Monterey beta.
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2021-10-18, 14:32

October 25th release date. Apparently it was announced during today's MBP release. Neat.
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2021-10-18, 14:47

Pretty cool. Next Monday, a day before the other stuff is available/pre-loaded.

That was a tight, packed 50-minute thing today. I enjoyed it. Anything more than 1:15, and with just endless demos and jibber-jabber about things that don't interest me, I start to drift. I hung with today's event the entire time, even the music stuff (despite it making me feel like the oldest, whitest person who's ever lived).
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2021-10-28, 09:01

OK, who's upgraded and is it worth it to do now for "production" machines?

I need to build a VM and play there, but I am hesitant to upgrade my work computer. My job has clearly effected my upgrade desires.

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2021-10-28, 09:12

Reviews I read kind of hinted that there are some strange bugs (dock crashing, other random stuff), and that it’s better to wait.
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2021-10-28, 09:17

Thanks. I've not been keeping up with it this week. My coworker is on vacation and my manager hasn't been replaced yet (he quit a couple of months ago) so I'm doing the job of three for the same pay I've had for almost a year.

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2021-10-28, 09:30

I spent years (15+) being a first-day adopter, all the OS X releases and iOS as well.

Somewhere around/following Mavericks and iOS 7 I stopped. I now wait weeks and weeks, often until that first big update that address those initial snags, bugs and glitches. I just no longer have the patience or adventurous nature to fool with any x.0.0 releases and their inevitable “oops!” and rough edges.

Im happy to let others take that first round of fire while I hide behind a tree. These days I’d rather be stable than first.
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2021-10-28, 09:32

The last few releases I waited till December or January, following the October release, just to be on the safe side.
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2021-10-28, 09:35

For me I WANT the new features, but since I'm using these system professionally I'm so tired of installing the latest and greatest only to have it bite me in the shorts and have to revert.

It is bad enough that I have to review things like Fusion to see if it is compatible and such.

Heck, patch Tuesday MS released a VMware driver that killed servers running PVSCSI. If the system was set to auto-install you had to jump through hoops to revert or restore from backup. It is things like that the make me cringe and hesitant to install now.

My son is running the current beta on his (handmedown) MBP though. He isn't in production though.

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2021-10-28, 10:07

If that’s the case - these are working, production machines, I definitely ain’t jumping on anything right away. New features can wait. They’ll still be there in a month.

If it’s me I’m weighing “new shiny features” against the unholy pain-in-the-butt of having to revert, restore or otherwise monkey with stuff when I probably have better things to do.

But I’m Mr. Practical, so YMMV.
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2021-11-02, 14:44

Mac OS Monterey is bricking some Macs.

Apple, I know you want us to buy Apple Silicon machines, but bricking Intel Macs is going a bit far...
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2021-11-02, 15:12

Gee... really makes me want to jump out there and update my 2016 MBP. I'm still running macOS 11 on mine.
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2021-11-05, 14:43

I always wait for the .1 update, but the bricking issue has been fixed.
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2021-11-05, 15:34

(Because I'm masochistic and because my iPhone 13 migration wasn't painful enough, I'm embarking on a journey to run macOS Monterey on my unsupported 2013 MacBook Pro.)
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2021-11-05, 17:44

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(Because I'm masochistic and because my iPhone 13 migration wasn't painful enough, I'm embarking on a journey to run macOS Monterey on my unsupported 2013 MacBook Pro.)
Good luck with that.
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2021-11-05, 17:54

I just got back, and looks like it worked!
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2021-11-05, 18:10

I’m running the update on my MBP now. We will see how it goes. Fine I’m sure, but still.

I don’t know if would put it on an older MBP, but I’m over dealing with hackintosh bugs to that has a lot to do with it.

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2021-11-05, 18:20

Yeah, I totally get that. I’m kind of surprised that this was relatively little hassle.
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2021-11-06, 01:39

I haven't heard about any showstopping bugs in any major apps.

Seeing as how the known problems with Adobe InDesign are exceedingly few, I think I may make the jump on my MB Air very soon as well.
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2021-11-06, 15:07

I made the jump and have installed this on my main MBP. So far so good and no issues that I've found. I have all weekend to really figure it out though!

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2021-11-06, 15:24

So far, so good. Quite a few little things I like. Not much I dislike. No noticeable performance change. Feels like "Big Sur, with a little bit more polish", which, great!
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2021-11-06, 16:42

I was using a Mac in a store a few weeks ago (when I saw my first M1 24" iMac in real life) and it had Big Sur and I loved the way it looked/felt (I'm still on Mojave ), so I'm looking forward to Big Sur/Monterey being my daily driver, once I update to a new, M1-based Mac.

It had a great look, I thought.

Funny to think back to those earlier versions with all the transparency, stripes, shadows, stuff looking like gumdrops, etc. and, over the years, how toned-down and nice it has become. I see old screenshots of Jaguar, Panther, etc. and I kinda cringe or think "I can't believe I stared at that shit all day...how did I ever get anything done?!"

I was a bit on the loud-and-obnoxious side, looking back. Although, at the time, it was so different than OS 9, we didn't care. I was at MWSF 2000 and those huge blue gel "X" banners hanging everywhere painted the picture of what was to come.

"Ahh...they're gonna make the OS look like the iStuff; things are blue, see-through and poochy!"

That was my takeaway after three days in Moscone!
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