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Join Date: Feb 2005
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In America we are nowhere near anyone with rational thought claiming that the ends justify the means. We spent about ten years living on credit cards and home equity and now it's going to take that long to get back. |
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I mentioned the chinese as an example of a form of government who are educated to the highest level and operate on the premise that they are doing what is good for their country over a long time period, and do not have to worry about the pressures of reelection. And they certainly are executing brilliantly regardless of whether we like their system or not. It would be better to have a discussion based of facts and reality, rather than the typical knee jerk reaction of some as soon as they hear some trigger keywords. |
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Fishhead Family Reunited
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Slightly Off Center
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I've been looking forward to The Daily Show getting back from reruns tonight just to see what Stewart would say about OWS. He delivered as usual (with both praise and criticism) in the second segment.
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Space Pirate
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Atlanta
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I just signed up for standard Hulu to watch it, and I hate signing up for stuff.
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Hates the Infotainment
Join Date: May 2004
Location: NSA Archives
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Back on track: have you guys been following any of the occupy[insertcityname] accounts on Twitter this week? Seems many of them are still going strong so I give them credit. Seems like there are still a lot of people on the street. And starting to get abused by cops in different places, and treated well in others. Will be interesting to see what happens when it gets cold.
In other news I have concluded there pretty much IS a media blackout, which they can plausibly deny by doing random 2 minutes of mention / commentary throughout the day without actually covering the real story. I have seen not one day's worth of coverage that even remotely approximates the kind of coverage we gave the Arab Spring movements early on. The corporate boardroom influence over television news is on display for all to see. It is in their interest that these stories not be covered substantively, if at all... and no coverage is exactly what we're getting. One of the idiot bimbos on CNN in the morning was actually smiling broadly and half joking around / laughing as she talked with "Part of the Problem" Rangel the other day about "hahaha, well gosh Congressman what to do about you 9% approval rating, and what about all these protestors?" "[With a smirk] Well, they're mad as hell and I understand how they feel..." Sure you understand. You, the guy who has been sucking on the corporate campaign tit and sucking lobbyists hard for 30+ years... yeah you're a real hero, Rangel. Get the fuck out and don't come back. New OWS slogan: Fire Congress Today, Enact Term Limits Tomorrow. ...into the light of a dark black night. |
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2) The automatic cuts for 2013 go into place. Much finger pointing and propoganda ensues. But hey we're finally saving funds! 3) Congress decides that they have until 2013 to try and overturn the cuts and go back to square one with a big FU to the American public. Let's all get bumber stickers! Formerly known as cynical_rock censeo tentatio victum There is no snooze button on a cat. |
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Join Date: May 2004
Location: NSA Archives
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The only thing that will save this country and regain confidence in our government is a constitutional convention. OWS needs to make this their goal. All change in Wall St. and everywhere else has to start with changes to the rules that govern Congress and Elections.
Amendment 1 - Overturn both SCOTUS rulings pertaining to elections (money is not speech, and corporations are not people with speech rights) Amendment 2 - Term Limits, no special benefits or pensions. Regular healthcare plan, regular vacation benefits, etc. Amendment 3 - Publicly financed elections (everyone can donate $1-5 on their W-2), equal distribution of monies among party finalists, equal air time mandated per month during 12 months leading up to election. Amendment 4 - Transparency in lobbying Act. Lobbyists cannot meet in private with anyone in Congress. All meetings to be publicly visible, all agendas to be publicly posted. All meetings caught out of public eye (golf course, wherever) is an indictable felony for both rep/sen and lobbyist. You want to make your case that something your company needs is important... FINE. Make your case, but you're going to make it before the American people. No more slithering around behind closed doors, no more "strategic advisory" roles for those in Congress. ...into the light of a dark black night. |
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Join Date: May 2004
Location: NSA Archives
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The LHC Has been Occupied by a man from the future!
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/man-...ture-49305387/ ...into the light of a dark black night. |
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Join Date: Jan 2005
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The Occupy Philly movement was evicted last night from the plaza outside of City Hall where they were camping. Only about 50 people arrested and I haven't seen any reports of violence during the eviction.
I'm just glad it didn't blow up into something like what happened in Oakland. My question to this is: How exactly do the Occupiers want this to end? What will be a reasonable outcome for them to stop "occupying?" No more Twitter. It's Mastodon now. |
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Join Date: Jul 2005
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The sad thing is, that I honestly think that if you put these conditions to 'the people' (all of them), I'm sure an overwhelming majority would say Yeah Baby! I'd even guess that we would be in the solid 80-90% - until the lobbyists and politicians spout enough lies to confuse the issues or scare-monger people into abandoning common sense. Alas, people don't really get to make the rules anyhow. And good luck ever getting a politician to put forth such sound ideas. Do you know where children get all of their energy? - They suck it right out of their parents! |
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Which way is up?
Join Date: Aug 2004
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Yep. No politician is going to get behind any of that. Moogs, although spot on, is asking the fox to guard the henhouse. No politician is going to line up behind this idea, nor is any lobbyist. Ain't gonna happen. Well, not until Americans hold their representatives responsible, which is why I think OWS is barking up the wrong tree. If they really want to get their point across, they would put every last stitch of effort into unseating ALL sitting politicians and campaign to elect a group that would have the courage to pass such an Amendment, regardless of that individuals party affiliation. And, yes, it will require a nation-wide and state-wide effort, as 2/3 of the states (both houses—Senate and House) must agree to even consider an Amendment, and then 3/4 of the states are required to ratify one!
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By the way, Moogs, you can get all that nonsense done in One Amendment, with 4 sections. So it could be the 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution, Sections 1, 2, 3, and 4. And it will need to contain some legal-sounding speak so that, 200 years from now, no one on Earth will be able to agree upon its original intent. - AppleNova is the best Mac-users forum on the internet. We are smart, educated, capable, and helpful. We are also loaded with smart-alecks! :) - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Mat 5:9) |
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Formerly “AWM”
Join Date: May 2009
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Your idea of voting out all incumbents reminds me of 1992 when Ross Perot mentioned it when he was running for President. The press went ape shit. Most likely because it would have meant a loss of Democratic control, which is all they knew, as well as the loss of the power elite/ruling class which they are members of. They were really afraid of the idea. |
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I am worthless beyond hope. Join Date: May 2004
Location: Inner Swabia. If you have to ask twice, don't.
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Ross Perot winning = loss of power from the elite?
Ha! HAHA! The story is the same: If you run for president and get anywhere you are a member of the elite. And there is nothing wrong with these politicians being elite; I wouldn't want Joe Sixpacks running the country. It's that their ears are held by a different sort of monied interest when it should be held by the public. |
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Some want nothing short of revolution. Mission fail. |
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Which way is up?
Join Date: Aug 2004
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Which is why that Amendment Moogs talked about needs to have Section 5) It is illegal to accept a bribe. If you are caught doing so, we the people reserve the right to serve you your own roasted testicles while simultaneously banishing you from the country. - AppleNova is the best Mac-users forum on the internet. We are smart, educated, capable, and helpful. We are also loaded with smart-alecks! :) - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Mat 5:9) |
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Space Pirate
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Atlanta
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By the way, where's left to "banish" people? I often wonder about this.
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Ninja Editor
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Bay Area, CA
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I think that's already illegal, though I doubt that particular punishment is allowed.
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Join Date: May 2004
Location: Tennessee
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And as far as the legality of my proposed punishment: You are quite correct. Feeding a politician his own roasted nuts would be considered cruel and unusual punishment under our current Constitution. But note that what I propose is a Constitutional Amendment, or a changing of the Constitution () thus permitting: Amendment 28, Section 5: Permitting a politician's constituents to castrate him/her, roast his/her goods before his/her eyes, and force-feed said goods to said politician. Upon completion of afore mentioned crunchiness, said guilty politician shall be shamelessly shackled to a Chinese container ship to set sale no more than one day after completion of said punishment. Said politician's life shall thereupon be placed into the hands of such good sailing as the captain of said Chinese container ship shall permit. Said politician shall thus remain forever banished from the United States of America and her territories (up to and including the 48 continental United States, Alaska, Hawaii, Guam, Puerto Rico, The U.S. Virgin Islands, The U.S. Mariana Islands, Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel, South Korea, Japan, Germany, all of Africa and Southeast Asia, France (well, maybe not France), Australia (including any Island within 24,000 miles of the mainland), South America, and all the nations of the world in which the United States bombs shit. Said politician will thus enter only China or Russia, and maybe Canada, but only if said politician refuses to identify him/her self as American. — Notice, also, that my addition to Moogs' Amendment allows this punishment only for politicians. Because they're special! Quote:
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I was going to say that it'll be interesting to see if OWS could win any seats in the next election here in the USA, but based on that... It'll 3012 before they'll think about taking the temperature of discussing coming to a consensus about what kind of paper and ink to use to print out their flyers. When I was a kid, people who did wrong were punished, restricted, and forbidden. Now, when someone does wrong, all of the rest of us are punished, restricted, and forbidden... and the one who did the wrong is counselled and "understood" and fed ice cream. |
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(Much like deficit spending, the problem isn't that it can be done or that it has been done; the problem is that everyone in Washington seems to think it was intended to be an everyday occurrence.) When I was a kid, people who did wrong were punished, restricted, and forbidden. Now, when someone does wrong, all of the rest of us are punished, restricted, and forbidden... and the one who did the wrong is counselled and "understood" and fed ice cream. |
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Yahhhh... that's the ticket.
That's why I listed them separately... so they can't all be dumped together / must be voted on separately. Don't know why I didn't think of that earlier. ...Probably because I was distracted by my wife. Perhaps you know her. Oh Morgan; the good people at Applenova would like to speak with you! Warning: Mostly NSFW Spoiler (click to toggle):
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Hates the Infotainment
Join Date: May 2004
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Back to serious mode.
The behavior shown below is a disgrace to our Constitution. I'm almost sick to my stomach after watching this. Why don't we just call cops in big cities what they are: corporate security. These ignorant assholes are walking around the Jefferson Memorial, warning regular citizens that they're going to be arrested for congregating (in small numbers), refusing to enumerate the charge, and throwing people to the ground for ... slow dancing. "Protesting by Dancing" is not a crime you stupid-ass thugs. THINK, cops. THINK. You're like a bunch of God Damned automatons. Who the FUCK do these people think they are; they're so fucking ignorant they either ignore or don't understand that they are defiling the very document they are sworn to uphold and the very people they are sworn to protect (so long as they're not breaking any non-imaginary laws, or infringing on other people's rights). Sorry but these people were calm-spoken, non-beligerant, were not hassling tourists or others or impeding them from enjoying the monument. Their crime is, they had the balls to stand up to ignorant police officers. And for that they get this. I get that common sense in most scenarios would dictate not being a wise guy with a police officer, but this is America and people DO have the right to speak their minds (in a non-threatening way) to even police officers. They are not Gods. Enough with the phony 9/11 hero worship this country has been doing for the last 10 years. The cops did their jobs that day and some died tragically. That does not make all cops and first responders "heroes", America. They are just regular, flawed human beings like the rest of us. This country needs to Wake The F Up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4ltTmp8xto ...into the light of a dark black night. Last edited by Moogs : 2011-12-19 at 12:10. |
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