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Jesus christ!! What the FUCK.
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Found at his girlfriend's(?) condo, and she was shot dead as well.
Very weird. I'm sure this is huge news up the road in Nashville. I recognized his name right away, even though I'm not really a football fan. But you can't live in Tennessee and not know a few names like this. Pretty awful. |
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I remember Steve McNair when he was at like Alcorn State or whatever. I always sorta pulled for him because he was a star from a no-name school. I like that type of story. I have no idea what he was like because I didn't really follow his career or life but still... 36. That's just 3 years older than me. Too young.
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So many of these athletes, despite their good fortune and ability to get away from the gangster BS lifestyle as athletes (unless of course you're a genius like Allen Iverson or Stephon Marbury), invariably find themselves hanging out with the wrong people during and after their careers. Thugs follow the money; simple as that. And some of these guys don't know a real friend from an enemy. Ray Lewis, Pacman Jones, Michael Vick, you name it. Not sure if this will end up being that but anytime you have gun violence in that context, you have to wonder.
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It currently looks like a murder/suicide. He was shot multiple times, while his "friend/girlfriend" was shot once to the head and the gun was found nearby. He had a wife, although to this point it sounds as if they were estranged. Who knows what will come of it, and the wife/girlfriend aspect makes it less than clean-cut, but McNair was widely known as a stand-up guy--a class act who also happened to be a great athlete. Issues of character aside, he'll leave a legacy. Tom Curran, at NBCSports.com: Quote:
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ESPN reported that the gun was actually found under her body. Yep, definitely appears to be murder/suicide.
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Well in that case the hanging out with the wrong people theory (as far as thugdom goes) doesn't apply. And I didn't mean to suggest McNair himself was one but you know how it goes... a lot of these guys are decent enough people but for reasons of image or whatever, they choose to hang around with others who are anything but. When Keepin' it Real goes wrong?
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I thought this was some particularly nourishing food for thought, from Mike Florio over at PFT:
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Stay away from crazy woman. There should be a required class for athletes on how to manage this. Well a few more of these and the Oxygen Network will be running Celebrity Snapped.
I don't know McNair's situation with his family. Athletes go through a rough time when their football career ends but seeing the scandals with politicians jumping on prostitutes and cheating with newscasters I'm not going to punish McNair anymore than them. In fact he wasn't lying about hanging out with this woman as far as I can tell. omgwtfbbq |
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They actually do have those in the NFL. Rookies have to go through a seminar before they enter training camp. It includes discussions on how to decide if someone is the type of person you should spend time with, with a particular emphasis on women and your entourage.
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It's actually required. And if you have to miss it for any reason (sickness, like Percy Harvin this year), you have to attend the following year.
Makes some of the choices that players make even harder to take (DUI, etc.). These players are educated on their choices, offered services (like free limo service when drunk, etc.), and still end up in bad spots (see: Leonard Little; Jared Allen; Donte Stallworth). "How could you falter / when you're the Rock of Gibralter? / I had to get off the boat so I could walk on water. / This ain't no tall order. / This is nothing to me. / Difficult takes a day. / Impossible takes a week." |
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No surprise here, it was a murder-suicide. Apparently, she shot McNair in his sleep (how thoughtful). Worst part?
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That's the thing. If you're cheating with someone (if you're the "cheatee"), common sense has to tell you that his initial vows/loyalty to his wife count for very little, so there's a good chance he's double- (or triple-) dippin'.
"You cheatin' on me?" Umm...you and I are already cheating. Remember? I have a wife. How can you be surprised? "Yeah, but I thought I was your only side piece!" It usually doesn't work that way, sweetpea... Many (most?) guys are gonna put it wherever they can, and if they've already crossed the line once, chances are they're not going to be too precious and observant about "loyalty" and vows and that whole thing. There's really no such thing as a "discriminating, moral cheater with a conscience". "Okay, I'll have a wife and just one girlfriend...because having two or three is just tacky, and that would make me a real lowlife a-hole, right?") |
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In a twisted way maybe it's good this sort of thing happens once in a while. Maybe some of these "genius" kids coming out of college ball will learn something... but most likely not. They all think they're freakin' invincible.
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Fact is he shouldn't have been cheating (probably) but he certainly shouldn't have been murdered. Trying to draw some sort of great moral lesson here is a waste since we're assuming 98% of the lead up, circumstances, and the events of the actual night of the killing. The guy played great football, and did great things for society during and after his career. Those are facts. The other fact is that somebody was killed who shouldn't have been killed. It happens a lot, sadly. Anything more than that assumes we know the scope and guidelines of his relationship with his wife. I'm not willing to go there yet, and quite frankly marriage infidelity is everywhere and if people were killed for it...well there would certainly be less traffic in all major cities. And All That Could Have Been |
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To me, this is just another incidence that points out the absurd toleration of gun violence in our society. In fact, today there is a report of a little 8-year old girl who died after taking two shots to the head. I always think at some point, Americans are going to wake up and realize this is out of control. Call me naive, I guess.
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ezk: at this point there's nothing that can be done. Prohibition of guns wouldn't work any better than prohibition of alcohol did last century. The only possible solution is self-control and Americans are probably the world's biggest underachievers when it comes to that. Witness our obesity problems, credit card addictions, gambling addictions and all the rest. It's a set of cultural failings that would take a generation or more to undo. Gun violence is just a symptom of it, though a very ugly one.
Argento... we all felt we were invincible to some degree in our early 20s as we drank and partied and did whatever else, but college football players take it to another level. Maintaining their bad-ass image, risk taking behavior and the rest are typically more acute than other types of athletes and certainly more so than non-athletes of the same age. Add millions of dollars to the mix and greedy hoodlum "friends" (including women) and you have a recipe for trouble. The point of all this being is many athletes coming into the NFL do not understand the concept of "action and consequence". And we see the proof on the nightly news every month just about and have for years. ...into the light of a dark black night. |
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But can't we have bullet control?
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There's gotta be some sensible middle ground between the unrealistic (and ridiculous, IMO) "no guns, ever!" contingent (who never seem to grasp that very simple, basic "street thugs and career criminals kinda make it a point to ignore and break laws" thing), and then the "guns for everyone, for any purpose, with no reasonable checks and verification because somehow that's a violation of our rights" voices from the other side.
Both sides (the extremes) tend to work my nerves. Last edited by psmith2.0 : 2009-07-09 at 18:16. |
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"So what they gone do ban the AK but my shit wasn't registered any fcking way"
Ice Cube I grew up in Tacoma Wa, a smaller town 40 minutes away from Seattle and home to a couple of military bases. Way back in the 90s we had the highest murder rate in the state I believe mainly due to gangs but there's an interesting side effect to areas like this. The mere "assumption" that someone has a gun leads to a bit more respect being doled out. Sure our murder rate was high because of gang violence but the presence of firearms is deterent to crime. Un-arm the civs and the criminals take over. Look at Katrina. omgwtfbbq |
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Too off-topic, contentious, baiting, divisive. And sensible.
My apologies. But the above remaining paragraph sums up what I was getting at just fine (in 1/6th the space, and 1/4th the snark). |
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I feel so sorry for McNair, to have this crazy 20-year-old, whose life was spiralling out of control, take him down with her. Gives me the absolute creeps. Such an incredible waste. On a trip I took, I stayed in a brand new Holiday Inn Express just off the freeway in a nice area just out of Tacoma. Sure enough, the next morning I woke up, went outside to put my luggage in the car, and the place was crawling with police and two homicide detectives because a murder had happened on the premises overnight. Really scary. |
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Holy smokes!
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