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View Poll Results: Minecraft Currency?
Yes, currency would be helpful. 3 21.43%
Meh. Brad or Turtle gives me whatever I ask for. 5 35.71%
No. Currency is the debbil. Unless I can get my face on it. Can I? 5 35.71%
Gah. I'm fucking sick of you Minecraft people. 3 21.43%
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MC: Currency
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2011-04-25, 22:39

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I <3 you too Robo. You know that.



This thread went waaaay off course from what I wanted. But whatev. I have to start cooking now. I'll see you all in a bit.

So it goes.
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2011-04-25, 22:42

When you come back, don't miss my response on the previous page. It will change your life.
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709
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2011-04-25, 22:48

It didn't change my life, but I certainly would've given you any blue dye I could've.


(I'm just boiling corn-on-the-cob now, so i have a half-hour or so before I need to get back in the kitchen)

So it goes.
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2011-04-25, 22:53

Robo, you are not to look at this. I mean it! DO NOT LOOK
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OK, fuck it. Bottom line, we need some sort of currency to wager, if you get my drift. This may be the most important thing in Minecraft ever.

So it goes.
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2011-04-25, 23:01

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709
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2011-04-25, 23:02

I feel like Grover now.
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2011-04-25, 23:04

I am hungry.
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2011-04-25, 23:08

You should come over. Corn-anacob, brats w/dill fixins, slaw, tata salad and BQ chips.

This, my friend, is not a plate, it's a meal.
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2011-04-25, 23:13

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Robo, you are not to look at this. I mean it! DO NOT LOOK
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OK, fuck it. Bottom line, we need some sort of currency to wager, if you get my drift. This may be the most important thing in Minecraft ever.
NOBODY LOOK AT THIS

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Are we all not supposed to know about k's "currency based games"? Because I already did.
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2011-04-25, 23:49

NOBODY LOOK AT THIS EITHER

I WARNED YOU

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Bryson
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2011-04-26, 00:31

Now, I'm as guilty as the next guy for taking the handouts, but...

I kind of agree with Robo. I don't want there to be a currency, because one of the things I like about Minecraft is that we share stuff, with no quantified method of repayment, just a general feeling of generalised good karma. If we were running a fully public server where anyone and his dog could join, hen it'd be a good idea, but we're not.

Which brings me to my second thought: Handouts should be much rarer. Rare materials are rare for a reason. Making a giant pile of clay/gold/lapis just makes a mockery of what little economy the game has.

Oh, and: Go Southwest of 0,0 and build a mine. You'll get all the lapis you desire....
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drewprops
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2011-04-26, 00:41

I like things the way they are now. It's a playground. If money starts up I'll be an outsider.
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2011-04-26, 00:42

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I don't want there to be a currency, because one of the things I like about Minecraft is that we share stuff, with no quantified method of repayment, just a general feeling of generalised good karma
What is proposed wouldn't affect that at all. I mean, why would anyone stop sharing shit at all? This is simply about getting gah see above fuck it whatever.

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Handouts should be much rarer. Rare materials are rare for a reason. Making a giant pile of clay/gold/lapis just makes a mockery of what little economy the game has.
This.

So it goes.
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I like things the way they are now. It's a playground. If money starts up I'll be an outsider.
It's slimeballs, ffsake. slimeballs. It's not like we're starting a fucking Chase branch in Bridgeport.
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2011-04-26, 00:49

An idea with the best of intentions = ded.

Fair enough.
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2011-04-26, 00:52

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What is proposed wouldn't affect that at all. I mean, why would anyone stop sharing shit at all? This is simply about getting gah see above fuck it whatever.
I think I'm missing the point then. If we're trying to assign value to the slimeballs, how else to we do it besides restricting or structuring trade?

K's casino has been discussed out in the open in the game. That's no secret. Is that what this is about?

Or are you just trying to dissuade resource creation by me and the turtles? If that's it, just say so.

I'm not trying to be argumentative here. I just honestly don't get the direction you're steering.

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Kraetos
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2011-04-26, 00:53

I was thinking, and I can always use raw materials directly for the casino. So don't worry about it not functioning if we don't have currency. Of course, that means I have to make it for-profit

As far as currency goes, the reason I thought it would be a cool idea is it would mean that there would be a store to buy rare/unobtainable materials and it would facilitate trade between players. But maybe its just more trouble than its worth. I can see how it could potentially be a lot of hassle for the ops.

I envisioned things like a big store ran by Brad where you deposit slimeballs to get materials from dispensers. Again, honor system. Brad would redistribute the slimeballs however he wants to. It means we can all self-serve for nether materials without having a big building full of free stuff in the middle of Bridgeport. I also envisioned everyone having small shops outside their homes so we can put materials up for sale and other players would have access to them (example: I have tons of lapis which robo could have "bought" from me) even when you're not online.

And I get where 709 is coming from. I feel weird asking for materials willy-nilly, unless I've lost something due to server glitching. But I want glowstone/soul sand/netherrack, as well as easier access to red and black dye.

Logic, logic, logic. Logic is the beginning of wisdom, Valeris, not the end.

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2011-04-26, 00:53

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An idea with the best of intentions
Before you declare it dead, would you try and clarify what the original intentions were?
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2011-04-26, 01:03

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NOBODY LOOK AT THIS EITHER

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Aww, I missed it? You tease!

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Which brings me to my second thought: Handouts should be much rarer. Rare materials are rare for a reason. Making a giant pile of clay/gold/lapis just makes a mockery of what little economy the game has.
I just want to add that I wasn't, like, making a giant blue brick to show off my mad lapis-getting skillz or anything. I've obviously copped to the fact that I may have received some assistance from above. It just didn't look right without the blue. Same with my new project. There's no way I could build it without large quantities of blue dyes (and every other dye). But it's not like I chose the project just to be all yo dawg I heard you liek lapis so i put lapis on my lapis or anything. I wish blue dye wasn't stupidly rare in the first place.

My solid gold mansion, on the other hand? Shit yeah, that's for showing off.

I'm guess I'm with Brad in not being exactly sure where everybody is coming from, on this. People seem to be arguing for and against different things. If I'm way off base, let me know.

and i guess i've known it all along / the truth is, you have to be soft to be strong
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2011-04-26, 01:08

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Before you declare it dead, would you try and clarify what the original intentions were?
Of course.

A) A way to obtain otherwise unobtainable or large quantities of materials (without having to bug you or wait until you're online).

B) The introduction of an item that has some specific value (tbd) that could be traded or or given to others.

C) (*see above) that could be used as a betting and/or gambling unit.

So it goes.
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2011-04-26, 01:13

What everyone is failing to get, is that this whole thing isn't about getting anything scary. It's about trading, betting, buying, and otherwise obtaining shit one would not normally get, and the introduction of an item to do so.

I may have janked the other thread by mentioning my distaste for freebies, but this thread isn't that one, so get over it.

So it goes.
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2011-04-26, 01:23

Honestly, I thought this would be an easy thing.



Don't believe a word he says.
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2011-04-26, 01:25

I feel like a dick for disagreeing with 709 after he offered me his floating island.
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2011-04-26, 01:33

You're disagreeing with something I haven't even't proposed though. So I call it a wash.

Never did I say "nobody should get nothin' unless they pay!"

I simply brought up a minimal idea of commerce. No biggie. If it's an idea that doesn't work for everyone then let's not do it.

So it goes.
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2011-04-26, 01:58

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I think I'm missing the point then. If we're trying to assign value to the slimeballs, how else to we do it besides restricting or structuring trade?

K's casino has been discussed out in the open in the game. That's no secret. Is that what this is about?

Or are you just trying to dissuade resource creation by me and the turtles? If that's it, just say so.

I'm not trying to be argumentative here. I just honestly don't get the direction you're steering.
Whoa. I missed this post entirely.

1) Um, by making it fun? Seriously, trading a stack of (X) for a certain amount of slimeballs is akin to what evil? Do you think you're going to have to dump a bunch of tea in the bay or something?

2) No. I didn't even know about the casino until tonight. I mentioned the idea of a monetary system before, so this is not a new idea. Learning about it earlier brought it back to my mind though.

3) Of course not. You've been more than generous to me and everyone else, and I appreciate it immensely. Sure, I may have an issue with turtle's admin use, but only because it's so blatant and gaudy (though the dispensers are perfect). That's just taste though.

4) Nor am I. I really thought this would be a fun no-brainer. Everything would stay exactly as it is now, except that we could buy stacks of material instead of asking. I don't know. Maybe some of us feel more comfortable paying for items. Nothing against you or anyone handing out goodies - I love getting presents - but I do hate to have to ask for anything.

So it goes.
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2011-04-26, 08:32

I'm sitting in the corner, weeping in confusion.
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2011-04-26, 08:38

I think people are aware you don't like asking for things, 709... In fact, there are a variety of different personalities wrt material trading on the server, and over time you get used to dealing with people individually...

What might convince people one way or another is to give an anecdote of the use of the currency in a real game situation (see what i did there)...

Don't weep Captain, for all is good in minecraft land....
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709
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2011-04-26, 08:41

It's not the first bad idea I've had.

I'm over it.
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2011-04-26, 08:53

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What might convince people one way or another is to give an anecdote of the use of the currency in a real game situation (see what i did there)...
I need a stack of slow-sand. A stack of slow-sand is worth 16 slimeballs. I go into the MoneyBank and deposit 16 slimeballs. I grab a stack of slow-sand.

It was supposed be be like trading bubble gum for baseball cards, but it ended up sounding like the NWO.

So it goes.
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2011-04-26, 09:09

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It was supposed be be like trading bubble gum for baseball cards, but it ended up sounding like the NWO.
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