[Franz Josef]

Just wanted to say, the Forum has a great look and feel. The grey is professional and serious without being boring and it's much better than having a white background.

The functionality is good too - it's easy to find threads and reply and track replies to your replies.

It even doesn't work properly with IE (I've read from the other thread), so congratulations all round.

[Brad]

Thank you for the kind compliments.

You can direct your compliments to Apple's web designers for the idea (see here), LoCash for choosing that page's style, and both me and LoCash for implementing it in code.

The reason parts don't work in IE is because IE is pure crap. PNGs are displayed wrong and the CSS box model is screwed all to hell. The next site update "unfortunately" might break even more in IE.

[adam_tj]

Originally Posted by Brad The next site update "unfortunately" might break even more in IE.

What do you mean, unfortunately!!! Embed something that say, deletes My Documents every time they visit!

[LoCash]

Also thank Apple's UI designers since most of this look and feel was their brainchild, we just saw it realized and reapplied to vBulletin.

[Franz Josef]

Originally Posted by Brad Thank you for the kind compliments. You can direct your compliments to Apple's web designers for the idea (see here), LoCash for choosing that page's style, and both me and LoCash for implementing it in code. The reason parts don't work in IE is because IE is pure crap. PNGs are displayed wrong and the CSS box model is screwed all to hell. The next site update "unfortunately" might break even more in IE.

Just wanted to say thanks - ingratitude is an ugly thing. Re IE, I'd have been dispappointed if it had worked properly. I removed IE from my PB today (leaving Safari, Camino and Firefox) and it felt good

[LudwigVan]

Just a note that not everybody who frequents this forum uses a Mac, much less has access to a computer that offers a choice of a non-IE browser.

So my request to the powers that be: at least keep this board functional for those of us in the Windows domain; cosmetics may be left by the wayside.

[Brad]

You see, this is where we're facing a problem.

We have to either drop IE "support" or forego adding some features we're been drooling over. Proper overflow support in individual posts is just one example that I've put a great deal of work into implementing (not available here on the live site yet).

And, for the record, in the month of January '05, only 10% of our page loads have come from IE users.

[ast3r3x]

I normally don't take my computer to school, so when I am in the library, I have to use a PC. I tried to install firefox, but don't have the needed privs.

[Enki]

I finally took a look at the Forum front page, I usually just let the tabs take me directly to the individual forums. All I can say is *wow*!

Nice job guys!

[DMBand0026]

If you don't have access to a non IE browser, make it so you do.

If your school or place of work won't allow you to install FireFox (IMO, the best Windows alternative to IE) make it so they allow it.

Talk to your IT guys, talk to the technology departments, send them links to sites that explain how dangerous using Internet Explorer is. Show them FireFox. Tell them that the department of homeland security encourages users to find an alternative to Internet Explorer because it's that unsafe. All jokes about the Department of Homeland Security aside, that's a pretty serious thing in my opinion.

To the admins...would it be possible to detect when someone tries to access the site with Internet Explorer and have a message on the front page for them to encourage them to download FireFox? I don't know if that's possible, or practical. But it would seem so if you have statistics of what browsers people are using to access this page.

Just another way to spread FireFox and get rid of IE. Something that can't be done soon enough if you ask me.

[Franz Josef]

Originally Posted by DMBand0026 If you don't have access to a non IE browser, make it so you do. If your school or place of work won't allow you to install FireFox (IMO, the best Windows alternative to IE) make it so they allow it. Talk to your IT guys, talk to the technology departments, send them links to sites that explain how dangerous using Internet Explorer is. Show them FireFox. Tell them that the department of homeland security encourages users to find an alternative to Internet Explorer because it's that unsafe. All jokes about the Department of Homeland Security aside, that's a pretty serious thing in my opinion. To the admins...would it be possible to detect when someone tries to access the site with Internet Explorer and have a message on the front page for them to encourage them to download FireFox? I don't know if that's possible, or practical. But it would seem so if you have statistics of what browsers people are using to access this page. Just another way to spread FireFox and get rid of IE. Something that can't be done soon enough if you ask me.

Looking at this in IE (not from the Mac obviously) and it doesn't quite look at good - the headers at the top of the page don't format properly. Moral is use Safari or Firefox (or Camino if that's your bag).

[onlyafterdark]

Yes, dont let go of future improvements just so IE can be used on these boards. Its just not worth it.

[autodata]

Originally Posted by ast3r3x I normally don't take my computer to school, so when I am in the library, I have to use a PC. I tried to install firefox, but don't have the needed privs.

Let them know that you want Firefox on the machines. All they need is a little motivation.

[LudwigVan]

Originally Posted by Franz Josef Looking at this in IE (not from the Mac obviously) and it doesn't quite look at good - the headers at the top of the page don't format properly. Moral is use Safari or Firefox (or Camino if that's your bag).

That's the just the look of the page in IE. I personally don't really give a rip about that.

Perhaps I should clarify further that my request was to retain at least basic functionality in IE. Of course, with the computers to which I have access (Windows only, alas), I have Firefox installed. As far as using compliant browsers go, I have that covered. I certainly understand that this site is not only geared toward Apple-/Mac-enthusiasts, but promoting the platform by forming this forum to work best (and exclusively?) on Mac browsers. And God bless you for it! But there are times when I and others may want to come here and must use whatever computers are at our disposal. And in this day and age - as matters stand now - it's a pretty safe bet the only browser on hand will be IE.

[Paul]

I didn't really want to start a new thread about this, but I have a humble request.
You know that icon in the bottom left of every post that indicates whether or not the user is online? Would it be possible to add the user's profile as a link for that button? The other two icons (reputation and report) have hyperlinks, so why not the first one?

And of course, the forums look great! (If it was otherwise, you'd hear about it

[adam_tj]

could someone put spaces between these please?





Thank you.

[Paul]

It is being worked on

[Paul]

Originally Posted by Brad You see, this is where we're facing a problem. We have to either drop IE "support" or forego adding some features we're been drooling over. Proper overflow support in individual posts is just one example that I've put a great deal of work into implementing (not available here on the live site yet). And, for the record, in the month of January '05, only 10% of our page loads have come from IE users.

What about this? (IE7)

[Brad]

And exactly how many IE users either a) know about that project or b) are able to install it (offices, kiosks, etc)? I'd wager not a whole lot.

[Paul]

Yeah, thats exactly what I thought... but it is better then "no support" for IE...

[autodata]

You guys are in a great position to just ignore IE. I'd say take advantage of the fact that you can do it since there are those of us that wish we could.

[Paul]

any chance a better "poll" icon (thats what the tooltip says on mouse-over) could be made? the X doesn't really convey it... Maybe a "?" (check/tic, opt-v) would work better... Also, this could be added to the regular forum display like the sticky flag and new post arrow.

[chucker]

Originally Posted by ast3r3x I normally don't take my computer to school, so when I am in the library, I have to use a PC. I tried to install firefox, but don't have the needed privs.

PortableFirefox? http://portablefirefox.mozdev.org/

[DMBand0026]

Good idea, but I think the point is that we already know about FireFox, others don't. And they're missing out since they're stuck using what is widely considered to be one of the (if not the) worst browser ever written for any platform.

The idea is to spread better applications and make people realize that their is life outside the walls Microsoft has put up.


"In a world without walls and ceilings there is no need for Gates and Windows."