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2020-08-19, 14:50

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2020-08-25, 12:44

Round 1 is split. The big fight goes to Apple, the little fight to Epic Games.

The judge correctly ruled that this fiasco was entirely of Epic's making and there will be no restraining order. However, she also ruled that the Unreal Engine would remain available since it is with a different account. We will see how that plays out.

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2020-08-25, 13:43

It makes sense to leave Unreal since it is a different account. I thought it was under the same account that broke the store agreements/contracts.
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2020-09-08, 14:58

Nifty! Apple files for damages in the lawsuit. I hope they get it too.
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“Although Epic portrays itself as a modern corporate Robin Hood, in reality it is a multi-billion dollar enterprise that simply wants to pay nothing for the tremendous value it derives from the App Store,” writes Apple in its suit.

“While Epic and its CEO take issue with the terms on which Apple has since 2008 provided the App Store to all developers, this does not provide cover for Epic to breach binding contracts, dupe a long-time business partner, pocket commissions that rightfully belong to Apple, and then ask this Court to take a judicial sledgehammer to one of the 21st Century’s most innovative business platforms simply because it does not maximize Epic’s revenues.”
Apparently Apple also made it public that Epic has made more than $600 million from the App Store. Not bad for being Robin Hood.

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2020-09-08, 17:59

They also made it public that Epic runs their own app store and charges developers and customers for access, while not permitting things to be downloaded from any other source.

These guys are jackholes, and nothing more.

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2020-09-08, 18:42

The walled garden as a concept is so well trodden, you have to wonder why Epic thought they would win this one? Fortnight being played out, as unlikely as that event is, is marginally more likely because of this conflict with Apple and Google. Epic has gotten too arrogant...
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2020-09-08, 23:48

Well, unless the courts wrongly decide in Epic's corner, Fortnight is done on the iPhone. With Epic's developer license permanently revoked, nothing but a court order in the favor of bullies will get it back in. They are finished, and Fortnight probably won't work at all in iOS 14, as developer app-signing will likely be terminated and the app will cease to function.

Then their cash-cow will cease to deliver and the game will be up. It's a terrible move long-term, and their only hope is that contract law is tossed under the bus, at which point every other developer will follow suit, the App Store will be undermined, and something like 95% of small developers will lose their store front and, thus, their livelihood.

Also at which point, Apple will be forced to begin charging $$$$ for software tools, and I can see entry into the system costing $25,000+ just to get access to Xcode, Apple's extensive API libraries, and the App store. (Too expensive? Well, there's always Google Play and it's freeware and virus-infected crapfest. I love that Apple pointed out Epic's utter failure at protecting their customers in that hell-hole. Oh, and there's also the old CD/Walmart shelf model. That could work. )

But, Epic would love that because the competition they brazenly claim to crave will be wiped out. Wait, so there is an endgame!

Actually, Apple would still have a horse in the race. The App Store could remain, and access could remain at $99/year + 30% commission. Or, devs could choose the other "competitive stores", provide their own API's, pay $25,000 to access Xcode to make their crap work on iOS, develop their own store fronts or web-based side-loading garbage, and then prepare a large legal-defense fund so they can defend themselves after their server gets hacked and all those credit card numbers get stolen.

In other words, consumers only win if Apple does.

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2021-05-21, 07:21

I didn't see a dedicated thread to the ongoing court fight between Epic Games and Apple Computer. If there is one please fold this into that thread.

Apple dropped a bombshell by accusing Epic Games of being a stalking horse for Microsoft . That's a pretty wild Matlock Moment.

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2021-05-21, 09:17

I created one a while ago but this has been a slow moving process.
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2021-05-21, 09:45

That is an interesting theory. I really wonder how involved they were in push Epic to make the move.
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2021-05-21, 10:52

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I didn't see a dedicated thread to the ongoing court fight between Epic Games and Apple Computer. If there is one please fold this into that thread.
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My suspicion is that the advertising industry* is the real goat behind the fence in this thing. They knew they were going to take a hit, and they are already behind the anti-trust cases being levied in the EU. I will not be at all surprised if they are behind anti-trust in every nation, and even behind Epic's actions. There is a lot of money at stake with Apple's "privacy first" approach. A lot!

* That would include all advertisers, including MS. Advertising is huge business, and they have more to lose from Apple's actions than any other entity. Cui bono?

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2021-05-21, 13:55

It is really true. I mean, privacy is expensive. We pay less for smart devices with the concept that our data is their real income not selling the widget.
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