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Senator Joe Biden ( eight Democrats) 0 0%
Senator Hillary Clinton 12 13.64%
Senator Christopher Dodd 0 0%
Former Senator John Edwards 4 4.55%
Former Senator Mike Gravel 0 0%
Representative Dennis Kucinich 7 7.95%
Senator Barack Obama 25 28.41%
Governor Bill Richardson 1 1.14%
Senator Sam Brownback (ten Republicans) 0 0%
Rudy Giuliani, former mayor of New York City 7 7.95%
Mike Huckabee, former Governor of Arkansas 5 5.68%
Representative Duncan Hunter 0 0%
Dr. Alan Keyes 0 0%
Senator John McCain 3 3.41%
Representative Ron Paul 19 21.59%
Mitt Romney, former Governor of Massachusetts 2 2.27%
Representative Tom Tancredo 1 1.14%
Fred Thompson, former senator of Tennessee 2 2.27%
Voters: 88. You may not vote on this poll

Your *possible* 2008 Presidential Vote
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drewprops
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2007-10-12, 03:14

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You forgot Christian, DG, though I don't know if there are any non-Christians among the candidates. But you're right, the distribution of gender, ethnicity, and religion is rather skewed. Allow me to illustrate this with a diagram (from my own humble website):

Hey, I think you got Bill Clinton wrong in that middle thingy didn't you?
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2007-10-12, 03:27

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Among Republicans, Giuliani is the only one I wouldn't be unhappy with. The others who have a chance (Thompson and Romney) are just rehashes of Bush, and I would be shocked and appalled if either of them won.
Are you implying Giuliani isn't a rehash of Bush (the administration, not the person)?

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2007-10-12, 03:28

You guys see Romney the other day with the patient who had muscular dystrophy?

It's nice when your work accomplishes something.

And keep it civil.

Comments along the lines of "all member of this party suck because" don't accomplish anything. If you have a problem, keep it confined to the candidate and an actual issue/statement/stance.

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2007-10-12, 03:49

If only Mike Gravel or Al Gore were part of this poll
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2007-10-12, 07:53

I think I voted for bush again, my ballot was faulty.
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2007-10-12, 08:15

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If only Mike Gravel or Al Gore were part of this poll
Al Gore got his Nobel today. But he still can't win his own state.
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2007-10-12, 17:27

Before this thread becomes a political argument, I am going to cast my vote:

Beer.

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2007-10-12, 18:02

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Don't be. The drumbeat by the republicans crowning Hillary as the nominee is a concerted effort to rile up the republican base. She's more polarizing than any other candidate in the field and if anything will get the base out to vote, it's her on the other side of the ballot.
Good point, tori. I 'am' aware of this premise, about the right wanting Hillary as the nominee; but I am assuming that the poll itself was conducted among randomly selected voters (who presumably *weren't* spin doctors ), and I was surprised at such a result.

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Let's be blunt here. Every US president in history has been an old white guy.
Um... JFK, age 43; Bill Clinton, age 46. As world leaders go, I wouldn't say someone in their 40's would be considered *old*, would you? Middle-aged, maybe; but not exactly 'old'.
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Have the factors accounting for that depressing fact subsided in the last few years? I think not. Sex and skin colour condemn Obama, Clinton and Keyes to far harsher judgement than the rest of them, who mostly look like bit-actors contesting a role as US president in a Hollywood blockbuster. By all accounts the three people I just mentioned are phenomenally talented (if also annoying and alarming in their various ways), but I have little confidence in any of them being given a fair shake.
Well, Dorian, I think that the nation is sort of *easing up* to the possibility of being able to feel comfortable in choosing a minority or woman as President.

I like Obama very much as a 'person'; but I think he'd be a more *experienced* presidential candidate in eight years or so, and I'd probably love to vote for him then.

I think one truly *amazing* feature (and maybe the *only* one) about our current president is his perfect willingness to place women and minorities in high positions - Condi Rice being the perfect example, as both a woman *and* a minority.

I honestly don't think this openness is particularly typical of a male raised in a small Texas oil town. Of course, George's highly capable mother was a remarkably strong influence on him, and probably accounts for this good feature of his personality.

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The election is also so distant at this stage that it's a safe bet that anyone leading now will be languishing second-from-last come November 2008. So that's another reason to bet against Clinton.
Well, the *election* may be distant, but the primaries are just *weeks* away, and much will be decided at that time.

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Are you implying Giuliani isn't a rehash of Bush (the administration, not the person)?
Giuliani is for the woman's ability to choose wrt abortion, and for civil unions for same-sex couples; so I'd say he is definitely *not* a rehash of what we have in office now.

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You guys see Romney the other day with the patient who had muscular dystrophy?

It's nice when your work accomplishes something.
I did *not* see Romney with that patient. What happened? Was it someone who *hadn't* had medical insurance in the past, but now 'did' have, because of Romney's efforts as governor?

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2007-10-12, 18:08

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY6UTnS6Z-A

He's a superstar! A true example of compassionate!



Long story short, in the 12 states where Medical MJ is legal, the only people being arrested are being arrested by the DEA and other federal agencies. The pres. would have the authority to call off raids and arrests of medical MJ patients when elected.

(and yes, they do harass wheelchair bound medical MJ patients in states where it's legal, taking their plants/drugs and threatening them with arrest)

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2007-10-12, 18:11

I'm just glad to be able to vote in the next elections. It will be a good feeling knowing that I have at least a tiny say in my government. (that is if it isn't rigged)
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2007-10-12, 19:40

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Giuliani is for the woman's ability to choose wrt abortion, and for civil unions for same-sex couples; so I'd say he is definitely *not* a rehash of what we have in office now.
I don't even know where to start with my complaints with Bush (the only issue we agree on is the space program), but one area where I really take issue is Bush's horrible propensity to hide behind Christianity as the driving force behind his decisions. He's an overly religious zealot and a hypocrite. If for no other reason, Giuliani is the Republican I would most likely vote for (other than Ron Paul) just because he can't be hypocritical from the religious angle. The fact that he openly talks about his past marriages and stuff is a point in his favor as far as I'm concerned (not the adultery and divorces, just the fact that he's willing to talk about them). Because of that, he can't really be a huge hypocrite the way Bush is.

I'm not saying that I love Giuliani. It's just that, compared to the other Republicans, he's a bit different. If he wins the primary, that's good news for this country in general - it's a sign that things are starting to swing a little bit more towards the center. I don't think Republicans in general (not the hardcore party-line folks, but your typical Republican voter) wants business as usual this time around. Being Bush v3.0 isn't going to win votes. Even if Thompson or Romney wins the primary, I don't think either one has any chance of winning the general election unless they cheat on a great scale.
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2007-10-12, 20:01

http://www.selectsmart.com/president/2008.html

Seems worth adding here. Take the test, it will match your thoughts with the candidates that hit on the same beliefs.

No surprises for me this year, but the first time I did this back in 2000 I found that my beliefs are most closely associated with Socialism. Sadly, they don't tell you that type of info anymore.

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2007-10-12, 20:35

That thing says that I should vote for John McCain, Mitt Romney, Al Gore and Rudy Giuliani... in that order.... so that's how I'm going to vote....
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2007-10-12, 20:45

I voted Ron Paul. I agree with his stances on most issues and I'm confident he'll do what he says.

Of course, I live in Texas, so it's not like my vote matters much anyways.
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2007-10-12, 20:53

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That thing says that I should vote for John McCain, Mitt Romney, Al Gore and Rudy Giuliani... in that order.... so that's how I'm going to vote....
Just when I was thinking that Gore could be a good choice!!

Guess I'll be steering clear of him now.

Drew, we gotta work on you!! Romney??!!?? I'm from Michigan, all I can say is Yikes!

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2007-10-13, 18:00

Hey, so I was driving through town 30 minutes ago and passed through Little Five Points, Atlanta's minuscule version of 'The Village' (except it's not) and there was a rally going on at the corner park there.... something I haven't seen lately... what was especially confusing was when my eyes focused on the sign.... it was for Ron Paul 2008.... what the????

The guy on the mike lead off with some rambling statement about being a pothead, which shuffled off into guffaws of laughter and an obvious moment of forgetting why he was there in the first place.... the light changed just as I was grabbing my camera from my hip pocket so all I got was this...




Could somebody help me out with a quick sketch of Ron Paul's positions?? The only thing I found was that it sounds like he's willing to look the other way when it comes to soft drugs like marijuana, hence the hipptide rally..... is that correct? It was funny, regardless of the story....

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2007-10-13, 18:14

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Could somebody help me out with a quick sketch of Ron Paul's positions?
Libertarian, except when not (such as when it comes to abortion).

http://www.ontheissues.org/Ron_Paul.htm
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2007-10-13, 18:55

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Could somebody help me out with a quick sketch of Ron Paul's positions??
Detailed interview form last night on PBS
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2007-10-15, 15:14

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Could somebody help me out with a quick sketch of Ron Paul's positions?? The only thing I found was that it sounds like he's willing to look the other way when it comes to soft drugs like marijuana, hence the hipptide rally..... is that correct? It was funny, regardless of the story
Abortion: He is anti-abortion, but does not feel that the Feds (or the courts) have any business legislating it. He believes it should be left up to the states.

Drugs: He is anti-drug, but see above.

Iraq and war: He is absolutely against an interventionist foreign policy. War should be declared, not entered into at the President's whim. He would pull out all troops immediately, as well as bring most home from other "hot spots".

Big Government: He's against it. Period. Make it smaller.

Entitlements: He does not like them at all and would work to phase them out (all of them), including Social Security. He would like to end welfare, medicaid, medicare and SS (albeit over a period of years), eliminate the tax to support them and let the people choose what to spend their money on.

Religion: He believes the government has no right to make any law governing religion in any way, as our Constitution specifically states. He believes, rightly, that the words "separation of church and state" appear nowhere in the constitution.

IRS: Wants it to go away and raise revenue by two methods: decreasing spending and I can't remember what he called the other one, but it made sense.

Education and other bureaucracies: He wants to eliminate them because we don't need them.

Healthcare: He believes that no one is entitled to "health care" (or "sick care" as he calls it), and it should not be legislated.

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Just a smattering.

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2007-10-15, 20:34

I'm Canadian. I voted Edwards. Sue me.
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2007-10-15, 23:26

Hopefully the older crowd comes out in full force and keeps Obama and/or Hilary out of the office. It'd be refreshing to see a Ron Paul but it will never happen.

...and calling/e-mailing/texting ex-girlfriends on the off-chance they'll invite you over for some "old time's sake" no-strings couch gymnastics...
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Hopefully the older crowd comes out in full force and keeps Obama and/or Hilary out of the office. It'd be refreshing to see a Ron Paul but it will never happen.
Care to elaborate a bit?
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2007-10-15, 23:52

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Care to elaborate a bit?
The 40+ crowd is the one that shows up in full-force at the polls. Hopefully, they make the right choice and keep republicans in office.

Ron Paul would be great because he would trim the fat. There is absolutely no reason that I should be funding other people retirements so they can frivolously spend their money. There is also no reason that I should be taxed so some lazy county worker who has sat at his job for 30 years gets 6-7 paid weeks of vacation a year. Too many bureaucrats.

...and calling/e-mailing/texting ex-girlfriends on the off-chance they'll invite you over for some "old time's sake" no-strings couch gymnastics...
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2007-10-16, 00:00

God you are a humourless curmudgeon.

Having watched the PBS interview with Ron Paul, my take on him is that he's a wolf in sheep's clothing. His stance on abortion should set alarm bells ringing, but even if it doesn't, his entire platform seems based on ripping the guts out of the welfare state, which is undoubtedly the most significant political contributor to social development and human welfare in the last century. Absurd!

But his voice has that earnest croaking timbre and his honest eyes make people fall for him. Surprised that he's popular with the young though!

You're quite right, Windswept, JFK and Clinton were pretty young by world leader standards.

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2007-10-16, 00:04

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God you are a humourless curmudgeon.
Why?
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2007-10-16, 00:13

No idea, tens. I guess you and I are just as fundamentally incompatible as two people can be.
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2007-10-16, 00:27

Ron Paul!!

If he doesn't win the nomination, I'm writing him in.

I like his emphasis on State's rights. What can I say.. I'm a small government kind-of-guy. The only thing I don't agree with him on is abortion. I feel it should be left up to the woman. I'm not going to force my personal beliefs on anyone.

Deal with it.
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2007-10-16, 01:16

I really have faith in Edwards. That and I think he is the only Democrat with a chance.
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2007-10-16, 02:02

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Libertarian, except when not (such as when it comes to abortion).

http://www.ontheissues.org/Ron_Paul.htm
You are confusing his personal opinion on abortion (he opposes it, apparently based on his religious beliefs) and his stance on abortion (it's not the federal government's business to regulate, so let the states decide). His stance is as libertarian as can be. The lower level you get to decide things on, the closer you are to self-government.

I'm actually particularly impressed by him simultaneously voicing a strong personal belief yet not willing to bend the system an inch for it (as indicated by his voting record). I doubt most of the other candidates have enough backbone to do either, far less both.
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