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kscherer
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2022-01-11, 00:48

The Unforgivable

Netflix; starring Sandra Bullock

Tells the story of a cop killer out on parole and trying to get her life back on track.

One of the best movies I've seen in 20 years at least. Very well directed and acted, with a fun, engaging plot that kept me wondering who I was rooting for. 5-stars, two thumbs up, Bullock should get an Oscar, as should the director. If you're on Netflix I highly recommend this gem.

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2022-01-11, 04:21

Wow.

BTW, where did she go? I haven’t seen her in ages. I still think she’s awesome in Speed.
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2022-01-11, 09:09

Go Wildcats!
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2022-01-11, 12:36

She's been great in some stuff, not so great in others. A lot of her work has relied on her pretty face more than her acting skills (Miss Congeniality, I'm looking at you!). Speed was good, but a bit too far-fetched. If you look at her Filmography on Wikipedia, there's not a lot there that jumps out. The Blind Side was excellent, and don't get me started on Minions!

But, let me tell you, The Unforgivable is one of those once-in-a-lifetime acting performances that truly resonates (like Tom Hanks in Forrest Gump) where the lead just becomes the role. Seriously, when I went to bed last night I was still thinking about the plot twist and how well it was pulled off and how well Sandra Bullock sold it*. I loved it!

* This is one of those times where I'm not even going to post a spoiler, because I don't think this movie can be enjoyed if one knows the outcome. I seriously found myself rooting for all the parties, because all of them had ground to stand on. And then it all went flippidy-do and I was

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Brad
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2022-01-13, 23:23

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PS - It just dawned on me that new Ghostsbusters movie (Afterlife?) opened last month. For all the folks here eagerly awaiting its arrival, I've yet to hear any talk here. Did nobody see it? Did it make any sort of impact?
Now that it's being distributed outside of theaters, I finally saw Ghostbusters Afterlife. It hit various streaming sites and Blu-ray retailers a week or two ago, and I managed to avoid any discourse or spoilers online from theater-goers until seeing it for myself at home.

Growing up a child of the '80s, I loved the Ghostbusters movies. I watched the "Real Ghostbusters" cartoons. I had lots of action figure toys and the Kenner proton pack and accessories (not my photo). In 2008, I built a proton pack with hand-wired lights and sounds and kitted out a tan flight suit (one size too big, apparently just like theirs in the movie!) for Halloween.

You know, I'm something of a fan myself. So, I have some opinions about this new movie.

*cracks knuckles*

Actually, I think it was fine. Not great. Not terrible. Just fine. Ghostbusters Afterlife was a fun, safe little romp. Decent "popcorn flick" material. That's why it was probably a "failure", though. The makers of this movie didn't imbue nearly enough of the witty dry comedic charm that the original crew had, and large parts of the story are a thinly-veiled retread of the original 1984 movie.

I suspect the complete shit-show of the "reimagined" Ghostbusters 2016 had a lot to do with Afterlife's performance. GB2016 was 50% "improv" "comedy", 50% shameless cash grab, and 0% respect for the original source material. The wide disappointment and fallout from that outing surely soured audiences, killing a ton of potential interest for this one, and I'm sure that the writing and direction for Afterlife was affected by GB2016. Much of Afterlife feels almost like a knee-jerk to the opposite direction, playing it too safe, and catering too hard to nostalgia and fan service whereas GB2016 preferred to just shit on the fans.

(Don't get me wrong, though. Ghostbusters Afterlife is light years ahead of Ghostbusters 2016 in every respect. Story. Writing. Direction. Cinematography. Wardrobe. Effects. Lore. Comedy. Drama. Nostalgia. I'd watch Afterlife a hundred times before watching GB2016 again. I'd still rather watch the '84 original, though.)

This movie was released a year and a half late, too. It was announced in January 2019 for "Summer 2020". Yes, movie schedules are always crazy and shifting, but the pandemic's affect on at least my sense of time made that feel like an eternity ago. By the time it finally hit theaters (not that I was going to theaters during pandemic anyway), my honest reaction was, "oh, it's finally out." I should have been pumped. American middle class guy who grew up in the '80s with all the media and toys? I must have been one of their core demographics.

I've been trying to stay spoiler-free so far here, but I'll share a few more thoughts and reactions inside the block…

Major spoilers ahead. You've been warned. Seriously, if you plan to see it, skip this comment until later. Paul? This means you! Get outta here!

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The kids were all okay enough in their roles. I had my biggest doubts about how Phoebe would play out, but she grew a bit on me. Not great, but a fine mini-Spengler homage. Somehow I think I actually like Podcast the most of the kids.

I thought Paul Rudd would be a dumb addition, but I liked his Mr. Grooberson character. I suspect adult viewers will find his character the most relatable.

I liked the idea of the boys splitting up and Spengler "going bye-bye" on the farm. He literally bought the farm and then he figuratively bought the farm… on the farm. That's also a pretty good way to force the old boys out of the picture and introduce some mystery and conflict that need to be resolved.

When I saw the "Shandor Mining" signs I though it was just going to be a neat throwaway reference, not the centerpiece of the story.

I sighed when the hole in the ground said "Gozer".

At one point, when Finn Wolfhard (I've already forgotten his character's name) takes the Ecto-1 for a spin, the CG effects are so bad that it completely broke my suspension of disbelief, and I felt like I was watching a video game or fan film. It was when the Ecto-1 hits a hill, launches easily ten feet into the air, and comes crashing down nose-first onto the pavement… and just keeps on driving like it was nothing.

Actually, I just scrubbed back to that scene. The tires, suspension, axle, frame, and windshield of this car should be completely toast. Look at how the engine bay and hood buckle and bend up! I don't mean to nitpick special effects, but most of this movie has really good CG work, and this cartoonish landing was a big yikes for me.



Unoriginal metal-eating slimer redux? Unoriginal metal-eating slimer redux. Eh.

The gunner's seat was a cool addition, though. I could totally buy that as an addition the old boys made at some point.

That little remote control trap car should have been capped at 60 maybe 120 seconds, though. That thing must have its own miniature nuclear reactor to keep running for so long, and the kids (writers) were stupid not to slow the car down for just two seconds to scoop it up instead of having it following them at full speed for how many miles of road through town and far enough into the countryside that you can't see any of the town in the distance?

I think I could feel my eyes rolling back into my head when the little Stay Puft Marshmallow men showed up in the middle of the Wal-Mart product placement. Ugh. We get it already. Please stop force-feeding me nostalgia that's completely out of line compared to its presence in the original movie.

When the terror dogs showed up, I realized that the latter half of the movie was just going to be the first movie but not as good.

Gozer retread aside, seeing Ivo Shandor was a weird surprise, and I chuckled when he finally met Gozer in person.

The climax and denouement. Obviously designed to squeeze the nostalgia center of the brain even harder than anything else in the movie. It was bittersweet seeing the old boys in their costumes, and after all these years, they still have some chemistry together. After the credits rolled, my wife leaned over and said she could tell that Egon's appearance was supposed to strike an emotional chord, but it just fell flat for her. Well, it worked on me. I knew exactly what they were doing, but nevertheless I still felt a big old sad swell up in my chest and eyes when I saw the late Harold Ramis reincarnated on the screen. You got me, movie. You fucking got me. My emotional reaction was surely more about seeing Harold Ramis, though, not Egon Spengler. Ramis seemed like a good guy, and that touching scene reminded me of all of our mortality, and frankly, it probably reminded me of a few other recent real-world deaths too.

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psmith2.0
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2022-01-14, 05:09

Good review. I remember those Halloween pics and you were the person I was waiting most to hear from about it, knowing your were likely AN’s biggest fan.

I stayed out of the spoiler section.
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2022-01-14, 05:27

AMC played Clooney and Schumacher’s Batman and Robin yesterday.

That is truly one awful movie, top to bottom. Even Uma Thurman, who I love in everything I’ve ever seen her in, was unbearable here.

Everyone in this movie needed a paycheck, apparently. There’s no way any of them signed on thinking they were making something legit or meaningful. There’s just no way.

It is so bad. I sat and watched parts of it with my mouth open and/or my eyes rolling out of my head.

You could tell Joel Schumacher was trying to do a modern day take on the 1966 TV show…the loud colors and cartoonish sets, Dutch angles, hammy acting, the goofy henchmen, etc. I still can’t believe he refrained from the on-screen “POW!”, “BAM!”, overlays during the fight scenes! I’m sure he tried but WB said “no, we’re making a serious movie here, Joel…we must draw the line here. Now get back to your homoerotic, neon-splashed nippled bat opus and do us proud!”



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drewprops
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2022-01-16, 03:36

Oh let me tell you: Eternals deserved the panning it received. It simply didn't gel. First blame goes to the material. I never really identified with the (too huge) cast of good guys. Not every comic deserves to be turned into a big budget film series.

The public only has an appetite for a certain number of heroes, chiefly the "name brand" characters that have been around in media for decades.

The further we stray down the road of lesser known heroes, the trickier it will become for general audiences to buy in.


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drewprops
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Yesterday, 08:32

Watched Gorky Park last night.

Pretty corking thriller, set in Russia.

William Hurt, Lee Marvin, Brian Dennehy.

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Brad
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Yesterday, 09:53

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Oh let me tell you: Eternals deserved the panning it received. It simply didn't gel. First blame goes to the material. I never really identified with the (too huge) cast of good guys. Not every comic deserves to be turned into a big budget film series.

The public only has an appetite for a certain number of heroes, chiefly the "name brand" characters that have been around in media for decades.

The further we stray down the road of lesser known heroes, the trickier it will become for general audiences to buy in.


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I saw Eternals a few days ago too, and in hindsight, what a bore.

I agree with a comment I saw elsewhere on the internet: the Eternals maybe could have been salvaged if they used the 8-hour-ish Disney+ miniseries/TV show format so they could have more breathing room to flesh out the characters and maybe, I dunno, give us a reason to care about any of them. Most of them were just so dang broody and completely unlikable and too invincible for me to have any emotional attachment. When it was finally over, I couldn't care less about seeing any of them ever again (except maybe the Bollywood star and his valet with all the cameras; their comedic relief was the one glimmer of hope in the movie), and I actually chuckled when I saw the "ETERNALS will return…" text at the very end of the post-credits tease. Yeah, right. I'm sure they will.

I also just saw Spider-Man 3 last night (the last of the Tobey Maguire ones) because I never saw it before and am trying to catch up on all that Spider-backstory before No Way Home arrives on streaming. Yes, I'm a decade and a half late to this party. I know Spider-Man 3 is the internet's punching bag. People love to hate on it. Some people consider it "so bad it's good". There's a fantastic "Bully Maguire" meme where people make absurd video mash-ups of Spider-Man being an asshole, and those videos always include a good number of clips from Spider-Man 3.

It's not a great movie and, yes, it's a bit campy at times and the characters sometimes do some stupid things and sometimes the pacing is awkward, but, honestly it's not completely terrible and, damn it, I actually enjoyed it a heck of a lot more than I enjoyed Eternals.

The "Amazing" movies with Andrew Garfield are next on my list. I remember renting the first one's DVD from Netflix about ten years ago, back before streaming took off, and we didn't even finish watching it. I remember the tone and character portrayals were such a massive shift from the Sam Raimi/Tobey Maguire ones that we got distracted at some point, were going to "finish it tomorrow", and never did. I wonder if I'll also enjoy them more today after having experienced such a wide breadth of superhero movies over the last decade.

If nothing else, the string of DC bombs and duds like Eternals give me a new sort of respect for the earlier trail-blazers.

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Yesterday, 10:38

That’s very true. 10-15 years ago It all seemed so fresh and exciting - those Raimi Spidey movies, the first two Nolan Batflicks and 2008’s Iron Man.

We truly had no idea just how lame and shitty all those could become (or lead to), just a short decade or so later.

We were so innocent and trusting.

I’m over/had it with superhero comic movies, Marvel and DC. The former said all it needed and gave the world all the top tier ones people genuinely care about. Now they’re scraping the barrel and trying to make movies about anyone who ever appeared in an issue of a comic. No thanks.

And the latter? Those guys never even got off the ground…their wheels never left the runway, starting with Man of Steel. They’ve botched it all. They’re already reboooting/resetting characters, delaying certain sequels, canceling others, etc.

If I never see another caped three-point-landing again, I’ll be just fine. I can’t keep going back to that tired-ass well. They’re not even well-written, once you set aside your overall excitement and look at them objectively the way you would any other movie not centered around costumed superheroes. I need more than fan-service, quips and “set pieces”…and that’s all most of these things are, to varying degrees.

I’m out. THWIPPP! KA-RAANNG! KER-SPLATTT!!!

PS - “Eternals will return…” my ass. No they won’t. That’s some Marvel exec on drugs.
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Yesterday, 12:48

Speaking of Marvel, I saw a new trailer for Moon Knight, starring Oscar Isaac. (I know it's actually a TV show - it certainly looks like a movie -shall I copy/paste the below in that other thread too?)

I remember when I saw this in 1989, and he was called Batman.

"Make the outfit white, nobody will notice!"

Reading the character's Wikipedia entry, the character is the Chicago-born son of a rabbi.

Not sure why Isaac has a Dick van Dyle-level British accent and the trailer is full of double-decker buses and other London stuff.

I guess they're trying something new/different?

In any case, it just looks like a hoaky, derivative movie, like something I've seen about 8-12 times already. You just know there's a brooding, slo-mo three-point-landing somewhere in the third act. Awesome, I've only seen that about 83 times since 2005...

They're trying so hard to make Isaac a genre superstar/figurehead. I just don't think that's his path, or future. Seems it would've happened by now. He's a solid actor, good-looking guy, doesn't seem to have any weird baggage/idiocy weighing him down, etc. He just always seems more believable/enjoyable in smaller, quirkier roles than big, loud superhero/sci-fi fare. He started out so strong in The Force Awakens ("Hey, here's our new, cocky space-jockey/shoot-first-ask-questions-later character..."), but by the time the next two rolled around, he was just (bad) comic relief and an annoying quip machine.

Having said all that, this is the sort of thing that will probably fare better in episodic TV form than a one-shot two-hour movie. As with The Mandalorian, there's more time to expand/explain stuff, and there's less risk and a better-bang-for-the-production-buck, this TV stuff. Although I've read that the character will indeed appear on the big screen in future MCU outings, so this is his life-action introduction before he shows up in Eternals II: More Eternalier (or perhaps the Captain Marvel sequel nobody on the planet is asking/waiting for).

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