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This will pair nicely with their $799 keyboard.
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They did it before. Nobody’s asking/expecting them to sell a $279 display. I certainly don’t.
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The least expensive display Apple has made in the last 15 years was the 24" ACD at $899. Even that is not an inexpensive display, nor is it priced as a "consumer" display. Anything above $500 is pushing into pro territory.
All they need to do is remove the iMac from the 24" iMac and they have the best display in the class that cannot conceivably cost more than $799, and even that is pushing it as far as price is concerned. The 27" thing sounds like it's going to be a mini version of the Pro Display XDR, so that's already more expensive than the computer it's sitting next too. And here is a guarantee/fear: Apple will make a 24" and 27" display, but they will forget to make them the same height as the iMacs, so we will — once again — have to prop them up on a stack of books to make them work right. Methinks that Apple forgot how to make displays about ten years ago, and they may never find those chops again. - AppleNova is the best Mac-users forum on the internet. We are smart, educated, capable, and helpful. We are also loaded with smart-alecks! :) - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Mat 5:9) |
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Now, with subpixel rendering gone, most third-party displays look like garbage. (I still can't believe I'm the only person who's willing to die on this hill. ) |
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Hey, it just occurred to me that the solution to this problem is absolutely dirt cheap. Probably wouldn't cost Apple more than $7.68 to implement.
JUST ENABLE TARGET DISPLAY MODE ON IMACS, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!!! See? Buy a base model 24" iMac with Target Display mode, and you get the best 24" display in the industry for $1299. And you get a free server for Minecraft! - AppleNova is the best Mac-users forum on the internet. We are smart, educated, capable, and helpful. We are also loaded with smart-alecks! :) - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Mat 5:9) |
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And yes on the “matching” thing re: 24” and 27” so they seamlessly pair with an iMac of that size. I mocked all that up a while back. Reminder (and back when it was assumed a larger iMac might be more in the 30" range...just pretend any 30-inch references say "27-inch" if that matches current rumors/expectations better. ): No books or $129 "solutions" from Twelve South required. Just design stuff so the display positioning matches across 24" and 27" products (iMacs and standalone displays). It's hardly rocket science, Apple. Last edited by psmith2.0 : 2022-02-15 at 12:54. |
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I haven't really been following the Display thing closely. Has the LG UltraFine 5K been officially out of stock for a while now, or is this new?
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I think that's an older model, isn't the current one 6k or 8k?
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The 5k one was the same one used in the 27" Intel iMac's for years, I believe LG discontinued it.
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They did, and then they replace it with a $749 27" 4K model. Thunderbolt 3 connection and all the other bits were nearly identical to the 27" 5K version ($1299?). There was also a 24" 4K USB-C version that was $799, I think. Something like that.
The LG 5K thing used the same panel internally, but had different glass and didn't look as good as the iMac, although it was pretty close (at least, closer than anything else on the market — then or now). - AppleNova is the best Mac-users forum on the internet. We are smart, educated, capable, and helpful. We are also loaded with smart-alecks! :) - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Mat 5:9) |
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They discontinued the 21.5-inch 4K in favor of a non-Retina 24-inch 4K. The 27-inch 5K isn’t discontinued.
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I finally got the Studio Display I ordered back in June yesterday. Set it up as my main monitor and moved the iMac to the side and replaced the LG 27" monitor I was using.
This is a very nice monitor, definitely an evolution of the Thunderbolt Display. Never understood why Apple got out of the display market, but this is a nice re-entry into the market. Everything is super nice about this, except the webcam. I really don't understand how it can be this bad, but if it doesn't improve in software, I'll just use continuity camera whenever I need to actually be on video. No more Twitter. It's Mastodon now. |
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Unusual choice of lens, in order to enable Center Stage. IMHO, a bad prioritization — few people buy such a pricey display, and even fewer buy such a pricey display and then use its webcam for Center Stage "kid / dog / cat walks in" scenarios. And without those scenarios, what's the point? Ergonomically speaking, you should be sitting front and center anyway.
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I completely get Center Stage on iPads and iPhones, where it's being moved and there are different scenarios at play, but for a monitor where 99% of the time it's one person sitting at a fixed distance away, they should have bagged Center Stage and put in a decent lens.
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I get it on iPads. I would get it even more on the iMac. Those two are perfect for "oh hey, your niece just casually walked by in the back" scenarios.
Something must've gone wrong in the coördination or planning between the iMac and iPad Pro (they literally showed off Center Stage on the iPad Pro at the same event as the new 24-inch iMac… awkward) for the iMac not to have it. The iMac is thicker than the iPad, so it can't be that an ultra-wide camera wouldn't have fit. Center Stage doesn't exist as software on macOS, yet, but they could've put the camera in there and added the feature via software later. But the ASD? I get it from a "this display should have our very best webcam, and very best implies Center Stage support" angle. But that backfired hard. Did anyone review the thing and go "oh, and it has a pretty good webcam"? No. |
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Apples always had less than the best when comes to webcams. Why does the poor performance surprise anyone? $100 cameras at best buy are better.
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Probably because they seem to take such pride in their iPhone cameras – seems like more than an oversight that they wouldn't translate that somehow to their displays.
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It's a surprise because the price of the ASD telegraphs that it should come with a best-in-class camera.
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It's a big reason I was disappointed that Apple didn't introduce a 29-32" iMac upgrade with the switch to Apple Silicon. |
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And cable-y-er.
The camera in the ASD is quite good. It's the lens and the software that are mucked up. Apple spent too much money on finicky "look at me" solutions in search of problems, and not enough money on problems in search of solutions, i.e. a pro web cam in a pro display. This, to me, is an "oops" on too high an order. The gimmicky bits belong in iPads, not professional production systems. A $1600 display does not need a children's toy installed front and center. It's too bad, because the display is very good. And, without all that finicky camera business, you don't need the A13 or all the other meaningless logic/iOS crap, and perhaps the display could just be $999 like it needs to be. I simply do not understand this move by Apple. Granted, we've sold every one we've been able to get in, but the longterm viability of sales is hampered by the price tag. - AppleNova is the best Mac-users forum on the internet. We are smart, educated, capable, and helpful. We are also loaded with smart-alecks! :) - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Mat 5:9) |
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I'm going to make a concerted effort to try and use the Studio Display to show everything and see how that works for me and make my setup a bit easier if I can ditch the iMac. No more Twitter. It's Mastodon now. |
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For the most part, actually yes they have been well behind the curve in terms of image quality and resolution. Least we forget Apple only upgraded Mac webcams from same poor 720p cam (which fist shipped in the late 2000s I might add) to a 1080p one 2 years ago with the M1 Macs. The rest of the industry did that 6-7 years ago or more. Some are now moving to 4K cams. The external units might be bulky, but they have been better for a long time. It’s kind of embarrassing to be honest.
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No, it's physics. Of course a webcam with a much deeper sensor can produce a better image. And that's simply not practical on laptops. On the iMac, sure, that's less forgivable. |
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I wonder how committed Apple is to their 220ppi “Retina” pixel density? I think their pro laptops are 245ish ppi, which if grafted into 27 and 32” sizes would result in 6k and 7k displays respectively…
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It's slightly higher on smaller devices, because you're more likely to hold those closer.
(Retina iPhones have at least 326 ppi. The iPhone 6 Plus hda 401 ppi. OLED iPhones have, depending on how you look at it, either 326 ppi or 458 ppi.) But I think they want to avoid going below 200, even if it would presumably make for much cheaper panels. |
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