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psmith2.0
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2021-10-30, 15:23

Aww, that’s kinda sad. That was always my favorite aluminum iMac design/size all these years. Never once considered/lusted after the 27”.*

Maybe they’re thinking, smack-dab in the middle of a school year, there won’t be many education buys for a bit? And, come spring, the current iMac (M1, 8/256, two ports, 8/7 core, maybe in silver only) drops down to $1,099 and the M2 24” iMac takes over the $1,299+ slot.



*And speaking of the 27”…

And then there’s this story out today as well.

If these rumors pan out, we’ve all been massively overshooting on the size (30-32”) on an upcoming larger iMac. However it appears it may be positioned as an iMac Pro, and get the Pro/Max AS offerings, even if it remains at 27”.
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2021-10-30, 15:33

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Aww, that’s kinda sad. That was always my favorite aluminum iMac design/size all these years. Never once considered/lusted after the 27”.

Maybe they’re thinking, smack-dab in the middle of a school year, there won’t be many education buys for a bit?
Yeah, that makes sense. (I couldn't quickly find if Intel is discontinuing the CPU. But even if they are, Apple could probably easily have added a newer one, so I doubt that was the only factor.)

Personally, while the aluminum+glass variant no doubt looked nicer than its white plastic predecessor, it… never was one of my favorite designs, especially once they added the weird curves to make it appear thinner on the sides. That 2021 M1 design, OTOH…

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And, come spring, the current iMac (M1, 8/256, two ports, 8/7 core, maybe in silver only) drops down to that $1,099 spot and the M2 24” iMac is in that $1,299+ spot.
Let's hope.

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And speaking of 27”…

And then there’s this story out today as well.

If these rumors pan out, we’ve all been massively overshooting the size (30-32”) on an upcoming larger iMac. However it appears it may be positioned as an iMac Pro, and get the Pro/Max AS offerings, while still at 27”.
I dunno. 27 just seems too close to 24. (Then again, I guess 14 and 16 are very close to 13?)
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2021-10-30, 16:04

Yeah. There’s precedent. The largest pro notebook didn’t go up in size. 16” stayed at 16”, so 27” staying at 27” isn’t too far out of a notion if a 30” just isn’t feasible right now.

If it came in Space Grey (and silver?)-only, plus all the things that are part of the M1 Pro/Max guts, plus the MacBook Pro port offerings, that sets it off well enough from the 24” in price, appearance, performance that it’ll be very clear the difference between the two lines.

And if they do the same sort of thing with the updated/redesigned non-pro notebook, things may suddenly get real easy and sensible on the Mac-buying from. Would be nice!

2022: Pro-oriented Macs named as such, styled/colored in serious, sedate tones, sporting M1 Pro/Max guts and more ports. The M2 powers everything else under $2,000 without “pro” in its name.

The wildcards being the rumored beefier Mac mini (sub-$2,000, but still gets the M1 Pro/Max offerings) and then the Mac Pro…maybe it gets the M2 Pro/Max, leapfrogging all other Macs (as it should)…unveiled at WWDC and allowing Apple to keep their 2020 promise?

Damn, it’s gonna be a neat year on the Mac front, 2022…possible four brand new models (M2 Air update/successor/replacement, beefier Mac mini, larger iMac and a new Mac Pro). And then M2 updates to the current M1-based models (regular Mac mini and 24” iMac).

By summer, everting on an M1 and M2, with or without the Pro/Max versions. Less than two year transition, and only going up from there. Again, Apple wouldn’t be doing this if they didn’t have a long, solid plan/roadmap in place, making all this design and engineering effort worthwhile. They’re just getting started, and scratching the surface.
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2021-10-30, 17:00

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Yeah. There’s precedent. The largest pro notebook didn’t go up in size. 16” stayed at 16”,
Sooooooort of. It went up to 16-inch literally the last revision. It was 15-inch since the G4 Titanium in 2001, and went up to 16 in late 2019, with no further revision in between.


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If it came in Space Grey (and silver?)-only, plus all the things that are part of the M1 Pro/Max guts,
Sure.

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plus the MacBook Pro port offerings,
So, that's a tricky one. Most ports simply won't fit in a chassis like the 24-inch iMac. Adding ports to the side is an option, which is why they did that for the headphone jack, but you don't really want something hanging off of there for prolonged periods of time.

Will they add more ports to the power adapter, like they have done with Ethernet? Will they make this one significantly thicker so more ports can fit?

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And if they do the same sort of thing with the updated/redesigned non-pro notebook, things may suddenly get real easy and sensible on the Mac-buying from. Would be nice!

2022: Pro-oriented Macs named as such, styled/colored in serious, sedate tones, sporting M1 Pro/Max guts and more ports. The M2 powers everything else under $2,000 without “pro” in its name.
Indeed!

Bit by bit, they're fixing the confusing 2016 era.
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2021-10-30, 17:44

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So, that's a tricky one. Most ports simply won't fit in a chassis like the 24-inch iMac. Adding ports to the side is an option, which is why they did that for the headphone jack, but you don't really want something hanging off of there for prolonged periods of time.
Yeah, I thought about that as I was writing it.

Several options, none are super ideal: leave off completely, make the body thicker, put them on the power brick or, as weird as it might look, "hide" a thicker part behind the body/stand to house these ports. No, I don't know how they'd do it either, I'm just trying to think.

Honestly, I think they'd just make the thing a little thicker. Pro stuff is allowed to be, after all.

Not sure how much thicker they'd need to make it, but even if it required doubling the thickness of the M1 24" iMac, that's still a) super thin and b) that's just extra room inside for cooling, higher-performing AS and whatever else. The 24" iMac is 11.5mm thick, so even if they doubled it to 23mm, that's still less than one inch (.90"). I don't think Apple, or a customer on the planet, would mind a 27" pro-labeled Mac being less than 1" thick, with all the other plusses going for it (27" display, the Pro/Max performance, etc.).

Desktops - especially ones with "pro" in their name - don't need to be design/thinness showcases. The events of two Mondays ago showed us that Apple seems willing to put function (performance) over form (performance-hindering thinness). And they have even more room to do so on a larger 27" desktop than their two new notebooks.

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2021-10-30, 19:02

If they're sticking with 27", there had better be solid support for 2 more monitors.

I've always stuck with using the iMac's monitor solo. But it's time for more desktop real estate, so I'll move to multiples if necessary.
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2021-10-31, 07:27

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If they're sticking with 27", there had better be solid support for 2 more monitors.
Probably. The M1 Pro and Max support more than the M1 does.
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2021-11-01, 18:44

Anybody know whether the SD card sticks out of the new machines or inserts inside fully?
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2021-11-02, 01:41

Regular cards stick out, but I’m told it’s the same as on the old machines, so you can make a short card that’s flush.
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2021-11-02, 07:03

We can make our own SD cards?


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2021-11-02, 07:56

I'm guessing something like https://www.theminidrive.com will work.
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2021-11-03, 05:44

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I'm guessing something like https://www.theminidrive.com will work.
After looking at that, I too am in a solid state.
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2021-11-03, 07:58

I think that is the drive I had in mind (though posted in the MBP thread). I don't know if it was that brand, but it looked similar enough.

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2021-11-03, 08:35

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After looking at that, I too am in a solid state.


That and chucker’s “licensing” joke a week or two ago both made me genuinely laugh. I loves a sly, well-crafted zinger.
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