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I did a search and found that iTunes 4.0 was launched on April 28, 2003. That's almost 19 months ago and we all know that iPods and iTunes are the "big thing" at Apple these days. With Christmas coming, Apple would want to keep people thinking about Apple in order to sell more iPods, music and even gift certificates. It's pure speculation, but they've had plenty of time to create iTunes 5.0 and it sure seems like this would be the perfect time to drop the bomb. What new features do you expect in iTunes 5.0?
I'll kick it off by recalling previous rumors that songs from the iTMS could be downloaded and played for a few times before they would "expire". That would be a big improvement on the 30-second previews. |
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No way they would do that. Talk about easily stolen. Once the file is in someone else's possession, it's easy for them to keep it.
I would guess the'll be an iTunes 5.0 sometime, but I'm not really sure what it would contain. I mean do we need/even want more features? |
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More album art.
Lyrics included in said album art. |
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Ugh. Just more shit for me to delete.
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4.7 was a pretty major update to accommodate all the new stores, we may see a 4.8 before christmas, but wouldn't a 5.0 release coincide with a new garageband update? I don't think we'll see 5.0 til Tiger or just before.
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Features? Pfft...who needs features?
I just want to know what color the new icon will be |
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The only thing I really want to see is search by label on the iTMS
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It's hard to think this way but iTunes is actually bigger as Windows software than Mac software so I would not anticipate a major connection to Tiger or iLife 2005. Also, the subscription services have figured out a way to make songs "expire" so it seems likely that Apple could do it if they wanted to. One thing I would like is an easier way to synch our different computers with music we buy on one of them.
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You are aware that iTunes has a built in sharing function?
Run iTunes on more than one computer on a network, make sure sharing is on (In preferences, in the Sharing pane), than it'll show up on the other computers running iTunes as a shared playlist. Click on the song you bought and hit play, type in your iTMS password, and you're in business. If you want to copy the actual file...it depends on if you're running Mac or windows. If it's a Mac, it's easier than you think. Open up your Hard Disc, click on "network" in the sidebar, find the Mac in your house with the music on it, double click, username, password, find your music and copy it over. Come waste your time with me |
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Remember that one of the biggest reasons behind iPod and iTunes' success is simplicity. You want music on your computer? Click import or buy. Boom, it's yours. End of story. The file is yours forever and you can do anything you want with it. It makes sense to just about any user. Change the freedoms of this formula and start making files behave in seemingly erratic ways, though, and you suddenly throw a gigantic wrench into the works. The quality of this board depends on the quality of the posts. The only way to guarantee thoughtful, informative discussion is to write thoughtful, informative posts. AppleNova is not a real-time chat forum. You have time to compose messages and edit them before and after posting. |
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I got one simple feature request.
A fucking shuffle feature that actually works! I did a very unscientific study and found that iTunes shuffle favors iTMS songs then AAC files and finally MP3 in a ration of about 3:2:1. When the click wheel iPods came out they was so proud of the randomizer. Maybe they should actually implement a randomizer and not the piece of shit that's in there now. You know, stop licking grundle and do your fucking job? Oh then there is the little thing that has been bothering me since my first iPod circa November 2001. Make the iPod respect a playlist's shuffle setting. This all or nothing iPod shuffle is a fucking embarrassment. |
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• Sirius or XM radio over IP (with subscription)
• more flexible/revamped browse feature • more flexible smart playlist options • ability to order/download CD jackets and/or booklets (not just cover art) • lyric search? I remember some weird RIAA hysteria over this • crossfade burning to audio CDs • separate checkboxes for songs in playlists from the ones in the Library • new album art visualizer plus dashboard/like control a la iPhoto • "smart" ranking system: option for files to gain/lose rank based on play count, number of playlists it's in, average rank for artist tracks, etc. PS: HOM needs a hug. |
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With all the iTunes/iPod hysteria, I wondered why they would let 19 months go by without a major update. Now I know why. Many of the features that have been listed would take a lot of work to implement. Imagine obtaining and loading over a million sets of lyrics and CD case materials. Many of the other improvements are software tweaks that they could certainly do quickly of they wanted to. I do agree with HOM that simple features like shuffle could use some attention. Regarding how easy it is to keep multiple computers up to date (laptops do travel!), this is the best method I have found which is way to difficult for most people to want to deal with.
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The lyrics would be difficult because of the many disreputable web sites hosting them. CD cover art is easy with the Amazon API - Delicious Library uses it, as do many other third party scripts and applications.
There have been so many minor updates to iTunes since 4.0 that it's like the difference between major versions. Apple has never been very consistent with version numbers so I'm not surprised. The sky was deep black; Jesus still loved me. I started down the alley, wailing in a ragged bass. |
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Actually, they've been very consistent since OS X started.
X.0: Major rewrite of the app x.Y: New features x.y.Z: Bug fixes, minor tweaks to existing features It's the common and accepted numbering scheme used in the industry. Well, by everyone but MS. Until iTunes undergoes a massive revamp under the hood, it won't get the 5.0 moniker. CoreAudio being used instead of QuickTime, for instance, would qualify. |
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So there may be a Tiger-only version of iTunes that's designed to take advantage of the core audio functionality?
Hmmm...I might have to buy Tiger. |
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Or QuickTime 7 may indeed turn out to be a unifying task-oriented API over the top of CoreA/V/I, and iTunes will use QT7. Nobody knows at this point.
Interesting times ahead on this front... |
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What would CodeAudio as opposed to QuickTime offer the user? (Honest question. I have no idea.) I suspect iTunes 5 will have some interesting and stylish new features. A smart rating system would be brilliant. Hierarchical playlists (done in some clean, not-too-confusing Apple way, e.g. "collections") is a given. A way to download liner notes would be enormously appreciated. And a redesigned interface with a dedicated full-height pane to better show album art + album info (esp. with the increasing numbers of letterbox-sized screens) would be great -- though I'm not counting on Apple to mess with success in this dept. The big addition to the ITMS would be user ratings -- and a link-up to album and band information to something better than, ugh, Muse (too bad AMG's AllMusic is so Windows-friendly. ) |
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Maybe some interface enhancements? Color scheme changes, things of that nature. All aesthetic updates?
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Given Apple's wonderful execution of graceful fallback for new technologies though (if the GPU can't handle a certain new tech, fallback to a software renderer on the CPU, etc), I suspect that QT7 will simply be more powerful on the Mac. The same files will playback on the Windows machines, the same codecs will be supported, etc, etc, etc, but it just may not have quite the performance for intensive content *creation* oriented tasks. Since this is Apple's bread and butter, it makes sense for them to make that the best they can on their side. QT7 will be the same API on both (all?) platforms, but have different performance capabilities on the different hardware. Core* already has quite a bit of graceful fallback in place, has finally ditched the last of the legacy Toolbox, is finally thread-safe and re-entrant, etc, etc, etc. Basically, it's good to go for cross-platform support as the underlying guts of a new QT7 API suite. |
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I for one would be ecstatic to see Core Audio properly implemented in QuickTime 7 and iTunes 5. I know that anyone in the prosumer/professional audio category would too. Quote:
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I don't think it's concidence that no major Apple software product (for consumers, not devs) has ever made it past .9. Anyway, my point is simply that Apple's versioning scheme is subject to marketing / aesthetic considerations, esp. for such an important, spotlighted piece of software such as iTunes. Quote:
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Case in point: Open Safari's About window. What is the build number for the current release? v125.11. That eleven looks awfully suspicious there!! Quote:
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I'll try to post a mock-up to show what I'd really like later on, if I have a chance. |
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The difference between a build number in an About box provided for software and web developers and this -- not to mention a number referred to countless Apple Support documents -- is quite different. I suspect most people understand "4.7" as a decimal, and would find "4.10" a bit confusing. Must be a slow Sunday if we're talking about this. |
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I think most people are 80% of the way there to understanding it, and just need that little bit of explanation. Certainly something that marketing could handle. "So good, we cranked it up to 11. iTunes 4.11, available now." |
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OK, anyway, no more from me on this one! I'm not in Marketing, just playing one on TV, so perhaps I'm wrong. But I still think we'll see an evolutionary iTunes 5.0 before we see iTunes 4.10. |
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If so, it will, in my estimation, be strictly technology driven, and have nothing to do with marketing.
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