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So the Democratically controlled house just passed a $2.10 increase in the minimum wage over 26 months. I don't understand why Democrats want to do this. You are not supposed to be able to support a family working at McDonalds. You learn a trade, you go to college. As you have skills and experience, you get paid more becuase you are more valuable. There is SO much opportunity to better yourself in the US - arguably more than anywhere in the world - its in our DNA ... MAKE YOURSELF! The thing is, this is only going to hurt businesses, and make everything more expensive. When McDonalds has to pay all their workers an extra $2.10, you think everything on the menu is going to stay the same price? This effect is more profound in small businesses who don't have the pockets of Mickey D's. Small businesses will probably opt to work fewer people harder and let a couple people go. WHERE IS THE COMMON SENSE THESE DAYS!? |
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I'll open with, there aren't enough jobs that pay well enough for people to support a family on, so they are forced to work jobs such as McD's. Most of these people have to work more than one of these jobs. I will then add, that your argument has been made time and time again since the advent of the "minimum" wage, and it has never come true yet. I'll finish with, your thought process on this issue is short sighted to say the least. Different Strokes, for Different Folks. And So On and So On, and Skoobie Doobie Doobie. |
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Government has to step in when people are being treated unfairly by employers. Before government stepped in, we had children working in factories getting their limbs chopped off. Before government stepped in, there was no minimum wage at all. People in shitty jobs would be paid almost nothing. Who's going to collect the garbage for $1.00 an hour? Who's going to take care of the people crippled because of unsafe working conditions? The government has to do that, so why can't the government do something to improve those conditions? Who's going to take care of the people that don't make enough money? The government does that, so why can't the government do something to raise incomes? The government serves at the will of the people. The people are getting screwed. You can't live on $5.15 an hour. You can barely live on $7.25. |
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This is how I see it.
Minimum wage jobs are fundamentally no skill jobs. So either you are a young worker (16 year old), you are older and have made no attempt to better yourself or learn anything, or the highly unlikely 3rd option, that you have NO OPPORTUNITIES your whole life to better yourself. This country is teeming with individuals who didn't give up and worked their way up without college degrees or rich daddies. So, I believe the 3rd option is very small. Anyways, like I said, all this will do is cuase small businesses to fire a couple people to meet their bottom line, and make many things more expensive to buy ... thus increasing the cost of living for everyone - including the minimum wage earner. ... Basically it boils down to this. Minimum wage is the baseline of the economy. Being frank, you are easily replaceable. You are a commidity. Raising this wage just raises everything. If you want to be successful in this country you need skills that seperate you from the pack in some way. This is going to backfire. |
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It is mostly a symbolic move as most (?) states have much higher minimum wages than the federal one.
In addition, many people can only get minimum wage jobs to support families upon... The medium income of all households is $46,326... That ain't much... |
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I'd like to see you get laid off and live off minimum wage fore a few months. |
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Dont you guys understand, by raising the wages the businesses now have to fire people to meet the wage requirements, so that equals more unemployment
The companies don't pull money from a tree, they have to make it, and being forced to pay high wages and having the same money coming in from business = layoffs If you can read this this, please send to an admin, i am blocked and cant post.... |
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Schnauzer and Fooboy: Have either of you ever had jobs? Have you ever had bills to pay? Have you ever had to pay rent or support a family? If you can answer "no" to all those questions, you basically have no business talking about this because you have no idea what the hell's going on. You're both severely disconnected from the real world, and it's painfully obvious to the rest of us who are living in it. |
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Different Strokes, for Different Folks. And So On and So On, and Skoobie Doobie Doobie. |
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Except there is evidence for his argument.
Prices rise whether wages do or not. When prices increase and wages are static, the overall standard of living goes down (assuming both measures are taken per-capita, and not as a national sum). Unemployment is dependent on so many factors other than wages that wages do not influence unemployment as directly as you suggest. The largest determinant of unemployment is merely supply and demand. As living standards decrease, demand decreases or slows across the board for every single consumer good. |
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I'm 24. I have an awesome Job and I have had a college education. My family was middle class. I was born in the USA. I consider myself very lucky I didn't have to start from nothing. However, I worked hard in school and I've had several jobs during high school and college - and now been working for 2 years. Look, I am not saying wanting to fix poverty is not a noble cause, but just saying "EVERYBODY GETS MORE MONEY - WHOOPEE!!!" isn't going to fix it. And yes, I think in America there is ample opportunity for people who go for it. Everything I was blessed with was on account of my dad busting his balls his whole life. |
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If you work 40 hours a week, you should be able to support your family, pay for your health insurance and buy your school supplies. I don't care if that means my happy meal costs a $1 more. I can afford it.
I hate money grubbing. If some people can't afford to buy a flat screen t.v. because some things are more expensive, but more people can afford to go to the doctor, I'm all for it. If it's not red and showing substantial musculature, you're wearing it wrong. |
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Aside from the fact that you're actually a doctor and I'm not, I couldn't agree with you more. Personally, I can think of lots of times that I've been sick but haven't gone to the doctor because I have a copay on my insurance and my crappy job, in combination with my outrageous bills, doesn't allow me much spending money.
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