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As I didn't want to take yet another typical subject (which has been written about 4354235 times) I decided to make a survey for the class, politology class. And looking for nice internet forums where to post it I also found this one! The Survey itself involves 8 questions I would like you to answer and all of them are quite simple. You don't need to write anything very long and that. Just a simple answer. 4-6 sentences is perfectly enough. Of course, I don't mind either if you feel you want to write longer. Also, it's not necessary (= not compulsory) for you to answer to all 8. If you can only think of a good answer for 3 or 5 then that is good too. Besides that I'd also like to have some basic knowledge about your person. Gender, nationality (or where you've lived most of your life and are living right now) and age are perfectly enough. Or if you don't want to give out exact age for some reason you're also welcome to use following - 'A: 0 - 16; B: 17 - 26; C: 26 - 35; D: 35 - 50; E: 50+' - system, either by saying you're A, B, C or D. Also, if you identify yourself very strongly with some particular religious group, then I'd be pleased if you also noted that too. You're welcome to post your answers into this thread, or if you feel you want to keep it private for some reason, then also you're welcome to mail them to - hakeem@hot.ee But now I'll post the questions into the next post! |
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Before I present the questions I'll give a short conclusion of the text in previous post. Basicly this is a survey for a class. I'd like you to answer to 8 questions in 4-6 sentences (I don't mind if you write longer, though). Also I'd like some basic information about you. Gender, age (or if you don't want to reveal exact number, see system presented above) and nationality (or where you have lived most of your life) is enough.
But to the questions now. 1. Define sovereignty. 2. What is socialism? 3. What is liberalism? 4. What is conservatism? 5. What is democracy? 6. What is welfare state? 7. What is a legitimate war? In which case is a war legitimate? 8. What is freedom in society? What kind of society is free for an individual? I'd to know how You yourself see those concepts. That actually is the very point of this survey - to see how understandings of different such concepts vary among people. We already know what the books tell us, now I want to see what the people tell me! And that's it. As I said already above - a big Thanks in advance to everybody who take the time and answer to this survey. |
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First of all Political threads don't belong in general (tech) discussion. Second of all, you might have better luck with the read:response ratio if you don't require that the posters write a history book in order to answer all your questions.
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it would also be nice if u had any interest in becoming a member of the community before requesting us do a service for you.
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Hoonigan
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Moving to Apple Outsider.
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Being a Political Science major I could answer all these questions.
However I choose not to because this thread has no place in this forum. Off hand Raging Bull has a pretty fun political section. |
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*drags thread to trash*
Oh wait, there is no trash. |
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Yeah, I'm not too likely to bang out 48 sentences worth of survey answers to some dude I don't know.
Now if it was 48 minutes of banging some hot girl I don't know, that'd be a different story all together. |
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Hates the Infotainment
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Duck and cover.
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"Spam, Eggs, Bacon, and Spam, but without the Spam, please."
Although if we can work the robotic laser apes and their constitutional uprising into the answer... |
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Constitutionalistically, as Votulating surveys are to Plebiscitology, this ranks for classless classes... though to be fair, still not as sexy as WH Internology or Wiseassopinionology. Quote:
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Erm. Weird. This is the only forum out of the ones I posted this I get flamed and insulted and what not. Must be some your thing, whatever.
Few answer to you, Moogs: I said 4-6 lines/sentences. Where do you take that books-lenght of text crap? thuh Freak: I am not demanding anything. I simply gave the ones who want to help a chance to do so. You were welcome to ignore this thread, if you didn't want to, but you choose to whine. Electric Monk: Thank god. The ones studying political science themselves are the last of all people whos answers I'd be interested in. murbot: crawl back to the hole you came. Brad: Either you're trying to play a moron or you are one. My not done homework? Erm? This is my homework, I chose to make a survey as my homework. The whole point of this project is to see how the understandings of different such concepts vary among people. Now, you're welcome tell me some other way than organising a survey to find that out, but I doubt you could come up with one. Surveys, after all, include asking questions, you know. Also, it comes off as rude? Geez, what do I have to do around here to not come off as rude? Write ten more pleases and thanks and : ) smilies?! The one who comes off rude here is You. Brad #2: Where the hell did you dig that information out!? ---------------- In general, The text-versions I've posted this are very similar on all the Forums. And this is the only one where people suddenly start to flame me for god knows what, and lots more too. I politely asked help, I didn't demand it. If you felt touched, you could have just walked away. Oh, and this being a wrong place? Bah! I posted this even into forums discussing Music! And I got several nice friendly replies. In general, from my lately experience with some new forums this one without doubt raises above the others in the IMMATURITY and HOSTILITY of its members. I'm off here, thanks for nothing, lollpead. |
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Ok but seriously. You got flamed for a number of reasons. One being you weren't in the right forum, and when the admins are trying their hardest to keep this place sane, clean, and organized, it's easy for them to want to pop and flame some of the people who post in the wrong forum sometimes. To you it may seem unprovoked, but again, since you just kind of popped out of no where with no feet in the community you haven't seen the crap they deal with. Secondly, this is not a political forum, it is an Apple Fanboy forum. And while many of our posts are not about Apple we've all see what .com has turned into with allowing Political talk. I think it's been widely agreed the political types of posts are frowned upon (And I think it's a rule somewheres, correct me if I'm wrong Brad). I know you said that you posted in a Music forum and you got answers, but that's a different place and I'm sure whoever those people are were probably just so happy to see traffic from a new member that they jumped at the chance. </sarcasm... or not?> So let's summarize what's happened here (from my perspective): - You probably searched Google for viewtopic.php to find a bunch of random forums, found this one. - You registered - Posted some weird off topic thread in the wrong forum. - Got flamed - Through a tantrum While Yes I will agree that some times this community isn't quite as helpful as they could (or might ought to) be it doesn't really matter because you haven't contributed anything to it so... fuck off now. No awkward goodbyes. No 'still friends' bullshit. Just a couple of bruised titties and a failed relationship. I rule. |
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Antimatter Man
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Well it is Friday, and folks sometimes seem sillier while awaiting weekend.
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I'll be your friend Androg
Now I get where Brad went off topic. Estonia -> Lake Peipsi -> Pepsi -> Wild Cherry Pepsi -> Cheerwine |
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BANNED
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No Brad simply thinks about five things in order on a rotating cycle:
1) Girlfriend 2) Work 3) AppleNova 4) Cheerwine 5) Mole on back As you can clearly see from the list, cheerwine immediately follows Applenova. And where was brad when he posted his ode to cheerwine? ... Exactly... |
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Selfish Heathen
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Which reminds me, does this look any different to you?
I've been debating with myself over the last few hours whether or not I should write this post. Obviously, I outvoted myself and wrote it. I concluded I absolutely had to tell you that Indrek Peedu formulates his generalizations in a precarious latticework between the benighted and the mumpish. What follows is a set of observations I have made about grumpy, scornful rakes. He is stepping over the line when he attempts to twist the truth -- way over the line. If you agree, read on. Be honest; can you in any way believe Indrek's claim that everything he says is completely and entirely true? I cannot, mainly because the baleful influence of McCarthyism is plainly evident in the palpable one-sidedness of his statements. Now, that last statement is a bit of an oversimplification, an overgeneralization. But it is nevertheless substantially true. What is the milieu in which insufferable twits trick academics into abandoning the principles of scientific inquiry? It is the underworld of conspiracy theory, a subculture in which the most scary alcoholism enthusiasts I've ever seen share fantasies of fighting heroically against a huge conspiracy that will lobotomize everyone caught thinking an independent thought in the blink of an eye. With friends like Indrek, who needs enemies? I mean, it's time to step things up a notch and take off the kid gloves and vent some real anger at him. That's clear. But if you look back over some of my older posts, you'll see that I predicted that he would subject human beings to indignities. And, as I predicted, he did. But you know, that was not a difficult prediction to make. Anyone who has bothered to learn even a little about Indrek could have made the same prediction. Only through education can individuals gain the independent tools they need to serve on the side of Truth. But the first step is to acknowledge that it is not uncommon for Indrek to victimize the innocent, penalize the victim for making any effort to defend himself, and then paint the whole cynical affair as some great benefit to humanity. Like a lion after tasting the blood of human victims, he will make empty promises. For proof of this ongoing tragedy, one has only to realize that what I just wrote is not based on merely a single experience or anecdote. Rather, it is based upon the wisdom of accumulated years, spanning two continents, and proven by the fact that some people think I'm exaggerating when I say that once Indrek accepts responsibility for the problems he's caused, the focus shifts from who is responsible to what each of us can do about it. But I'm not exaggerating; if anything, I'm understating the situation. I don't think he understands what fogyism means to all the people it hurts. Which brings us to the harsh reality that must be faced: He should just quit whining about everything. Let me recap that for you, because it really is extraordinarily important: I've heard of hotheaded things like separatism and deconstructionism. But I've also heard of things like nonviolence, higher moralities, and treating all beings as ends in and of themselves -- ideas which his ignorant, unthinking, piteous brain is too small to understand. Indrek is out to undermine everyone's capacity to see, or change, the world as a whole. And when we play his game, we become accomplices. As I noted at the beginning of this post, he says he's going to put political correctness ahead of scientific rigor in a lustrum or two. Is he out of his mind? The answer is fairly obvious when you consider that we were put on this planet to be active, to struggle, and to build a new understanding that can transport us to tomorrow. We were not put here to procure explosive devices, gasoline, and detonators for use in an upcoming campaign of terror, as Indrek might contend. He doesn't want equal time. He doesn't want pluralism. He just wants to hoodoo us. Clearly, I want to discuss the relationship between three converging and ever-growing factions -- sinister pop psychologists, wayward tax cheats, and cold-blooded wisenheimers. That may seem simple enough, but if I were to compile a list of Indrek's forays into espionage, sabotage, and subversion, it would fill an entire page and perhaps even run over onto the following one. Such a list would surely make every sane person who has passed the age of six realize that no one likes being attacked by abusive stool pigeons. Even worse, Indrek exploits our fear of those attacks -- which he claims will evolve some day into biological, chemical, or nuclear attacks -- as a pretext to maintain social control by eliminating rights and freedoms. If you think that's scary, then you should remember that it doesn't do us much good to become angry and wave our arms and shout about the evils of Indrek's epigrams in general terms. If we want other people to agree with us and join forces with us, then we must push a consistent vision that responds to most people's growing fears about noisome wimps. I assume that Indrek is unaware of his obligation not to put muzzy-headed thoughts in our children's minds, as this unawareness would be consistent with his prior displays of ignorance. For the moment, he makes no secret of the fact that he not only lies, but he brags about his lying to his intimates, who are legion. Many people aren't aware of how bleeding-heart his threats are, so let's present a little breakdown. First off, his ultimata have kept us separated for too long from the love, contributions, and challenges of our brothers and sisters in this wonderful adventure we share together -- life! But this is something to be filed away for future posts. At present, I wish to focus on only one thing: the fact that I am not fooled by Indrek's jackbooted and eristic rhetoric. I therefore gladly accept the responsibility of notifying others that we should agree on definitions before saying anything further about Indrek's randy, supercilious projects. For starters, let's say that "stoicism" is "that which makes Indrek yearn to send the wrong message to children." I have to laugh when Indrek says that he has his moral compass in tact. Where in the world did he get that idea? Not only does that idea contain absolutely no substance whatsoever, but in a recent essay, he stated that unfounded attacks on character, loads of hyperbole, and fallacious information are the best way to make a point. Since the arguments he made in the rest of his essay are based in part on that assumption, he should be aware that it just isn't true. Not only that, but if he wants to complain, he should have an argument. He shouldn't just throw out the word "heterochromatization", for example, and expect us to be scared. Indrek accuses me of being hate-filled, yet it is he who is filled with hate. And he accuses me of being bigoted, while his remarks show nothing but bigotry. Why does Indrek make those sorts of accusations, then? It is only when one has an answer to that question is it possible to make sense of Indrek's opinions, because if we contradict Indrek, we are labelled immature nebbishes. If we capitulate, however, we forfeit our freedoms. To get even the simplest message into the consciousness of frowzy, wild stumblebums, it has to be repeated at least 50 times. Now, I don't want to insult your intelligence by telling you the following 50 times, but I cannot compromise with him; he is without principles. I cannot reason with him; he is without reason. But I can warn him, and with a warning he must unquestionably take to heart: Contrary to my personal preferences, I'm thinking about what's best for all of us. My conclusion is that what's best for all of us is for me to bring fresh leadership and even-handed tolerance to the present controversy. There's a lot of talk nowadays about Indrek's delirious cop-outs, but not much action. No one has a higher opinion of Indrek than I, and I think he's a perfidious beast. It's one thing to irritate an incredible number of people, but wanting to inflict untold misery, suffering, and distress is certainly going too far. Here are a few points to ponder:
He is a mythmaker, an illusion builder, or to put it less politely, a trickster. Of that I am certain, because he is completely unaware of the difference between a correlation and a causation. Indrek will almost certainly tiptoe around that glaringly evident fact, because if he didn't, you might come to realize that ancient Greek dramatists discerned a peculiar virtue in being tragic. Indrek would do well to realize that they never discerned any virtue in being unruly. I want my life to count. I want to be part of something significant and lasting. I want to stop the Huns at the gate. Indrek wants to sacrifice children on the twin altars of cynicism and greed. Why he wants that, I don't know, but that's what he wants. In essence, he appears to have found a new tool to use to help him give voice, in a totally emotional and non-rational way, to his deep-rooted love of cronyism. That tool is imperialism, and if you watch him wield it, you'll unmistakably see why many people who follow his tracts have come to the erroneous conclusion that all major world powers are controlled by a covert group of "insiders". The stark truth of the matter is that Indrek may engage in or goad others into engaging in illegal acts right after he reads this post. Let him. In a matter of days, I will educate the public on a range of issues. As another disquieting tidbit, the following must be stated: Indrek likes inveracities that mollycoddle shiftless racketeers. Could there be a conflict of interest there? If you were to ask me, I'd say that he fears nothing more than the truth. Whatever weight we accord to that fact, we may be confident that if the human race is to survive on this planet, we will have to reinforce the contentions of all reasonable people and confute those of sanctimonious deviants. Let's understand one fundamental fact: Indrek is firmly convinced that those who disagree with him should be cast into the outer darkness, should be shunned, should starve. His belief is controverted, however, by the weight of the evidence indicating that Indrek should work with us, not step in at the eleventh hour and hog all the glory. If I may be so bold, all the deals he makes are strictly one-way. Indrek gets all the rights, and the other party gets all the obligations. It is deeply unfortunate that tactless, hypocritical schizophrenics tend to dismiss reason, science, and objective reality, since there are three fairly obvious problems with his mottos, each of which needs to be addressed by any post that attempts to act as a positive role model for younger people. First, one can predict on empirical grounds that before the year is over he will vandalize our neighborhoods. Second, he has shown no compunction in committing character assassinations or engaging in full-scale vendettas. And third, if we can understand what has caused the current plague of macabre batty-types, I believe that we can then avoid the extremes of a pessimistic naturalism and an optimistic humanism by combining the truths of both. As a parting thought, remember that Indrek Peedu contributes nothing to society. The quality of this board depends on the quality of the posts. The only way to guarantee thoughtful, informative discussion is to write thoughtful, informative posts. AppleNova is not a real-time chat forum. You have time to compose messages and edit them before and after posting. |
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one time I almost made it home before I pooped in my pants while sitting in the car
it was a much louder experience than I could have predicted loud. LOOUUUDDD. KssskKKKsssshhhKKKKssshhshshshsKKKKKKppppppltltbob pptopbobotttt. |
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And on that note, this thread has served its purpose.
(as a final point, I get all sorts of invitations to take surveys. the people who ask me to take them also smile. they're still fucking annoying, whether in the real world or on a message board. if you don't know me, don't ask me to do your work for you.) Google is your frenemy. Caveat Emptor - Latin for tough titty I tend to interpret things in the way that's most hilarious to me |
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I shot the sherrif.
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ok, by popular request the thread is open for business once more.
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Didn't really bother to read your long rant, but I'm sure you posted something important, Brad....
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Best...comeback...ever.
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PS. To the one who thought I searched for viewtopic. and found a bunch of random forums. Nope, actually the search words which gave me this forum were "british political forum". Yup, I already had a pile of answers from americans, was looking for some english now.
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Crawl back to the hole that I came. Wow. As much as I appreciate the compliment, I'm afraid my penis is neither large enough, nor has the explosive ejaculation power required to actually dig a hole of any size, let alone one large enough for me to crawl into. That would require some serious hose pressure, and some interesting sexual positions. Even if I could, I love Mother Earth too much to destroy here with my man goo. I'll admit that I don't have many in my repertoire that have my penis pointing down at the ground without someone under me to "take one for the planet". Tell you what, instead of coming in here asking a bunch of fucking strangers to complete this survey of yours, why don't you direct your attention to getting your GED, moving out of mom and dad's basement, and getting a girlfriend. You've got to be tired of cleaning hand cream off your mouse by now. Get a life, get a clue, and don't let the door hit your sorry ass on the way out. BTW, we are very proud of our immaturity and hostility here. You say that like it's a bad thing. Just know that it will never end. We are relentless. Best to just fuck off and leave. Cheers, murbot |
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