Rocket Surgeon
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: The Canadark
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Jeez, how did I only just notice this thread? (I guess that's the whole point, no?)
I also admin another forum of a similar style and we notice the drop-off too. I think this type of forum is only for the grizzled old guys now. No new blood. Still, I'm down to participate in ways if you need me. I like this place. |
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Which way is up?
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Boyzeee
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Bryson, perhaps you could share a few thoughts on some topics we could write on? So far we have:
- The Future of Mac Tech - Sci-Fi Things - Thoughts On Space - Girls and Beer I can write on any of those subjects. - AppleNova is the best Mac-users forum on the internet. We are smart, educated, capable, and helpful. We are also loaded with smart-alecks! :) - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Mat 5:9) |
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Ninja Editor
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Bay Area, CA
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Space Pirate
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Atlanta
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I started one several years ago. It's like a failsafe place to meet up in case both AppleNova and AppleInsider tank.
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Selfish Heathen
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Zone of Pain
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It looks like I may have some free time this Wednesday and/or Thursday evening. I'll get a copy of WordPress installed, update the Nginx configs to route something to it, and get started picking out a decent themable skin then.
The WordPress users are going to be independent of forum users, though. I remember it being a challenge (although I did manage to pull it off) getting Mongo's user model to share auth with vBulletin. WordPress is famously modifiable, but because of the aforementioned security fears I have about vB, I'd rather not even introduce the possibility of cross-talk. The quality of this board depends on the quality of the posts. The only way to guarantee thoughtful, informative discussion is to write thoughtful, informative posts. AppleNova is not a real-time chat forum. You have time to compose messages and edit them before and after posting. |
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Selfish Heathen
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Zone of Pain
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Also, if it does come to us reconnecting on Reddit some day (probably due to me flubbing a server config here accidentally), I'm /u/infinitewarp. Don't worry; I post even less frequently there than I do here.
The quality of this board depends on the quality of the posts. The only way to guarantee thoughtful, informative discussion is to write thoughtful, informative posts. AppleNova is not a real-time chat forum. You have time to compose messages and edit them before and after posting. |
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Ninja Editor
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Bay Area, CA
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It seems to me that the computer nerds — the people who get excited about computing "as a concept" — who were on macOS (and to some degree, Windows) have largely moved towards Linux. Apple still sells what I'm assuming are a lot of Macs to developers, but how many of them are only using macOS because their job is in iOS development? Even though I still think macOS is the best overall desktop OS from a UX PoV, it hasn't really advanced much in the past 10 years. Not in user-facing ways, at least (aside from the realization I just had that I can't install the 10.15 beta on my laptop because I still need one 32-bit app for work, and, come to think of it, having to consider app compatibility is more of a step backwards than forwards). Apple used to be exciting and interesting on the software side because macOS was far & away the best desktop OS, and on the hardware side because PowerPC wasn't x86. On the software side, as I said above, I still think macOS is the best desktop OS, but it's not by nearly as big of a margin as before. If it weren't for me using iOS and watchOS devices day in & day out, and the integration macOS & iCloud have with iOS, I'm not sure I'd still be on the platform. Windows still sucks, but Linux has been getting better and the supposed Apple tax can feel pretty real*. Also, with Purism gearing up to release their Librem 5 Linux phone, there's a lot of potential for that same kind of tight integration that iOS and macOS enjoy (except for the parts which require a vendor with huge infrastructure, anyway). On the hardware side, I understand why Apple switched from PPC and I (begrudgingly) agree with that decision, but it doesn't change the fact that it made Macs much more boring for hardware nerds. Apple has started adding their T2 chip to more and more products which is theoretically interesting from a hardware PoV, but they won't release any info on them which limits the amount I can bring myself to really care. It almost seems like the T2 is just a stop-gap on the road to... I don't know, somewhere different... maybe an arch & OS designed & written from the ground up with the assumption of multiple processors? Wherever they're intending to take the Mac hardware-wise with it, though, I wish they'd get on with it. Or at least talk about it. Maybe we'll see something if/when the rumored transition to ARM happens? * Yeah, I know "spec for spec macs and PCs are pretty close in price", it's just that specs like "as thin and light as a page from ye olde family bible" and "soldered-on RAM & SSDs" are ones that I'd rather not have. When I was a kid, people who did wrong were punished, restricted, and forbidden. Now, when someone does wrong, all of the rest of us are punished, restricted, and forbidden... and the one who did the wrong is counselled and "understood" and fed ice cream. |
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Which way is up?
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Boyzeee
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Once an article is posted, we could stick the comments thread to the top of its relevant forum and link straight to it from the article. Easy-breezy! Also, for now I would suggest that the domain continue to point directly to the forums. Stuff the new front page into the background somewhere and just post a link to it in here (or perhaps we'll start a brand new thread down in the bowels of the Feedback forum). Create a poll, toss in some article ideas, collect some old people to write 1000 words or so on some [useful] topic, and see if the glue holds. — Also, would it do us any good to purge the membership list? I can think of a couple categories that should go: - All of the banned users - Any user with less than X posts who has not posted in the last 5 years. Looking through the list, that's a lot! Not sure what that costs us in overhead or if it's worth the effort. But, you give me a tool, and I'll drop a nuke in there! - AppleNova is the best Mac-users forum on the internet. We are smart, educated, capable, and helpful. We are also loaded with smart-alecks! :) - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Mat 5:9) Last edited by kscherer : 2019-06-03 at 23:25. |
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¡Damned!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Purgatory
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I think we can all agree that updating the Minecraft server would be a far better use of resources than fiddling with a 15 year old forum.
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Lord of the Rant.
Formerly turtle2472 Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Upstate South Carolina
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After watching my son play his local world in 1.14 I kinda agree.
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Selfish Heathen
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Zone of Pain
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Who am I to argue with popular opinion? So be it! WordPress is going to the back burner in favor of some sweet, sweet Minecraft upgrades.
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Sigh.
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Selfish Heathen
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Zone of Pain
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I just now spent some time spelunking through the server, and I totally forgot that I had a mostly successful import to a super-secret Vanilla Forums installation on the side in, uhhh, I guess 2015?
My memory is pretty hazy, several parts are simply broken, and I've lost the login I had for it, but maybe it's a reminder for me to check out the latest versions of Vanilla... The quality of this board depends on the quality of the posts. The only way to guarantee thoughtful, informative discussion is to write thoughtful, informative posts. AppleNova is not a real-time chat forum. You have time to compose messages and edit them before and after posting. |
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Selfish Heathen
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Zone of Pain
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Also, our version of PHP is so old that the latest WordPress doesn't support it.
So, I'll need to look at some bigger upgrades here... |
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Veteran Member
Join Date: Oct 2005
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This version of vB is also rather ancient, although the newer versions are junk. Most of the other vB forums I see have converted over to XenForo which is led by the original developer of vB and is excellent. It's got a price tag, though, same with Invision (which I use).
Invision has its own CMS framework called Pages, which seamlessly integrates into the forums (they use a core framework where the base is "System" and Forums is just one of the apps available), but with the Suite Core, Forums and Pages, it would total $300 for a new license and then $40 every six months for updates and support: https://invisioncommunity.com/buy/self-hosted/ |
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Selfish Heathen
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Zone of Pain
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Also, some quick live experimentation just proved out another fear of mine: this ancient version of vB is incompatible with modern versions of PHP and crashes hard, showing just a white screen to visitors. Can't even get it to 5.6.
(Sorry if anyone here happened to catch a white screen while I was doing that.) The quality of this board depends on the quality of the posts. The only way to guarantee thoughtful, informative discussion is to write thoughtful, informative posts. AppleNova is not a real-time chat forum. You have time to compose messages and edit them before and after posting. |
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Lord of the Rant.
Formerly turtle2472 Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Upstate South Carolina
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Sounds like you would be better off migrating to a new VPS/VM at this point. Build the new environment and set DNS TTL to 300. Move DNS and sync as needed.
Louis L'Amour, “To make democracy work, we must be a nation of participants, not simply observers. One who does not vote has no right to complain.” Visit our archived Minecraft world! | Maybe someday I'll proof read, until then deal with it. |
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Veteran Member
Join Date: Oct 2005
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Oof. What version is this anyway, it doesn't show up in the footer anymore. vB3?
I just checked XenForo's pricing scheme. They don't have an integrated CMS app available, but the license is "only" $160, with built in converters for vB 3.6, 3.7, 3.8 and 4.x, with a $55 annual renewal for updates and support. So, cheaper than Invision which is minimum (Core and Forums only) $200 upfront, and then $25 every 6 months for updates and support, but still a three-digit price tag. |
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Making sawdust
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Minnesota
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Lord of the Rant.
Formerly turtle2472 Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Upstate South Carolina
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You could ask, but I would recommend it not be put down in this public forum until after the upgrades happen.
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Making sawdust
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Minnesota
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I mean, its not exactly hidden. Anybody wanting to make mischief could read the response headers like I did.
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Selfish Heathen
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Zone of Pain
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I think this ancient vBulletin version is my biggest anchor right now. If I can ditch it and move to something else, that would open up a lot more options. At this rate, I can't even upgrade the OS because CentOS/RHEL 8 ships with/packages a version of PHP that is too new for this vB version to run. We're stuck on CentOS/RHEL 7 with old-ass PHP and old-ass everything else until we migrate the forums to something else. The quality of this board depends on the quality of the posts. The only way to guarantee thoughtful, informative discussion is to write thoughtful, informative posts. AppleNova is not a real-time chat forum. You have time to compose messages and edit them before and after posting. |
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Selfish Heathen
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Zone of Pain
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Earlier this evening I naively tried putting us on PHP 7.3 (current release) before finding packages for PHP 5.6 (unsupported but last 5.x release), and both of them resulted in vBulletin throwing fatal syntax errors. Reverting back to 5.4 I went… The quality of this board depends on the quality of the posts. The only way to guarantee thoughtful, informative discussion is to write thoughtful, informative posts. AppleNova is not a real-time chat forum. You have time to compose messages and edit them before and after posting. |
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Selfish Heathen
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Zone of Pain
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Yep, many years ago I removed any references to the version from the templates in a probably ill-imagined attempt to side-step any lazy script kiddies who might be looking for specific versions to exploit. The quality of this board depends on the quality of the posts. The only way to guarantee thoughtful, informative discussion is to write thoughtful, informative posts. AppleNova is not a real-time chat forum. You have time to compose messages and edit them before and after posting. |
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Veteran Member
Join Date: Oct 2005
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Well guys, you heard the man. This ancient version of vBulletin needs to die in a fire. Perhaps it's time to do a little crowdfunding among the regulars to buy a license for XenForo or Invision?
Unfortunately I'm not able to assist financially with the endeavor, however having operated an Invision forum since 2003 and knowing every little feature of it, plus some knowledge of XenForo, I could provide advice and answer questions regarding the operation of modern systems. |
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Selfish Heathen
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Zone of Pain
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I'd like to give Vanilla another try since they have a free/open-source version and at least on the surface it looks a lot like other modern commercial forums. Dumping and importing our current forum data to that be my next effort.
The quality of this board depends on the quality of the posts. The only way to guarantee thoughtful, informative discussion is to write thoughtful, informative posts. AppleNova is not a real-time chat forum. You have time to compose messages and edit them before and after posting. |
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: UK's most densely packed city. It's not London...
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Does anybody know the cash flow on the affiliate links etc? Is it sufficient to cover the registration fee, let alone upgrades?
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@kk@pennytucker.social
Join Date: Jan 2005
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I thought the affiliate program was shut down a few years ago?
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