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What the heck is Apple doing?!? Their SUING their own buyers/fans? This is ridiculous!!! If they try to close ThinkSecret, i'll open my own rumors site. Screw Apple. I mean, how does "early product announcement" deduct money from them? They should be basking in the publicity, not trying to sue.
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2) No, it won't, but nothing will. It doesn't matter if you're first to ship anyway, so delaying copycats by a few cycles isn't what you should be most worried about. 3) You invent such a mind-blowing concept and you have no money to defend it? You'd have a zillion VCs knocking at your door to help. 4) Unavoidable. They will copy you regardless of whether trade secrets were stolen or not. |
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2) Patent law and Copyright law are two totally different things. When you ship means diddly-squat in terms of patents and everything in terms of Copyright. Have you ever heard of posting something to yourself in a recorded delivery envelope and never opening it? That's one good way of protecting copyright... but has nothing to do with patenting. In fact you can ship while patents are still pending. 3) Not every idea that is patented, or should have been patented and isn't is a mind blowing multi-million dollar concept. 4) Agreed. 'Remember, measure life by the moments that take your breath away, not by how many breaths you take' Extreme Sports Cafe | ESC's blog | scratt's blog | @thescratt |
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... ... ... AHA-AHAHAHAHAHA...HAHAHA HAHA—AHAHAHA... HAHAHAHAHAHA... Huh dear. Silly billy. |
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People get involved with fan sites like thinksecret, and hope for upcoming "things" that are not supposed to be let out of the company room yet, but forget that there is a very STRONG business world in this country. ANY information about a competitors product coming out is BIG for them, the competing company. Let me ask you something about secrets and how you think some are okay to know/tell and others aren't; you remember a thing called the Cold War? Russia and the U.S., big enemies, spies, James Bond and the like? What if say, a person who was bribed or was given the chance to "give information away via mail" about the scheduled appearances and routes of important officials, like the President. Say the time frame was two days, they could easily, yes easily, organize an assassination of that official. The business world may not be well known to all who frequent this board, but like cities outside of your own, there are many people who see things differently and businesses do NOT stand for their secrets being leaked. I would be just as ticked should someone leak something I was working on REGARDLESS of how close to launch time it was leaked. What if I had an entire event, like say Mac World Expo, for which to show this product, and let my stocks RISE at the news of a sub $500 mac. I would bask in the business success of which I strive to achieve... Am I rambling or do any readers know what I am saying? I understand it is all repetitive from earlier posts, but this was something I wanted to say in me own lingo. Last edited by ZogDog : 2005-01-13 at 21:48. |
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I hear ya.
And I agree... EDIT: Not sure where assasinating the president came into it.. But that sounds like a good idea too.. Oops.. There goes my cheap shopping trip! 'Remember, measure life by the moments that take your breath away, not by how many breaths you take' Extreme Sports Cafe | ESC's blog | scratt's blog | @thescratt |
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I overreacted scratt - I apologize. One comment should not define someone. Carry on... But would you do me a favor scratt and remove the part about assassinating the president and keep things mac-related? I try not to bring my own divisive political views into Mac discussions and I would appreciate the same courtesy from you and others in this forum. We can move that type of talk to the AppleOutsider forum perhaps. Thanks! Cheers, Wraven Last edited by Wraven : 2005-01-14 at 00:07. |
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Scratt, Wraven: You're both excellent candidates and have great careers ahead of you but . . . you're fired!
Uhh . . . back on subject: I'm amazed at how easily people find it to justify wrong-doing. $1, $5, whatever. You lift it, you bad! Apple has a legal and moral right to defend their property. While I think suing ThinkSecret might seem a bit chinsey, I agree with others that even a slight miscalculation on timing can cost a company dearly. Apple has struggled to remain competitve for so long that we half expect them to fail each year. They have finally caught on to something big and, now that they are king in one area, everyone wants to knock them down. Apple has survived because their innovative ideas strike the consumer market as intuitive and useful and because they have been able to keep secrets. I love the rumor mill and always watch it because it is fun. I hope ThinkSecret survives this, but I also hope that Apple's leaks are revealed and silenced. If you sign a contract, you should live up to it. - AppleNova is the best Mac-users forum on the internet. We are smart, educated, capable, and helpful. We are also loaded with smart-alecks! :) - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Mat 5:9) |
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And the whisper quiet, small form factor PC has been done for years. Even Apple did it a while back with the cube. I'm sure the folk who come up with new features are losing sleep over the genius of the Apple engineers. |
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I'm not really of a mind to remove what I post. Sorry. Nothing personal. I wish I had seen what you posted originally... must have missed the email update... But I bet it would have made me chuckle! Been a busy day hurling myself out of planes again. One of the things that is great about AppleNova is freedom of expression and I may be close to the mark in other areas, at times... but I am quite happy to take the heat and heck this place is not the Apple Forums.. Lighten up, dude. 'Remember, measure life by the moments that take your breath away, not by how many breaths you take' Extreme Sports Cafe | ESC's blog | scratt's blog | @thescratt |
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I think we are at least in agreement on the crux of this matter and the subject of this thread... Look back on topic! The bottom line is, and it does bear repeating, if you break the rules and get caught then you have to pay the price. People and companies (The two are seen as the same in legal eyes anyway) have a right to defend their property, be it physical or intellectual. I do think Apple held back for a while because of Nick's age, and the unpopularity of suing parents of adolescents. Also they showed great patience sending quite a few 'Cease and Decist' notices.. Perhaps these is more to this than we all know as has already been pointed out... But then perhaps it si also the proverbial last straw and a case of it all coming of age... Either way I am with Apple all the way. You know why... because I do believe they will seek a fair and equitable settlement. I do not think Nick will do any where near as bad as most people (and he probably) thinks. In fact I think in the long run he'll probably benefit.. Whether it is in more publicity or a change of track and a lesson well learnt. 'Remember, measure life by the moments that take your breath away, not by how many breaths you take' Extreme Sports Cafe | ESC's blog | scratt's blog | @thescratt |
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http://www.davidlegatt.com/pix/nanode.jpg more info on it can be found here: http://www.mini-itx.com/news/nanode 800x600 is too big? sorry Last edited by ThunderPoit : 2005-01-14 at 10:59. |
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Freedom of expression is very important to me - so is obeying the law. I know you live in Thailand, so U.S. laws do not apply to you. It's just getting old to see stuff like this (i.e. political discussions) in non-related threads.
No big deal, and I have "lightened up dude." That's why I edited my post to begin with. Duh... Cheers, Wraven |
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Freedom of expression is a wonderful thing... I do find it strange that freedom of expression in the land of the free has limits!! Now isn't that an oxy-moron of sorts?
Amen to not being subject to US laws whilst I reside in Thailand. 'Remember, measure life by the moments that take your breath away, not by how many breaths you take' Extreme Sports Cafe | ESC's blog | scratt's blog | @thescratt |
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I'm not saying it's right that there are laws that put some limits on freedom of expression, I'm just saying that there ARE such laws. And I (and others) living in the U.S. must obey them. Feel free to do as you wish (obviously). No big deal. I'm done in this thread (no offense to you scratt) - these types of (really, pointless) discussions give me tired-head. Besides, we are now COMPLETELY off topic.
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It's interesting the number of unique new posters who are recent members in this forum.... Not that I'm paranoid or anything... ;p
jrenny, I don't quite get your point... Cops and spies [do that] all the time and it's not right you would seem to infer... To quote an old addage... Two wrongs don't make a right, and anothers wrongdoing doesn't justify ones own. What I am saying is that really your point isn't a point, really, and it tends to lend more weight to the arguments that I, and others, here are making, rather than the other way around.. Or am I misunderstanding you and that is what you intend? 'Remember, measure life by the moments that take your breath away, not by how many breaths you take' Extreme Sports Cafe | ESC's blog | scratt's blog | @thescratt |
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I do like MSI's 1990's-style Aiwa mini-system style PC with the AM/FM tuner but it definitely has a "Cheesy" factor going on with the funkadelic 90's style LCD display. LoL I almost want one though for the fact it's that ridiculous looking. LoL At least it's got "some" style compared to Shuttle's offering which is just flat out dull. http://www.msicomputer.com/pressrelease/MEGAPC.asp But yeah, "small" PC's are hardly new, but a "sliver" of a Cube is still pretty noteworthy. Marcus Mackey mmackey27@comcast.net |
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I'm happy they tracked down this knucklehead. Sounds like this guy still has the mental compacity of a 13 year old.
Nick put Apple in this position. I think it's irrational to give Apple a hard time for this. They have to take action at some point to curb this behavior. In this marketplace Apple has to protect their ideas and intellectual material. Not to mention the fact that Apple is a PUBLICLY TRADED STOCK. This sort of crap can be devasting to a corporation financialy. Honestly, if I could donate cash to Apple Legal fund I would be more than happy to do so. Apple lawers have plenty of things to deal with rather than to waste their time with this brat. |
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1) I'm 13. The "mental compacity of a 13 year old is kind of insulting, don't you think? (by the way-you have the spelling capacity of an eight year old)
2) He is gathering rumors about Apple and displaying them in one place. He is helping the Mac Community. I personally think his writing and reporting skills are great. Though I usually side with Apple, this time I am going to side with the defense. If I had the money, I'd help Nick's Legal team. What's the difference between a Democrat and a bucket of crap? The bucket. |
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It's funny that both the White House and Apple are willing to threaten a reporter with jail to force them into revealing their sources.
What they really want is the leak source, not the publisher. Let's imagine for a moment that the publication High Times has a best plants photo contest. Then imagine the Department Of Justice threatening High Times editors with jail time if they did not reveal the sources of those photos. This is why the press is protected from revealing their sources. Nick's forum did not openly encourage any illegal activity. In fact, If you read the entire contents of the ThinkSecret Terms of Use from the home page, it clearly states that ThinkSecret will not be liable for any illegal activity by it's members. Last edited by FallenFromTheTree : 2005-01-14 at 20:37. |
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Adam -
Oops. You are right. You get an A+. My spelling was a bit off, wasn't it. Funny, the "little red dotted lines" I rely on for spellcheck were turned off for some reason. See what happens when you rely on technology. I was typing with my daughter on my lap wiggling around trying to see Elmo in the other browser window. I'm sorry if I offended you. Honestly. Free speech is one thing, but to inflict material damage on people in the name of free speech should be unacceptable, don't you think? This guy does it over and over. Cheers. |
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