Thunderbolt, fuck yeah!
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I'm using it right now and I quite like it. One nice thing is they've really made efficient use of the screen space. Both the top AND the bottom toolbars are smaller than in Firefox... in fact, there is no bottom toolbar. But unlike Safari, which has the bottom toolbar off by default to save space but sacrifices the ability to see the web address you'll go to when you mouse over a link, Chrome puts up a little tooltip along the bottom revealing the URL, and it disappears as soon as you move the mouse. There's much more efficient use of space at the top as well. The tab bar and title bar are in the same vertical space, and the menu options no longer occupy their own bar but rather they are located within buttons on the right side.
I'm sure some interface Nazi will go in and critique every little thing, but I like it. Oh, and it supports resizable text entry boxes like Safari. Nice feature that Firefox doesn't have! |
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After using for half an hour, I like it a lot. Much faster than FF3, and Safari. At first it seemed a little sluggish, but that seems to have gone now. I also like the screen usage, but I'm using a 1680x1050 res so I've already got a lot to work with.
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FYI, I'm currently on a 19" LCD, 1280x1024, here at work, so screen space is at a bit more of a premium than at home (20" LCD, 1680x1050).
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One annoying thing I'm discovering is the apparent inability to change search providers. Well, you can change the default search engine, but I have no idea how to do a search using anything other than the default. I'm used to Firefox letting me use ctrl-uparrow and ctrl-downarrow to change searches when the search field is selected.
This is important to me because at work I often have to look up things on Dictionary.com to determine syllable breaks. I can still click on Dictionary.com and search, but it's not as convenient. |
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Yeah but have you read the Licence. This seems very un-Google like.
From the Chrome ELUA: 11.1 You retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services. By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services. This license is for the sole purpose of enabling Google to display, distribute and promote the Services and may be revoked for certain Services as defined in the Additional Terms of those Services. |
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Can someone explain to me why having tabs on top is "teh bettah"? I can't for the life of me see why it would matter. In fact, they just look untidy....
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Is it also displayed when you sign up or just buried under the ream of EULA? If former, then do it at your own risk. |
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One thing it does is it allows the tabs to occupy the same horizontal bar as the window controls, so it takes less space. It also emphasizes that the location bar and all the other controls are tab-specific only, not application-specific.
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It is by far the snappiest browser on my Delly at work.
The colors are terrible, but I like the general lay-out, the way it processes text in the single text field, and the way it hides the ad that always appears in others browsers when I want to read an article on USA Today. I suppose it may become skinnable when out of beta, or at least have color alternatives (grey!!!) Quote:
One of Chrome's USPs is that it runs relatively smooth and crash free because since each tab is sandboxed, it doesn't have to wait for another tab to release the focus of the browser's central routines and if the page in a tab crashes, the rest of the tabs don't. |
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Thunderbolt, fuck yeah!
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7597699.stm According to the article, they had the same issue with the EULA for Google Docs last year. And I seem to recall that Adobe had a similar issue with Photoshop Express, their online picture editing thing. I believe all have been amended to be a bit less draconian. Dave. |
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I'm also torn on V8. Why couldn't they have just used SquirrelFish? I suppose the good news is now that we have three new JavaScript engines, competition will continue to heat up. I love that they went with WebKit. If Chrome surpasses Firefox, or maybe, in the long run, IE, then Safari users reap all the benefits. Not to mention its the right choice from a purely technical standpoint - WebKit is faster and more accurate than Gecko. On a pseudo-sidenote, it continually amazes me how much innovation there is in the browser space that 75% of the population never gets to experience. Damn IE. Logic, logic, logic. Logic is the beginning of wisdom, Valeris, not the end. |
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Thunderbolt, fuck yeah!
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Do we think that there is going to be Google Chrome Mac, or will it carry a different name and will use the "Chromium" engine?
I'm leaning towards different name, and different UI. Still streamlined and minimalist, but here's the thing: Chrome on PC doesn't stick to any PC conventions. Look at Firefox: it nicely plays along with whatever visual theme you have installed. It's the closest thing Windows has to a "good Windows citizen." You could argue this is good (consistent) or bad (Windows' UI is polished turd.) On the other hand, Chrome, from the screenshots I've seen, makes it's own design paradigms. This flies on Windows because basically every program, for better or worse, defines it's own style. That's simply not now things are done over on the Mac side of things. Not when we have the awesomeness that is Cocoa. Especially considering they've nabbed Camino developers, I think it's pretty obvious where this is going: Cocoa Chromium. That means it won't be called Chrome, in all likelihood. So, the main question becomes: will the announced but not yet implemented extension API work on both Chrome and Cocoa Chromium? I'd certainly hope so, because without 100% compatibility with Chrome, Cocoa Chromium is probably destined to languish in obscurity, just like Camino. Logic, logic, logic. Logic is the beginning of wisdom, Valeris, not the end. |
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Seeing as we have ie, Firefox etc for both Mac and Windows, why not Chrome.
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Firefox, Opera, and Safari all pretty much have feature and UI parity across platforms, but none of them fit in well on all platforms. Firefox fits with Windows and Linux, but not on Mac OS X. Safari fits in on Mac OS X, but not really on Windows. Opera fits... well... somewhere? Windows? Maybe? The Windows version of Google Chrome is a bit of an odd duck. It looks like it will fit in fine on Windows since, as Kraetos said, everything looks and behaves a little differently on Windows, but as I quoted above, Mike Pinkerton wants "to build a first-rate, native Mac product for Chromium". This would mean making an interface that feels native and hooks into system libraries (Keychain, spell checking, etc.) that aren't available on other platforms. This would mean that the Mac version would likely not have the same feature set as the Windows version, adding and subtracting features in different areas. Might it be drastically different or only slightly so? Nobody really knows yet. Take a look at Pinkerton's other big project (Camino) for ideas about how this may play out. Camino is in many ways "Firefox done the Mac way". It uses the same Gecko engine that powers Firefox, but it completely eschews Firefox's alien-looking XUL framework (meaning no extensions) and adds OS-integration features and a native UI that Firefox badly lacks. This is the direction that I hope Pinkerton drives the Mac version of Chrome, whatever they decide to call it. The quality of this board depends on the quality of the posts. The only way to guarantee thoughtful, informative discussion is to write thoughtful, informative posts. AppleNova is not a real-time chat forum. You have time to compose messages and edit them before and after posting. |
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Since Camino doesn't support things like extensions, it isn't really Firefox - just another browser using Gecko. OmniWeb isn't Safari done some other way either. If Chrome becomes too integrated on the Mac, it's no longer Chrome. Chrome is more than welcome to use Keychain (if they feel it's secure enough), spellchecker and other things, but the UI has to be Chrome - it's a major part of Chrome that it looks the way it does. - No matter where you go, there you are. |
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On Windows, Firefox trumps IE on security and usability, advantages it doesn't have compared against Safari. So the reason to use Firefox on the Mac is because you want to use the extensions. Camino doesn't have the ability to use Firefox's extensions since it would come at the expense of Cocoa. Which brings me back around to my next point: One would hope that Cocoa Chromium keeps all the features that Chrome has, or we might just have another Camino on our hands. In fairness, Chromium is light-years ahead of Gecko, so even if there isn't feature parity, Cocoa Chromium might still kick ass. Still, I'd hate to go back to the days of IE 5 when we had a dominant browser on Windows with a Mac version lagging behind. Logic, logic, logic. Logic is the beginning of wisdom, Valeris, not the end. |
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Also, there are a few things Camino does UI/feature-wise that spank Safari. The way Camino handles bad SSL certificates and that Camino prompts instead of silently resubmitting HTTP Auth in new sessions are two big reasons I use mostly Camino at my day job instead of Safari. Flash-blocking and ad-blocking out of the box also kick ass. Sure, Apple will probably never include ad-blocking, but Flash-blocking would be nice and not entirely unreasonable since Apple already "blocks" Flash on the iPhone. Oh, and Camino has separate stop and reload buttons! There's more still, but I think you get the message. And yet I still use Safari as my casual browser because I prefer WebKit for day-to-day use. Quote:
The Camino analogy has been stretched beyond its original intent of showing how a cross-platform engine can be implemented in such a way as to hook into native services and UI. Yes, Camino lacks extensions, but that's beside the point. Perhaps OmniWeb would make a good new analogy? The quality of this board depends on the quality of the posts. The only way to guarantee thoughtful, informative discussion is to write thoughtful, informative posts. AppleNova is not a real-time chat forum. You have time to compose messages and edit them before and after posting. |
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I'm well aware of the hypothetical scenario in which you hit Stop just as the page finishes loading, thus in fact triggering Reload instead; mpt mentioned this years ago. Yet, in all these years of mainly using Safari, I've never actually run into that. Nor have I heard anyone complain that this behavior bugs them.
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I remember myself and several others complaining about this back when Safari was introduced. I figure most people who were bothered by it got used to working around it like I did and just gave up. Bigger fish to fry. It looks like Google Chrome has a smart take with its combined stop/go button, which actually makes a bit more sense than combining stop/reload, IMO. In Chrome, the state of the button doesn't change from stop to go if your mouse is over it when the page finishes loading. This is a huge step in the right direction to prevent misclicks. The quality of this board depends on the quality of the posts. The only way to guarantee thoughtful, informative discussion is to write thoughtful, informative posts. AppleNova is not a real-time chat forum. You have time to compose messages and edit them before and after posting. |
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I've begun to use Chrome exclusively when I'm in the PC environment. Much better than Firefox. I've never liked Firefox (gasp!), it strikes me as heavy and clumsy. Chrome is anything but.
Depending on the quality of the Mac port, it will probably replace Safari as my main browser. Until Safari 4, unless V8 gets faster than SquirrelFish or they switch Chrome to SquirrelFish. Man, browsers are sure moving fast these days. I love it Logic, logic, logic. Logic is the beginning of wisdom, Valeris, not the end. |
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