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2021-08-05, 02:56

Yeah. (Though even 500 nits doesn't compete too great against sunlight. The Apple Watch has 1,000 nits for a reason…)
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2021-08-05, 11:03

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Ah, wrong way to compare brightness. Do the same test outside on a sunny day, you'll notice.
Hmmm. Hadn't thought about that.
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2021-08-05, 13:28

So my son decided to take Mrs T's 2019 MBP and now Mrs T wants her TouchBar. First person I've heard actually want it. She does so I guess I know what I'm going to have to buy now.

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2021-10-05, 11:40

Time to get this page going again.

Macrumors published an Anandtech link that demonstrates the performance improvements of the A15. Apple claimed the A15 was 50% faster than the competition, and Anandtech called them out for "lying" (my word, not theirs). It turns out the A15 is actually 62% faster, not 50%. And the new GPU is "absolutely astonishing", and that is a quote!

Double system cache (same size as M1)
50% more L2 cache
Better power efficiency
New CPU microarchitectures

Downside: More throttling, but apparently the danged thing is so fast even when throttled that it crushes the competition!

I'm super excited for the M1X / M2X or whatever Apple calls the thing we all know is coming in a few weeks.

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2021-10-05, 12:35

This may prove to be the best thing Apple has ever done, rolling their own.

They pretty much already stood alone (at least in the consumer/mainstream arena) when it came to the hardware + OS/apps part, but they still had to rely on others for the underlying muscle/function.

Supply shortages/constraints aside (and they won't last forever), they are now firmly in the driver's seat, across the board...their hardware, running their OS/apps and now powered by their guts/processors. Can you imagine the position that puts them in, to where they have full control to tweak/optimize those three things for maximum impact?

I'd say that puts the platform in a damn good place for some time to come.

I love that they're doing this. I wasn't sure I'd ever see it happen, but it's awesome that I am.

What other outfit - normal, affordable mainstream ones (I'm not talking $19,000 custom, specialized server/enterprise shit that nobody's going to buy/receive for Christmas ) - can say this? I can't think of any. All the others are a box from this company, running an OS from that company, with processors/graphics from yet another company. No comparison between that and what Apple should be able to accomplish in the years to come, with all those things under their thumb/roof.

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2021-10-05, 14:13

Yes, it's a given that Apple's M-chip year-over-year performance will be spectacular, for the first half-decade at least.

And I'm sure the M1X will be exciting to watch. Looking forward to the bigger iMac, whenever it arrives.


But what I really want - when the M1X is out - is a real simulation from Ars or Anandtech of what it would take for Apple to equal the performance of the Xbox Series S and PS5 in an Apple TV. It simply has to be possible, in a much smaller, cheaper package than those two others.

I imagine that Apple can equal the Nintendo Switch with current A-chip tech right now.
Given the rate of annual improvement and the possibility of adding cores as they please, it can't be that far off.
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I imagine that Apple can equal the Nintendo Switch with current A-chip tech right now
Heh. The CPU in the Switch is roughly on par with that of an iPhone 5s at single-core tasks, although it beats both the 5s and 6 at multi-core tasks.

The GPU fares better, but… the Switch isn’t going to win any awards for performance, nor does it seek to.
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2021-10-05, 16:51

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Heh. The CPU in the Switch is roughly on par with that of an iPhone 5s at single-core tasks, although it beats both the 5s and 6 at multi-core tasks.

The GPU fares better, but… the Switch isn’t going to win any awards for performance, nor does it seek to.
Why on Earth hasn't someone bought Nintendo and discontinued the hardware already?

If you're terrific at characters and world building and just passable in developing hardware, why not just be a game studio?
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Why on Earth hasn't someone bought Nintendo and discontinued the hardware already?

If you're terrific at characters and world building and just passable in developing hardware, why not just be a game studio?
Because performance isn’t everything. I’ve never owned a Nintendo product, but I think their strategy is a winning one. It’s not about splashier graphics, it’s about gameplay. I’ve found that many AAA titles from the past decade are really the same concept washed over and over, and if anything, the recent tech just distracts from what could be a good game (but now there’s no budget left to accomplish that). In contrast, Mario Kart Live: Home Circuit is relatively low-spec but a great concept.

This arguably mirrors a Steve Jobs sentiment as well: you’ve got to start with the user experience, not the technology.

All that said: it’s frustrating that their 2021 OLED model still has the same hardware. It’s getting quite long in the tooth now.

Why not be a game studio? Well, for starters, that’s not a lucrative market unless you’re willing to screw kids over using consumable IAPs. And second, much like Apple, doing the hardware platform gives them control.

Like, literally, this is a lot like Apple of ol’: the hardware doesn’t win any spec contests and is hated by those who care about that, but the software and hardware package that’s the most joy to use.

But Apple has found a way, more or less by accident, to change even that part of the equation.
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2021-10-05, 17:28

Our family are longtime - and still - Wii users.
(I cannot upgrade the Wii as my father's entire circle of friends still compete in Wii Golf tournaments regularly.)

I understand that Nintendo refuses to get into a spec war, but I don't think it's the same as Apple's game.

If Apple ever went as long as Nintendo without upgrading hardware, there would be riots inside Apple Stores. When an Apple machine goes three years without an update, there's no shortage of Mac news site reviews and buyer's guides telling you not to buy it. If a Switch is really iPhone 5-era tech, that's even worse than I thought.

It's fine to put experience over specs - a la Apple - but definitely not cool to be so many generations behind technologically.
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I understand that Nintendo refuses to get into a spec war, but I don't think it's the same as Apple's game.

If Apple ever went as long as Nintendo without upgrading hardware, there would be riots inside Apple Stores.
Sure.

It all depends on the application.

Like, if the Mac were a machine focused on word processing and spreadsheets (like the Canon Cat from one of the original Macintosh folks, say), you could make the argument that it would do OK if it had the specs of a ca-2010 machine today.

But it doesn't; it has the demands of a broad array of applications, from web browsing to spreadsheets all the way to software development and video production and, for some particularly adventurous people, even games. And as long as we're still in an era where some of those (not exactly spreadsheets) continue to use the latest and greatest specs, well, people will demand that the Mac follow that path.

But for gaming consoles, there's sort of a bifurcation. There's games like Breath of the Wild that could look a bit better with newer specs, sure, but would they be significantly more fun to play? And then there's games that are indeed demanding of high specs, such as VR games.

I.e., I think Nintendo can afford to be a bit of a laggard here, and they know it. As a bonus, they don't just get high margins, but also very reliable, battle-tested chips rather than the latest and greatest which may have flaws and may not be available in massive quantities.

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When an Apple machine goes three years without an update, there's no shortage of Mac news site reviews and buyer's guides telling you not to buy it. If a Switch is really iPhone 5-era tech, that's even worse than I thought.
Yeah.

(I checked, and it is indeed more favorable for the GPU. It comes close to the specs of the A10, i.e. the iPhone 7.)

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It's fine to put experience over specs - a la Apple - but definitely not cool to be so many generations behind technologically.
I guess in practice, I never really hear about Switch users who feel "boy, that game looks outdated and/or ugly". Which I suppose is a self-selecting bias: if they feel that way, they don't get a Switch.
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