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Uh oh. I just noticed I've gone from "interesting, looks to be nicely engineered, I wonder if it will sell well?" to mentally picking one out. Either Space black stainless steel with the black leather band or stainless steel with the brown "modern buckle" leather.
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That's funny, because for the first time since Tuesday, I actually spent time at the Apple Watch section tonight, reading and looking at everything. I still have no interest, and it would't really do much for me, but I did indeed play "okay, if I had to get one, which would it be..." earlier (if, say, someone threw $400 at me and said "you have to get an Apple Watch or we're going to shoot you in the face..." or something), then I decided that the silver aluminum sport one was my favorite body style, even though I'm not a sporty guy, and wouldn't use it to track my (nonexistent) runs.
And I guess I'd get the black sport band for it? Or maybe the white one? Basically just something that looked vaguely Apple-ish (like a MacBook Air, iPad or iPhone (matte silver with black or white accent). I don't like glossy, shiny metal, leather bands or all those chain-looking metal ones, so the stainless steel line is out (I don't wear a watch, never have, so I have no particular fondness or loyalty to any of the traditional "watch-y" looks or styles). And the gold is a definite no-go. The sport line is the only one that even remotely appeals to me, after looking over everything tonight. |
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I'm picturing you at the Apple Store..... "Well, I guess it wouldn't hurt to try one one....wow, that's really.....nice. Really, really nice... (beads of sweat form on your brow).... I could always return it......"
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Ha...nah, I don't think that's any sort of risk for me. The biggest thing is the fact that I just can't stand wearing anything like that on me (any sort of watch, rings, necklace, etc.). I just never have. So that would be the biggest barrier/hurdle, just me wanting to even wear something like that (regardless of the maker or design).
I wore a $19 Timex from Target about 20 years ago, for about 3-6 months. And I wore my wedding band when I was married, of course. But in 45 years, that's been it. I just hate stuff on me like that. |
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Yeah, I sort of have that. I can barely stand to wear long sleeve shirts, and then only with the sleeves rolled up. I have no idea how people do the suit and tie thing. When I can't avoid it it makes me feel nuts.
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The way Apple has been presenting the watches certainly falls in line with their Good, Better, Best strategy as well, so I have to believe that if they are putting the Apple Watch Sport consistently in the middle, that it costs more than the Apple Watch. I'm not convinced the bands are even included in the base price. |
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Ditto. Going to be interesting getting use to a watch.... because I am definitely getting one.
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I'm guessing that the Apple Watch Sport will set me back close to $500, band included. "We are reviewing some 9,000 recent UNHCR referrals from Syria. We are receiving roughly a thousand new ones each month, and we expect admissions from Syria to surge in 2015 and beyond." - Anne C. Richard, Assistant Secretary, Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration |
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I'm not quite sure if this is possible for a number of reasons: 1) The Apple inducer looks kinda bulky. Yet all it takes is a magnetic coil which could in theory be very thin, so maybe a third party inducer could be made to be worn under the watch? 2) Maybe the inducer would need to be placed in such a manner that it can't avoid blocking the LED sensors? 3) Maybe the Watch will enter a special charging mode when receiving power, thus rendering it fully or partly un-usable while charging? 4) Maybe the inducer will trigger Pays security measures? 5) Maybe Apple will take issue with such a device and try to hinder it's use? If none of those point turn out to be true, then I would love such a band. And to hell with being fashionable! Also, do you guys think that the 42 mm model might have a better battery life seeing how it has more internal capacity? The screen is as far as I understand the only other electrical component that is scaled up. Quote:
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It's nice that they found the lightweight/sport angle, which saves them from having to say "this is the cheap model!" but it is pretty transparently an entry level model made from cheaper materials, only available with the cheaper bands, coming in 5C-esque youthful colors, &c. The sport band, which is the only one available in all the "collections" and is made from a please-don't-call-it-plastic material instead of leather or steel…? I feel like maybe you're starting with an incorrect assumption — the Apple Watch Sport has to be more expensive than the Apple Watch, because reasons — and that's what's making you confused when the truth of the line-up just seems so obvious to me. Just look at the products. Look at the colors, and the language that Apple is using to describe the different collections, look at how much virtual ink they spill on the stainless steel and the sapphire crystal display and then on the Apple Watch Sport they're just like, well, it's lighter! The Sport being the entry level really could not be clearer to me. But again, we'll just have to agree to disagree (because I sure as hell aren't going to change your mind). and i guess i've known it all along / the truth is, you have to be soft to be strong Last edited by Robo : 2014-09-12 at 13:31. |
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So if the sapphire screen is supposed to be the second strongest transparent materal, why would the sports watch use plastic and the other versions use sapphire?
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Because (1) while sapphire is extraordinarily hard, i.e. it doesn’t scratch, it’s also quite brittle and easier to shatter than toughened glass (none of them use plastic), and (2) Sport is a synonym for entry-level here, as Robo explained.
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High-end gold Apple Watch could cost $1,200?
I know that pales in comparison to what people pay for traditional high-end or luxury watches, but still...day-ummm. Someone will pay that, of course (assuming it's true). I have zero doubt. |
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That would be insanity, and people would literally laugh Apple off of the smartwatch totem. Nobody would even consider an aWatch after seeing how utterly crass Apple has become. It's like Apple said "fuck you, we're Apple, plebs" and then jumped in a hovercar and sped off.
If Tim Cook thinks his first foray into "one more thing" entails a grand-and-a-half golden watch, and he expects it to sell like hotcakes... So it goes. |
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Now, that doesn't mean Apple is going to take over the middling premium watch segment. Watch ownership is an old school thing, with a lot of intangibles having to do with the perception of elegance and quality and what it says about you. But look at Tesla. They're selling to people who might be expected to be cross shopping Jaguar and Mercedes and the like, with a decidedly futuristic, possibly even "sterile" car. But the upsides are so compelling that they can sell all they can make, with waiting lists. It's not the smart watch totem that they're looking at, any more than Tesla was looking to compete with other electric cars. They wanted to make a great car, period. I think Apple wants this to be a great watch. The one thing I wonder about is the fact that the internals are no different than the cheapest one they make. In mechanical watch land, going up the price ladder gets you nicer mechanisms. It would be helpful if Apple could add premium features to the Edition, to further differentiate it from those sweaty Sports people. That which doesn't kill you weakens you slightly and makes you less able to cope until you're completely incapacitated |
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709: I don't think Apple cares about the smartwatch totem (is there such a thing?). I think they care about watches, period, and what watches could be. They never used the term smartwatch. "Smartwatch" sounds geeky, like a Casio Data Bank. This is about the intersection of technology and fashion, because that's the only way a smarter watch is ever going to be desirable to any but the most Linuxy of neckbeards. That's why they didn't call it the iWatch. iWatch sounds like a techy gadget, and Apple wanted to make something that wasn't "just" a techy gadget. Every time Apple makes a device that's further on the continuum away from a traditional PC, the same criticisms pop up. It's dismissed as a toy, every time. It's not important or disruptive until suddenly it is, until suddenly we can't imagine living without it. I'm not saying I'm convinced the Apple Watch will be the next iPhone. Nothing is — the only product that's as profitable as the iPhone is, like, oil. But I'm not going to dismiss it. I think Apple views it as the next step on that continuum, away from traditional PCs and toward more personal, intimate technology. and i guess i've known it all along / the truth is, you have to be soft to be strong |
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Elastomer means rubbery, stretchy plastic. Fluoroelastomer just seems to be a specific class of plastics that is particularly inert when exposed to other chemicals.
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I agree that the Apple Watch model is the showpiece model. It's the one that they revealed in the Reveal film. However, it also seems like a pretty shitty move to highlight the beautiful stainless steel model with sapphire glass, and say the watches will start at $349... and that iconic model not be the one you can get for that price. I suspect Apple will charge more for the Sport for reasons that remain to be shared. Perhaps it will be waterproof, hence the one photo of that watch in water, and no photos of the other watches in water. Maybe it will have more sport specific features. Who knows? |
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Why spend money on a band when replacing your Apple Watch if you already spent money on a beautiful band when you bought your first Apple Watch? |
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Oh wait. The other way happened. The Watch is getting attention from *watch people*, not just tech people. Can't say I've ever seen that before in a smart watch. Apple isn't going for the Moto360 crowd here. They're going for the Prada / Rolex crowd. $1200 is a pittance in those circles for a wrist device. |
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It'll be interesting to see a) how many new companies spring up, solely to manufacture/sell Apple Watch bands, and b) how many of the existing case companies (Marware, Speck, Incase, Otterbox, etc.) will expand into the band-selling business. I doubt any of them are tooling up right now, but in a year or so if this seems like it may take off and be something, that could be an "iPhone case" type of business. As with the iPhone (and iPod) cases, Apple simply won't be able to provide all the colors, materials, styles imaginable to appeal to every customer. As long as Apple provides the specs/approval (and has the little "Made for Apple Watch" logo on this stuff), this could be a wide open market to get into.
You know you're gonna have all your hemp and hippie bead guys making funky, colorful stuff. The sports bands will come in snazzy colors (contrasting colors/patterns) and designs, you'll get your chunky, extra-tough "manly man" bands from people like Otterbox, etc. And just because it's a watch, it doesn't mean it has to follow any sort of understated, "classic timepiece" route either...if some company wanted to make bands with college football team colors/branding, you know there would be people buying it. If it's not a standard, typical watch (and it isn't), then you also have to allow that all the standard, typical trimmings and approaches don't automatically have to apply either (they can, of course, for those who choose). But if someone wants to have a Florida Gators or camouflage Apple Watch band...let 'em. What do you care? Goodness knows there are plenty of silly-ass, "why?!" iPhone cases out in the world. But there are also some cool, clever and stylish ones that Apple has never provided. This watch shouldn't be exempt. If this is truly to be such a "personal" device, that's going to be a big part of it...third-party bands in colors/styles that Apple could never get around to making. Last edited by psmith2.0 : 2014-09-13 at 14:18. |
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It would be one mean thing to mention at the last minute, and it would explain the seeming inconsistency you see in the order of the Watches and their prices. Personally I think the Sport model will be cheapest, but the above scenario isn’t beyond the bounds of possibility. … engrossed in such factional acts as dreaming different dreams. |
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And your band could come with a link for getting the matching face. The hemp band could have a dial where it's always 4:20.
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